Second Drink: Stress Relief Pt 2

Summary

Office Ladies: Second Drink – Stress Relief Pt 2

Podcast Date: June 22, 2026
Hosts: Jenna Fischer & Angela Kinsey
Main Theme:
A deep dive into “Stress Relief” Part 2 from The Office (Season 5, Episode 15), featuring behind-the-scenes stories about the iconic roast of Michael Scott, production trivia, extended/deleted scenes, and personal anecdotes from cast and crew. Jenna and Angela blend Office lore with friend-chat banter, delivering exclusive tidbits, writing process insights, and stories of legendary guest stars.

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Episode Structure

• Opening Recap & Tone Setting
• Plot & Storyline Expansion
• Behind the Scenes: The Roast
• Legend Spotlight: Cloris Leachman
• Production Notes & Deleted Scenes
• Candy Bag (alternate jokes/scripts)
• Listener Questions & Deep Dives
• Cast/Crew Cameos & Anecdotes
• Heartfelt Moments & Iconic Quotes

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Introduction & Recap (02:04–03:33)

• Stanley returns to work post-heart attack, coworkers hover over him causing more stress than comfort.
• (03:12) Jenna: “Since this happened, I haven't had a single moment where I haven't been reminded that I'm sick and probably gonna die in this office. Not one single moment.”
• This scenario sets up Michael’s idea for hosting a roast to lighten the office mood.

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The Superfan Episode: Extra Stanley Scene (03:57–05:19)

• Discussion of a deleted scene involving Michael and Dwight:
  • Dwight collects apologies for his fire drill.
  • Michael accidentally pockets Dwight’s pen (“Washington Mutual” with a chain), Dwight protests, “You just put my pen in your pocket.” (04:51)
  • Angela: “That is the stuff I love the most. I'm so sad that wasn’t in the original.”

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Oscar’s Spanish Roast: Fan Translation & Context (05:40–07:00)

• Listener request: Translate Oscar’s extended roast.
• Angela: “I get an ulcer every time I wake up and have to come to work for you. For you.”
  • Oscar’s joke: Michael gives him literal stomach ulcers.

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Michael’s Roast: Writing Process & Origins (07:00–13:42)

• All jokes were scripted by the writers; none were improvised by cast.
• Origin of the roast provided by Halsted Sullivan—based on his dad’s medical school follies shows.
• Explains cultural origins: Friars Club, Comedy Central’s influence on roast tradition.
• Jenna recommends the Ed Norton/Bruce Willis roast: “I went back, and I watched it twice. I wish I could play it. It's way too long. It's so good.” (13:41)
• Cloris Leachman is celebrated for her legendary status; the ladies recount her fascinating career, accolades, and quick behind-the-scenes vignettes.
  • Angela’s memory of co-presenting an award with Leachman: “She truly was such a hoot. She... gave, as the kids say, 0 Fs.” (17:50)

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Plot Points & Storyline Commentary (21:13–25:13)

• The drama of Pam’s parents’ marriage and divorce—used to add emotional tension post-Super Bowl airing.
• Discussions about acting “funny mad” in multicam versus single-camera sitcoms; real-life acting lessons from sitcom legends.

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Planning the Roast: Behind the Scenes & Deleted Scenes (25:13–29:34)

• Michael and Dwight have a mini bottle of booze—possible running gag connection to earlier deleted scenes.
• Daryl and Dwight unofficially become the event planners due to the missing Party Planning Committee (PPC).
  • Deleted scene: Michael requests a stage, a throne, and an enlarged photo for the roast.
  • Jenna: “He’s planning out that this is gonna be so funny, he’s gonna need to spit out his drink.” (28:43)

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The Roast Unfolds: Bit by Bit (32:29–41:33)

• Angela (the character) delivers roast jokes mimicking Jeff Foxworthy’s style:
  • "If you ever put sunblock on a window, you might be Michael Scott." (33:02)
• Kelly has a joke about Michael dying his hair, not included in the aired episode.
• Oscar’s roast, partially in Spanish (again referencing translation).
• Highlight: Meredith’s most biting line: “Michael, you're the reason I drink. You're the reason I live to forget.” (34:28)
• Jan dials in to roast Michael: “You ruined my life... used my daughter's christening gown as a bib.”
• Jim recites Michael’s bungled expressions.
• Dwight tries to defend Michael onstage, but Michael calls him an idiot: “You have no friends, no family, and no land.” (37:39)
• Pam’s joke about Michael’s penis—ultimately delivered as a throwaway line per network/cast feedback.
  • iPod Shuffle reference explained for listeners.

Notable Quotes:

• [38:59] Jenna: “We did this a few ways... They thought, this is kind of a low blow, right?... Ended up making it a throwaway.”
• [40:27] Darryl’s cringe joke: “If you’re family, you know everyone’s names. What’s that guy’s name?” Michael forgets.
• [40:37] Andy’s Song: “What I hate about you / you really suck as a boss / you’re the losiest, jerkiest and you’re dumber than applesauce... That’s what I hate about you!”

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Michael’s Reaction & Recovery (41:33–42:46)

• Michael is genuinely hurt, described as possibly on the verge of tears.
• Creed’s classic line (“What’s a text?”) breaks the cast (42:30).
• The next day, Michael is missing from the office—sitting alone at a playground, feeding birds with bread, in a black turtleneck. (“Sleekest he’s ever looked.”)
• Deleted scenes: Michael talking to kids, attempting basketball.
• Jenna: “This was North Hollywood Community center park, where we shot this little bit of Steve and his turtleneck.” (43:03)

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Iconic “Boom, Roasted” Scene & Its Origin (51:26–55:40)

• Who wrote “Boom, Roasted”? Writers room detective work reveals it was Charlie Grandy (confirmed by Jen Salata).
• Michael delivers brutal one-liners to the staff:
  • “Jim, you’re 6'11 and you weigh 90 pounds. Gumby has a better body than you. Boom. Roasted.” (53:05)
  • “Pam, you failed art school. Boom. Roasted.”
  • “Meredith, you've slept with so many guys, you've started to look like one. Boom. Roasted.”
  • “Angela, I didn’t see you behind that grain of rice. Boom. Roasted.”
  • “Stanley, you crush your wife during sex, and your heart sucks. Boom. Roasted.”
  • “Oscar, you are gay. Boom. Roasted.”
  • “Andy, Cornell called. They think you suck, and you're gayer than Oscar. Boom. Roasted.”
• Office erupts in laughter, particularly Stanley, which signals resolution and group catharsis.
• Michael’s sarcastic but warm wrap-up: “They say that laughter is the best medicine. So Stanley, you can throw away those pills. You are cured. Actually, you know what? You better hold on to those pills just in case.” (54:18)

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Detailed Deleted Scenes & Alternate Jokes (Candy Bag) (54:23–55:40)

• Writers had reams of alternate roast jokes, especially for Angela’s “grain of rice” running gag and Toby.
  • Example: “Toby, you. I hope you die. Boom. Roasted.” (55:40)

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Mini-Movie: Mrs. Albert Hannaday – Behind the Scenes (46:29–51:14)

• Jim, Pam, and Andy’s subplot: Watching a bootleg film starring Jack Black and Cloris Leachman.
• Fun fact: Scenes were filmed on location, shot on film (not digital) for an authentic “movie” look; extensive storyboarding and rehearsal for tight schedule.
• Cameo: Writer’s assistant Nate Federman plays Cloris Leachman's young lover after celebs passed. Nate recounts his anxiety and Cloris’s legendary confidence.
  • [59:54] Nate: “She gets real serious… She goes, ‘When they call action, I want you to grab my ass and really get up in the crack.’”
• Jenna and Angela talk actor etiquette, on-screen intimacy, and memorable guest stars.

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Heartfelt Moments (50:29–51:26)

• Pam’s iconic talking head:
  • “When you’re young you assume your parents are soulmates. Her [Pam’s] kids are going to be right about that.” (50:35)
• Andy’s runner about never being “insightful enough to be a movie critic.”
• Jenna and Angela: Reflections on the blend of comedy and sincerity in The Office’s writing and acting.

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Listener Questions & Behind the Scenes

• Q: Was Pam’s parents’ divorce meant as set-up for the Michael/Helene storyline?
  A: No, it was a one-off drama for the Super Bowl episode, intended not to affect main relationships.

• Q: Who planned the roast?
  A: In deleted scenes, Daryl and Dwight unofficially become planners due to a temporarily disbanded PPC.

• Q: What did Pam say to her dad in the parking lot?
  A: No actual scripted lines—actors improvised silent emotional beats.

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Crew Cameos & Office Easter Eggs (44:14–46:29)

• The delivery man asking Phyllis to sign for a package is producer James Carey—unannounced crew cameos were a tradition.
• Fun logistics note: The clipboard/chain gag is a callback from earlier jokes.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• [17:50] Angela (on Cloris Leachman): “She... gave, as the kids say, 0 Fs.”
• [19:43] Creed (on Michael’s absence): “Give it up. He’s dead.” (Classic Creed deadpan.)
• [53:49] Michael: “Angela, where’s Angela? Oh, there you are. I didn’t see you there behind that grain of rice. Boom. Roasted.”
• [54:17] Jenna: “Michael is very good at roasting, I guess.”
• [59:54] Nate (on Cloris Leachman): “When they call action, I want you to grab my ass and really get up in the crack.”

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Episode Wrap-Up & Closing Thoughts (61:41–62:19)

• Jenna and Angela riff on “stress relief,” the enduring power of the “Boom, Roasted” catchphrase, and the legacy of blending heart and humor.
• [61:59] Angela: “If we can leave anything from stress relief other than boom. Roasted, it’s: ah, ah, ah, ah. Stayin’ alive…”

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Key Takeaways

• The Office’s roast episode was a carefully scripted, writer-driven labor of love inspired by real-life traditions.
• “Boom, Roasted” is the brainchild of writer Charlie Grandy.
• The writers’ room produced hundreds of alternate insults; only the best (and most brutal) made the final cut.
• Office culture thrived on collaboration—ad-libbing, inside jokes, crew cameos—giving the show a lived-in authenticity.
• Cast and guest stars (especially Cloris Leachman) brought humor, heart, and unfiltered professionalism to even the most outrageous scenes.
• The blend of comedy and genuine emotional beats is a hallmark of both the show and this podcast.

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Suggested Listening/Viewing Order

• Office Ladies Second Drink: Stress Relief Pt 1
• The Office S5, Ep14-15 ("Stress Relief Part 1 & 2")
• (Optional) Comedy Central Roasts (as discussed by Jenna)
• Mrs. Albert Hannaday clip (if available)

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For Further Engagement

• Visit officeladies.com for fan questions & episode folders
• Check out the announced upcoming improv special: Rick Overton Set List (Comedy Dynamics)

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Next Week:
Lecture Circuit Part 1; more exclusive stories, more “had to be there” moments, and the next chapter of Dunder Mifflin memory-lane shenanigans!

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[Jenna Fischer]

You did?

[Guest/Other]

Thank you.

[Jenna Fischer]

What is that? It's three bean salad, cashew, and brussels sprouts.

[Angela Kinsey]

If you don't like it, you don't

[Jenna Fischer]

have to eat it.

[Guest/Other]

No, I appreciate it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Wow, you must be really freaked out to eat that.

[Angela Kinsey]

How long do you have to live anyway? Andy, please. Hey, Whoa.

[Guest/Other]

What's going on?

[Jenna Fischer]

Stanley, are you okay? I'm fine.

[Angela Kinsey]

God, Phyllis, did you take off your shoe? It's Stanley's lunch.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, no wonder you're dying. If you'll excuse me.

[Guest/Other]

Yep. Ready to go to the bathroom?

[Jenna Fischer]

I am not going to the bathroom. Will you please stop trying to help me? Stanley, we just want you to get better. How can I get better? Since this happened, I haven't had a single moment where I haven't been reminded that I'm sick and probably gonna die in this office. Not one single moment. They're just, like, all on top of him. They will not let him have a moment's peace.

[Angela Kinsey]

And they keep reminding him of everything. So it was after this exchange that Michael gets the idea that he needs to do a roast for his employees.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, he needs to lighten the mood. And what better way than to have a roast? So, you know, the way this episode would have started, lady, is like, Michael and Dwight. They're commiserating in Michael's office.

[Guest/Other]

Mm.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, the superfan episode has a tiny extension to that scene. Dwight is gonna hand Michael a pen and ask him to sign something. It's the thing where, like, Dwight's getting everybody's acknowledgment of his apology for setting the fire drill. And in the original episode, it just sort of cuts off right there. Like, Dwight hands him a pen and Michael signs it. But there's a little bit more, and it cracked me up, and I think we need to hear it. I don't get it. Do I stress you out? Nothing stresses me out except having to seek the approval of my inferiors. Speaking of which, Dwight, I am a good person. I'm a good person. Mm, you are. You're a good person.

[Guest/Other]

I'm a good person.

[Jenna Fischer]

Why can't they just see that? You just put my pen in your pocket.

[Angela Kinsey]

No, I didn't.

[Jenna Fischer]

I own all the pens in this place. No, I brought that in from home. It says Washington Mutual on it. It has a little piece of chain. Okay, empty your pockets. Meeting is over, Dwight. Jerk.

[Angela Kinsey]

You're a jerk. So that is the stuff I love the most. I'm so sad that wasn't in the original. I'm so glad it's back in.

[Jenna Fischer]

Lady. It's amazing. As soon as he signs the clipboard, he puts the pen in his pocket and Dwight calls him out. And it's hilarious because when he says it, says Washington Mutual has a little piece of chain now, you know, Dwight stole. Stole it from the bank. Michael is stealing it from Dwight.

[Angela Kinsey]

Dwight probably popped it off the chain at the bank counter.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, my gosh. That is too funny. I loved it. Okay, well, we also got this letter from Liz M from Philly, who says, just listen to stress relief, please. In a second drink, translate Oscar's roast. So in our original breakdown, we played the extended version of Oscar's roast. It starts in English and then goes into Spanish and. But we did not translate his roast. Why don't we hear it again just to refresh everyone's memory? And then I'll tell you what it says.

[Jenna Fischer]

He thinks balancing a checkbook is putting a checkbook on his nose and shouting, look at me, look at me. Okay, what is he saying, lady?

[Angela Kinsey]

So here's the thing, Liz. He is talking way too fast for me. The only part I could understand was para tea, para tea. But I went online, and according to the folks on the Internet who were able to translate it, here's what Oscar is saying. They give you kind of two versions. Quote, I get an ulcer every time I wake up and have to come to work for you. For you. Or optionally, you give me an ulcer every time I wake up and I have to come work for you. For you.

[Jenna Fischer]

So he gets an ulcer from Michael.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yep. Mm.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, speaking of the roast, in our breakdown, we mentioned that the candy bag for the roast was 207 pages. That's bonkers, lady. I think we need an episode of Office Lady 6.0 called boom. Roasted, where we dig into some of those alts.

[Angela Kinsey]

That would be really fun.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right, well, we'll get started on that. And for now, please enjoy your second drink of stress relief part two. I'm Jenna Fisher.

[Angela Kinsey]

And I'm Angela Kinsey.

[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

Each week, we will break down an episode of the Office and give exclusive behind the scenes stories that only two people who were there can tell you.

[Jenna Fischer]

We're the Office ladies. Welcome. Welcome. It's stress relief part two, part deux. Oh, is that. We're going to be very refined today.

[Angela Kinsey]

Part dos.

[Guest/Other]

Oh.

[Angela Kinsey]

Third Lady Indonesian. Part dua.

[Jenna Fischer]

We are a classy show. This is season five, episode 15, written by Paul Lieberstein, directed by Jeffrey Blitz. Let me give you a summary. Last week, if you remember, Dwight took matters into his own hands when his co workers failed to pay attention to his fire safety seminar. He did a big fire drill.

[Angela Kinsey]

He, like, trapped us in a burning building.

[Jenna Fischer]

He did. Stanley had a heart attack. Dwight was in hot water with corporate. We have that right. This week, Michael learned that he was the source of Stanley's stress. Not Dwight, not the fire drill. And so he thinks the best thing to do is to throw a roast.

[Angela Kinsey]

Like an old school roast.

[Jenna Fischer]

Right by himself. Right? Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Where we all roast him and we're

[Angela Kinsey]

until jokes at his expense.

[Guest/Other]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Drinking like Dean Martin.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. This is Friars Club. This is going to be his comic relief moment. Meanwhile, Jim is still embroiled in these marital issues that Pam's parents are having. Pam's dad has been staying with Jim and Pam, and Pam, at the end of the last episode, said, jim, will you talk to my dad? Pam, find out what's going on?

[Angela Kinsey]

That's the worst. Like, pam, will you go talk to my parents? Yeah, I can't do it. You go do it.

[Jenna Fischer]

I cannot imagine asking Lee to go talk to my parents about their marriage.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, my Lord.

[Jenna Fischer]

Could you imagine?

[Angela Kinsey]

No.

[Jenna Fischer]

That would be so weird.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know.

[Jenna Fischer]

Incidentally, my dad's name is Jim.

[Angela Kinsey]

Does the world know that? Because is someone out there right now being like, what?

[Jenna Fischer]

And my brother in law's name is Dwight. Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Do you guys know this?

[Jenna Fischer]

And my niece's name is Cece and

[Angela Kinsey]

her best friend is named Angela.

[Jenna Fischer]

What's going on? I think we mentioned this fact in an earlier podcast, but it is interesting.

[Angela Kinsey]

All right.

[Jenna Fischer]

Also, last week, I want to remind everyone that this episode played after the Super Bowl. It was a super big deal.

[Angela Kinsey]

Mm. And the network wanted big name stars, and our show was like, hey, no, we don't do that. Not at this moment. And so we had this whole little movie playing out. So that's going on too.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. Jim and Pam and Andy are watching this pirated movie that stars Jack Black, Jessica Alba, and Cloris Leachman.

[Angela Kinsey]

What happening?

[Jenna Fischer]

I think we caught you up.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. You're caught up fast.

[Jenna Fischer]

Fact number one, Jeff Blitz won an Emmy for directing this episode.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

And he deserves it.

[Angela Kinsey]

He does.

[Jenna Fischer]

This was complicated.

[Angela Kinsey]

So Jeff Blitz has been on our show before. We love him.

[Jenna Fischer]

I mean, I literally love Jeff Blitz. I know. I love him as a human being. I love him as a director. I would also like you to know that our Editors Dean Holland and Dave Rogers were also nominated for an Emmy for this episode.

[Angela Kinsey]

They deserve it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Dean edited the first half of the episode with the whole fire drill, and Dave edited the second with the roast, which is what we will be talking about today. Fast fact number two. We had a fan question about the roast.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

Jessica K. And Claire R. Asked who wrote the jokes for Michael's roast. Did the cast help? Was it the writers? Was any of it improvised? Short answer is the roast was totally scripted.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

We, as actors, did not participate in writing these jokes about one another.

[Angela Kinsey]

These were all written.

[Jenna Fischer]

All written. And I found out who pitched this part of the story, the idea of the roast, who it is none other than the man behind Princess Unicorn, Halstead Sullivan.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, really? Huh.

[Jenna Fischer]

Halstead told me that they had the CPR storyline for the first half of the episode, and they needed something for the second half. So he told the writers room that when he was growing up in Atlanta, his father was president of a medical school, and every year, the medical students would put on a show, and it was like kind of like a Follies show, and they would do skits where they imitated their professors. He said the audience loved it. The professors, not so much.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, you know, I think Michael thinks everyone doesn't like me because I'm this jerk. They think I'm a jerk boss. Right?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

So. So here's your chance, guys. Have at it. You know, roast me. Say whatever you want. I love that he's like, make fun of, you know, how great I look

[Jenna Fischer]

in shoulder pads or also, traditionally, roasting kind of started with the Friars Club, I believe, and it was a great honor to be the person being roasted.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

It meant something. It was a position of status. And so I think that's another thing that is playing off Michael right now, which is that he's going to be an honoree.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. This is a big deal. You guys are so lucky you get to roast me.

[Jenna Fischer]

Speaking of roasts, you know, Comedy Central has kind of taken over where the Friars Club left off, and they do these roasts of people every year. The Bruce Willis roast is real good, but in particular, Ed Norton roasts Bruce Willis. I was, like, rolling, tears streaming down my face. It is such a good roast. When we were prepping this episode, it came to my mind. I went back, and I watched it twice. I wish I could play it. It's way too long. It's so good.

[Angela Kinsey]

I want to see it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Check it out.

[Angela Kinsey]

The first time I saw Amy Schumer was on a comedy Central roast. And she was so funny. And there were a few dudes that were like, kind of throwing her shade, and she just decimated them.

[Jenna Fischer]

Wow. All right, moving along fast. Fact number three, Cloris Leachman.

[Angela Kinsey]

Cloris frickin Leachman.

[Jenna Fischer]

We told you. There's this mini movie, and Cloris leachman is one of the stars. She kills it in this mini movie.

[Angela Kinsey]

Legend. Legend.

[Jenna Fischer]

I mean, incredible. I needed to do a little breakdown of Cloris Leachman. Here it is. Cloris leachman was born in Des Moines, Iowa. Midwesterner.

[Angela Kinsey]

Did not know that.

[Jenna Fischer]

As a child, she performed at the Des Moines little theater. Then she won a special scholarship to study broadcast drama at Northwestern. She stayed there for a while, but then she returned to Des Moines to finish high school. Then she returned to Northwestern with a theater scholarship this time. But she dropped out again to enter a beauty contest. This beauty contest. She eventually made her way to the 1946 Miss America pageant. What? She was in the miss America pad for Iowa, I guess. For Iowa?

[Angela Kinsey]

Wow.

[Jenna Fischer]

I'm not sure. Eventually, she moved to New York. She studied at the actors studio. That's a big deal. Acting school, guys. Then she made her Broadway debut in 1948 in a production called Sundown beach. She became a household name when she was cast as Phyllis Lindstrom on the Mary Tyler Moore show. And then she had her own spin off show, Phyllis. She won a best supporting Oscar for Peter bogdanovich's the last picture show, Angela,

[Angela Kinsey]

which was written by Larry McMurtry, who is from my hometown of Archer city, Texas. And they filmed it in Archer City. And it was written by, you know, Larry never officially claimed it, but folks in Archer City, so they'd be like, were you so and so? Did you sleep with that person? What's happening?

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, so people were, like, trying to figure out who everybody was. Which person is Cybil Shepherd? Which person is Cloris Leachman?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, exactly. And Larry said it was inspired by,

[Jenna Fischer]

you know, I don't know. I feel like there's some woman named Doris who knows. She's like, it was me, Jenna.

[Angela Kinsey]

I actually read the last picture show a few years after I had left Archer City and I was in college. I was like, you know what? This is a book about my hometown. I want to read it. And it's so great. It's a great read.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's a great book and a great movie is what you're saying.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, so I'm saying, don't skip the book on this one, guys.

[Jenna Fischer]

Over the course of her career, she won a total of eight Emmys for both drama and comedy. By the way, she won a daytime Emmy. She won a Golden Globe award. And in 2008, at the age of 82, she was a contestant on season seven of Dancing with the Stars. She was the oldest contestant to ever dance on Dancing with the Stars and she was inducted into the Television Academy hall of fame in 2011. I mean, the legacy of this woman. Sadly, she passed away in 2021 at the age of 94 and she was on our show.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know this legend, legend, amazing woman. Jenna, did you know I got to spend a little bit of time with Cloris?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Now not during this episode.

[Angela Kinsey]

Not during this episode.

[Jenna Fischer]

Cause none of us met these guys during this episode.

[Angela Kinsey]

No, we didn't film when they were there, which was a bummer. But I ended up co presenting an award at the 2012 Genesis Awards with Cloris. We were co presenters.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh my gosh.

[Angela Kinsey]

We had to hang out backstage. I met her daughter Dinah, who is lovely. They were the cutest mother daughter duo. And then Cloris and I went out on stage together. We presented this award and she truly was such a hoot. She, I think was at the age in her life and in her career where she gave, as the kids say, 0 Fs.

[Jenna Fischer]

Uh huh.

[Angela Kinsey]

And then I would run into her and her daughter at different events and we would say hi because we had formed this little connection. Yeah. But anyway, she was just so fun and so full of life and I'm so glad I just got to just interact with her those few times.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, I love that story. Ange, why don't we take a break and we'll come back and break down this episode.

[Angela Kinsey]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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and you can find support and therapy. Sign up and get 10% off at betterhelp.com officeladies that's betterhelp.com officeladies we start this episode with Pam being kind of upset. She's just gotten off the phone with her mom and she's gonna go find Jim and say, hey, what did you say to my dad?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, her idea of having Jim talk to her dad did not go well. Apparently her dad is now looking for an apartment and the divorce is on.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's happening.

[Jenna Fischer]

Pam gets really worried. She has this talking head where she says, what could Jim have said to make my dad want to leave my mom? And at what point in their marriage is Jim gonna say this to her? She's spiraling.

[Angela Kinsey]

I think she's spiraling.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. I mean, that's a big leap.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's a big jump.

[Jenna Fischer]

But she's upset and she's scared.

[Angela Kinsey]

Right.

[Jenna Fischer]

We had a fan question from Sally K. Was the divorce of Jim's Parents, A setup for the Michael Helene relationship in season six. Helene is Pam's mom, everyone. No. This was crafted as a small representation of how our show had dramatic moments in addition to comedic ones. But because this aired after the super bowl, we wanted to stay away from existing storylines. So the writers had to create kind of like a brand new drama, but one that wouldn't go on to affect our regular characters too directly.

[Angela Kinsey]

Right. We didn't want anything in this episode to actually affect the character arcs and relationships that were set in place.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. So that was kind of why this storyline was crafted. And I remember John and I really fighting for the drama of this. Like, really saying, no, we want to play this. Real Pam is really upset. This isn't funny upset. Like, I remember when I was shooting a three camera show, I was supposed to get mad at one of the other characters and I supposed to call him a jerk. I was supposed to say, you're a jerk. And the director came over to me and he said, I'm so sorry. This is three camera. You need to do funny mad, not actual mad. Yeah, doing single camera mad.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, funny mad. Funny sad.

[Jenna Fischer]

He said, maybe go up at the end. You're a jerk.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

And I was like, oh, okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

Or stomp your foot.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, Something.

[Angela Kinsey]

Drop something on your toe and then go, ow, you're a jerk.

[Jenna Fischer]

Ow. Oh. See, this is why you were good at the three camera, Angela. I couldn't get it. I couldn't get it. So anyway, John and I were like, we're gonna do real upset and it's gonna be okay. Cause all the rest of the episode is gonna have the comedy.

[Angela Kinsey]

Mm. You know, the first three camera I did after the office, I played it really real and really quiet. It was a show called Hot in Cleveland. I was really excited to do it. Amazing actresses on that show. Craig Ferguson was a guest star. He was in there, and the director came over to me and was like, could you talk faster, Maybe louder? And could you lower your voice or something? I don't know. Can we get her, like, some glasses?

[Jenna Fischer]

Anything to make you like a character or something. Come eat it.

[Guest/Other]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And Craig Ferguson started cracking up when the director walked away, and he was like, maybe get her a top hat, a patch, maybe a parrot for her shoulder. And Wendy Malik was also in the scene. And she came over and said to me, and she called me kid, which I loved. She goes, kid, you got to sell it to the back row. This is multicam. I said, gotcha. Got it. Got it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, they did get me Glasses, though.

[Jenna Fischer]

They did. Were they funny?

[Angela Kinsey]

Funny? Betty White did tell me I was funny, though. That was my takeaway.

[Jenna Fischer]

Do you have any more stories about legends? You've got Cloris Leachman. You've got Betty White. We met Carol Burnett once.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, I didn't speak, though, remember? I was too nervous.

[Jenna Fischer]

I didn't speak either. But we stood next to each other.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know, but Cate Flannery talked to her, and we just stood there and smiled.

[Jenna Fischer]

And then her and Kate got, like, a whole friendship going. I think we were. So we just need to go up to Carol Burnett laughing next time. Oh, no. I'm gonna try that one again. I'm gonna get that one out in the future.

[Angela Kinsey]

You're gonna bust it out.

[Jenna Fischer]

I am.

[Angela Kinsey]

All right, where are we? Okay, Jim and Pam are playing real moments. Michael and Dwight are sharing a bottle of mini booze.

[Jenna Fischer]

Very tiny bottle.

[Angela Kinsey]

Jenna, this is not the first time the tiny bottle of booze has been in an episode.

[Jenna Fischer]

When was the first time?

[Angela Kinsey]

All right, in the deleted scenes of the duel, Michael is building up the courage to tell Andy, and they're walking out to the car together, and Michael hands him a mini bottle of booze out of his pocket in the elevator and goes, drink this. And then Andy's like, I don't know. I really like that. Okay, fine. And he, like, drinks it, and he's like. And he's like, angela's sleeping with Dwight. So I think they have these little mini bottle of booze. You don't start seeing them in deleted scenes till after they go to Canada. And I wonder. I wonder if Michael took the minibar stash.

[Jenna Fischer]

He 100% did, right?

[Angela Kinsey]

Of course. That's what I wrote in my head anyway.

[Jenna Fischer]

Or from the air. Yes. First class.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

In this scene, as they're sharing this mini bottle of booze, we are reminded that Dwight needs to get the signature of everyone in the office as an acknowledgment that they have accepted his apology for dismembering the CPR dummy last week.

[Angela Kinsey]

I mean, how many apology notes is he going to have to have people sign?

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't know, but he has to get everyone's signature. He's having a hard time.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's the only thing that's stressing him out.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, this is when Michael gets his big idea. They should roast him. This is great. He's gonna bust into the bullpen. He's gonna announce, we're doing a roast. I want you to really go at me. Don't hold back.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, you can Comment on how fit I am or the fact that I'm a womanizer.

[Jenna Fischer]

He doesn't want to write the material for them, but he wants it to be good.

[Angela Kinsey]

Everyone is pretty excited. I mean, Kevin is, like a giggly. He's so excited.

[Jenna Fischer]

I liked Oscar Stocking head.

[Angela Kinsey]

Say it.

[Jenna Fischer]

He was like, listen, I'm a good person, but I am going to try to make Michael cry. We had a fan catch from Samantha S. And Michelle S. Two people noticed this catch. Okay, if you're following along, Starting with part two, at 1 minute, 15 seconds, Kelly is standing in front of the shelves and her notebook is closed. But in the very next shot, it is open and upside down.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, well, we missed that one.

[Jenna Fischer]

Clearly, she's not really taking an inventory of anything.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, I have a question for you.

[Jenna Fischer]

What is it?

[Angela Kinsey]

Who is planning this roast? There's no party planning committee meeting, but I want you to know in deleted scenes, I found this gem. Michael is having a meeting with Daryl in the warehouse.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

So I'm like, wait, is Daryl in charge of this party? Because it's in the warehouse. So Michael is telling Darryl everything he needs. He says, I would like a stage. And Darryl points to a few wood pallets.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

And he's like, well, okay. And he goes, also, I need a big, comfy chair or maybe a throne

[Jenna Fischer]

that made me spit out my coffee.

[Angela Kinsey]

Then he tells Darryl that he would like all the other roasters to be up on the stage too. Like, you know the Comedy Central roast where they have the dais of other roasters up there?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And Daryl's, like, looking at these tiny wood pallets, like, okay. Then Darryl's like, who's gonna be in the audience? And Michael's like, we're gonna charge $10 a head.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my God.

[Angela Kinsey]

For the audience? Yeah. Who's coming to this? Then Michael's like, oh, also, we need alcohol. Okay. You need lots of alcohol. And I'm gonna need something to spit in for my spit takes.

[Jenna Fischer]

He's planning out that this is gonna be so funny. He's gonna need to spit out his drink.

[Angela Kinsey]

And D, you're not spitting in the warehouse. Then Dwight rushes in, and he's got this 8x10 photo of Michael. And Michael's like, no, no, no, no, no. I want this photo Huge. It's got to cover, like, the whole back wall. Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And then he says, I also want a drum and cymbal so I can do the badump bumps.

[Jenna Fischer]

This is amazing because all of these things are going to appear in the Warehouse.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. So I'm thinking Darryl and Dwight planned this. They were the PPC for this event.

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't want to give too much of a spoiler, but next week we're going to find out what happened to the PPC and why there is no one in charge of party planning right now.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

So this was, like, foreshadowing a little bit. Well, I guess they set everything up and Dwight has a great idea. It's actually a great idea.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's brilliant.

[Jenna Fischer]

He tells everyone as they're entering that they have to sign in for the roast. But what they're really signing is his apology acknowledgement sheet. Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

But who catches it?

[Jenna Fischer]

Phyllis.

[Angela Kinsey]

So good. She's so good. She is just busting his butt through this whole episode.

[Jenna Fischer]

She will not sign. She's not gonna sign. She's the holdout.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Everyone takes their seats. Michael sits on his throne. And now the roast is gonna begin.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Should we take a break?

[Angela Kinsey]

I think we take a break and we come back with the roasting.

[Jenna Fischer]

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[Jenna Fischer]

Okay, folks, the roast is on. Michael welcomes all these jerks.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. Who's first up? Who can't wait to get up there and roast Michael Scott? He can barely finish his sentence and she's grabbing the microphone.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's Angela Martin.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's right, Jenna. I noticed something in rewatching this multiple times like we do each week, is Angela Martin ripping off Jeff Foxworthy bits?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. You know, Angela Martin is a Jeff Foxworthy fan.

[Angela Kinsey]

She's. I mean, listen. Listen to Jeff and then listen to Angela.

[Jenna Fischer]

If you've ever cut your grass and found a car,

[Angela Kinsey]

you might be a redneck. And now, Angela, if you ever put sunblock on a window, you might be Michael Scott. If you ever called the fire department because your head was stuck in your chair, you might be Michael Scott. She clearly is doing Jeff's bit.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. A hundred percent.

[Angela Kinsey]

When I rewatched that, I was like, oh, my gosh. That had to be the writer's inspiration for Angela's comedic style.

[Jenna Fischer]

I was very impressed with how prepared Angela was prepared in her mic work.

[Angela Kinsey]

Like, she took the mic off, waved it to the crowd for everyone to say Michael Scott. She was into it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Next up is Kelly, and she does a list of who and what she would rather kiss than Michael Scott.

[Angela Kinsey]

All right, I gotta jump in and just tell you guys, there are so much extra stuff in the deleted scenes for the roast. We also find out Kelly has a second bit where she says she knows that Michael dyes his hair. Oh, yeah. That one day it was raining and his hair dye dripped onto her arm and she color matched it. And Michael uses Clairol natural instincts. Midnight black. She does this whole other bit. And then I think Meredith's is the most depressing. She says, michael, you're the reason I drink. You're the reason I live to forget.

[Guest/Other]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oof.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oscar roasts Michael in Spanish and he speaks very quickly. He has a lot to say a lot.

[Angela Kinsey]

To say. Very passionate. There's so much more Oscar in the deleted scenes. First of all, he does multiple jokes in English before he gets to his Spanish roast, and I think we need to hear him.

[Jenna Fischer]

The only man in the state of Pennsylvania who is less likely to get legally married than me is Michael Scott. Michael Scott is so dumb. He thinks balancing a checkbook is putting a checkbook on his nose and shouting, look at me. Look at me.

[Guest/Other]

Michael is so bad with money.

[Jenna Fischer]

He invested in Enron last week. That was a privilege. Michael is the biggest idiot I know. And finally, sometimes I lay awake at night. I'm sure all of you do, too, and wonder, what the hell did I do to deserve a boss like this?

[Angela Kinsey]

I mean, oh, my gosh. He just calls him an idiot.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my gosh. Michael is kind of realizing that maybe this wasn't as fun as he thought it would be. But things are in motion now.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

And everyone can't wait to get up on stage. Toby tries to have a turn, but Michael shoots him down.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. He says, only friends. Friends only. And then there is a deleted scene, Jenna, where Oscar brings a cell phone up on stage because Jan, who isn't there, has decided to call in so she can roast Michael.

[Jenna Fischer]

Amazing.

[Angela Kinsey]

All right, we gotta hear it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, Michael, you ruined my life, okay?

[Angela Kinsey]

Everything you touch turns to crap, okay? You have no sense of how to please any woman. I can't believe that once you wrote

[Jenna Fischer]

a phone message on my diploma and

[Angela Kinsey]

you used my daughter's christening gown as a bib when you ate ribs.

[Jenna Fischer]

I mean, you're just. You're just completely an ass, Michael.

[Angela Kinsey]

You're an ass.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay, I have to say, clearly the writers had a lot of fun writing this roast, because in addition to all these deleted scenes, remember last week when I said our candy bag for this episode was 207 pages are alt jokes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Were they all roasting jokes?

[Jenna Fischer]

They are almost all alternate roast jokes. Well, I do pages and pages and pages.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, my gosh. I do remember, Jenna, that people got up multiple times.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, yeah. They just kept handing us stuff to go say in the candy bag. They had all these alts for Jan when she called in. So in addition to this deleted one, this one really please share stuck out to me. She says it only took one night of misguided, drunken passion with Michael to ruin my entire life. I would have been better off if he'd just given me syphilis.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, my gosh.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, now Jim is going to get up and he's going to I guess list all of the sayings that Michael has butchered.

[Angela Kinsey]

Spider face.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my gosh.

[Angela Kinsey]

Dwight is feeling bad for Michael, so he hops up on stage to defend him, right?

[Guest/Other]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And Michael's like, idiot, you're doing it wrong. You're doing it wrong. And then Dwight snaps and is like, what? You're calling me an idiot? Like, he's up there trying to defend him. He's like, you're just a small, pathetic little man. You have no friends, no family, and no land. And he walks off stage, and everyone cheers.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, now it's Pam's turn. I remember so clearly shooting this. I remember because after roasting him about falling for Internet scams and being lazy at work, I had to say that Michael's penis is small.

[Angela Kinsey]

I mean, this is the ultimate nail in the coffin of the roast for Michael in particular. I mean, Michael, who's like.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know.

[Angela Kinsey]

Thinks he's like, the womanizer.

[Jenna Fischer]

Because, remember in an earlier episode, Pam knocked on the door and Michael said, come in, and he did not have his clothes on. And Pam was like, why did you say come in?

[Angela Kinsey]

He was changing clothes for fun Run.

[Jenna Fischer]

Exactly. So Pam is going to call that back, and she's going to make a joke at his expense. We did this a few ways that we started by having me just say it on the stage. But then they thought, this is kind of a low blow, right?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. And it's bold for Pam.

[Jenna Fischer]

It is. So they were like, let's try this one on the move.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Like a throwaway. Exactly. And so that's what ended up making it into the episode.

[Angela Kinsey]

And then we have an old tech alert that helps. You really just punch them one more time.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, yeah. Everyone's like, how small is it? And then Pam says, if it were an ipod, it'd be a shuffle. Do some people even know that joke? Do they even get that joke?

[Angela Kinsey]

Do people still have ipods? It was a big deal. We were so excited to have our ipods with all of our music on it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Just music.

[Angela Kinsey]

Only music, guys.

[Jenna Fischer]

And they came in different sizes. And shuffle was the smallest. Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And you could get a tiny one and, like, clip it on your, like, armband and go running. I never did that. Cause I don't run.

[Jenna Fischer]

But you could have.

[Angela Kinsey]

You could have. It looked cool.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

With your headphones that had a cord that had to go to it so you couldn't pump your arms too hard.

[Jenna Fischer]

No, no. Oh. How many times did I just yank that cord out of my ipod? I know, because I was gesturing, not exercising. I'm so sorry. Please don't get the wrong idea. I was gesturing wildly.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, now Darryl's gonna come up in. This one was really cringy. Darrell says, michael, you always say we're family, right? Yep. So if you're family, you know everyone's names. What's that guy's name? And he points to a warehouse employee, and Michael clearly doesn't know his name. And it's so awkward. His name is Michael, and not only is his name Michael, but Michael gave him a car ride home, and they were in traffic for, like, an hour together. Awkward. But really, what rounds it all out is everyone singing what I hate about you.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. Andy gets up.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. He's written the song. We have it. We gotta hear it.

[Jenna Fischer]

What I hate about you, you really suck as a ball.

[Angela Kinsey]

You're the losiest, jerkiest and you're dumber than applesauce.

[Guest/Other]

We're stuck listening to you all day Stanley tried to die just to get

[Jenna Fischer]

away with it's true that's what I hate about you that's what I hate about you. That was so amazing. It was so amazing. On the day we were all singing, I want you guys to know, people have asked, you know, Ed did not write those lyrics. That was written by our writers. Ed figured out how to play the song on the guitar. But that was scripted. It was so good.

[Angela Kinsey]

So good. But you know what? Our writers could throw Ed anything. And I felt like he just was, like, done.

[Jenna Fischer]

I mean, that's a good thing to have.

[Angela Kinsey]

It is.

[Jenna Fischer]

Secret weapon.

[Angela Kinsey]

Secret weapon.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, guys, Michael isn't happy.

[Angela Kinsey]

It looks like he might cry.

[Jenna Fischer]

And then the next day, the phone rings, and Pam says, michael's not in the office. Michael didn't come to work.

[Angela Kinsey]

No.

[Jenna Fischer]

He's so depressed. Dwight says it's very unusual for Michael not to show up. He is either depressed or maybe he's been impaled by an icicle. He does have a terrible habit of standing underneath them, staring up at them. Despite Dwight's many warnings.

[Angela Kinsey]

Many warnings. The gang is in the break room, you know, sort of saying, is he okay? What should we do?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And Creed has one of those lines, Jenna, that made John break. Yeah, it's a classic Creed line. Phyllis says, I hope he's okay. I feel bad. Creed says, give it up. He's dead. Jim says, he just sent a text. Creed goes, what's a text? What's a text? Like, sent everyone into laughing fits.

[Jenna Fischer]

That aspect of Creed's character was Jon's kryptonite.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. The you're not real.

[Angela Kinsey]

You're not real. What's a text?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. He loved that stuff. Well, we do eventually find Michael. He is sitting alone at a playground

[Angela Kinsey]

in a black turtleneck with a black coat. He looks the sleekest he's ever looked.

[Jenna Fischer]

I'm like, what is this casual outfit?

[Angela Kinsey]

I know. And he has, like, nice jeans on with, like, appropriate sort of black dress shoes, kinda.

[Jenna Fischer]

He's feeding full slices of bread to invisible birds.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

I'll have you know this location alert. This was North Hollywood Community center park, where we shot this little bit of Steve and his turtleneck.

[Angela Kinsey]

There's lots more in the deleted scenes. Him talking to little kids, him trying to shoot baskets. Like. Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Michael explains in a talking head that, you know, sometimes he has to get away. He needs to get perspective. And we learn, like, he is not okay. Right.

[Angela Kinsey]

But him imagining a spaceman on a

[Jenna Fischer]

star very far away, that might help him. That might help him get that perspective.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Back in the office, Dwight is still trying to get Phyllis's signature on the wall.

[Angela Kinsey]

She's the only one. She's the only one that hasn't signed.

[Jenna Fischer]

So guess what? Delivery. There's a delivery man who has come in in a very, I would say, noticeably generic uniform.

[Angela Kinsey]

Mm. There's a package for Phyllis.

[Jenna Fischer]

For Phyllis. But she has to sign for it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

I loved this gag. She signs the clipboard. And is the clipboard, like, disappears from the man's hands?

[Angela Kinsey]

It's got, like, one of those chains, and it's being dragged away. The pin has a chain to the clipboard.

[Jenna Fischer]

And it's Dwight over in the hallway. He got his signature.

[Angela Kinsey]

He did. Well, this was a fun cameo played by our very own producer, James Carey.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, James Carey, who's been helping us out on the podcast.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, this is him.

[Jenna Fischer]

If you wondered what he looked like. There he is.

[Angela Kinsey]

There he is. James was on the show the whole time?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, he was with us from the very beginning.

[Angela Kinsey]

From the very beginning. So it was really fun to have him on stage with us filming. And we reached out to him and asked him about this moment.

[Jenna Fischer]

James said that he never asked to be an actor on the show. And one day he just got this random phone call from Ben, who worked in Allison Jones's office. Ben was Alison's casting associate, and he told him, we have a role in stress relief. There's one line. We'd like you to play it. And James was like, yes, of course I said yes. And this was just, you know, this was just a cool thing that Greg and Alison would do. From time to time, they would feature longtime crew members in the show.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, we would always get really excited. And James told us that for him, the day on set was really fun, exciting. I mean, he. He'd worked for a long time in the entertainment industry, but he said, when you're in front of the camera and other people are depending on you to hit your mark and deliver your dialogue, all of a sudden he got really nervous. And he said he was expecting a little more directing because he's not an actor at all. But they didn't really give him much. They're just like, go there. Say your line. But he did say after one or two takes, Jeff Blitz suggested to him, maybe look like you're up to something. You know, give it a little something. And he's like, I think that's the take they used. But his whole family saw it because it was on after the Super Bowl.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. But James said when they first said, we've got a role for you, it's one line as a delivery man, he didn't realize it was for the stress relief episode.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

So when he said yes, he just wasn't putting it together that he was saying yes to the super bowl episode. He said his dad was particularly excited. And when he told his brother and sister, at first he said he thought. Thinks they didn't believe him. They thought he was kidding.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, yeah. He said they were like, yeah, sure, you're gonna be on. Yeah, whatever.

[Jenna Fischer]

And then there he was. He was on it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, the episode is wrapping up, and so is the movie. Mrs. Albert Hannity. And he's moved to tears. He's watching Jack Black and Cloris Leachman break up.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. She's very slowly moving up the staircase in her special motorized chair, and he's

[Angela Kinsey]

crying, saying, hit reverse.

[Jenna Fischer]

So I shared last week that we shot this on location at a house in West Los Angeles. Randy told me the house already had this chairlift. We did not install it.

[Angela Kinsey]

I would think that they scouted a house with a chairlift.

[Jenna Fischer]

He also said that because they wanted this mini film to really look like a real movie, we shot the Mrs. Hannaday sequence on film.

[Angela Kinsey]

Dang.

[Jenna Fischer]

It was our first time shooting something for our show on film. We normally used the digital cameras. We even had a Steadicam film camera. And since they only had one day to shoot all these scenes, Jeff Blitz and Randall Einhorn did a full blocking rehearsal with stand ins, where they planned out every single shot. They created official storyboards, just like you do on a film. And Randy even Sent us pictures.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

And they exactly match the mini movie. There's a woman who's standing in for Cloris Leachman, kind of slowly moving up the staircase. And that is how they were able to get this elaborate shoot done on film, which normally takes a lot longer than shooting on digital. They could do it in one day.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. So Randy sent us pictures of how they staged it, and it was so fun to see them because Anna, who was in charge of locations, played Jack Black. And then Jasmine, who is our second AD Plays Cloris Leachman. So we'll have to put one of those pictures in our stories. It was fun to see their faces.

[Jenna Fischer]

In addition to wrapping up the movie storyline, we're going to find out what exactly Jim said to Pam's dad.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. Pam's dad comes to the office, and they have this whole conversation in the parking lot. Now, we can't hear it. We see it, but we don't know what they're saying.

[Jenna Fischer]

We had a fan question from Stephanie P. What did Pam say to her dad in the parking lot? There was never any dialogue for this in the script. This was always a silent spy shot. In fact, here's what it said. It said, jim's pov. Pam is talking with her father. The conversation goes back and forth. Pam looks angry. The dad says something. She looks up at Jim with tears in her eyes. The dad leaves, and Pam walks back inside.

[Angela Kinsey]

So you guys just had to fill in the blanks there.

[Jenna Fischer]

We did. Now, Pam's dad was played by Rick Overton, and he will be back again in Niagara. And Rick is actually a really funny guy. He's like an improvisation comedy veteran. He's also a writer. He won an Emmy for writing an episode of Dennis Miller Live. So it's funny to me how we would cast people with great pedigree to stand and do a silent POV shot in the parking lot. But that was because this is a big role. Pam's dad, if we bring him back, we need to make sure this person has the chops to go the distance.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

And Rick was great. And we just improvised dialogue. We just improvised what he might be saying to her that would cause her to be hurt. It was mostly a spin on, like, I'm sorry, but I need to leave your mother. You know, he knew that scripted line that Pam says later, and he would say that to me, and I would look up at the window and all that kind of stuff. So, yeah. But he was great. And by the way, he reached out to us because he knew we were coming up on this episode. And he said, if you would not mind, would you tell people that I have a new improvised stand up special called Rick Overton Set List? And you can find it through Comedy Dynamics. Oh, nice. And we can put a link in the show notes for anyone who wants to check it out.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's great.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, this all leads us into this Pam talking head that gets quoted back to me all the time.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's a very sweet talking head.

[Jenna Fischer]

It is. Pam says, when you're young, you assume your parents are soulmates. Her kids are going to be right about that.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. Andy overhears it, throws papers in the air because he's like. His whole running bit is that Pam and Jim are sort of relationship geniuses and that they can see all of this stuff happening in a movie that he can't see.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

This deep relationship, like, storyline that he just can't see because it's not there. Andy.

[Jenna Fischer]

No. He says he would never be insightful enough to be a movie critic, but he could maybe be a food or art critic.

[Angela Kinsey]

Here comes Michael in his black turtleneck and his black coat. I'm still, like, obsessed with this outfit. He said he spent the afternoon in the park trying to feed pigeons, but I guess they'd all flown west for the winter.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And he just had some thoughts he wanted to share with everyone. Pam says, what? And he said, I wrote him down so I wouldn't forget.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, boy, here it comes. This is the Boom Roasted. It is Boom Roasted. So you know I told you that Halstead Sullivan came up with the idea for the roast storyline?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

I had to know who came up with Boom Roasted.

[Angela Kinsey]

Who did?

[Jenna Fischer]

All right. I got a hot tip that it might be Justin Spitzer or Gene Stubnitsky.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

I reached out to them and nope, nope. They thought maybe it was Charlie Grandy.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, was it?

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't have Charlie's info.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh.

[Jenna Fischer]

So I reached out to Jen Salata.

[Angela Kinsey]

Plot thickens.

[Jenna Fischer]

I said, jen, do you know if Charlie Grandy wrote Boom Roasted?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

These are the emails I exchange with people I know.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, I know.

[Jenna Fischer]

Jen said, I think so, but let me text him. And then I just love Jen Salata so much. I know she writes me back, Boom Roasted was Charlie. Three exclamation points. We did it. So I wrote Justin and I said, justin, it was Charlie Grandy. And he said, great. I would like some credit on the podcast for sending you down the right road. I said, you will get it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Thank you, Justin.

[Jenna Fischer]

Thank you, all of you guys.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know, I know.

[Jenna Fischer]

I had to know. Boom.

[Angela Kinsey]

Roasted.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's so famous. Charlie Grandy.

[Angela Kinsey]

Charlie Grandy. Well, I think we need to hear these. I'm gonna read them to you. Michael says, Jim, you're 6 11, and you weigh 90 pounds. Gumby has a better body than you. Boom. Roasted. Dwight, you're a kiss ass.

[Jenna Fischer]

Boom. Roasted.

[Angela Kinsey]

Pam, you failed art school. Boom. Roasted. Meredith, you've slept with so many guys, you've started to look like one. Boom.

[Jenna Fischer]

Roasted.

[Angela Kinsey]

Kevin, I can't decide between a fat joke and a dumb joke. Boom.

[Jenna Fischer]

Roasted.

[Angela Kinsey]

Creed, your teeth called. Your breast stinks.

[Guest/Other]

Boom.

[Angela Kinsey]

Roasted. Angela. Where's Angela? Oh, there you are. I didn't see you there behind that grain of rice. Boom. Roasted. Stanley, you crush your wife during sex, and your heart sucks. Boom. Roasted. Oscar, you are gay.

[Guest/Other]

Boom.

[Angela Kinsey]

Roasted. Andy, Cornell called. They think you suck, and you're gayer than Oscar. Boom. Roasted. Well, now Stanley is cackling hysterically, laughing. He can't stop laughing. I mean, it's egging Michael on. He's laughing. Everyone seems to have turned a corner.

[Jenna Fischer]

Michael is very good at roasting, I guess.

[Angela Kinsey]

And Michael has a talking head that wraps up the whole moment. He says, they say that laughter is the best medicine. So, Stanley, you can throw away those pills. You are cured. Actually, you know what? You should. You better hold on to those pills just in case.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, lady, I had a lot of fun looking at the candy bag alternates for this as well.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, what do you got?

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, okay. So first of all, with a lot of characters, they had a lot of roastable things. Your character, Evangela Martin, every roast is a spin on hiding behind a grain of rice. Every one. It was so funny to me. They clearly came up with that idea. I couldn't see you behind that grain of rice. And they were like, that's it. We're not going to do better than that. Because there were some slight alternates, but it always ended with, oh, I'm sorry. I couldn't see you behind that grain of rice. Which was very funny to me. Here are a few of the alternates that stood out to me. Oh, Pam, did you not hear me through that dirty mop you call hair? Boom. Roasted.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, my God.

[Jenna Fischer]

And this one. They say people tend to be attracted to people who look like themselves. So I don't know what happened with Jim and Pam. Their kid's gonna look like a pair of stilts with boobs. Have fun giving birth to that, Pam. Boom. Roasted. This is my favorite. There's a whole page of Toby. Boom. Roasted.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, my gosh.

[Jenna Fischer]

But they are all just Michael telling him to f off and that he hates him. Here's an example in all caps. Toby, you. I hope you die.

[Angela Kinsey]

Boom.

[Jenna Fischer]

Roasted. That's it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, the episode's gonna end with our movie, Mrs. Albert Hannity.

[Jenna Fischer]

And it's a real surprise ending. Yeah. Big twist at the end.

[Angela Kinsey]

Twist at the end. Jack black is Sam. He's returning to Lily's house, played by Cloris. He's got flowers and a walking cane in his hand.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

He's running up to the front door.

[Jenna Fischer]

As he gets there, he looks through the window. She's with another man. Another young man.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. And they are in the throes of passion.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's very, very, very much of a love scene.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's a make out.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's a big make.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's a real big make out.

[Jenna Fischer]

The man she is making out with is our writer's assistant, Nate Federman.

[Angela Kinsey]

Nate, we had to know, how did you get this job?

[Jenna Fischer]

He sent in this audio clip, and I promise you, you will hang on his every word.

[Guest/Other]

Hi, my name is Nate Fetterman. I was one of the writer's assistants on stress relief, and I got to make out with him. Cloris Leachman. And this is my story. Originally, my part was supposed to be for Zac Efron, and there were actual lines, but he turned it down. And so did Corbin blue and Christopher Mint's plots. And the day before it was supposed to shoot, they hadn't cast it and all the lines had been cut. And they really just needed somebody who was young looking to make out with Cloris Leachman. They didn't have to be handsome or famous. So enter me. Paul lieberstein and Jeff blitz, who was directing the episode, pulled me aside at work and asked me if I was interested in doing the part. And I'm not an actor. The last time I performed was in fifth grade. I was muddle the tailor and fiddler on the roof. And I froze in the middle of wonder, of wonder, Miracle of miracles. And the audience laughed at me, and it was scarring. But I was really excited to earn 500 bucks and residuals, so I said, sure, I'll do it. At the time, I was so terrified of letting the show down. I was working with all these incredible actors and actresses who actually knew what they were doing. And I just didn't want to screw things up for everybody. So I went home that night and I told my girlfriend, now my wife, about what I was going to have to do. And I was really scared. So I practiced with Her. And I didn't get much sleep that night. And then I woke up early the next day, and I arrived on location, and I was just terrified because I was so out of my element. And I'm in hair and makeup, and they're doing my hair, and all of a sudden I feel these hands running through my hair. And I hear this voice go, I hear that you and I are going to be doing some kissing later. And I turn around and it's cloris leachman. And she's smiling at me, and I'm like, yep, we're going to be doing this scene together. So then we go to the actual set, and I'm riding in a van with cloris leachman and Jack black and Jessica Alba. And these are big name stars. And I'm the writer's assistant on the office and so out of my element, and I'm just desperate not to seem like a total hack and screw things up for everyone. So eventually, it's time for the kissing scene with Cloris. And we're positioned on a couch, and she's sitting on my lap, and I have my arms around her, and we're talking, and it's very pleasant, and she's very nice, and she's telling me about her children. But then right before we do the actual take, she gets real serious. You know, she's getting into character, and she looks me in the eye and I'll never forget this. And she goes, when they call action, I want you to grab my ass and really get up in the crack. So when they called action, I grabbed her ass and I really got up in that crack. And we did the scene. We shot it many times. They had to get it from a lot of different angles, so we ended up making out quite a bit. She did say a variety of other pretty raunchy things. She's an expert at dirty talk. But it was an amazing experience, and I'm incredibly grateful that my five seconds of fame were spent with an absolute legend like Cloris leachman. And it's something that I always get a kick out of when I get to tell people.

[Jenna Fischer]

Nate, thank you. Thank you for sharing your story.

[Angela Kinsey]

I mean, what an amazing story.

[Jenna Fischer]

Amazing. Hey, Nate, Zac Efron isn't available. What are you doing tomorrow? Yeah, can you do something for me real quick? Sure. What is it? It's just that scene where you make out with Cloris leachman.

[Angela Kinsey]

Mm. Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, okay. Sure, I guess so.

[Angela Kinsey]

And you get 500 bucks.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. And a great story.

[Angela Kinsey]

And a story for your lifetime.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. You Know what? In these kind of over the top moments, you have to go for it. And Cloris was saying, sweetie, I give you permission to go for it. You grab my butt, sell it. That's what the scene needs. And we can't be shy with each other. Yeah. We have to go for it. And I've been in situations with actors where we've given one another permission.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

And it's so helpful because it gets you out of your head and you're like, okay, good.

[Angela Kinsey]

Now we can just play. Have fun with it. I mean, you guys watch every single Dwight Angela may count.

[Jenna Fischer]

Exactly.

[Angela Kinsey]

Sometimes you just gotta go for it. And on our set, I think we were so good about being like, okay, I'm cool with this. You do this. We're fine. You know, we communicated.

[Jenna Fischer]

And I have to imagine you're with this legend performer, Cloris Leachman.

[Angela Kinsey]

I'd be timid.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. You've never met this person.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

So for her to just be so fun and up for it like that and to just say, do it, baby, do it. I love it.

[Guest/Other]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, there you have it. Stress relief, part two. Do you feel less stressed? Have you had some relief of your stress after listening to this podcast, everyone? I hope so.

[Angela Kinsey]

I hope her podcast doesn't stress people out. If we can leave anything with you from stress relief other than boom. Roasted.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yep.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's. Ah, Ah.

[Jenna Fischer]

I was just gonna say that.

[Angela Kinsey]

Staying alive. Staying alive. Ah, Ah, ah, ah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Staying alive. Oh, my God. That was. Now people are stressed. We relieve their stress, and then we gave it right back. I'm so sorry. Start over. Start the podcast again.

[Angela Kinsey]

Bye, you guys have a great week.

[Jenna Fischer]

We'll see you next week for Lecture Circuit Part one. I can't wait. I have so many stories. Thank you for listening to Office Lady's second drink.

[Angela Kinsey]

This episode was initially created in collaboration with Earwolf.

[Jenna Fischer]

Office Ladies is a presentation of Odyssey and is produced by by Jenna Fisher and Angela Kinsey. Our senior producer is Matt Beagle.

[Angela Kinsey]

Our second drinks episodes are produced by Molly Nugent.

[Jenna Fischer]

Our audio engineer is Sam Kiefer.

[Angela Kinsey]

Odyssey's executive producer is Leah Reese.

[Jenna Fischer]

Dennis. Office Ladies was mixed and mastered by Bill Schultz.

[Angela Kinsey]

Our theme song is Rubber Tree by Creed Bratt.

[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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