Odd Lots Podcast Summary Episode: The Last Time Investors Really Got Excited For Tech Infrastructure
Release Date: March 28, 2025
Host/Author: Bloomberg's Joe Weisenthal and Tracy Alloway

Introduction: Revisiting the Telecom Bubble

In this episode of Odd Lots, hosts Jill Wiesenthal and Tracy Alloway delve into the historical parallels between the late 1990s telecom bubble and today's fervent investments in AI infrastructure. They explore the regulatory landscape, investor behavior, and the lessons that the present AI boom can learn from past financial exuberance.

Historical Context: The Telecom Bubble of the Late 90s

Key Discussion Points:

• Deregulation and the Telecommunications Act of 1996:
  The conversation begins with an examination of the Telecommunications Act of 1996, a pivotal moment that reshaped the telecom landscape by promoting digital competition. Tracy Alloway explains, “[...] the real idea behind it was to make everything digital so they all compete with each other” (09:20).

• Impact of Deregulation:
  Tracy highlights the Act's significant impact, including wireless number portability and access charges, which fostered competition and spurred infrastructure investment. “We have faster, cheaper, better communications through competition than we've ever had,” she asserts (11:43).

• Investment Surge and Capital Expenditures:
  Jill Wiesenthal draws parallels between the telecom infrastructure investments of the 90s and today's AI-driven capital expenditures. “Five years ago, this was a vast checkerboard of potato farms on New York's Long Island...today, this is Levittown,” she narrates (02:24), setting the stage for a deeper comparison.

Notable Quote:

“By going digital, we have faster, cheaper, better communications through competition than we've ever had.” – Tracy Alloway (09:20)

Investor Enthusiasm and Market Dynamics

Key Discussion Points:

• Investor Behavior During the Bubble:
  The episode delves into why investors were eager to fund the expensive telecom infrastructure. Tracy explains, “At the beginning of any new really big thing, there was a lot of money going into car companies...in the case of telecom, what happened was we were deregulating and increasing this digital competition” (17:11).

• Debt-Fueled Growth and Subsequent Challenges:
  The hosts discuss how the telecom boom was largely financed through substantial debt, leading to vulnerabilities when market expectations weren’t met. “Those networks still exist. And those are the networks which actually made Google and Facebook and others lots of money when they bought them on the cheap years later,” Jill notes (19:37).

• Bursting the Bubble and Market Realities:
  Tracy recounts the pivotal moment post-AOL-Time Warner merger that signaled the beginning of the bubble's end. “The application started to fold. And then about a year later, a lot of the data network started to fold,” she states (20:27).

Notable Quote:

“We have these really well established companies, Amazon, Microsoft, Alphabet, Meta who are in this space. One answer to it would be the cloud guys. I think cloud is just going to be incredibly important in all of this and they win no matter what.” – Tracy Alloway (30:04)

Parallels to the Current AI Infrastructure Boom

Key Discussion Points:

• AI Investment Surge:
  The hosts draw parallels between the 90s telecom infrastructure investments and today's AI-driven capital expenditures. Jill points out, “Other people could debate whether there is an AI bubble happening right now, but there is certainly an AI boom in terms of infrastructure spending” (08:18).

• Shift in Investor Expectations:
  Comparing past and present, they discuss how investor focus has shifted from pure growth to monetization. Jill states, “[...] investors start saying, actually you need to monetize this and you need to kind of show us where the money is” (21:35).

• Sustainability of Current Investments:
  Tracy emphasizes the enduring value of infrastructure investments while cautioning about the sustainability of application-driven growth. “Infrastructure always has value. But it's also true that as every real estate developer knows, it's often the third owner who actually makes the money,” she explains (28:30).

Notable Quotes:

“If you're giving prey, you want to go and get it.” – Jill Wiesenthal (04:49)

“The return on scale is tremendous.” – Tracy Alloway (30:04)

Insights from Blair Levin: The Policy Advisor's Perspective

In a recorded live segment from Washington D.C., Blair Levin, a policy advisor at New Street Research and former chief of staff at the FCC, shares his firsthand experience during the telecom deregulation era.

Key Insights:

• Regulatory Strategy and Implementation:
  Blair discusses the aggressive regulatory deadlines set by the FCC to enforce the Telecommunications Act, which accelerated infrastructure development. Tracy adds, “We felt enormously energized and pressured. The heating bill at the FCC for like, one month was like an extra $400,000” (26:27).

• Challenges and Setbacks:
  He recounts the setbacks, including failed mergers and political opposition, which ultimately hindered the full realization of the Act’s competitive goals.

• Lessons for Today:
  Blair emphasizes the importance of regulatory frameworks in shaping industry outcomes and the potential pitfalls when policy lags behind technological advancements.

Notable Quote:

“I view it as a success...by going digital, we have faster, cheaper, better communications through competition than we've ever had.” – Tracy Alloway (10:00)

Takeaways and Future Implications

Key Discussion Points:

• Infrastructure vs. Applications:
  The hosts differentiate between the sustainability of infrastructure investments versus the volatility of application-driven companies. Tracy notes, “Data centers are going to have value forever,” highlighting the long-term importance of foundational technologies (30:04).

• Dominance of Established Tech Giants:
  They discuss how major players like Amazon, Microsoft, Alphabet, and Meta dominate the current AI infrastructure space, similar to how established telecom companies weathered the past bubble.

• Monetization and Market Consolidation:
  The episode concludes with reflections on how successful monetization strategies and market consolidation by tech giants may shape the future of AI infrastructure investments.

Notable Quote:

“If you capture that the market, the return on scale is tremendous.” – Tracy Alloway (30:04)

Conclusion

Jill Wiesenthal and Tracy Alloway wrap up the episode by emphasizing the cyclical nature of technological booms and busts. By understanding the successes and failures of the telecom bubble, investors and policymakers can better navigate the current AI infrastructure landscape. The episode serves as a cautionary tale and a guide for strategic investment in emerging technologies.

Additional Resources:

• Listen to Levittown: A new podcast series from Bloomberg, iHeart Podcasts, and Kaleidoscope, exploring the battle against deepfakes.
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  • Joe Weisenthal: Twitter
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