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Episode: War in Iran Is Already Reshaping East Asia's Energy Future

Hosts: Joe Weisenthal & Tracy Alloway (Bloomberg)
Guest: Alex Turnbull (Investor, Researcher at Australia National University)
Date: April 15, 2026

Overview

This episode examines how escalated conflict in Iran and the Middle East—particularly the closure of the Strait of Hormuz—is causing acute energy supply disruptions in East Asia. Special guest Alex Turnbull, based in Singapore and a specialist in energy security, joins to detail real-time regional impacts, emerging market dynamics, and the broader implications for global energy, decarbonization, and geopolitics.

The War’s Immediate Market Impact

[01:24–04:52]

• Partial ceasefire: Despite headlines, real cessation of fighting is minimal; regional conflict continues.
• Strait of Hormuz effect: Practically closed, with ship traffic down to a trickle ("two as of today") and significant portions of global oil supply blocked.
• Oil and refined products: Prices (WTI, Brent) are up but less dramatically than expected given the scale of disruption. Refined products, especially in East Asia (e.g., Singapore jet fuel), are seeing more extreme effects.
• Notable quote – Tracy Alloway [03:43]:
  "We're seeing a lot of these types of headlines, some in Korea, some Thailand, etc. ... the big question is whether or not the East... scrambles even harder to adapt to this."
• Essential question: Will this disruption accelerate coal mining, decarbonization, or boost American LNG demand?

Asia’s Exposure & Energy Crunch

[05:27–10:03]

• Asia’s vulnerability: Major crude importer, heavily dependent on Middle East supply; limited domestic production.
• Economic distress: Countries like the Philippines and Vietnam are facing acute refinery shutdown risks due to lack of supply, credit constraints, and surging spot prices.
• Demand destruction: Already appearing in lower-income countries—those unable to outbid on scarce energy are seeing the "lights go off."
• Refining margins: Many Asian refiners (especially smaller "teapot" Chinese ones) hit negative margins, but are sometimes required to stay online due to government mandates.

Alternative Supplies: Russia and US LNG

[11:20–15:54]

• US LNG: Flows to Asia are ramping up as the willingness to pay outstrips Europe’s; risk of panic if the crisis persists into summer.
• Russian crude: Previously unsold Russian oil had acted as a buffer, now largely absorbed by China and India.
• China’s strategic position: Export controls on oil products, selective support based on geopolitical strategy (notably concerning territorial disputes with neighbors).

Accelerated Decarbonization and Coal’s Comeback

[16:11–21:31]

• Push for alternatives:
  • Japan and Korea accelerating nuclear restarts ("Japan will push very hard... the public polling is really strong for it" – Alex Turnbull, [16:38]).
  • China pushing to reduce LNG use in chemicals; EV demand is surging, with dealership inventory turnover dropping from weeks to just days in many Asian markets.
• Notable quote – Alex Turnbull [18:23]:
  "We're down to single digit days in most places now. So anything China can produce out of the EV sector, I think will get sold this year."
• Coal remains reliable: In Asia, especially with coal primarily sourced from countries not reliant on energy chokepoints (China, India, Australia, South Africa), there's "a bit of a comeback" given current vulnerabilities.
• Notable quote – Turnbull [19:43]:
  "In a pinch, and currently I think coal is going to have a bit of a comeback for that reason alone."

Solar, Storage, and Regional Shifts

[21:48–24:34]

• Best alternatives depend on geography:
  • Solar + storage for equatorial/sunny locations.
  • Wind for higher-latitude regions.
• Australia as a model:
  • Government-pushed residential batteries are "crushing" the high-price intraday peaks.
  • Result: Gas-fired generation much less often sets market prices; price impacts from this shock are less severe than in 2022.
• Notable quote – Turnbull [21:48]:
  "Solar is crazy cheap... batteries are also pretty cheap. That's hard to beat."

East vs. West: Market Divergence and Global Flows

[24:57–27:53]

• Market divide: East of Suez faces acute supply problems, while the West is relatively insulated—for now.
• Fluid boundaries: Asian buyers already outbidding European LNG buyers, redirecting tanker flows. Any sustained crisis will eventually translate to Western markets through higher prices and tighter supply.

The Future of US LNG and Energy Independence

[27:53–29:34]

• US LNG “forever growth” in question:
  • Rising costs of gas turbines, infrastructure, and volatility make LNG less attractive for new power investments.
  • Geopolitical risks (e.g., more attacks along supply routes) underscore instability.
• Key insight – Turnbull [29:23]:
  "Maybe a country just decides, ‘I don't want this. ... I'd like something boring, please.’"

Singapore’s View on the Ground

[29:34–30:59]

• High stress among energy traders: Physical market is "extraordinarily stressed" while equities appear divorced from real-world chaos.
• Wartime mentality: Deep policy concern; Singapore’s historical experience with energy insecurity informs government and business outlook.

Geopolitical Fallout and the US-Asia Relationship

[31:49–34:45]

• US unpredictability: Perception that American politics—especially on the Republican side—yields damaging global volatility; drives Asian interest in greater self-reliance and insulation from US shocks.
• Implications: Heightened focus on food, fuel, and material flow security may push countries away from reliance on US energy exports and toward local or regional alternatives.
• China’s alternative: Emerging as a pragmatic—if occasionally coercive—option for energy diplomacy in the region.
• Notable quote – Turnbull [34:45]:
  "All the pimps are bad. We need more Pam Bria." (metaphor for rejecting great power patronage in favor of autonomy)

Concluding Reflections

[36:17–38:52]

• US energy independence questioned: Actual self-sufficiency may be overstated, with global linkages more profound and fragile than "hashtag blessed" politics suggest.
• Political will: Crises are accelerating public support for nuclear power and adoption of alternatives.
• Lesson for diplomacy: “Strength matters”—in dealing with both the US and China, resolve and leverage may be more effective than passive alignment.

Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• On Asia’s exposure:
  “Frankly. The challenge right now for Asia is that most of their crude supply does come from the Middle East... Asia is very heavily exposed right now.” – Alex Turnbull [05:59]

• On China’s role:
  “There’s more or less a control on exports of oil products right now, which is not very helpful for the region...” – Alex Turnbull [15:30]

• On decarbonization after crisis:
  “Japan will push very hard on nuclear restarts and more importantly the public polling is really strong for it.” – Alex Turnbull [16:38]

• On coal’s comeback:
  “Currently I think coal is going to have a bit of a comeback for that reason alone.” – Alex Turnbull [19:43]

• On the future of US LNG:
  “There is this geopolitical risk attached to supply from the Middle East. ... Is this really what I want to build my power grid on? And the answer is probably not.” – Alex Turnbull [27:53]

• On regional autonomy:
  “All the pimps are bad. We need more Pam Bria.” – Alex Turnbull [34:45]

• On lessons for global diplomacy:
  “Maybe the lesson is that sort of like biding your time and trying to be friendly and obsequious. Maybe that's not the answer. Maybe stronger lines are the answer for global diplomacy right now.” – Joe Weisenthal [38:50]

Episode Flow – Key Timestamps

• [01:24–04:52] War update, Strait of Hormuz situation, market anomalies
• [05:27–10:03] Asia’s immediate energy shock: refineries, rationing, and demand destruction
• [11:20–15:54] Status of US LNG and Russian oil in the Asian market; China’s maneuvering
• [16:11–21:31] Decarbonization acceleration, EV boom, coal’s resurgence
• [21:48–24:34] Solar, batteries, and storage—regional alternative energy prospects
• [24:57–27:53] East/West divide and global market seepage
• [27:53–29:34] Challenges for US LNG’s infinite growth story
• [29:34–30:59] On the ground in Singapore: industry anxiety, government vigilance
• [31:49–34:45] Geopolitical fallout: realignment and lessons for mid-sized powers
• [36:17–38:52] US energy independence: myth vs. reality, and the politics of energy transition

This episode delivers a detailed, on-the-ground account of how Middle East conflict is rapidly reshaping energy, politics, and decarbonization trajectories across Asia, with profound ramifications for global markets, alliances, and the supposed security of "energy independence."