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Episode: Andrew Ross Sorkin on the Stock Market Crash That Shattered America
Date: October 13, 2025
Hosts: Joe Weisenthal & Tracy Alloway (Bloomberg)
Guest: Andrew Ross Sorkin, journalist and author of 1929: Inside the Greatest Crash in History and How It Shattered a Nation

Episode Overview

In this episode, Joe Weisenthal and Tracy Alloway dive into the lessons, personalities, and enduring legacies of the 1929 stock market crash with Andrew Ross Sorkin, whose new book explores the crash’s human drama and societal impact. The conversation moves from the texture of the roaring '20s boom, through the devastation of the crash, examining historic parallels with today’s financial culture, regulatory environment, technological change, and the psychology of speculation. Sorkin shares his research journey, insights into leading figures of the era, and reflects on the nature of financial crises.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Cultural Shift Toward Speculation

• The hosts open by observing that financial speculation has become pop culture in today’s society, similar to the 1920s:
  • "It's a culture of lines, lines going up. People watch the lines." (Tracy Alloway, 02:15)
• Sorkin draws parallels between the normalization of stock speculation then and now, noting how in both eras, buying stocks became accessible and part of daily conversation.

2. Why Revisit the 1929 Crash?

• Sorkin describes his motivation to write a more character-driven, human, granular account of the 1929 crash:
  • “Why can't I understand who the characters are? Like, what were they saying, what were their motivations, who was sleeping with who, what was really happening here?” (Andrew Ross Sorkin, 04:37)
• He aimed to make the events and people of 1929 as vivid as modern financial stories, despite the difficulty of sourcing archives and direct testimony.

3. The Key Characters of 1929

• Sorkin highlights three main figures:
  • Charles “Charlie” Mitchell: Head of National City (future Citigroup), creator of mass retail leverage for stock buying, difficult to research due to limited archives.
    • “He effectively invented sort of modern credit for lending... to go and buy stock.” (Andrew Ross Sorkin, 07:09)
  • John J. Raskob: Compared to Elon Musk for his visionary influence and risk taking; advocated for consumer credit, the 5-day work week, and grand projects like the Empire State Building.
  • Carter Glass: Senator, namesake of Glass-Steagall Act, vocal critic of Mitchell’s leverage-driven finance—likened to an Elizabeth Warren figure.

4. The 1920s Financial Boom & Modern Parallels

• The hosts and Sorkin explore how new forms of consumer credit and retail leverage fueled market mania, drawing parallels to crypto, meme stocks, and today’s AI:
  • “Brokerages were springing up on the corners of streets. The way they're like Starbucks in New York City.” (Sorkin, 09:53)
  • The age’s "Nvidia" was RCA, driven not just by technology but by explosive, unchecked hype.

5. Information, Technology, & Disruption

• Sorkin describes how, in 1929, trading infrastructure lagged behind explosion in retail trading—news and pricing were hours out of date, information asymmetry was rampant.
  • “You could be looking at the board thinking...what the prices of the stock is, but it would literally be hours off.” (Sorkin, 27:31)
  • Jesse Livermore, the era’s most legendary trader, built advanced private phone lines for information advantage (the “Ken Griffin” of his day).

6. Human Drama & Pop Culture Crossovers

• Notable personalities like Winston Churchill (obsessed with margin trading) and Groucho Marx (lost his house to margin calls) feature in Sorkin’s book and the conversation, underlining how ubiquitous and intoxicating the bull market became.
  • “Winston Churchill shows up in New York...down on the floor of the stock exchange...he ends up losing money. Of course, like everybody else.” (Sorkin, 13:22)
  • This human angle grounds the crash’s historic scale in relatable terms.

7. Crisis, Leverage, and Regulatory Lessons

• Sorkin, Alloway, and Weisenthal probe why the crash led to the Great Depression—bad policy responses (tariffs, lack of Fed action, regulatory vacuum), the spiral of leverage, and the psychological after-effects.
  • “Every financial crisis is a function of one thing. Is leverage in the system. Too much leverage.” (Sorkin, 40:44)

8. Parallels and Cautions for Today

• The group debates drawing modern lessons—Sorkin advises caution but notes rising levels of retail risk-taking, product innovation, and diminishing guardrails as reasons for concern.
  • "We’re living in a moment right now...where some of those guardrails are almost purposely being taken away." (Sorkin, 41:23)
• They also discuss CEOs' current unease with the political and regulatory climate, particularly under the Trump administration, and the recurring theme of overconfidence in the government or “right people” to avert disaster.

9. Information Transparency & Manipulation

• Sorkin points out the profound lack of disclosure in 1929:
  • “Pre the creation of the SEC...rules and regulations and just disclosures just didn’t exist.” (Sorkin, 12:22)
• He details how journalists were often paid off to promote stocks, highlighting the era’s extreme conflict of interest and absence of ethical guardrails.

10. Lasting Societal Psyche Shift

• Sorkin relates personal family anecdotes to illuminate the generational trauma:
  • "My grandfather...watched somebody jump out of a window. And...he never bought a share of stock in his entire life." (Sorkin, 37:17)
• The crash, Sorkin argues, “shattered a nation” by deeply impacting trust in the market and economic system—effects that lasted for decades.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “This is the Nvidia of the time. This is the Cathie Wood of the time.”
  — Joe Weisenthal, 18:11 (on drawing analogies between 1929 tech hype and 2020s)

• "People were literally going up to reporters...here’s money and please write an article saying such and such stock is bound to move higher tomorrow because some rumor."
  — Andrew Ross Sorkin, 32:01 (on historic market manipulation)

• “Every financial crisis...is leverage in the system. Too much leverage. …the human condition is to want more.”
  — Andrew Ross Sorkin, 40:44

• “We still have four years. Four more years. This is not financial advice.”
  — Joe Weisenthal, 24:45 (humorously referencing the 100th anniversary of the 1929 crash)

• "She was an astrologer...taken shockingly seriously at that time by all sorts of financiers...she would literally sit inside the Plaza Hotel, and people would come up...she wasn’t doing one on ones at that point because...the groups were so big."
  — Andrew Ross Sorkin, 25:38 (on Evangeline Adams, celebrity astrologer)

Important Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:00-03:06] — The normalization/pop culture of speculation
• [04:25-06:22] — Why Sorkin wrote the book and the research challenge
• [06:46-09:22] — Profiles of Charlie Mitchell, Raskob, and Carter Glass
• [09:53-11:38] — How leverage and consumer credit fueled the bull market
• [13:02-14:07] — Pop culture figures consumed by the market: Churchill, Groucho Marx
• [16:33-17:40] — Jesse Livermore: myth, success, and tragedy
• [20:07-21:56] — Policy dominoes that led from crash to depression
• [27:31-29:01] — Technology limits and information delays in 1929 trading
• [32:49-33:41] — Investment trusts as “Russian dolls of leverage”
• [37:01-38:18] — Personal/familial impacts and how the crash “shattered a nation”
• [40:44-41:42] — Sorkin’s central lesson: leverage, regulation, and human nature

Tone & Style

The conversation is witty, curious, and at times irreverent—“We want cameos!”—but deeply serious about history’s echoes, the enduring risks of financial innovation, and the sometimes tragic results of manias, leverage, and regulatory lapses. Sorkin balances anecdote-rich storytelling with wonky insight, and the hosts regularly inject pop culture references and parallels to 2020s market conditions.

Final Thoughts

This episode is essential listening for anyone interested in financial history, market psychology, or the roots and ramifications of bubbles and crashes. Sorkin’s book—and this conversation—serves as both vibrant storytelling and a cautionary reminder of the persistent dangers when leverage, optimism, and regulatory blind spots converge.