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Deze woensdag bezoekt NAVO-baas Mark Rutte het Witte Huis met een duidelijk doel: Trump ervan overtuigen niet uit de NAVO te stappen. Dat vraagt meer diplomatieke lenigheid dan ooit, ziet redacteur Michel Kerres. Maar wat als Rutte faalt?

Gast: Michel Kerres

Presentatie: Bram Endedijk

Redactie: Yara van Heugten, David Weel en Esmee Dirks

Montage: Marcel Korfage

Eindredactie: Nina van Hattum

Coördinatie: Ilse Eshuis

Productie: Rhea Stroink

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