This week: Ryan Welton sits down with Grant Hermes (Make It Make Sense with Grant Hermes) to unpack a fast-moving national story with Oklahoma fingerprints — and the bigger questions it raises about federal power, state authority, and civil liberties.

What we cover

Why Gov. Kevin Stitt’s role as chair of the National Governors Association matters
The White House meeting controversy and why Stitt publicly pushed back
The “governors are different” dynamic — why red and blue governors sometimes close ranks
Federalism in plain English: who controls what — and why it’s flaring up again
The new masking debate: protesters, legislation, and why identification rules aren’t applied evenly
A discussion of voting-law proposals and what critics argue are the real downstream effects

Mentioned in the episode

Grant’s newsletter: Things You Forgot From Civics Class
Grant’s new newsletter: Make It Make Nonsense
The Make It Make Sense podcast (search: “MIMSpod”)

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