S4E155: Cards Against OCD: Ho-Ho-Holiday Edition

Summary

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OCD Family Podcast – S4E155: Cards Against OCD: Ho-Ho-Holiday Edition

Host: Nicole Morris, LMFT
Guests: Tracy Ibrahim (“Taboo Tracy”), Krista Reed, LSCSW, and Madison (@ObsessivelyStrong)
Date: December 8, 2025

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Episode Overview

This special holiday episode brings together Nicole Morris and three vibrant guests—Tracy, Krista, and Madison—for a festive and irreverent game of "Cards Against OCD," a mental health and OCD-themed version of Cards Against Humanity. The game serves as both entertainment and education, using humor to break down stigma and openly discuss taboo topics related to OCD, exposure therapy, intrusive thoughts, and OCD recovery. The conversation also gives listeners tips for navigating the holidays as part of the OCD or mental health community.

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Key Discussion Points and Highlights

1. Setting the Tone: Humor & Taboo in OCD (00:29 – 09:45)

• Trigger Warning & Community Mission: Nicole reminds listeners the episode will touch on various OCD themes, taboo topics, adult language, and possible emetophobia triggers. Her aim: to foster a supportive, judgment-free space for families and chosen families of those with OCD.
  • Nicole: "OCD is all about rules and distress and saying, you can't talk about this, you can't say that, it's so bossy. But good response prevention means we don’t follow OCD's rules, we follow our own value driven ones." (02:20)
• Game Format: The group uses a custom Google Form to submit answers to humorous OCD-related prompts, inspired by Cards Against Humanity, with each round judged anonymously. Chat GPT generated some of the game’s wildcard prompts.

2. Game On: Holiday "Cards Against OCD"—Memorable Rounds & Banter

Round 1: “My therapist said I couldn’t ___, so naturally I did it three times.” (10:17)

• Answers ranged from “stick an entire banana in my mouth,” “check,” and “use Dr. Google.” Nicole chooses “use Dr. Google,” tying it to pervasive OCD compulsions for reassurance-seeking.
  • Nicole: “My clients and sometimes others that shall not be named use Dr. Google, so I feel like that one hits me in the heartstrings.” (11:11)

Round 2: “ERP because exposure to ___ builds character.” (12:40)

• Options include “vomit,” “public restrooms,” and “disgust-based triggers,” sparking empathetic laughter about the realities of ERP (Exposure Response Prevention) and triggers.
  • Krista: “Public bathrooms have my disgust-based triggers inside of them.” (15:13)

Round 3: “Nothing ruins a dinner party faster than bringing up ___.” (16:12)

• Humorous, edgy responses: “intrusive sexual images of my father,” “vaginal smells,” “EMDR.”
  • Krista: "If I were to ever bring [up vaginal smells] around the holidays, I would be kicked out faster than a redheaded stepchild. And I am already that." (18:17)

Round 4: “I didn’t plan to confess ___ in session, but here we are.” (20:59)

• The group laughs over surprising confessions, including “how attractive Jesus is—his abs are ripped,” “attraction towards my therapist," and “I believe hot dogs are a sandwich.”
  • Tracy: “As a strong believer that hot dogs are not a sandwich...I might cancel that person's next appointment.” (23:30)

Round 5: “OCD said don’t do ___, I said bet.” (28:39)

• The hosts banter about the rebelliousness sometimes required to confront OCD, with playful answers like “murder” (hot dog murder), “hot dogs are sandwiches,” and “pour milk first, then cereal.”
  • Madison: "Why would I pick something that goes against my values of a hot dog sandwich?" (30:11)

Round 6: “The only thing more exhausting than obsessions is ___.” (32:58)

• Tongue-in-cheek responses include “waiting for IOCDF proposal decisions,” “current political climate,” and “more than three phallic-shaped machetes coming at me.”
  • Nicole: “The only thing more exhausting than obsessions is waiting for IOCDF proposal exceptions.” (34:27)

Continuing Banter: Hot Dog as Sandwich Debate (24:28, 25:08, 42:41)

• Extended, recurring debate: Is a hot dog a sandwich?
  • Nicole: “A hot dog, it’s a hot dog.” (24:40)
  • Madison: "So a hot dog's a sandwich?" (24:56)
  • Tracy: “If you make a hoagie, do you call it a hot dog?” (25:02)

OCD Recovery Starter Pack & Taboo Intrusive Thoughts (41:19, 43:04)

• “OCD Recovery Starter Pack: ERP, SSRIs, and ___” evokes both seriousness and joke responses: “being unbothered by taboo intrusive thoughts,” “a hike in the wilderness with Dr. Gray,” “Taco Tuesday.”
  • Krista: “Being unbothered by taboo intrusive thoughts...that's literally where you want to get.” (43:24)
  • Madison: “If only it could really be a part of the starter pack.” (45:05)

Final Rounds: Blending Surreal with Relatable

• From “If I avoid this one thing, I’ll definitely prevent ___” (herpes, hot dogs with ketchup, poop germs death), to “Intrusive thoughts are like ___ but spicier” (The Exorcist vomit scene, sweet pickle juice, walking down the street & blowing up a stadium full of sandwiches).

Notable Absurd, Edgy, and Endearing Quotes:

• Tracy: “I will say as a strong believer that hot dogs are NOT a sandwich...I might cancel that person’s next appointment.” (23:30)
• Nicole: “You’ll hear us reference [Google Form] a little bit as we dive in...make sure you stick through the end...they also left the fam here with their holiday tip of the season.” (06:09)
• Madison: “I like to have my cereal and have milk on the side. I don’t like soggy cereal.” (30:39)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Rule Breaking for Recovery:
  “Good response prevention means that we don’t follow OCD’s rules, we follow our own value-driven ones.” —Nicole (02:37)

• Debunking OCD Taboos Together:
  "It is important to talk about [taboo topics] in a non-judgmental fashion and help people feel more comfortable." —Tracy (64:02)

• On the Challenging Holidays:
  “If you are feeling forced or pressured to celebrate a holiday a particular way and it doesn’t feel like it fits you…start your own traditions.” —Krista (63:11)

• Navigating Difficult Family Gatherings:
  “…if your family doesn’t kind of understand your diagnosis…know that that doesn’t mean anything about you. That means more about their maybe inability to learn…” —Madison (67:11)

• Holiday Encouragement:
  “Honor what you’re feeling...grief itself doesn’t define you. Look around, and if you don’t see anybody in that trench, reach out for help...you are not alone.” —Nicole (69:04)

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Important Timestamps for Key Segments

• [01:51] – Introduction and game explanation
• [10:17] – Game begins: “My therapist said I couldn’t ___, so naturally I did it three times.”
• [13:16] – “ERP because exposure to ___ builds character.”
• [16:12] – “Nothing ruins a dinner party faster than bringing up ___.”
• [20:59] – “I didn’t plan to confess ___ in session, but here we are.”
• [28:39] – “OCD said don’t do ___, I said bet.”
• [32:58] – “The only thing more exhausting than obsessions is ___.”
• [41:19] – OCD recovery starter pack prompt
• [62:17] – Closing: Guest plugs, holiday survival tips, and affirmations

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Closing Section: Where to Find the Guests & Holiday Tips (62:17–end)

Krista (@christaruthreed / readocd.com):

• Encourages listeners to “find your own traditions,” especially if pressured to celebrate in ways that don’t fit your needs or values.
• “It doesn’t matter how old you are. It's never too early to start a tradition.” (63:11)

Tracy (@tabootracy / SPFtherapy.com):

• Reminds listeners that holidays don’t need to be elaborate and that it’s okay to celebrate with just one other person or in your own unique way.
• "It doesn't have to be crazy or like, feel like, oh my gosh, I didn't have a whole thing. Don't worry about it." (66:31)

Madison (@obsessivelystrong):

• Offers validation for those from families who don’t understand or acknowledge OCD: "Give yourself a lot of grace before you go...What are we gonna do that's gonna brighten or lift you up after you leave a space that maybe doesn't feel super, super positive." (67:11)

Final Encouragement from Nicole:

• On social comparison and grief during the holidays: “Honor what you’re feeling. …if you don’t see anybody in that trench, reach out for help. …you are not alone. There are thrice people out there, times however many, ready to join you.” (69:04–71:11)

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Tone and Takeaway

The episode’s playful, irreverent, and deeply empathetic tone serves to normalize taboo thoughts and rituals central to OCD, using humor and candidness to chip away at stigma. The warmth and camaraderie between the guests—and their willingness to "go there" with the silliest and most uncomfortable topics—make for a supportive virtual family gathering for anyone affected by OCD during the holidays.

"Perfection isn’t the goal, honey…wherever you’re at, if you’re kind of feeling sad and in your feels, honor it. Grief itself doesn’t define you." —Nicole (70:44)

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This episode is rich in laughter, frank community, and practical support—a must-listen for those navigating OCD, mental health, and the holiday season.

Transcript

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[A]

Welcome back to the OCD Family Podcast and it's time for a Ho Ho holiday extravaganza because today I have three fabulous guests with me. I have Tracy Ibrahim. You might know her as Taboo Tracy. I have the lovely Krista Reed, L S C S W and I have my Boo Madison at Obsessively strong D Silvio Here to play play some holiday games.

[B]

I'm Nicole Morris, licensed marriage and family therapist and mental health correspondent. And let me be the first to say welcome to the family. The OCD family that is. I am here to create a community of support for family members, spouses, partners, parents, adult children, as there may be adult words and chosen family of OCD sufferers and their community. I've had over 22 years of experience in the mental health field, but please please note that this information does not qualify or substitute as a diagnostic evaluation, therapy or treatment and it is presented on an as is basis. Please follow up with a qualified mental health provider in your area regarding concerns for yourself or loved ones. Thank you for joining us today. Now let's get started.

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Alrighty, fam. All right.

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Every year I take some time during the holiday season to play a few festive games. Not just to spread some cheer, but also to raise awareness and maybe even get a few laughs at OCD's expense. This year is no different. I'll just mention a trigger warning here at the top of the show as this episode includes discussion of various OCD themes, cursy words and potentially taboo content.

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What's taboo?

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I mean, it's kind of in the eye of the beholder, but if you're newer to Hanging with the Fam, this is also very much on purpose. OCD is all about rules and distress and saying, you can't talk about this, you can't say that, it's so bossy.

[A]

But good response.

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Prevention means that we don't follow OCD's rules, we follow our own value driven ones. So I've invited some fabulous colleagues and friends to join me and they did not disappoint because we are playing cards against ocd, the ho ho ho holiday edition. And yes, that is styled similar to Cards against humanity. So if you've ever played cards against humanity, you know exactly what kind of chaos is coming. And if you haven't, buckle up now. I will just note. Also, as long as I am doing a trigger warning, a special note for EMET or Emetophobia Warriors. And if you're like what? What's emet? It's that deathly fear of vomiting.

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I give you a heads up because.

[B]

During card number five there is a dramatic reading that includes gag like sounds. Now timestamps are available for each card if you'd like to skip that moment. But I just wanted to give you a heads up so that you can.

[A]

Take care of yourself for nufam. Sometimes hanging out in OCD spaces can.

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Feel a bit like Alphabet soup.

[A]

I mean, what in the OCD is a BFRB or erp?

[B]

And then there's icbt. No worries, I got you. No sweat. So ERP stands for Exposure and Response Prevention, ERP and icbt. Icbt, being Inference Based Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, are our evidence based treatments for OCD or obsessive compulsive disorder. And for good measure, BFRBs are body focused repetitive behaviors. An OC related disorder which sometimes we call an OCRD.

[A]

I mean, soup anyone? Now don't worry, there won't be a quiz.

[B]

No need to memorize it all. Just know you're welcome here.

[A]

Alrighty, last thing I'm gonna cover before we get to the fun is how we play today's game.

[B]

So traditionally this kind of game uses a boss prompt card to help steer each round.

[A]

For our version, I created a quick.

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Google form where each of us could then anonymously submit our answers to each prompt card. And then one player per round got to select their favorite answer, while the other three had to sit with the uncertainty and see who won.

[A]

And that was it.

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Thanks to Google Forms formatting tools, we could see when all of the responses were in without actually seeing the responses revealed. And that was fun. And as you'll hear throughout the episode.

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You can have a pretty good idea.

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Of when we did flip to that screen often. Laughter ensues. Also, since we were playing over zoom, I read all the prompt and response cards out loud, whether it was my turn to pick or not. I mean, less tech juggling, more laughs. Yes please. So if this sounds like fun, you too can totally play cards against ocd. Amongst you, your family, your friends. It really only took me about five minutes to Set up that Google form if you're like, yeah, but Me and Technology, YouTube. YouTube can teach you how to do.

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Google form lickety split.

[B]

Also, credit where credit is due. I use Chat GPT for generating 10 mystery prompt cards to keep things spicy. And, hey, I think they turned out pretty well.

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None of us had an advantage.

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Yes. Yes. We are all in it to win it.

[A]

So that's how we pulled off today's game.

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You'll hear us reference it a little bit as we dive in. And make sure you stick through the end, because not only did my gracious and heartfelt guests tell more about all the amazing and fabulous work they're doing out in the world, but they also left the fam here with their holiday tip of the season. And so listen for the laughs, stay for the encouragement, and let's get to it.

[A]

So welcome, ladies.

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Thank you.

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Thanks.

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Can't wait.

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Yes.

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Cannot wait.

[A]

So this is gonna be really fun and I definitely am going to make sure we take some time at the end, so make sure you stay tuned for that fam. But I know that Tracy and Krista just recently kicked off a podcast talking about all things taboo topics and so many really important things that we need to draw attention to when we're learning and that there's no shame in talking about this. So we're going to talk about so many different things at obsessively strong over there. Killing it on social as well. And so we will go around and do that. But first, we're here to play, aren't we?

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We are.

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Okay, so the game we have this holiday season is an OCD edition of Cards Against Humanity. So we used Chat GPT to come.

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Up with some of this.

[A]

And it was like, this is Gauntlet shit. And then it was like, intrusive thoughts. So I was like, cute. Chat Chat's trying. But we are going to play cards against humanity. We are all in it to win it. So we're all on a team Uno on this one, but we have different props that are going to be read aloud and we're going to be taking turns, so submitting prompts anonymously using a Google form. And, you know, we're going to have to see who's the winner, who prevails with the most points at the end. So what I will do to kick us off is I'm going to introduce our first question.

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Remind me who's.

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Who's typing the answer. We all are. So if you look in the chat.

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That's right. I remember now. I blacked out. It's been a long time. Day and week. My life. My life has been long.

[A]

Nicole, I'm sorry. You've gotten your Internet back, though.

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Yes.

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Okay. But the fact that she said, my life's been long, and Nicole's like, I'm sorry.

[C]

Yes, I will sip my tea.

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Yes, I will sip some syrup.

[C]

Syrup alert. A.

[D]

Is it sweet wine, Krista, or is it dry wine?

[E]

Well, it is dry. It is a sauvignon blanc.

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Does it have pickle juice inside?

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I am going to be chasing with pickle juice later, but thank you for asking.

[C]

What a classy bit.

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I am not planning on making out with anybody, though, so it's a damn shame.

[C]

I'm gonna make out with my cat.

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I don't think that's consensual.

[C]

Well, she keeps attacking me and forcing it on me. I'm just trying to give it. I'm tired of fighting her off.

[A]

Making an espresso martini.

I made an espresso martini and I added eggnog.

[E]

I have wine because y' all crazy with your espresso at night.

[A]

It's decaf. Because I also would not go to sleep if it's full calf. I'm screwed.

[C]

No, caffeine is not a problem. Oh, my God.

[E]

That's how you know you have adhd, is if you can have caffeine and go to sleep. You're like, good.

[D]

I also had. I just finished an Alani.

[C]

So good. I think they're good.

[E]

They are. Have you had, like, the orange cream one? Oh, my God. That one's really good.

[D]

I had the sherbert one today.

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Okay, are we ready?

[D]

Sticking first.

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So I'm gonna pick first.

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Okay.

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And the first card is. Are you ready? My therapist said I couldn't blank, so naturally I did it three times.

My therapist said I couldn't blank, so naturally I did it three times. And I'll wait till everybody's is in to go to the responses page on my Google forum. There's two Unamas. Okay. All right. So the question is. My therapist said I couldn't stick an entire banana in my mouth, so naturally I did it three times.

[C]

It does. You're low on potassium. She knew you were low on potassium.

[D]

She loves you.

[A]

My therapist said I couldn't check, so naturally I did it three times. Somebody played it very straight there, I noticed. I like that. I like it. So my therapist said I couldn't use Dr. Google, so naturally I did it three times. Okay, this is a hard one, because I like the humor of the banana. Check is like Straight. Straight and narrow, you know, compulsion. But I feel like my clients and sometimes others that shall not be named use Dr. Google. So I feel like that one hits me in the heartstrings, and I'm gonna have to go with Dr. Google. Oh, okay.

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Madison.

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Madison.

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That's fair.

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Okay. All right.

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I don't know what it says about me that the first thing I think of is putting an entire banana in my mouth.

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It means you have a taboo podcast, girly.

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That's what that means.

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It's an accurate question.

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I just want to be a supply on the wall in the room where the therapist is like, don't. With the banana. No. And you're like, I shall do it. Entice me.

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Another one?

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Yes.

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Thrice this banana.

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Thrice.

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Okay, so the next one you're going to do whoever.

[D]

Why don't we do, like, whoever wins, like, does the next.

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Because. Sure, that is a good idea. Let me see. Do you want me to read it?

[D]

You read it. You can read it. And then, like, when all the responses come in.

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All right, Number two. ERP because exposure to blink builds character.

[C]

What?

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Okay, okay. ERP because exposure to blank builds character.

[C]

Okay, say the last four words again, please.

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Yes, the last four. Specifically, exposure to blank builds character.

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There it is. Thank you.

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You bet.

I feel stressed to be funny.

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I'm sweating under my breasts.

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Okay, I'm just gonna say it.

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I am. I think that's just because the lighting in here.

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Okay.

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It doesn't have to be funny, Madison. You could be obscure.

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You.

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Yeah, but, like, these games are just the answers always dick, and then they win. That's what these games.

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That is correct.

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You mean? I mean, thrice sticks. Thrice sticks was the exact.

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Yes, yes.

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Okay, we have the responses.

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Okay, so these are great.

[A]

So the thing was. ERP because exposure to vomit builds character. ERP because exposure to public restrooms builds character. Or that got a collective look. ERP because exposure to disgust based triggers builds character.

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It's almost like you guys were all thinking the same thing. It's almost as if we all have OCD or something.

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You could vomit in a public bathroom and it'd be gross.

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So it would be gross. That would be gross. They all go together.

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Yeah.

[D]

So here's where my thought process is and where I struggle.

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Right.

[D]

Because vomit is like. You're both getting OCD and emetophobia. You know, public restrooms, though? Like, you could see vomit in public restrooms. Or poof or period blood or anything.

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Drugs.

I don't know.

[D]

And then there's also disgust based triggers, which is very broad. But that's so important to go broad sometimes to see.

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Is it?

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Honestly, I kind of. I think I'm gonna go public restrooms. Because you can get so many things from a public.

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Yes, Krista. Narrowly. Narrowly.

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Got it.

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Public bathrooms have my disgust based triggers inside of them.

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Oh, so much character from building, though. I'll tell you what, just.

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Yes, it does.

[E]

You can never wash your hands. And do you want to touch that faucet? Do you want to sit on that toilet? And first of all, that door is not locking, so you got to hold it with your foot.

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Okay.

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So, Krista, then you get to pick this time the prompt.

The prompt is give me sunny.

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Yes, me. Funny.

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Well, she's giving us clues. Madison and Tracy.

Sometimes you don't know where they're gonna land. I'm like, thrice dicks funny.

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That's what she said.

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Oh, my God.

[D]

Nicole, at this point, you have to Name this episode 3 Dixing Four women.

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Three, six, and four women.

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Not enough.

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Seems about right.

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It's not enough. It's not enough.

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It won't get blocked.

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It's not. It actually isn't.

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Never enough.

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Never enough.

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Unless you're a kind of woman that's like, no. And then you're like, no, I'm good. All right, so for the third one. Nothing ruins a dinner party faster than bringing up blank.

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Not going to lie with any of us. I feel like it's only going to build to it.

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I know. So we're going.

[E]

Tough one.

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We're going to have to. I don't know. It's making my boobs sweat. Okay.

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I would love to talk about that at dinner.

[C]

So that's not right.

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So clue. Don't put that.

Reassurance seeking worked.

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Ching.

Okay.

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Nothing ruins a dinner party faster than bringing up.

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Oh, man.

[E]

I'm actually kind of disappointed. I can't answer with this one because I got a great answer.

[D]

I hope I made.

[C]

You know what? I also made you proud.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

Okay. We got you. We got you.

[E]

Great.

[C]

Great. We knew who the judge was.

[D]

Yep.

[E]

You know, there's not a lot of things I won't talk about, and that's. That's got to be challenged.

[A]

Okay, so here it is. Same. Okay, are we ready for the great dance?

[D]

Okay, we're ready.

[E]

Can't wait.

[A]

These are good. Okay, we're getting into a roll, y'.

[C]

All.

[D]

We're getting into it.

[A]

Okay. Nothing ruins the. People are like Thomas. Nothing ruins the dinner party faster than bringing up intrusive Sexual images of my father. Okay, that's a strong one. That's a strong contender.

Nothing ruins a dinner party faster than bringing up vaginal smells. Or wonderful, wonderful. Nothing ruins a dinner party faster than bringing up emdr.

Oh, boy, I like it.

[E]

Oh, boy, I like it.

[A]

There's some layers to this. These are all.

[E]

These are all fantastic. And I'm not gonna lie, when I was thinking about this, I immediately was like, okay, so, you know, we're approaching the holidays, a lot of dinners coming up, and I know for a fact I can have these conversations with all of you guys. So I can't. I can't say I can't think of that. I have to think of my family and emdr. They're not gonna have any idea what that is going to mean. But to be honest with. I think they would be more intrigued. Sexual or intrusive? Sexual images of my dad?

It doesn't matter. I think my parents, because they don't have ocd, they'll want to know more about it. So it's gotta be vaginal smells. I think if I were to ever talk about that, I would talk about that with you guys. But if I were to ever bring that around the holidays, I would be kicked out faster than a redheaded stepchild. And I am already that.

[C]

See?

[A]

Yeah, I love vaginal smells. Was a very good one, Tracy. And Madison. It's giving me flashbacks of the Uber when there was lots of talk of lots of things, and I was like, yes, our Uber.

[D]

Uber driver. Also, I just want the fam to know we did not plan this. We all genuinely picked in order of.

[C]

The way that we showed up on screen. Oh, that was weird.

[E]

Did we?

[A]

Oh, that is funny. Look at that. All right, so, Tracy, you get to choose, cuz you were the winner. Winner, chicken dinner with vaginal smells. And how often do I get to say that phrase?

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I'm here for it. All right.

[E]

You know, if you say that again, you should play the lottery. Seriously.

[C]

I should. I should.

[A]

I should. It's, you know, it was a special moment. So here's for you to decide. Tracy, I didn't plan to confess blank in session, but here we are.

That's. That's a good one. That's a good one. We need a doorknob issue to make it really sell. Yeah, I didn't plan to confess blank in session, but here we are.

[C]

Or what if. What if they say something and ghost you?

[B]

She's giving us clues.

[C]

They can never face you again after that. I don't know what that would be. I feel like I welcome most topics. No, that's why I'm like, what would.

[A]

I struggle to confess?

[C]

Wow. Confess everything.

[A]

I expect to not confess, but here we are.

[C]

And here we are. I've never been to confession.

[A]

Here we are. I like that you're confessing about your lack of confessing.

[C]

Thank you. Yes. No one ever asked, so if they did.

[E]

So if you ever were to go, you would say, it has been my entire life since my last confession.

[C]

I would. That's a lot. And then I would say, do you want to discuss vaginal smells with me?

Straight face, and wait for an answer.

[E]

If it's anything like a, you know, a Catholic church and how they do confession, you're not going to see the priest face anyways, so you're good.

[C]

Yeah. Well, that's. Can I, Can I go in the other area like I was.

[E]

Can you go with the other.

[C]

You go with the other door? Yes. Is there a back door where we could have a conversation face to face about vaginal?

[D]

There's always a back door.

[C]

There's always a back door. And we know what's there.

[E]

Lots of conversations.

[C]

Okay, I'm ready. I'm ready for that.

[A]

Okay, so these are some good prompts, you guys. Okay, so the, the, the, the card is this. I didn't plan to confess how attractive Jesus is. His abs are ripped in session.

[C]

Nice.

[A]

But here we are.

[C]

Y. Yeah, yeah, that's fair.

[A]

It is sexy Jesus. I didn't plan to confess attraction towards my therapist in session, but here we are. Lastly, I didn't plan to confess that I believe hot dogs are. Are a sandwich in session.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But here we are.

[C]

Yeah. No, I, I, I have a solid answer.

[A]

Yeah, it is.

[C]

Because if somebody told me that anybody, including Jesus, was attractive and ripped, I would say, okay, that's, I would be like, that's very possible.

[A]

Yeah. So you'd believe that in session, you. I would just be like, you're like, I heard that yesterday. Yeah. Yeah.

[C]

I'd be like, I haven't seen him, but I'm willing to accept those.

[A]

But I'm willing to.

[E]

I hear he works out.

[C]

Yes. Attraction toward my therapist. I've heard that, actually. I have to. And I'm like, let's process that. Do you want to get married?

[A]

That's such a therapist thing to say. Process it. I'm here for it.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah. I consulted with somebody today who was like, oh, my goodness. My person said that they're attracted to me, and I was like, sweet and little to do it.

[A]

Foreshadowing for the game tonight. I mean, come on.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Merry Christmas.

[C]

I will say that as a strong believer that hot dogs are not a sandwich. No, they are not. I might cancel that person's next appointment.

I might be like, I don't believe that you're human, and ask them to leave. Yeah.

[A]

Ooh.

[C]

And I don't.

[E]

This is where even. Even though this is technically not a clinical diagnosis, this is where you put sociopath.

[A]

Who amongst us is this?

[E]

There is no other explanation.

[C]

That's just delusions.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, I see what you're saying with the bread and something wedged between. But, you know, two things wedged in a bun. A sandwich does not make.

[E]

Who put that? Madison.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Madison.

[D]

I don't. I don't know what you're talking about until we know what the right answer is.

[C]

The right answer is the hot dogs. Hot dog canceled out.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

Yes. Is that true? Do you really believe hot dogs are a sandwich?

[D]

I do.

[C]

I would. You're evil.

[A]

That is weird.

[E]

Get the fuck out of here.

[C]

Weird. You are so whack that I don't. What.

[D]

So then what would a hot dog be then?

[A]

A hot dog. It's a hot dog.

[E]

She's a hot dog.

[D]

So it's its own category.

[A]

How special?

[D]

Well, I disagree, because, you know. Have you ever had the struggle meal hot dog? That's like two pieces of bread.

[A]

It's not in its own category. What about a broth?

[C]

Right.

[D]

So a hot dog's a sandwich?

[C]

No, it's in a bun.

[D]

A lot of the time, the bun breaks in half. Anyway.

[C]

If you make a. If you make a hoagie, do you call it a hot dog?

[A]

Ooh. Now. Ooh.

[C]

Tracy the Subway serve Hot dog Thumbs.

[D]

Ooh. Dre, that doesn't mean it's not a sandwich.

[C]

They serve sandwiches, but they don't serve any on buns made for hot dogs.

[D]

But they also serve pizza. So, like, are we really gonna use Subway as the justification for Jersey Mike's?

[C]

Jersey Mike's only serves subs and sandwiches, and he doesn't serve hot buns or sandwiches on buns.

[E]

Boom.

[D]

I have other hot takes that could be a whole episode.

[C]

You believe hamburgers are a sandwich because I'm gonna unfriend you. I kind of do.

[E]

Well, hamburger feels more buns.

[A]

Hamburger feels more hamburger sandwich than a hot dog. I mean.

[E]

I mean, tacos, not bread.

[C]

No.

[E]

Right. That's a totally different situation.

[D]

Right. So that's why I think that hot dogs and hamburgers are also technically sandwiches.

[C]

Are s' mores a sandwich? All right, What s'? Mores? S'.

[A]

Mores.

[D]

S'. Mores.

[E]

They are.

[D]

They're dessert. Sandwich.

[C]

I've had enough. Everybody unfriend this person immediately.

[A]

They have no time.

[E]

Well, every time I'm on one of.

[D]

Nicole's game nights, I get canceled.

[A]

No.

[E]

Madison is my little sister. She will never be canceled by me. I love her, but this is going to be one of those where I'm just going to say, here's the. No, thank you.

[D]

Who won the point and who thought it was very funny?

[E]

I mean, it's hysterical.

[A]

It was hysterical. If I was picking, I would have picked the hot dog, too. Not because the other ones weren't good, but I was like, hot dog. Who is this evil genius trying to.

[D]

Evil genius. Exactly.

[A]

Evil genius. Because it's an illusion.

[E]

There are documentaries about people like you, Madison. They're basically just called, you know, tapes of a serial killer.

[D]

If sometimes a sandwich makes me a serial killer, then I guess I am.

[C]

It's so staggering.

[E]

That's the criteria.

[C]

My new exposure is going to be looking at potoms and buns and calling it a sandwich until I habituate to the discomfort.

[D]

We love it. No, we think we run out of things that would make us afraid, and I've just come up with a new one. I'm helping, but you know what?

[A]

I'm not afraid.

[E]

I'm going to take an ICBT lens in this and say, I am certain that that is not a sandwich.

[A]

Krista has uncertainty.

[D]

Do you respond? I'm going to trust my senses on this one. My internal sense data suggests if they're.

[E]

Broken, your senses are broken.

[A]

The calibration is wonky, I have to say. I mean, I think.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

I question a question. Okay, so Madison, through her weirdness, got that one. But it was so good. We liked it. And she is never canceled. I wouldn't keep inviting her back if she was canceled, silly Billy. But here is your next one you're gonna be guessing for. I just. Let's do a point recall right now. Addison is in the lead because of her sandwich drama, and this needs to be fixed, ladies. So OCD said, don't do blink. I said, bet. Ooh, it's got, like, Gen Z going.

Oh, man.

And our 1. Gen Z is like.

Pick it. Oh, somebody's got an evil genius idea. OCD said don't do blink. I said, bet.

[C]

Oh, my gosh.

[E]

Why am I drawing a blank?

[C]

Oh, boy.

[D]

That's how the hot dog situation came to be.

[E]

I love It.

[B]

Gosh.

[E]

Where's. Where's my hot dog situation right now?

[A]

Don't do. Okay, That's a tough one.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Okay. All three are in. Okay, here we go.

[D]

Dog murder.

[E]

Really?

Y' all are. Y' all are.

[D]

Are coming from.

[C]

From.

[A]

I love it.

[B]

We.

[A]

We.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

All right. So we love another hot take, though. I see another hot take in here.

[A]

I see a hot take. Yes.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

OCD said, don't do murder. Maybe probably hot dog murder. I said bet. OCD said, don't do. Hot dogs are sandwiches. I said, you cray. I said BET.

Number three. OCD said don't do pour milk first and then cereal. I said.

Sorry for the bathroom.

[D]

The bathroom exposure from earlier.

[A]

So I know it's a little. I have to apologize to emet followers here.

[D]

So I feel like the people that came for my hot dog answer shot themselves in the foot for this one, because why would I pick something that goes against my values of a hot dog sandwich? So I also think this is a hot take, though. Pouring milk first and then cereal. Yes. I'm gonna do that one.

[E]

Yay.

[A]

That was you, Krista, Tracy. Tracy and I were both in hot dog land. We were like, I love.

[E]

Ask, though, because adv. So is that something that you do is you pour your milk first and then cereal?

[D]

So here's another thing that probably makes me serial killer. I don't like cereal killer. I like to. Yeah, literally. I like to have my cereal and have milk on the side. I don't like soggy cereal.

[A]

Oh, that is literally.

[E]

That is literally the villain. And get out. That's what she does.

[C]

Don't compare me to that villain goodness.

[E]

I.

Just think that's what she does.

Fantastic.

[C]

I'm like, I would never. I think I couldn't even speak to somebody that poured their milk first then cereal starting. Because your cereal floats, bro. There's not even room for cereal by the time you put milk. That's crazy. That's the word.

[E]

Which is why I said OCD is saying to do that, because that is crazy. That is crazy talk. You literally are going to get, like, 10 particles of your cereal in there.

[C]

Yeah. I hope it's not Rice Krispies. Have you ever even tried to pour milk into those? They float out of your bowl.

[A]

But if you don't like soggy cereal and you eat it before it saturates and sinks, then I guess that might be.

[D]

I like to hear. I'm going to pull up something. One of Krista's talks. I very much like to mindfully eat so by the time I'm finished with my cereal, it is very soggy. And I'm not about it.

[C]

I see.

[A]

I like it. It's fancy to do things in a deconstructed way. So you're just saying me fancy. I like it.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

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[A]

Krista, you get. You get to guess. All right, Krista, here's your prompt. The only thing more exhausting than obsessions is bling.

[E]

Great. This is where the thrice situation would be. Great.

[C]

That.

[A]

That is a bit more exhausting.

[E]

I imagine. I have no idea. I imagine.

[A]

I'd imagine. Unless people are, like, real quick, you know, a little microwave there.

[D]

Nicole, read it one more time to me, please.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

The only thing more exhausting than obsessions is blank.

[D]

Oh, if we need to redo this, let me know.

[E]

That means it is naughty, right?

[D]

That's not naughty.

[A]

But it sounds like. I was gonna say it sounds a little bit like reassurance seeking, but I. You know, maybe a little.

[D]

But you can. You can let me know. I don't know what you want on your pod.

[A]

So cute. Cute. It all goes Europe.

[C]

Yep.

[E]

You're Europod.

[A]

Europod, Yeah.

[D]

I wish I was a tripod.

[A]

You're a pod in a bun. Or as I would call it, a sandwich.

[D]

Thank you, Nicole. I'm glad you agree with me.

[A]

You're a little snack. Okay, we are.

[B]

No, she wants.

[E]

She wants to commit hot dog murder.

[A]

Oh, hot dog murder. Yes.

Okay, we have three responses. Here we go. All right.

[C]

That one's true.

[A]

Oh, my gosh.

[C]

Savage.

[A]

Okay, this is savage. All right, there's a little inside baseball here.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

The only thing more exhausting than obsessions is waiting for IOCDF proposal. Exceptions.

[D]

True.

[C]

Fast.

[A]

I know.

[C]

You know. Okay.

[A]

The only thing more exhausting than obsessions is the current political climate. Yes, also true. We got some strong contenders. The only thing more exhausting than obsessions is more than three phallic shaped machetes coming at me. Ooh. Somebody was playing the thrice card. Somebody was thriving. It was a javelin.

[E]

I fancy myself a ninja. Only like moonlighting as one when I get very brave and I feel like if three phallic shaped machetes were coming at me, I'm just going to. Yeah. And you know, it'd be no big deal. So no stress there.

[A]

Okay. No stress in the sword. Just to be.

[B]

Just to be.

[E]

Just to be clear about.

[C]

Just in case.

[A]

If you're in a knife fight, you know who's extremely comfortable?

[B]

This one.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Penis.

[A]

A penis shaped only.

[E]

Only when I'm moonlighting specifically as a ninja.

[A]

Oh, my gosh.

[D]

You know what?

[B]

You.

[E]

I'm not gonna lie.

[A]

You know what?

[E]

You're. I know exactly what I would have picked. Oh, and I love the IOCDF so much. But, yeah, waiting for those proposals to come in to see if you talk, y', all, it's just. It's so hard because you're just like waiting so long and you're like, do I get to see and talk about that one thing that I'm so excited to.

[A]

And then.

[E]

I just wish there was such a quicker way because I love talking at that conference. I love it.

[A]

I love it.

[D]

But people both.

[E]

No, I'm just kidding.

[A]

Oh, I love how diplomatic. See, I put Chris in a real weird position because she's an IOCDF advocate. And it's not. It's not poo pooing on iocdf. But you know what? We all have. We all have room for growth and they're turnaround time could improve greatly.

[E]

And they get so many proposals too. They get an insane amount of proposals. And so I can't imagine just how difficult that is. That man.

[A]

Yeah, it's.

[E]

Yeah, it's hard. Like, even reading that was giving me anxiety.

[C]

I was already tired because I started thinking about how long it will take next year.

[A]

To give context. To give context. IOCDF will be like, you must have all proposals in for this summer's conference by the end of January and then.

[D]

And out in April.

[A]

The conference is July 4th and you will find out June 26th, basically.

Congratulations. You can come.

[E]

Embellishment. Yes.

[A]

It's a little embellished, but we're also laughing because it's not that bedazzled. So anyway, anyway, I see. I felt very clever when I thought of that one.

[E]

That was a good one. That's a good one. Because I think we all saw that. We were like.

[A]

We'Re all like. If you've ever spoken there or tried to speak there, you know, all right, so the next one is me. I get to guess. And here is the prompt. My reward for doing an exception. Exposure is blank.

Madison in her sandwiches. She's got a smug smile going on her face. You can't see it, fan. But I. I'll keep it real. Oh, God. Okay, there's one response in again. It's My reward for doing an exposure is blink.

[E]

And Nicole, you're choosing. Is that right?

[A]

Because of my epic Ioctf answer.

I felt so clever. I was like, I'm amazing. It was a. Yeah. Yeah, That's a pretty clever one. Yes. Okay, I have all three responses.

Oh, my gosh.

Oh, tough, tough. Okay, My reward for doing an exposure is three dicks and a nap. It's three dicks and a nap.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

My room. My reward for doing an exposure. Exposure is eating a hamburger sandwich. I'm noticing a theme.

My reward for doing an exposure is crunchy tacos. A little variety for the class.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Okay.

[E]

Very, very much a variety.

[A]

Oh, my goodness. I can see where all yalls heads are at, and I'm here for it. Okay, so what would I want? Well, I do love a good nap, but I. I feel like that's too much effort. Number one, three dicks. I'm just like, what? Who's got time? I'm already needing a nap.

[E]

Is it in that order? We don't know. It's elusive.

[A]

There you go. It is elusive.

[D]

What does it mean?

[A]

Is there interaction with said dicks?

[B]

That's right.

[A]

Do the dicks leave us alone?

[D]

Live in uncertainty?

[A]

Do the dicks have a cold? Do I get to nap? Are they napping? Are the dicks napping?

[C]

Okay.

Maybe there's just three nearby you. And everyone's asleep.

[A]

I mean, I love a collective nap. I love a collective nap. Eating a hamburger sandwich. Whoever that clever devil that wanted to attach a sandwich to that based on our conversation. And then we have crunchy tacos. I do love a taco Tuesday. Let's see. You know what? I will be completely honest. As someone with celiac, so I can't have gluten at all. It is kind of rare for me to have a hamburger. And though I may not be like, give me that hamburger sandwich, I think that would be kind of treaty. So I think I'm gonna have to go with eating a hamburger sandwich.

Oh, no. Krista in the lead. All right, Krista.

[E]

I'm not gonna lie. I really, truly thought crunchy tacos were gonna win, because after I read that.

[A]

I was like, I feel like that's.

[E]

The only one that actually makes sense.

[A]

I mean, I love a crunchy. I love a crunchy taco, but Gosh, I get a lot of corn. I get a lot of corn. I was like, reward treaty. I don't know.

[C]

Maybe.

[A]

It depends on the day. All right, Krista, you get to guess, and you are in the lead. And, Tracy, we have to knock Madison out with the elbows on this one because we don't want her to die.

[C]

Very difficult.

[A]

Yes, it is. It's tricky. It's tricky. She's got hot dog sandwiches after all. So the next one. All right, this is our eighth question.

[C]

Believe it or not.

[A]

OCD Recovery Starter Pack, ERP, SSRIs and Blank.

[E]

Wait, it's three dicks and a nap.

[C]

I know.

[E]

You had to. You had to sing that.

[C]

I did.

[A]

I mean, it was good, though, right?

[D]

It just flows so nicely.

[A]

It's Christmas time at presents. Come on, now. A nap is always a present.

[C]

It's like a jingle. It is for Starbucks.

[A]

It's like a jingle. It really is.

[B]

For sure.

[A]

Okay. CD starter pack.

[C]

Can you say the question again?

[D]

Yes.

[A]

OCD recovery starter pack, ERP, SSRIs. And blink.

[E]

I'm gonna have that song in my head all night.

[D]

You're welcome.

[A]

You are welcome.

[E]

Gosh, so great.

[D]

Catch me for a jingle.

[A]

So here we are, ready for our answers?

[C]

Guessing.

[A]

Okay, what is the response? OCD recovery starter pack, ERP, SSRIs, and being unbothered by taboo. Intrusive thoughts.

[E]

It does sound luxurious, actually.

[A]

OCD recovery starter pack, ERP, SSRIs, and a hike in the wilderness with Dr. Gray.

[D]

Gray.

[A]

I know somebody who thinks that's a nightmare. That is diabolical.

[D]

I'm not gonna lie that I'm gonna agree.

[A]

I mean, that is diabolical.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

OCD Recovery Starter Pack, ERP, SSRIs, and Taco Tuesday.

[E]

Oh, fantastic. Fantastic.

[A]

Somebody heard you last round. Being like, you know what makes sense. Tacos. Always tacos. I mean.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

So we'll see. Is she going to be consistent, folks?

[E]

Okay, let me. Let me break these down. So being unbothered by taboo, intrusive thoughts. That sounds wonderful. Because, like, you know, I'm thinking about.

[A]

That's a hashtag goal, right?

[E]

I mean, exactly.

[C]

That's.

[E]

That's what you. That's what you want to get. That's. That's literally where you want to get.

[A]

And you get to start there in the starter pack. I mean.

[E]

Yeah, you're starting there.

[C]

You're starting. Healed.

[A]

Yes, please. Plus SSRIs. Yeah.

[C]

Good luck on that, y'. All. Yes.

[E]

A hike in the wilderness with Dr. Gray Grayson. Dr. Grayson is Dr. Gray Gray, listen, Dr. Grayson was thinking up. I was like, if I ever get to do a hike with Dr. John Grayson, I think it's going to be like, exposure upon exposure upon exposure. And to me, nothing about that sounds comforting or fun for me.

[A]

You forgot water. Drink it from the river. I will say it. No, I will say thank you. Although Grayson does a wilderness hike. Erp hike. After a conference, though. Oh, I've seen that.

[E]

Fantastic.

[A]

I'm sure it's scary.

Hike. They probably Spider.

[D]

This is.

[E]

This is my starter pack. And guess what? It already comes with erp. And I'm good on the wilderness hike.

[D]

Mm.

[E]

I'm literally torn between the tacos and being unbothered by taboo and Jesus thoughts.

[A]

But you know what?

[E]

I don't need to have a win to eat tacos because they're pretty freaking easy to make, so I can have them every single day of the week, not just on Tuesday. I want to be unbothered by taboo. Intrusive thoughts. So come on down. You're Madison.

[D]

Well, Serenity.

[A]

We had one job. We had one job. Oh, no.

[D]

If only it could really be a part of the starter pack.

[A]

That would be awesome. If you're like, listen, you're gonna do treatment, it's gonna be hard, but there will be tacos. I'd be like, sign me up, you know?

[E]

Yeah. You know, if it was tacos every day, I think that might have won.

[A]

Maybe. Maybe we need to bring this up at iocdf. Perhaps submit a proposal to say everyone eats tacos.

[C]

Everyone.

[D]

That's what it is.

[C]

That's the whole.

[E]

Exactly.

[C]

Hour and a half.

[A]

Exactly.

[E]

Ok.

[C]

But with our treatment, at least we can get to where we are unbothered by our taboo thoughts right now.

[D]

True.

[A]

Way to point out.

[E]

Yes, eat tacos.

[C]

It's a very important part of my life.

[A]

With treatment, you can leave your house and have a value driven taco.

[C]

Or of any kind.

[A]

Go grocery shopping and not be afraid of grabbing value driven taco shells from the shelf. Not even the third one.

[C]

Shrimp tacos.

[E]

I like that.

[C]

Chicken tacos. You can have ground beef tacos, carne asada tacos, chorizo tacos. Oh, potato tacos. Okay, breakfast.

[A]

I'm hungry and I've had dinner.

[C]

Perfect.

[A]

Yeah, it is perfect.

[E]

It's the perfect food because you can have it for lunch, dinner and breakfast. You have like, everything. Like, you can have a breakfast taco, you can have, you know, a taco salad or a taco soup. And then at night you have tacos.

[C]

Now, if you put a hot dog In a taco shell. Is it still a taco?

[D]

I think it's going to.

[A]

I mean, it's the show.

[E]

It's disgusting. That's what it is.

[C]

But is it a show?

[A]

It's a taco.

[C]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

I think Tracy found the key to Pandora's box here. Because if you put the hot dog, by your definition, a bun and bread. Madison, it is a taco.

[D]

But no taco bread.

[A]

No.

[D]

Or like. No. A taco is a tortilla, not bread. It's fusion.

[A]

I think Tracy. I think Tracy.

[D]

It is white on you.

[A]

I think Tracy's the answer to the world here. The next one.

[B]

We are.

[A]

We are close. You guys are tied, and I don't know if we're gonna catch up, but maybe. But maybe not, I guess maybe.

[C]

Maybe not.

[A]

So for Madison, since you got that one. If I avoid this one thing, I'll definitely prevent blank.

I can't say what I thought, but I.

[D]

You can type it.

[A]

I don't think I can.

[C]

Do you repeat that one more time?

[A]

I would be so happy to. If I avoid this one thing, I'll definitely prevent blank.

Time speechless now. I really want a taco. Maybe tomorrow.

[C]

If I.

[E]

If I avoid this one, saying I will prevent blank.

[A]

I'll definitely prevent. There's some certainty in that. I'll definitely prevent blank.

[C]

Okay, cool.

[A]

All right. Trace answers are in thrice, as some would say.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

So if I avoid this one thing, I'll definitely prevent herpes.

[D]

We're never giving up the hot dogs. We're never giving up the hot dogs.

[C]

I like touch upon hot dogs.

[D]

I also like it. And it's a taboo thing for a Chicagoan to say that really specific place to laugh in your damn face.

[A]

I mean, why is it controversial? I want to know why it's controversial because I have a feeling the fam here might be like, we like ourselves some ketchup with a hot dog.

[E]

I have no idea.

[D]

It's just not part of the Chicago dog.

[C]

You can't get it on a Chicago dog. I went to a classy place. There was no. That was not one of the options.

[A]

What?

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

They don't even have ketchup in the restaurant.

[B]

No.

[D]

The time.

[A]

No. Oh, my God.

[C]

Bring your own by. Okay. Yeah.

[D]

And then they laugh in your face.

[C]

And they're like, you get out your pocket.

[A]

You're like, I carry. I'm. I'm carrying Heinz. So it's fine.

[C]

You can get shot.

[E]

Giant purse, and you bring the hinds out.

[A]

What if they go to shoot Me, and I use some of the ketchup. I'm like, what? I'm already shot. And they're like, damn. And they walk away.

[D]

The Chicago peeps. Jean and Jude's is the best place to go for.

[C]

Oh, my God, I just went there.

[D]

Isn't it so good?

[C]

Oh, my God, the fries.

[D]

I know.

So the reason I bring this out, McDonald's right next door. Also, there's a really cute tiki bar that next time I went to the tiki bar.

[C]

Right on that one. Yes. Okay.

[D]

They have a fun weekend to light on fire. It's so cool. Okay, anyway, Chicago's great, everyone. Technically, it's not Chicago, but it's okay. So when you go to Jean and Jude's, they don't have ketchup, but the McDonald's next door will charge you a dollar per packet to get.

[A]

Because they know. Because they know. People smart, though, because they want some on their dogs. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. Okay, so the family's like, unbated breath. Because they're like, what does ketchup have to do with this? Here it is, guys, Listen, if I avoid this one thing, I'll definitely prevent herpes. That was the first one.

[E]

If I'm amazing.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

I mean, always good to have prevention of diseases. We're here for it.

[E]

Yes.

[A]

If I avoid this one thing, I'll definitely prevent hot dogs having ketchup. That sounds like a Chicagoan. Like, somebody knew the inside scoop and was, like, speaking to Madison there. Somebody's playing chicky chicky. And somebody just had hot dogs at that place. So I don't know. We might have a clue. Okay, if I avoid this one thing, I'll definitely prevent poop germs death.

[D]

So your girl loves ketchup on her hot dogs.

[A]

Who doesn't?

[E]

I really?

[A]

You mean on your sandwich? You like ketchup sandwiches?

[D]

You're right.

I do put ketchup on my sandwiches. You are absolutely right. My sandwich.

In the same way. An Italian beef sandwich is a different category. Sandwich. So is a hot dog a hot dog sandwich? Anyway, poop germs. That's not really one of my things. You know, I don't really care about poop germs.

[C]

That's crazy.

[A]

Well, then you'll.

Definitely. You'll definitely prevent them.

[E]

You know, Tracy is literally like, what the fuck is wrong with you right now. I can't understand.

[A]

She's like, listen, hamburger sandwich.

[D]

I don't know where you came from.

[C]

The vents.

[D]

Get out of here. Not real voices from the vents. Yeah. Get out of here. Can't do that. Okay. And then one thing too. Like, again, these are. This is my hot take as well. Like, again, nobody necessarily wants herpes, but I think it's more stigmatized than everyone thinks it is.

[A]

I think it wasn't breaking down stigma in the middle of we are.

[D]

Because before, I think it was, like, the 1980s or something. Like, every. This was not really a big deal. And then all these, like, places came out and said it was, like, this big problem. Of course, like, we don't want to say everyone should get herpes.

[B]

Right.

[D]

But at the same time, I'm like.

[A]

You're like, you know what? Everyone could get herpes.

[D]

Yeah. Most people. A lot of adults have it, and they don't even know because it's not even on std.

[A]

So many tests. Most of the time, you gotta ask for it.

[D]

Anyway, I feel like a very OCD answer, though, is gonna be either herpes or poop germs.

[A]

And somebody knew inside baseball about the ketchup. No ketchup on your Italian wiener.

[C]

Italian sandwich. That'd be crazy.

[E]

Did you say on your Italian wiener?

[A]

Thrice wieners.

Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, I'm.

[D]

You know what? Even though I'm not a huge. I don't have a problem with it.

[A]

Oh, my God. Poop germs. Actually, dad, who's got poop germs?

[D]

Who was poop germs?

[C]

Me.

[A]

Okay. I was like, you guys are stealth. I was like, tracy, Jess, you are preventing poop germs.

[C]

Death. Not just poop germs that kill you. That might.

[D]

Got it. The death ones. The, like, C. Diff.

[C]

Yep, those are the ones.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

My gosh. Okay, so no, I tell you, like.

[E]

It was, like, 12 years ago. I went on a Chicago, like, food tour, and we went to some Chicago place. It was like, I can't. And Madison is there, like, some, like, legendary restaurant that is, like, big for Chicago hot dogs.

[D]

There's Superdawg. There's Hot Red Hot Ranch. There's France.

[C]

God, I can't remember.

[E]

I can't remember what it was. You might have even said it. And that's where I learned about the official Chicago thing. Because all of us, like, non Chicagoans were just like, where's the ketchup? And people are like, oh, like, goss, how dare you try to ruin our delicacy? And we're just like, it's a fudgeing hot dog. Like, get over yourselves.

[A]

It's a sandwich. You didn't know. You. Yes, you. Honestly, that's Right. That's right. You put ketchup on your tuna. No, because it's a sandwich.

[C]

That'd be gross.

[E]

Oh, my gosh.

[C]

Okay.

[E]

I will say this, though, that after that trip again 12 years ago, like, Chicagoans are right. Like, the stuff that they put on their hot dog and everything. Like the celery salt and everything.

[D]

And sports.

[E]

I feel like if you were to add. I feel like if you were to add ketchup, it ruins that.

[D]

Yeah, Agree to disagree. You know, up to all this stuff and then ketchup.

[C]

And then ketchup.

[D]

And then ketchup.

Other controversial take. I don't think a lot of us really have deep dish that much.

[E]

Everyone's like, deep dash deep.

[D]

We literally don't even eat it that much. It's not that good.

[C]

I don't like.

[E]

Do you guys have malore a lot?

[B]

No.

[A]

You hate merlot.

[C]

That's when you really hate people. Right?

[D]

And I will admit, it's not really, like, the shot itself. It's the aftertaste that's, like, really gross. Here's another controversial sociopathic thing. I love licorice. So, like, the initial taste isn't bad, but the aftertaste is real bad of malort.

[C]

Are you trying to say that you like black licorice?

[A]

She likes.

[D]

She's in anis, so Goodmeister.

[C]

Don't you? You like?

[D]

No, I actually don't. And I don't like anise either.

[A]

She likes pickles.

[D]

It just has to be the jelly bean or the black licorice. I don't like.

[C]

What if it's on a hot dog sandwich?

[D]

I probably wouldn't like it then, either.

Supposed to be salty, but people make them sweet. I don't get that. I don't understand.

[A]

It's like a sweet pickle. What are you even doing? Get out of here.

[D]

Why?

[C]

Get out of here.

[A]

Get out of here. Right. I don't believe in the sweet pickle.

[C]

The litmus test for evil.

[A]

So here is the. Here's apparently, here's the last question for Cards Against Humanity, because you guys are tied, and if you stay tied, then that was just how fate had it. Sandwich was meant to be tied, but it's not sweaty. And I feel like Tracy knows Tracy better. How many do you have now, Tracy?

[C]

Heidi? I have one, which is the exact amount of things I prefer at once. Do I have to?

[A]

I feel like you have two. You have two, which is this.

[C]

We know what I'd say if two is my limit. So I probably can't get anybody.

[A]

I Have one. I feel like you have two. They both have three. So we have the potential to have a three way tie.

[D]

Rice.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Rice way tie.

[C]

Right.

[A]

Might be the appropriate thing.

[E]

We're about to have a thrice time.

[A]

We're gonna have an ultimate winner. We'll see. So here it is. Okay. And our guesser is. Well, I guess it's. Is it Tracy, you're guessing because she. Because you had it.

Intrusive thoughts are like blank but spicier.

[C]

Am I. I'm not coming up with an answer.

[D]

You're not.

[B]

You're the.

[E]

You're the judge. You are judging.

[A]

Thoughts are like blank but spiciers.

[C]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

I'm keep trying to eat Jolly Ranchers without crunching them up, but somehow when I become unconscious, I start crunching them. I can never just suck one to the end, she said.

[A]

I know.

[D]

Well, because two is the limit, right?

[C]

Don't come at me with more than two. I only have a couple of spaces.

[E]

We'll make room.

[C]

I'll get you some rental space.

[A]

Okay. Are we ready? I think you have. I'm like dying everything. We have all three in.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

All right. So the question there is a lot.

[E]

Super long.

[C]

Like a storm be.

[A]

Okay. Intrusive thoughts are like the vomit scene from the Exorcist, but spicier.

Okay. Intrusive thoughts are like sweet pickle juice, but spicier. How ironic, since it's not spicy sweet. Oh, okay. Intrusive thoughts are like walking down the street, but you step on your mother's back. But then the world ends and a stadium people blow up. But the worst part is that many stadium sandwiches just get destroyed.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

The hot dogs.

[D]

No, but spicy here.

[E]

But spicier hot dogs.

[A]

Oh, no, not the sandwiches.

[D]

Sorry, I started this dilemma.

[A]

There's no ketchup.

[E]

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. That the theme of the episode is going to be tacos versus hot dogs.

[C]

That's true. And if I had to eat one every day, it would be.

[A]

I mean, it's Mars or Venus. It all comes down to that.

[C]

The vomit scene from the Exorcist.

[A]

But spicy.

[C]

I like that one. That. That makes sense.

[A]

And there's.

[C]

I don't know if they're spicy pea soup, though, but I'm gonna think about sweet pickle juice is disgusting.

[A]

Gross. Madison.

[C]

Yeah, the intrusions can be disgusting, but I don't think they're sweet usually.

But they are disgusting. Like sweet pickle juice. So it's kind of complicated. One of my first intrusions that I remember that was complicated around. Oh, my gosh. Like, magical thinking was. Because in the 80s, while my mom was driving me to school in the car and I heard the song that said, step on a crack, break your mama's back.

[D]

That's my first obsession.

[C]

I'm not kidding. And my mom had been, oh, my.

[A]

God, you did it.

[C]

Because you injured your mom's back.

[D]

That's what my brain said.

[C]

Like, five, six year old Tracy's like, you did.

[D]

It's like, what's wrong with your kid? And they're like, I don't know. She's anxious.

[C]

That's wild. So, yeah, my first. My very first one, I don't remember what it was, but I know that that was. Was certainly an early one. It was certainly my first magical one. So I didn't step on cracks because I thought her back would break, but then I wasn't sure if she would die because I didn't know if broken backs kill you. So it was very confusing.

[A]

She's just being a lot of people.

[C]

I'm gonna have to. I'm gonna. I'm gonna have to select that one. It's most relatable.

[A]

That one was.

[C]

And I still have two, because two is enough.

[A]

Two is. It is enough. It's Kenuff and enough and all the things.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

We both have two. They both have three.

[E]

Great time.

[A]

All right. Excellent job, ladies. Very good. I'm gonna jingle a bell because it's Christmas time.

[B]

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[A]

Okay, so as we draw to a close here, share a little bit about where people can find you, where you guys are talking about taboo topics, where Madison is doing her advocacy work, and maybe one closing tip for this holiday season that people can lean into.

[E]

I love that.

[A]

I love that you love it.

[E]

Do I go first?

[A]

You can go.

[E]

Okay. Oh, my gosh. So much to remember. Okay, well, you can find me. It's my full name on Instagram. It's @Christaruthread on Instagram. And my website is also my name and the disorder I treat. So readocd.com and something to kind of. What was that holiday thing again?

[A]

Yeah, a tip that people can lean into. It can be fun, it can be sassy, it can practical, it can be hot dog.

[E]

Well, it's definitely not going to be hot dogs. I will also, full disclosure, I'm really not a big hot dog eater anymore.

[C]

Don't really.

[E]

It's. It's like one of those things. The older you get, your body just doesn't want some particular foods in there anymore. And hot dogs are definitely one of them.

[D]

Whoa.

[E]

But yes.

I'm gonna say, you know what, if you are feeling forced or pressured to celebrate a holiday a particular way and it doesn't feel. Feel like it fits you, it doesn't feel like it's honoring your own desires and values, find your own traditions. Like, we are here to be able to, of course, celebrate and share a moment with our family and everything. However, I absolutely. And I have found this. The older I get, like, I start my own traditions. I start different ways that I celebrate. Maybe it doesn't make sense to anybody else. However, between my kids and I, we love it. And there's absolutely. It doesn't matter how old you are. It doesn't matter what's going on. It's never too early to start a tradition.

[C]

I love that.

[A]

Yes. Yes. Okay, who wants to follow Krista? Because that was amazing.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

Suck it.

[C]

Hey, I'll suck it.

[E]

I'll go, Nick, you'll suck it thrice times thrice.

[C]

Okay, so I forgot all of the things, but I'm gonna say the things I remember that he could tell me what I forgot about that. So first of all, I just want to say that the podcast that Krista and I have is not OCD related, which shocks a lot of people because they're like, what? It is taboo related. It is called talk Taboo to me and it covers taboo topics that other people are uncomfortable about talking about, but we think it's important to talk about in a non judgmental fashion and help people feel more comfortable talking about taboo topics. Could be a lifestyle, it could be a work thing, could be your life. I'm taboo Tracy T R A C I E Because I'm special like that on Instagram where I talk about surprise taboo things and OCD recovery things. My personal therapy practice is SPF therapy.com specialized psychological services, where I specialize in OCD and sex therapy. And I happen to work at NOCD, so plug for them nocd.com and did you say. I. I heard holiday tips and stuff, but then I. I. Then I just blacked out.

Little.

[A]

Little odd to get through the holiday season.

[C]

Oh, that makes sense. Holiday season. Not everybody has a fabulous family to go to. Not everyone even has, like, a great place to go at all. And sometimes it's distance. Like, maybe you just don't have the money or time to go see your family, or maybe your family sucks. And I have a little bit of both of those things at times. But, like, I just, like, want to share that. It doesn't have to be, like, a big thing. It's okay. We don't have to do. Don't feel pressure. We're not going to have a big dinner. Like, think outside of the box. It doesn't have to get. You could have a hot dog sandwich if that's what you were into, but not at my house. I'll. I'll kill you.

[D]

Just regular sandwich.

[C]

Just a regular hot. With a regular hot dog. And. And I would also say, like, sometimes it's just fun to do something with, like, even one or two people. So, like, for the holidays, I'm gonna go hang out with my friend Uma Chatterjee, and we're gonna just make random food and, like, we're gonna eat stuff.

[B]

Stuff.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So it doesn't have to be crazy. Yeah, it doesn't have to be crazy or, like, feel like, oh, my gosh, I didn't have a whole thing. Don't worry about it. Like, a thing. It's, like, what it is to you. One important person in your life you could hang out with. And that's. That's okay. So I just want to say that because a lot of people don't have, like, more than one or two people to hang out with. That's okay. One person even. It can be special. So embrace it. And maybe that person's not in your family, and that's okay.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Tracy Madison. Where can people find you at? What are you up to? Give us all the dates and your tip for the holidays and my tips.

[D]

So you can find me at Obsessively Strong on Instagram and TikTok. I talk all things OCD, ICBT, ERP, all the things that I do and I'm interested in. I also specialize in BFRBs. If we're looking to work with me. You can. If you live in Illinois. That's some something that we can do. So find me on there. In terms of tips for the holiday, I think one of the things that I want to preface or mention is that similar to what Kind of Tracy said, if your family doesn't kind of understand your diagnosis or like, really relate or even acknowledge it, know that that doesn't mean anything about you. That means more about their maybe inability to learn or want to recognize or things like that. And I know that families in particular can be really hard and feel very invalidating when those experiences happen. So give yourself a lot of grace before you go. If you are going into a space like that, and then after. One of my favorite things, prepare for after. What are we gonna do that's gonna brighten or lift you up after you leave a space that maybe it doesn't feel super, super positive.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And lastly, know that you don't have to stay that long if you don't want to. If you were uncomfortable, it.

[A]

Right.

[D]

I used to live a lot of my life struggling with that idea. And I think it's really important to remember that. Hey, me is not a representation of what they. So that's my little tip for the holiday.

[A]

Love that. When you dip, I dip. You dip? Yes.

[C]

And when you dip, I'm gonna be living near you for in case you dip. And then I will find you and.

[A]

We will go, and I'm gonna bring dippable chips.

[D]

And we'll have that go to Jean.

[E]

And dudes and oh, my God, we're all gonna be in the Midwest. It just dawned on me. I love that.

[A]

Taking it over. Yes. Well, thank you, everybody. I'm just gonna end with this tip, and then we're gonna say happy Holidays. Hang in if you need it. But I'm just gonna say, you know, tis the season that you get to see.

[B]

Oh, look.

[A]

Little Jimmy had a piano recital, and little Susie had a solo at the elementary school concert. And Janice and Tom went to their holiday get together and all these different things, and you might be like, we can't leave the kitchen and the bedroom. And comparison can feel like the enemy. The darkest reminder that, you know what? We're not where I thought I would be, or I don't know if we're gonna be able to get there. And there can be a lot of grief this time of year. And so, first of all, I would just say honor what you're feeling. Honor what you're feeling.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

It's okay if you're Like, I wish it was different. But then find something. Look at each other. Look at what you have. If you have each other and you're like, this sucks. But hey, in the trench, I see I'm not alone because you're there, then that's something. And it may not look like little Jimmy being up on stage, but it's still, it's. It's powerful. And it's because of that bond and who you have in each other that you're gonna get through this. And so it can be hard because it's just like, oh my gosh, look, everybody's living life and everything appears great. People don't put their shit pictures. And where people were drunk and somebody got disappointed and somebody slept on the couch and somebody got in a car accident. Like, people don't put those posts on Instagram. They put eating from their charcuterie board. And yay, look at the wonderful dress. Nobody's life is going perfectly. And guess what? Perfection isn't the goal, honey.

[C]

Okay?

[A]

And so wherever you're at, if you're like, hey, I'm kind of feeling sad. And in my feels, honor it. But also know that grief itself doesn't define you. Look around and if you don't see anybody in that trench, reach out for help. Because people are here to help. And you, I swear, you are not alone. There are thrice people out there, times however many, ready to join you.

[C]

Thrice.

[A]

Thrice plus.

[C]

But Q is enough. That's right.

[A]

That's right. So that is my message for you all. I am so grateful for my guests tonight. Tracy, Christa and Madison playing our Ho Ho holiday games. We wish you a safe and happy holiday season. But even if it's not happy, knowing we're together in this is really meaningful. So thank you, ladies. Appreciate you and wishing you all the best. Happy holidays.

[E]

Thank you so much. Happy holidays, everybody.

[B]

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