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Old School with Shilo Brooks

Episode: ‘The Brothers Karamazov’ Helped Inspire the Catholic App Hallow
Release Date: February 26, 2026
Host: Shilo Brooks
Guest: Alex Jones (Founder & CEO of Hallow)

Episode Overview

This episode explores how Fyodor Dostoevsky’s novel The Brothers Karamazov profoundly influenced Alex Jones, leading to the founding of Hallow—an immensely popular Catholic prayer and meditation app. Host Shilo Brooks guides a rich conversation about faith, suffering, reading habits, and the transformative power of literature, focusing on how great books can shape modern men and provide answers to existential questions.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

Alex Jones’ Spiritual Journey and the Birth of Hallow

• Early Life and Disconnection:
  Raised Catholic, Alex Jones drifted towards atheism/agnosticism in high school and college.

  • Quote [01:26]: “I was raised religious. I was raised Catholic, but fell away from my faith in high school and college...would have considered myself atheist or agnostic for most of that time.”

• Discovery of Prayer Through Meditation:
  Interested in secular meditation with apps like Headspace and Calm but felt a persistent “pull” towards Christianity.

  • Notable Moment [01:50]: Jones recounts a pastor’s advice: “It’s a great way to talk to God, but have you ever really tried to listen for Him?”

• The Naming and Founding of Hallow:
  The prayer practice lectio divina leads him to the word “Hallow” (to make holy). This experience inspired him to quit his job and create an app for Christian meditation and prayer.

  • Quote [02:57]: “It just changed my life. It was this incredible combination of this deep sense of peace with this depth of meaning and purpose.”

The Brothers Karamazov: Life-Changing Literature

• How the Novel Fits into the Journey:
  Recommended by many during his return to faith, Jones describes reading the book as “completely” and “totally” life-changing, especially when re-reading during a Hallow “Lenten journey.”

  • Quote [04:21]: “...once you get into it, it’s hard to put down. It changed the way that I interact with people. It changed the way that I see myself. It changed the way that I see my sin. It changed the way that I see the power of love.”

• Why It’s “The Greatest Novel Ever Written”:
  Cites Dr. Peter Kreeft, who calls The Brothers Karamazov “tied for the greatest novel ever written alongside the Lord of the Rings.”

  • Quote [04:49]: “It’s an incredible story. It’s got a love triangle. It’s got two love triangles. At the core is this conflict between a father...and his three sons...It’s an incredibly engaging story, but then at the core...is this really, really beautifully profound spiritual message.”

Navigating the Novel: Main Characters and Spiritual Themes

• The Brothers as Archetypes ([08:59]):

  • Dmitri (Mitya): The prodigal, passionate son, driven by sensual desires—mirrors the younger son in the Prodigal Son parable.
  • Ivan: The intellectual skeptic, struggles with faith, mirrors the elder son’s pride in the parable.
  • Alyosha: The spiritual center, representing a Christlike, loving presence—though the youngest, acts as a “father” figure of compassion.

• Parable of the Prodigal Son:
  Jones draws explicit parallels, suggesting Dostoevsky structured the brothers’ stories to mirror this biblical narrative.

  • Quote [09:59]: “Mitya is this reckless, passionate...following kind of the ways of the world. Ivan is kind of this, I don’t believe in God...Alyosha is this...man of deep peace and love...through his love, you see him radically transform all of their lives.”

• Central Spiritual Message:
  Repeated emphasis on humility, confession, love’s power to heal, and recognizing shared responsibility for the world’s suffering and sin.

“Rebellion” and “The Grand Inquisitor”: Wrestling with Evil and Faith

• Ivan’s Objection to God ([13:41]):
  Ivan presents the “problem of evil” by recounting real-life stories of innocent suffering, particularly of children.

  • Brooks [13:41]: “You can talk about grace, you can talk about redemption, but the fact of the matter is those children suffered innocently. So I say to you...how can a God who is good permit this to happen in this world?”

• Alyosha’s Response ([19:54]):
  Alyosha invokes Christ’s innocent suffering, stating only Christ can forgive all—underscoring Christianity’s response to evil is not mere logic, but the person and love of Christ.

  • Jones quoting the novel [19:54]: “‘You’ve forgotten about Him. But it is on Him that the whole structure is being built.’”

• The Unfulfilling Intellectual Answer:
  Jones contends that the true answer to suffering is love, embodied by Christ on the cross—intellectual arguments fall short, echoing Scripture’s own treatment of theodicy (e.g., the book of Job).

  • Quote [19:54]: “What he gives you is love. He gives you love, and that’s it.”

Love, Suffering, and Responsibility ([27:46])

• Ripple Effect of Sin and Love:
  Dostoevsky’s “sober nose”: Individuals must recognize their personal culpability in the world’s evil, but also their power for redemption and healing through love.

  • Jones [27:46]: “Take yourself up and make yourself responsible for all the sins of men...it is you who are guilty on behalf of all and for all...the ripple effect of love can cancel out sin.”

• True Freedom through Christ:
  Discussion of whether submission to God restricts freedom; Jones argues that “surrendering to the Lord” is the only way to be truly free, contrasting it to the false freedom of following every whim or addiction.

  • Quote: “The only true freedom in this world is to give your life to Christ...when you’re free from [sin], there’s this lightness, there’s this freedom, there’s this control, there’s this joy...”

Broader Relevance of The Brothers Karamazov ([34:21])

• Universal Appeal vs. Christian Core:
  Jones acknowledges the book’s value for anyone, noting its powerful themes of “active love” as distinct from mere wishful thinking—but insists the story cannot be separated from its Christian heart:
  • Quote [35:08]: “At the core, no, I don’t think Dostoevsky’s book can be taken outside of the context of Jesus. Jesus is the center of the book...your relationship with him...is the story throughout the book.”

Faith, Business, and Hallow ([37:31], [40:44])

• Addressing the “Commodification of Faith”:
  Brooks asks about the tension between Hallow’s spiritual mission and its status as a venture-capital-backed, for-profit business.
  • Insight [40:44]: Jones notes his personal equity is being donated to the church/charity, and explains why building as a for-profit startup (not a nonprofit) actually allows Hallow to reach more people, take bigger risks, and invest in quality, especially in hiring talent for technology.

Modern Catholic Revival ([47:45])

• Why Young People Are Returning to Faith:
  Jones observes “crazy” growth among young users (especially men, 1100% YoY), and attributes the revival to a hunger for peace, meaning, and real love in a chaotic, noisy world.
  • Quote [48:27]: “There is something really beautiful happening, especially with young people...People are so tired...you try to search for peace in a feed...but there’s only one real, true peace.”

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “[The Brothers Karamazov] changed the way that I see the world. It changed the way that I see the Lord. It changed everything for me.” —Alex Jones [04:21]
• “All he does is he takes this little girl that’s crying and he wipes away her tears, and he says, 'cry no more, child.' And he sits there with her in the shed and cries with her. The real full answer to the problem of suffering is only Christ on the cross.” —Alex Jones [25:48]
• “The ripple effect of love is greater than the ripple effect of sin. Where sin abounds, grace abounds all the more.” —Alex Jones [28:28]
• “The only true freedom in this world is to give your life to Christ.” —Alex Jones [33:15]
• “If you read it, it will do it justice. So praise the Lord.” —Alex Jones, on reading The Brothers Karamazov [54:24]

Lightning Round Highlights ([51:38–54:24])

• Favorite Pope: St. Peter
• Favorite Saint: St. Teresa of Avila (and Mother Mary)
• Favorite Bible Passage: John 12:24 (“Unless a grain of wheat falls to the ground and dies...”)
• Another Great Spiritual Book: He Leadeth Me
• Biggest Mistake in Founding Hallow: People decisions—“any people mistakes are always hard.”
• Impact of Notre Dame: Crucial for his faith, family, and technical/academic foundation.

Conclusion

This episode of Old School delivers a powerful, intricate discussion of how Dostoevsky’s The Brothers Karamazov can transform a life—and even spark innovation in the digital age. Alex Jones and Shilo Brooks explore the novel’s spiritual depth, its grappling with evil and love, and what it means to live a meaningful life of faith in the modern world. Jones’s testimony and nuanced reading encourage listeners to consider big questions, embrace the wisdom of great books, and perhaps even answer the call to pick up a book (and maybe a prayer) themselves.