Podcast Summary: OCD Recovery with Ali Greymond

Episode: OCD Training - Is This OCD Or Bipolar?
Date: September 6, 2025
Host: Ali Greymond

Episode Overview

In this concise, focused episode, Ali Greymond addresses a common concern among individuals recovering from OCD: the fear that their symptoms might be indicative of bipolar disorder rather than OCD. Drawing on nearly two decades of recovery coaching and her own lived experience, Ali clarifies the distinctions between OCD and bipolar disorder, reassures listeners about the nature of their OCD symptoms, and offers insightful guidance for managing intrusive doubts about diagnosis.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Common Fear: "What if this isn't OCD, but Bipolar?"

• Many people in OCD recovery experience confusion regarding their diagnosis, particularly when they notice cyclical "ups and downs" in their mood or symptoms.
  • Ali explains (00:14): “A common question people have is what if this is not OCD and is actually a bipolar disorder? … There’s a lot of ups and downs with OCD.”

2. Comparing OCD and Bipolar 'Highs and Lows'

• OCD Lows: Triggered by obsessive thoughts and compulsive behavior, with periods of relative calm in between.
• Bipolar Highs/Lows: Distinct episodes of extreme mood, not linked to triggering events, obsessions, or compulsions.
  • Ali elaborates (00:35): “With ocd, you can perceive it as also extreme lows and then a moment between triggers where nothing is really going on. So you kind of feel more or less normal and then you get another trigger and then you fall into an OCD trap again.”
  • Ali clarifies (01:05): “But sometimes it, this idea of what if this is actually bipolar, can trigger people. So no, it’s not bipolar, it’s ocd. It can seem the same, but the highs and the lows with bipolar have nothing to do with triggers or obsessions or compulsions or avoidances.”

3. Recognizing an OCD Recovery Milestone

• As recovery progresses, sufferers may notice "normal" days between triggers. Rather than a sign of bipolar, this is a common part of OCD improvement:
  • Ali notes (00:56): “Especially as you start to come out of OCD, you might see that most of your days are okay…now you’re kind of part time, triggered on part time schedule. OCD has put you on, which actually is a good thing.”

4. How to Respond to Intrusive Doubts about Diagnosis

• Treat doubts about being bipolar as part of the OCD rumination cycle. The recommended approach is to label these thoughts as OCD and reduce rumination:
  • Ali advises (01:35): “If you’re ruminating about it, treat it as OCD rumination, track and reduce. Don’t allow yourself to think about it. If you’re doubting, if you’re questioning ‘what if this is actually bipolar?’—this is how OCD shows up. Treat it as OCD.”

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On why OCD ups and downs are often misinterpreted:
  “With ocd, you can perceive it as also extreme lows … then you get another trigger and then you fall into an OCD trap again.” (Ali Greymond, 00:35)

• On positive signs in recovery:
  “You used to have OCD all the time…now you’re kind of part-time triggered on part-time schedule. OCD has put you on, which actually is a good thing.” (Ali Greymond, 00:56)

• On managing 'what if' thoughts:
  “Treat it as OCD rumination, track and reduce. Don’t allow yourself to think about it.” (Ali Greymond, 01:35)

Important Segments & Timestamps

• [00:14] – Introduction of the main question: “What if this is bipolar, not OCD?”
• [00:35] – Explaining the difference between OCD “ups and downs” and bipolar episodes
• [00:56] – Perspective on progress in OCD recovery and why symptom changes are not bipolar
• [01:35] – Direct advice on treating diagnostic doubts as OCD rumination

Tone and Approach

Ali Greymond maintains a calming, direct, and reassuring tone throughout the episode. She validates listeners’ concerns while providing clear, actionable advice without judgment or unnecessary complexity.

Summary Takeaway

If you’re questioning whether your experiences are OCD or bipolar, Ali’s guidance is clear: The cyclical nature of OCD symptoms is linked to triggering events and recovery progress—not a sign of bipolar disorder. When intrusive doubts arise about diagnosis, treat them as OCD thoughts and continue on the recovery path.