LIVE: Texas Football Analysis & Viewer Questions Answered

Summary

Podcast Summary: On Texas Football

Episode Title: LIVE: Texas Football Analysis & Viewer Questions Answered
Date: August 11, 2026
Host: Rod Babers (plus guests: CJ Vogel, Coach Brown, Stevie Lee, Jerry Hamilton)

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Overview

This episode delivers an energetic, in-depth dive into Texas Longhorns football fall camp updates, player development, spirited team culture, and lively Longhorns history, peppered with interactive viewership and honest panel discussion. Host Rod Babers, joined by experts like CJ Vogel, Coach Brown, Jerry Hamilton, and Stevie Lee, share insider practice nuggets, reflect on both current and former UT football personalities, and answer viewer questions about the upcoming season. The episode stands out for its dynamic banter, memorable storytelling, focus on team leadership, and hilarious revelations about co-host CJ Vogel’s real name.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Practice Updates & Camp Vibes

• Physicality in Camp

  • Sarkisian emphasized practice’s physical edge—especially in the trenches—even though they’re not always in full pads.
    • “...in Sark’s 2 1/2 minute opening statement, I think the word physical was brought up about 12 times.”
      (CJ Vogel, 03:58)
  • Noted uptick in competition level and team energy relative to previous camps.

• Leadership and Trash Talk

  • Big personalities—QB Arch Manning and DE Colin Simmons—banter in camp, fueling team-wide confidence.
    • “There’s a good amount of banter that goes on. And now Arch has more confidence, he gives a little more of that banter back…You could see that they’re loving practice…That starts when your quarterback loves practice…”
      (Jerry Hamilton quoting Sark, 05:06)
  • Panel notes the difference between “smack talk” (real-time, situational) and “trash talk” (more hypothetical), saying Arch’s talk signals rising self-belief.

2. Team Culture and Competition

• Arch Manning’s vocal leadership is contagious—defensive and offensive leaders showcasing swagger sparks enthusiasm.

  • “...guys who are talking, it usually means they're feeling themselves. They're starting to feel confident about their game. And so I think that's the important thing...”
    (Rod Babers, 07:39)

• Coach Brown acknowledges that NIL era ups the stakes and visibility of leadership battles.

  • “...for them [Simmons and Manning] to be the ones that are kind of leading the charge, does that in a way just set the overall tone? I mean, do you like it that it’s those two specifically?”
    (CJ, 09:26)
  • “Absolutely. I think those guys understand the leadership role that's been placed on their shoulders...It brings a level up of everybody around him, in my opinion.”
    (Coach Brown, 10:03-11:16)

• Importance of staff energy: Will Muschamp’s return to the Texas staff described as a source of on-field intensity and “talking” culture.

3. Historical Perspective & Trash Talk Stories

• Throwback Segment: Legends like Roy Williams, Sean Rogers, Casey Hampton, Leonard Davis, and Ramonce Taylor are recalled as the “freakiest” athletes Texas has seen.
  • “Quentin Jammer jams on my list…Leonard Davis…He was the modern day Goliath…He headbutted me once in practice and I…I can never live that down.”
    (Stevie Lee & Rod Babers, 28:04–28:48)
• Trenches Trash Talk:
  • “We talk trash when our hand is in the ground, right? So right before the ball snaps, you might hear something about somebody’s mama, right?...But big boys are so tired, man. We can’t say too much down here. We trying to catch our breath…”
    (Stevie Lee, 21:08–21:45)

4. Breakdown on Young Talent

• Hype around freshman Justice Terry (DL) and Josiah Sharma (OL), but panel waits for “Stevie stamp of approval” (23:39).
• Others: Cosio Paula, Kenneth Ray Davis (notable ball skills), both are emerging as future contributors.
  • “I think Cosio, Paula comes to mind first...I think he’s ascending...And I’ll throw this name out as well...Kenneth Ray Davis...I think that would bode very well for his long term career at Texas.”
    (CJ Vogel, 50:22–51:31)

5. Season Predictions & Existential Team Questions

• Most hosts predict 10–2 or 11–1 records for Texas, highlighting the brutal SEC schedule plus Ohio State.

  • “Nine SEC games, plus Ohio State, Rod. I, I don’t see an undefeated season.”
    (CJ Vogel, 35:55)
  • “Realistically, 10 and 2, but I’m hopeful of 11 and 1.”
    (Coach Brown, 37:33)
  • Expectation: 5+ one-score games; Texas’ resilience, confidence, and leadership will be key (38:00).

• High aspirations: Is it “championship or bust” for Sark this year?

  • “I wouldn’t go that far…unless it’s just a horrible year that obviously points, you know, to the offensive play calling. I think that would be the next step...The first step would be bringing a full time play caller…”
    (Coach Brown, 52:15)
  • “Not making the College Football Playoff would be a catastrophe.”
    (CJ Vogel, 55:11)

6. Cam Coleman & Wide Receiver Praise

• Viral highlight catch in camp has drawn comparison to Julio Jones from Sark.
  • “I would probably say Julio Jones at Atlanta, Julio was similar that way, you know that, that had that ability to go make those high point, those balls the way that he does...Cam can still run...he’s not a possession guy. He can run.”
    (Sark via officers, 56:50–57:55)
• Cam Coleman’s versatile usage—a likely focal point and showcase for WR skills in Sark’s offense.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Banter & Culture

• “Trash talk is all hypothetical, theoretical…Smack talk is real time, what’s actually happening, you know, it’s like Smackdown.”
  (Rod Babers, 06:37)
• “I can tell you, the ones that are doing the trash talking … those are the guys who can back it up. They can cash those checks they’re writing out there…”
  (Coach Brown, 08:38)
• “That’s why you talk most of your trash on three and outs. I’m still fresh.”
  (Rod Babers, 21:54)

History, Humor & CJ Vogel’s Name Reveal

• “...that’s how freakish of an athlete Ramonce Taylor is.”
  (Rod Babers, 33:13)
• “Let’s get the chat going here. I want everybody to join in the chat and tell us your best guess at what C.J. stands for …”
  (Coach Brown, 38:45)
• “Clay Jordan...That is actually a cool name. Props to Mama Vogel.”
  (Rod Babers, 45:08)

Analyst Insight on Expectations

• “If he doesn’t have his best offense this year, okay, maybe we do need to reconsider the play caller thing, because he should…He should have a top 20, top 15 offense this season.”
  (Rod Babers, 54:26)
• “...if Texas can win two of those three [LSU, Ohio State, Oklahoma], boy, they’re in for a special season.”
  (CJ Vogel, 37:13)

Player & Scheme Insight

• “Julio Jones is … I mean, again, that’s as good as it gets.”
  (CJ Vogel, 58:47)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Practice Physicality / Manning & Simmons Banter: 03:32–11:16
• Trash Talking in Camp History and Culture: 11:22–21:45
• Freak Athlete Throwback: 27:03–33:13
• Young Talent Watch: 50:22–51:31
• Season W-L Projections: 35:55–39:37
• Sark “Championship or Bust” Discourse: 52:15–55:26
• Cam Coleman Highlight & Julio Jones Comparison: 55:51–57:55
• CJ Vogel Name Game (Comic Relief Segment): 38:45–46:29

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Conclusion

This episode mixes rich football insight, candid practice breakdowns, and lively Longhorns lore. The crew’s authentic chemistry and blend of wit, competitive spirit, and analysis makes the “On Texas Football” podcast a must-listen (and, as this summary shows, a must-read for fans who missed the live show). The anticipation for the 2026 season is palpable: the stakes are clear, the leadership voices are emerging, and the Longhorns’ blend of talent and attitude has fan expectations sky-high.

Memorable Closer:
“Clay Jordan...That is actually a cool name. Props to Mama Vogel.”
(Rod Babers, 45:08)

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Transcript

[Coach Brown]

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[Rod Babers]

Hey, what's up folks? Welcome back to only Texas football and welcome back to the winning drive, the prime time edition. I'm lifetime Longhorn Rod Babies. Pleased to be joined by another lifetime Longhorn, the young prodigy himself, CJ Vogel and of course our own coach, former high school football coach at Bernie Capel, Brownwood, Belton Rotan. Also played college football at Abilene Christian. Coach there as well, was on the staff University of Texas for multiple head football coaches. These days you can catch his work, some of his work@shipley ranches.com and start on coach Bob Shipley. What's going on coach? How you feeling? Oh, oh, Coach is muted. Oh, here it come, here it comes. I said I'm doing great.

[Coach Brown]

I can't wait to hear the practice nuggets you guys have, man. What I'm reading is great stuff.

[Rod Babers]

Yeah, Bobby, Bobby and Jerry kind of met CJ as well. Man, you guys are in mid season form when it comes to dropping out. Some of them practice nugget shots. My man Hank. Great stuff over there. So just go check outside on Texas football.com we'll talk about some of it. But like I said, what we cover is just a smidgen, just a very small fraction of what is actually broken down over there on texas football.com all right, shout out to our sponsor. Shout out to Von Lang. Main prize picks. Hard Girl Roofing will tell you more about them coming up a little bit later on. Cj, you got a chance to hear, by the way, questions, comments, throw them out there. We'll try to address as many of them as we can. You guys know how it works. Super chats, jump to the front of the line. You can interrupt the show at any time. But cj, you got a chance to hear from the man. Steve Sarkeesian himself spoke to the media. What did you, what did you learn? Because there was some nice little nuggets. A few nuggets you actually dropped [e-mail] what was the, the thing that kind of got you most intrigued from the Sark media availability?

[CJ Bogle]

Yeah, I think. Well, there's a few things and we're going to talk about a couple of them. The first thing that Sark says or said often today was how physical practice has been. And Coach, you could probably speak to this, they're not yet in full pads, at least not consistently in full pads. And they won't be throughout the spring. Of course they'll have shoulder pads and helmets. Some days they'll have the bottom. Some days, of course, it'll just be shorts.

[Rod Babers]

Right.

[CJ Bogle]

But he says in the trenches, especially on the offensive line, there's been a lot of physicality. And I don't know if that's something that we've seen in every iteration of the Texas football team around week one or week two of fall camp, but that was something that in Sark's 2 1/2 minute opening statement, I think the word physical was brought up about 12 times.

[Rod Babers]

Wow.

[CJ Bogle]

So again, you know, sometimes we hear coach speak, sometimes we hear Steve Sarkeesian lay it out how it is. I'd like to think this is the latter of that and that Texas is really getting after it. But here's what I wanted to bring up. Boy, there's some competition in camp right now. There is a lot of competition and as a result, sometimes those emotions get a little high. Today Colin Simmons and Arch Manning coach. They were drawing a little bit and look, Matthew, give me the thumbs up whenever the clip is ready. But it is. We have it from Sark. Sark was saying that there's a little of a little mess talking from Arch Manning, the quarterback in practice. Something I love to hear. Something that outside of the doors of Moncrief, Arch probably doesn't get enough credit for.

[Jerry Hamilton]

Arch Loves football. He loves to practice, he loves to work. And it's funny because Arch probably talks a little more than people give him credit for outside of our building. So in practice, there's a good amount of banter that goes on. And now Arch has more confidence. He gives a little more of that banter. He gives a little more of that banter back. He and Column were getting into it today about a screenplay, and it was all out of fun. It's not nothing out of, like, negative. It's out of fun, but it's. You could see that they're loving practice, they're loving to practice. But I think that starts when your quarterback loves practice, when he's having fun being out there, and you can feel those guys responding that way.

[CJ Bogle]

I think one of the big things that Sark included in that, well, first and foremost, it's out of fun, right? It's out of competition. It's out of driving the other side of the football. But secondly, it's, hey, our quarterback loves football. And especially around this time next week will certainly play into this. Y' all have both been through camps like this in the heat of Austin, Texas. It's not going to be fun a week from now, right? Going into week three, you. You've hit each other every single day. You're. You're kind of tired of waking up at five in the morning for film or meetings or whatever. You're just ready to finally hit somebody else. But to hear that that's the case with our training, to hear that that's the case with Colin Simmons, the two guys that are the, you know, unequivocal leaders of both sides of the football, I think is very encouraging. Rod, that was something that fired me up today.

[Rod Babers]

I love it, man. And Sark dropping. Dropping the bomb there, too. I like it. But to me, this is. This is like, I don't know, the fourth or fifth report we've heard about Arch Manning and that he does. He likes. He's got some swag, and he does like to talk some trash at practice. Now, I know if it's smack talk or trash talk. By the way, as a connoisseur of both, as a db, there is a difference between smack talk and trash talk. Trash talk is all hypothetical, theoretical. You know, I mean, just kind of. You're spitting game out there. Smack talk is real time. What's actually happening, you know, it's like Smackdown. All right, so we don't, you know, I mean, so it is a difference, but we've heard that multiple times, and to me. And I'm not saying players who don't talk aren't confident, because that's not the case at all. Some guys, that's just not their style, not they vibe. They don't talk trash. I remember a great story from Kobe Bryant talking about LeBron James. He was like, yeah, LeBron James don't talk trash. It was weird. He was like, that's strange. I was up there talking trash. I'm trying to get in his head. I'm throwing all kind of stuff at him. And then LeBron was not. He was not reciprocating. He was like, man, it's a weird generation of basketball players. But so some guys just don't talk trash. That's not really what they do. So I'm not saying they're not confident, but guys who are talking, it usually means they're feeling themselves. They're starting to feel confident about their game. And so I think that's the important thing that Sharks started. He's starting to feel and witness that. Oh, man, my best players are. Are feeling. Are very confident right now, and they're practicing at a high level. That confidence is contagious. Coach, everybody on the team starts to get a little bit at smack talk, starting with the QB and. And the best defensive player on the team, maybe in a nation, you know, that, that, that. That's contagious. Everybody starts to get a little bit of that. And then it does increase the juice and practice to CJ's point. You need that juice. You. You need it two weeks in or a week and a half in, because two days. Hey, football. Football ain't. Ain't nobody ever said football was practice was fun. Football's fun. But practicing ain't always fun, especially when you're doing in heat.

[Coach Brown]

Yeah, you don't think. You don't think that Arch gets a lot of trash. Talk to him during the games, you know, about, you know, his lineage or his family or whatever, you know, I love it when he dishes it out. Now, let me, let me. I don't like it in high school. I never allowed it in high school. There's no place for it in college. Yeah, let's go. And I can tell you the ones that are doing the trash talking, like you said, Rob, those are the guys who are feeling it. Those are the guys who can back it up. They can. They can cash those checks they're writing out there talking smack, you know?

[Rod Babers]

Yeah, no, you're right, Coach. I never talk trash unless I felt like I could back it up. That's that's the worst feeling. Talking trash and then somebody made up, making plays on you. It's like, that ain't good.

[CJ Bogle]

Yeah. You don't want to look like Tyreek Stevenson, the cornerback for the Bears, pumping up the crowd before Hail Mary. He's the one that ultimately gets scored on there. But, coach, wait, if you don't mind, expand on that a little bit, because in today's era of nil, where it's probably fair to say two of those guys, Colin Simmons, Archman Eric. Two of your what? Top three, maybe your top two most expensive players on the roster, for them to be the ones that are kind of leading the charge, does that in a way just set the overall tone? I mean, do you like it that it's those two specifically that are going at it with one another?

[Coach Brown]

Absolutely. I think it's. I think it's great. I think. I think those guys understand the leadership role that's been placed on their shoulders. And, you know, I. I think it gets a rest of the team juice, you know, I mean, here's my leader out there and he's talking smack. It may not be talking about, you know, it could. It could be who knows what the trash talking about or I don't know the difference. Rod, I'm sorry you're. You're trash and smack. But it's all. It's all one of the same to me. Most of my career, like I said, you kept your mouth shut, let your play and do the talking for you. But yeah, I think it's. I think it's healthy. I think it's. I think it's a great sign of a vibe that this team has, and I think it builds a confidence of the players that are around Sark and around. I mean, that around Arch and that around Colin, you know, that we're. We're. Yeah, this guy's a real deal, you know, and those two guys are the real deal, as you said, the true leaders of the offense and the defense going at it.

[Stevie Lee]

Yeah, let's go.

[Coach Brown]

Let's go. It brings. I mean, you know, it brings a level up of everybody around him, in my opinion.

[CJ Bogle]

Give me pumped up. Raleigh Brown is another one that brings the energy.

[Stevie Lee]

Yeah.

[Rod Babers]

I mean, but think about it. I think you have that the staff is different like that, too. That's more. That's definitely more talking on that staff now with must champ there because must have just a very vocal guy. He's not necessarily talking trash or talking smack. He's just coaching. And he coaches loud.

[Coach Brown]

I can tell you this firsthand experience when you got coaches talking smack or trash or whatever you want to call it, rod to each other now, that's, that's, that's when it gets real.

[Rod Babers]

Yet that's when it gets real.

[Coach Brown]

That's when the players, they start taking it personal. You talking trash to my coach?

[Rod Babers]

Yeah, yeah.

[Coach Brown]

I mean it's, I've, I ever seen anybody throw down out there, but I've seen some guys get after it. You know, maybe it's supposed to be a non contact drill or you're not supposed to touch a quarterback or you know, whatever. And coaches start yapping and it just gets the players really pumped up.

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[Rod Babers]

Yeah, I love that. That's a good point. I like that. And I remember that I forgot what game it was. Remember some game like the players were talking smack to Sarko and it actually did get the players riled up like because it was one of the players. He made a place talking smack the Sarca. Then the guys came up to defend their coach. I did see we were talking about in the chat, I think it was Marco. Did I ever talk trash to Roy Williams? He. I bet Jaluki is great. So I'm saying I think Jalukis between Jaluki mushroom. Yeah. Yes, I did talk a lot of trash to Roy Williams. Roy Williams was very. What's the word? He was kind of like, he wasn't like an introvert or anything, but he was just kind of, you know, quiet when he first got there, like for the team. Like, because when he first got there, he was already. He's one of those guys best, one of the top five players on the team when he got there. So it's like, hey man, we're expecting a lot from you. Like you, you are already one of the best players. Hey, let's, let's see what you got. And he was reserved at times. So we all, we, we literally had conversations about we got to pull that dog out in him because he was a player. He was. But we got to pull that dog at him. So. Oh, that basically we and you still had like open practices in or one on ones were open to the public. So we would make it our, our mission to, to get Roy Williams, like get that dog out in him because run. I'll give you a nugget about Roy Williams didn't go. Didn't go out. Didn't go out like, like a lot and like with the players and everything, like out on the town until he got to the NFL. Really, he didn't do it.

[Coach Brown]

They didn't bring bleachers out for open practices. Oh yeah, there were bleachers on the left side of the field for fans to come sit in. That's unheard of now.

[Rod Babers]

That is unheard of. Okay, before. I know we're gonna get to. I know we got Stevie coming up and I want to get to this other Sark clip as well coming up. But let's first thank a couple of our sponsors, thank our friends at Von Lane just really quickly and then we'll dive into the conversation with Stevie. Shout out to our friends over at Von Lane. Hey, folks, football season is here. Uh, no better way for to get to the games. Then do it with Von Lane. If you're traveling from H town, the Woodlands or north Houston. Listen up, folks. Von Lane just launched a new route between Austin and the Woodlands. So you can book trips now through October. So football season, you think about getting into town for those game days. Traffic can be a nightmare. Of course, parking can also be a nightmare. You don't have to worry about any of that with our friends over at Vaughn Lane. So if you're also traveling from DFW or from Dallas, you can also think about the Von Lane for game days if you're a ut. But if you're traveling for business or for personal reasons, you should always consider the Vaughn Lane. It is a top notch, first class travel experience on the ground. You board in minutes at a private hotel terminal. No tsa, no security checks. You ain't gotta worry about delayed flights. Matter of fact, my wife's on a flight now. She's delayed. All right. She's actually gotta spend the night in Salt Lake City. All right. I'm sure Salt Lake City is a great place, but you'd rather not have to do that.

[Jerry Hamilton]

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[Stevie Lee]

Weekend was great man. How was yours?

[Rod Babers]

It was good man. Good weekend. Football, I mean no, football, that's my, what's my football? Are you, how you doing? Football? And so people ask you like say how's your day going? Football, Football. Don't ask a man how he's doing the football season. He's doing damn good. He's focusing on the big Game coming up. No matter what game it is that week, it's a beautiful thing. Stevie, let me ask you this, man, because we were just talking about this, about trash talk, because, sorry, throughout there that, you know, Arch is feeling themselves talking some smack out there, which we all like to hear that, because that means he's got the swag. And you need swag if you're gonna win it. All right? Because Vy talked a lot of trash all the time. That was just part of his game. Who were. I guess I may have just named one. But who do you remember as the biggest trash talkers back when we played on the team?

[Stevie Lee]

Biggest trash talker. I remember actually Dee Lewis getting into it with someone.

[Rod Babers]

Dee Dee probably did talk a lot.

[Jerry Hamilton]

Yeah.

[Stevie Lee]

But I also remember. I remember that Sean Rogers went down my freshman year after I went down, after I was out for the season. He had a twisted.

[Rod Babers]

I remember that.

[Stevie Lee]

And I remember it was a dirty play, actually. I can't remember the team we played against. And Casey Hampton got real pissed, right?

[Rod Babers]

Oh, yeah.

[Stevie Lee]

So Casey was at the line of scrimmage when they were about. Well, they were in. The other team was in the huddle. He was MF in the whole. He was mad, like, pissing mad. The referee came to the sideline and said, told Coach Tyler, you need to calm your guy down. I'm about to put him out.

[Rod Babers]

The game was mad.

[Stevie Lee]

And I was like, man, let that man cook. You know, as long as he's playing within the leagues of the game, let him cook. You know? So, yeah, it was. I've never seen anybody that mad before in a football game. And he balled out. But Sean. Sean went down and he went and fought for his brother, man. It was. It was a sight to see and that. And that actually catapult us into the leadership. You know, a player led team back then. Yeah. When someone goes down due to a dirty play, like he was engaged with a guy and another guy just came and put his helmet right on his ankle. Yeah, yeah. And so that. That made me realize, man, I'm in a different place right now, man. These guys are fight. We are fighting for each other. That's why Coach Brown made me travel as a true freshman. That was red shirt. I traveled to all the games. He made me travel because there was some things that you can. You can see traveling on the sideline that you won't catch on the. On tv, you know?

[Rod Babers]

Yep.

[Stevie Lee]

That. That's that. And it was truly a player led team right there.

[Rod Babers]

Great story.

[Coach Brown]

Yeah.

[CJ Bogle]

Well, speaking of Player led. You know, I think a lot of that stems from the guys that we just talked about. Colin Simmons, Trevor Goosby, Arch Manning. You know, they see everything that goes on in the trenches. We. We hear from coach and Rod all the time about the trash Talk of DBs and wide receiver. Stevie, what is trash talk like in the trenches? Is it different than, you know, we hear about one on ones and stuff?

[Stevie Lee]

So.

[Rod Babers]

Good question.

[Stevie Lee]

I think in the. In the trenches, man, we. We talk trash when our hand is in the ground, right? So right before the ball snaps, you might hear something about somebody's mama, right? And then, you know, once. Once the ball is snapped, then, you know, we are. We are fighting hand to hand combat. And then after the play, you might hear a couple things after that, that. But big boys are so tired, man. We can't say too much down here. We trying to catch our breath, man.

[Rod Babers]

That's true right there.

[Stevie Lee]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it can get real contentious right before the ball snapped, but after that, man, you're too tired, man.

[Rod Babers]

That's why you're trying to get that three, and that's why you talked most of your trash on three and outs. I'm still fresh.

[Stevie Lee]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Rod Babers]

Oh, man, that is. That's hilarious. Let me ask you this, because we're hearing really good things from a. About a young Justice Terry. Obviously, big things were expected from him, but.

[Stevie Lee]

Yeah.

[Rod Babers]

What are your thoughts on Justice Terry? He. He may be your most disruptive force in the interior D line. Maybe a little undersized, but, you know, it might be a theme on this defense still. Maybe you're best playmaker at the interior D line potentially.

[Stevie Lee]

So I haven't gone to practice yet, man, and I hear people talking. CJ Is saying some things, you know, always, but I got to put my eyes on it, man.

[Rod Babers]

So I'm.

[Stevie Lee]

I'm gonna give y' all the actual truth whenever I come back and I see him. But I do hear nice, good things about them. So my biggest worry, I told y', all, is the interior tackles and the.

[CJ Bogle]

The interior.

[Coach Brown]

Really?

[Stevie Lee]

For the tackles in the whole line.

[Rod Babers]

Yeah, right. The guts. The guts, yeah. Yeah.

[Stevie Lee]

Offensive line, too. So, yeah, I. I think the way they're talking and everything like that, I hope they're not small, blowing smoke, but I'll go out there and check it out, see if they're holding their own, man. I wanna. I want to see them play on the other side of the ball. Ball, you know? Yeah. I want to see them complimenting Simmons and other linebackers on the other side of the ball playing actual, you know, behind the line of scrimmage defense.

[CJ Bogle]

Well, Stevie, we do need to get you out there. And again, we know that you won't unveil government secrets, but we need to hear about the Stevie stamp of approval because that is obviously something that carries a lot of weight.

[Rod Babers]

Yeah.

[CJ Bogle]

Joe Sia Sharma is an interesting one for me because he earned the nickname Dancing Bear. Look, I don't. I don't know.

[Coach Brown]

I.

[CJ Bogle]

He's 345, 350 pounds, but folks are saying that he can move really well at that size. That's another one I, I want to hear about the Stevie stamp of approval on. Is Josiah Sharma going into YouTube again?

[Stevie Lee]

I haven't seen him yet, but when I was. They're big. They are big. That's. That's a big one right there. Now, Dancing Bear, that's hard to come by. Like, who was a Dancing Bear when we were. It was. It was t Heels, wasn't it? But Tony Hills got the Dancing Bear name because he used to dance in the club. Like,

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[Stevie Lee]

He was big, but he was quick. He was good on his rhythm, huh? Yeah, he had the rhythm in the club, actually. So he was a literal dancing bear. But yeah, if you're gonna get the nickname dancing bear, you gotta show it, son.

[Rod Babers]

Yeah, I never heard that. Oh, I gotta talk when I see t heels again. Now I'm breaking that.

[Stevie Lee]

That's great.

[Rod Babers]

Okay, real quick. I want to ask you this before we let you go. I saw Colin Simmons was on the Bruce Feldman who does the hundred biggest. Like the 100, the list of the 100 freakiest athletes in college football. And I would say last year Trevor Goosby made it. This year Colin Simmons made it from the Texas roster. He does it from every roster in college football. Just kind of compiles a list of freaks, basically physical freaks in our day who would have been known the list, if it existed in our day as one of the biggest freaks. And like you can make the hundred biggest athletic freaks in college football. Who would have made the list in our day?

[Stevie Lee]

The roster that we were on, I

[Rod Babers]

think I actually got like four or five guys I think would have made it.

[Stevie Lee]

That's exactly what I was gonna say.

[Rod Babers]

I'm not joking. I'm serious.

[Stevie Lee]

100. That's exactly what I was gonna say, so. Because you can.

[Rod Babers]

Quentin Jammer jams on my list.

[Stevie Lee]

The freak of nature with him. He can stand up straight and scratch his chins. That's how he has so many PBUs. And then Rory Williams just.

[Rod Babers]

He's also on the list.

[Stevie Lee]

Yeah, Roy Williams. And guess who else I got? Leonard Davis. Come on.

[Rod Babers]

He's also on my list.

[Stevie Lee]

Davis, come on. It looked like he had not an ounce of fat on him, but he was truly, he was. He was the modern day Goliath, you

[Rod Babers]

know, like, yes, that you're right about that. Yeah, he was. Yeah, he was a mammoth human being.

[Stevie Lee]

He headbutted me once in practice and I. I can never live that down. And I love, love, love how shifty. Cedric Benson was. He.

[Rod Babers]

He. Yeah, yeah.

[Stevie Lee]

The way he ran the ball, it was like magic to me. That was the first time I seen a guy run the ball like that. You know, I'm from Louisiana, where we, we, we. My high school just threw the ball everywhere. So I've never seen a running back like that that be so shifty. Get the ball Put his foot in the ground and shift like that. But the freak of nature. Those are, those are the three of my. Definitely three. I can probably scoop another. Who do you happen?

[Rod Babers]

I had, I had those three and I put Derek Johnson. I think Derrick Johnson would have made the list.

[Stevie Lee]

Oh yeah. How big he was and can run. He ran down running backs.

[Rod Babers]

People forget like out of high school. I want to say this dude was running some freakish hundred time like a 105 or something crazy now. It was sick.

[Stevie Lee]

Somebody wrote in the chat or they, they wrote Brian Iraqpo.

[Rod Babers]

Yeah, right.

[Stevie Lee]

When I was a senior he was a red shirt so I, I didn't put him in there.

[Rod Babers]

He wasn't our day. Yeah, you're right. He would have made a list. But you're right.

[Commercial Announcer]

Yeah.

[Stevie Lee]

Yes, but. And then someone has Ramon's Taylor right here.

[Rod Babers]

No question.

[Stevie Lee]

I remember going to Gregory Jim, watching the guys play basketball and people would tell Ramont to do a right handed windmill. Switch your hands in the left and he would do it in the air. This dude was a freak of nature. He's extremely talented, had bounce. He can do anything on the football field. He can do anything on a basketball court. That was a actual athlete, man. But I didn't play with those guys. I just was, you know, around those guys. So these are the guys I, I got that I played with. Yeah. Number one though. Number one hands down to me is Leonard Davis. It's just going to be Leonard Davis, man.

[Rod Babers]

I love that. No, I put, and I put Sean Rogers on there too. Because Sean Rogers was more of an athletic freak than Casey was. Casey was a better football player.

[Stevie Lee]

Yeah.

[Rod Babers]

Look at freakish traits. Sean actually had Casey beat with freakish traits. Longer arms, longer wingspan. He actually remember he would like go360 windmill dunks and stuff doing crazy stuff like in the gym. That dude had 330 pounds, whatever he was. Yeah.

[Stevie Lee]

The only thing that, the only thing that knocked me out. I don't want to talk bad about my brother, but he'll tell you anyway that he, he would get tired and take a couple plays off.

[Rod Babers]

Oh no, no, that was. No, that's why Casey was a better player because Casey.

[Stevie Lee]

Yeah.

[Rod Babers]

That was not one play did he ever take on. Remember this is Kate Quick, the quick Casey story. Casey. I remember Mac Brown after we got blown out in 2000 by Oklahoma in a winning national title. We got blown out in that game. Matt. That's one of the first times Mac went and just undressed us. And we deserved it by the way. After that Game. And then Mac said, basically, I kind of undressed myself, too, because I, you know, was humiliated as well. And he said he talked to the late, great Darryl K. Royal, and he said, yeah, Coach, nobody played well. Not one person on my damn roster played well. And then Derek Royce, like, you need to go watch the film. Go watch the film.

[Stevie Lee]

Yeah.

[Rod Babers]

And he was like, casey Hampton. And then Max and I went back and watched it. He's like, all right. One guy played well. Max tells it Back's a great storyteller. And also, before we let you go, the Romance Taylor story. Dude, I actually emceed a Ramonce Taylor, like, celebrity basketball game. It was like, mirror. Most got tight, like, back. It was probably. I mean, it was years after you play. It was probably maybe. Maybe 10 years ago. I don't even know if it. Maybe 10 years ago, something like that. And dude was still dunking. Dude was balding. They got a bald spot out there looking like. Looking old. Like, you know, he kind of little gimp up lip up to the. To the. To the basketball. Nope. On the court. No. When he got on the court, dude was still dunking. And I'm like, bro, what you. Oh, you're old, man. Now, how you still dunking?

[Coach Brown]

Who.

[Rod Babers]

What? I can't even get close to that. Now. That's how freakish of an athlete the most Taylor is.

[Stevie Lee]

Yeah, man, that. That. That. The way he. I mean, yeah. I just leave it at that, man.

[Rod Babers]

He.

[Stevie Lee]

He's just a great freak athlete, man.

[Rod Babers]

Yeah, no good. All right. Good stuff. Thank you, brother. I appreciate you taking the time. And we'll give a shout out to our friends at Hard Grove, but thank you. And tell family of yours we said hi.

[Stevie Lee]

Yeah, man, I appreciate the chat and everybody letting me and Rod reminisce right now, man, that was. That was.

[Rod Babers]

I know.

[CJ Bogle]

Come on.

[Stevie Lee]

I appreciate that, man. Y'.

[Coach Brown]

All.

[Stevie Lee]

Y' all have a good one, man. And hopefully I get out to practice one of these days. Cj, text me, let me know when you're going out there. I'll go out there, huh?

[CJ Bogle]

All right. We'll get it going.

[Stevie Lee]

All right.

[Rod Babers]

Appreciate you. Yeah, that's. We just dated ourselves with that conversation, too. Thank you to our friends. I've had Hard Grove roofing. Our friend Stevie. Stevie would not be on your roof. He's not that. I saw somebody. Somebody say, let Stevie do the foundation. Don't let him do the roof. He's not on the roof, but he can vouch for the character of the fine folks at Hard Girl Roof. They Do a great job. They'll do a great job for you as well. 512-645-3202. Offering a free roof inspection today. Offices all over Texas, Louisiana and Arkansas. But I can promise you they are the most pro burnt orange roofing company out there. So look no further than Hard Growth roofing dot com. Know who's on your roof with Hard Girl Roofing. All right, thank you. I never heard that T. He's about the dancing bear. I like that. That was good. All right, let's get back. Okay. First we'll do a couple super chats. Then we're gonn back to Sark Audio because there are a couple other nuggets that Sark said at the media availability that I want to get you guys thoughts on. But first, super chats. Who's up? Billy Woods. What's up, Billy? Thank you for the super chat. We really appreciate it says Rob B. Being in the trenches years ago and seeing our talent. What is your walk away in wins and losses? I got 10 and 2. I have not, I will admit this. I've been very inconsistent on what my two losses are. I've gone back and forth sometimes. I've, I've spoken at a couple of events and they always ask, hey, what's the record? Who did who. Who do you have winning, who you have winning against and who you have losing against? And they want to play the schedule game pretty much. You know, at these events I go to and I'll admit I have, I have gone back and forth. All right, I've been inconsistent. Sometimes I have losing Ohio State and sometimes I gotta lose the lsu. I think I've had him losing to one of the rivals at one point because my, the stat coach that I keep giving is that the last coach at Texas to win three straight games against A M and Oklahoma was Daryl K. Royal. It just don't happen very often and that's something Stark's gonna try to do. So I got 10 and two.

[CJ Bogle]

I mean, look, nine SEC games, plus Ohio State, Rod. I, I don't see an undefeated season. I don't.

[Rod Babers]

Yeah. Are you, are you closer to 10 and 2? Are you closer to 11 and 1 or 9 and 3 in your life?

[CJ Bogle]

I was closer to the 11. One, I believe whenever we did our, our roundtable a month or two ago, I had 11, one with a loss late to LSU. And yeah, you know, I kind of reasoned that a little, you know, in the sense that, you know, you. I, I hate the idea of a good loss. To hell with that. Right. But at some point, you know, you see a team lose a game right before the playoffs and everything kind of clicks before a postseason.

[Rod Babers]

Right.

[CJ Bogle]

Ohio State did that in 2023.

[Stevie Lee]

Yeah.

[CJ Bogle]

2024 with the loss to Michigan. And then obviously they smoke Tennessee, they defeat Texas, they win the national championship. But I, I, look, I, I think going on the road to Death Valley, I think it's gonna be challenging. I think Lane Kiffin's been known to score points against a Kirby Smart, Will Muschamp type of defense. So that's one that I've circled as probably the toughest game on the schedule right now. But boy, I, and I know the chat's gonna grill me on this. I keep looking at that game against Oklahoma and say, I think that's going to be right there as a top three toughest game for the Longhorns right up there with Ohio State, so, so if Texas can win two of those three, boy, they're in for a special season.

[Rod Babers]

Coach, I know you had them undefeated last year. What are you leaning this year, record wise?

[Coach Brown]

Realistically, 10 and 2, but I'm hopeful of 11 and 1.

[Rod Babers]

Yeah, I knew that because I think you have something.

[Coach Brown]

Yeah, Stevie and I both said 120 last year.

[Stevie Lee]

Yes.

[Rod Babers]

Remember that. Yeah, I won all that offense, offensive

[Coach Brown]

line and defensive line.

[Rod Babers]

So you saw that left guard position struggle a little bit. You're like, oh, that's definitely not going to be undefeated. But no, I, I think they'll have a lot of, I think not a lot, but I think you'll have one score, you'll probably have five one score games this season, five to six games that are within one score, eight points. And I think you'll end up having to have maybe one or two kind of like you did last year, a fourth quarter game winning drive or a fourth quarter comeback of some sort. That's just because you just play such a tough schedule. It's going to be one of them games where you're gonna, they're gonna be playing their best game and you're gonna have an off game, by the way. Don't mean you can't win. Mississippi State miss if they played one of their best games of the season, if not their best game, and you had a terrible first like 3/4 and still found a way to win the game. Kentucky was like that too. So that's, that's how football go. Yeah.

[Coach Brown]

Hey, let's get the chat going here. I want everybody to join in the chat and tell us your best guess at what C.J. stands for. Oh, in the great C.J. bowl.

[Rod Babers]

Oh, my God. I don't even. I. I'm not gonna lie.

[CJ Bogle]

Serious and cool reads are only. We don't need to be coming up with some crazy acronym.

[Rod Babers]

Yeah, we can't read it. Think he's crazy.

[CJ Bogle]

Cisco.

[Coach Brown]

Hey, you remember the Seinfeld episode?

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What?

[Rod Babers]

Nobody knew Kramer's first name, Cosmo, so

[Coach Brown]

I'm gonna say Cosmo. James V.

[Rod Babers]

Cosmo. Oh, my God. If y' all think Cosmo, you are now Cosmo. Oh, man. If he's Cosmo, coach, he's Cosmo for life now with me. I'm never gonna call you C.J. again. You'll be.

[Coach Brown]

We just went off the tracks on this.

[Rod Babers]

No, I love it. No, I love this is this. No, this is priority number one. Cedric James is good. Cedric James is good. Was in the chat, coach, before you introduced this topic.

[Coach Brown]

Oh, Christy James.

[Rod Babers]

Now we're in.

[Coach Brown]

Chris,

[Rod Babers]

is he a pimp? I mean, what?

[CJ Bogle]

Some of these names are pretty creative. I'll be honest.

[Rod Babers]

Cornelius, Jameson.

[Coach Brown]

Deal in the hat and the purple thing.

[Rod Babers]

I mean, it could be. CJ Isn't Daryl K. Royal. And it just K. Like, the middle name is just K. We don't stand.

[CJ Bogle]

Yeah.

[Rod Babers]

Like, I think it just stand. Like, literally. I think I remember hearing it like. Are you serious? Like, no, it's just cat. Like. No, we gotta stand for something.

[Coach Brown]

Like.

[CJ Bogle]

No, I think now, it's not that. But that would be kind of cool too,

[Rod Babers]

if you were just.

[Coach Brown]

We'll find out when we're about to. To. So you have to stay on our live stream to find out.

[Rod Babers]

Cadillac. James.

[CJ Bogle]

Cadillac.

[Rod Babers]

Now, that's a cool name. Mama Vogel's like, no, the problem is I. I don't.

[Stevie Lee]

I don't.

[CJ Bogle]

I wouldn't have had the speed to back up being named Cadillac.

[Stevie Lee]

Yeah.

[Rod Babers]

Oh, man. Yes, true. That's good point. You gotta be an athlete.

[Coach Brown]

Your name. Cadillac.

[CJ Bogle]

Yeah, that's all right. Let me just say, I don't have the style to back up being named Cadillac.

[Rod Babers]

Oh, man, I gotta tell you, I. A cj. Yeah. It could just be cj. Spell it out. I. I am, like, dumbfounded, stupefied. I did not know. Coach, do you know what it is? That a white man can't jump joke? Hello, Coach, do you know what it is? Is that why.

[Coach Brown]

I have no idea. I already gave you my guess.

[Rod Babers]

Yes, Cookie. J. I. I don't know. I don't think. Cj have you ever revealed what it is?

[Coach Brown]

Cj?

[CJ Bogle]

I don't know.

[Rod Babers]

Dang.

[CJ Bogle]

Eight o'. Clock. I Will right as we get off. I will.

[Coach Brown]

Oh, okay. Yes, she did work for se dealership. So Cadillac is definitely a possibility.

[Rod Babers]

That would be awesome if it was Cadillac. Talk about nil deals. We can get that done. Come on, Cadillac Davidson Vogel.

[Commercial Announcer]

Third.

[Coach Brown]

No, he'd be trained.

[Jerry Hamilton]

It.

[Rod Babers]

Was that the third? Clyde Jones. Oh, man. If CJ was a Clyde, I also would appreciate that.

[CJ Bogle]

I'd be saying the hell with cj. Y' all are calling me Clyde.

[Rod Babers]

At least you appreciate how cool Clyde is.

[CJ Bogle]

I'd have a top hat, a cane. Every Clyde that's ever had. That's ever lived has had a top hat and a cane. They had swag.

[Rod Babers]

Clyde is one of the names where. Yeah, it fits for you to wear like a nice cool hat. You. You shop at a. What they call them a haberdashery for your hat. That's how good. Cinnamon jelly roll. What is he.

[CJ Bogle]

I'm putting together a three piece suit just to go to the store.

[Rod Babers]

Calvin Johnson is actually a simple. But simple into the point. Okay, I would say this, cj, if your first name Corn Jerry. If your first name is cooler than cj, I'm just gonna call you that. Man. I gotta call you a Christian name because it's really cool. But you said Esther Jefferson.

[CJ Bogle]

I don't think.

[Rod Babers]

Oh, man, it's nothing.

[CJ Bogle]

That's crazy. It's not been mentioned. The first name. Actually. I don't think either coverage dramatic here.

[Rod Babers]

Wow.

[CJ Bogle]

All right.

[Rod Babers]

Bad idea.

[Coach Brown]

Sorry.

[Rod Babers]

Cj.

[CJ Bogle]

I. I am glad. Coach, we haven't seen Sandman in here for the last five minutes, so.

[Rod Babers]

Oh, he's cooking something up. That's what Sam. He's trying to. He's. He's waiting on the big reveal. He's gonna throw out his one line. You know how he likes to do it.

[CJ Bogle]

It's. It's not been mentioned yet. And I'm. I'm either name hasn't been mentioned yet. I'm kind of surprised.

[Coach Brown]

Whoa.

[Rod Babers]

We way off looks y' all joking around though. Y' all not even being serious. I just had Chevrolet Jackson. That is a great name. Jackson is a great name. Damn. I was wishing you have a boy.

[Coach Brown]

You got lots of cjs out there.

[Rod Babers]

Yeah. Jesus. Corn Dog Jackson is not bad either. Oh, man.

[Coach Brown]

Okay, let's get back on track.

[Rod Babers]

Honestly, now I can't think about anything else. Coach, now you've hijacked my brain. I like to think about is what.

[CJ Bogle]

Because it's this Coach, this would have been a great May or July.

[Rod Babers]

It really was. I found Coach like The training camp to talk about this.

[CJ Bogle]

Oh, we do have a first name. Someone's got the first name.

[Rod Babers]

What is it? Cletus?

[CJ Bogle]

Austin T. He's got the first name.

[Rod Babers]

Oh, Clay.

[CJ Bogle]

Yeah, that's it. We got a ding, ding, ding middle name we gotta work on.

[Rod Babers]

Clay is okay. I did not expect that. I didn't see Clay coming. Okay.

[CJ Bogle]

Way to go, Mom. Way to go.

[Rod Babers]

Clay Jr. No, Clay is good, though. Okay.

[Stevie Lee]

All right.

[Rod Babers]

We'll hit the super chats and see, and maybe somebody will get in the meantime. And then we'll hit that start cut before we get out of here, too, because I want to hit that.

[Coach Brown]

Marco.

[Rod Babers]

Marco. Polo.

[Coach Brown]

Clay. Jordan.

[Rod Babers]

Jordan. You're at Jordan. Oh, man.

[CJ Bogle]

Come on.

[Rod Babers]

Wow.

[CJ Bogle]

We do have a winner. Well done. Well done, Marco.

[Rod Babers]

Y' all like the name Jordan? Clay Jordan. That is actually a cool name. Props to Mama Vogel. I like the name. I like. I like the Christian name.

[CJ Bogle]

Clay Jordan. Look, I liked it, too. Glad my dad was calling me CJ before I was born. Really got the opportunity to go by Clay.

[Rod Babers]

So you never were a Clay, Clay?

[CJ Bogle]

No, never. No.

[Rod Babers]

In, like, the world. Interesting substitutes. Maybe you can do your alter ego, man. You know what I mean, Clay. All right, that's. That's worthy of a woo. That's more than a Rick Flair woo right there. We finally figured out CJ's Christian name. We love that. And Mama. And Mama Vogel is hanging out with us, so we appreciate that, too. All right, Lisa. Mama Vogue said we came up with that name, but Daddy called him CJ before he left the hospital. Hospital. So no Clay ever, maybe. Have you ever?

[Coach Brown]

Only when you were in trouble.

[CJ Bogle]

Yeah, well, it doesn't happen, too.

[Rod Babers]

I wonder when you get. When you get married, your wifey. What Wifey's gonna call you whenever you get married? Wifey might go Clay. Wifey might go old school because wifey might want to be different than everybody else. Just so you know. That's. That's a. That's a thing. I would throw the hell out of him in high school. Why? Because he was Clay Jordan. Clay Jordan's got some swag, too.

[Coach Brown]

It.

[CJ Bogle]

Come on.

[Rod Babers]

I mean, Jordan in the middle. That's. That's that's swag.

[Jerry Hamilton]

Coach.

[Rod Babers]

Coach appreciates that because Coach like the name Jordan, too. All right, let's get back to the super chats here. Thank you. See, Coach hijacked the show with a great topic. All right, all right, all right, all right. Says anybody who talked trash at first but kept their mouth shut after getting humbled. Y' all don't have to name names. Yeah, I mean, I'm trying to think of guys that happened to a lot got that talk. We're talking trash. And it got humbled like a situation specifically. It's tough because usually your trash talk is in football, it's directed at, you know, somebody like, you're not just trucking trash to the whole offense. Well, maybe you're like Casey Hampton. You are, but I was never Casey Hampton. So I'm not talking trash to the whole offense. I'm usually talking to one specific wide receiver. And I was pretty reserved. I usually waited till I made plays before I started talking trash. I was just gonna talk trash. I was pretty reserved. I started making some plays, and then you probably couldn't shut me up after that.

[Coach Brown]

The DBs that I've seen that talk trash and get burned, they're. They point to somebody else like, hey,

[Rod Babers]

man, that was your guy. Oh, you do this, coach, you like, you put your hands up.

[Coach Brown]

Like the receiver looks back at the quarterback. Like, what was that?

[Rod Babers]

What's up? What am I helping? You're in man to man. What you mean, what am I helping? I never did that, though. I. I would. If anybody knows CB Wood, I. I got beat. I never looked back and try to blame somebody else when I got beat. I don't think might have done it. If I did it, it was actually warranted. Somebody, they. Somebody did not help me or they were supposed to help me. All right, good question there. I. Charlo man says, tell us why the Tennessee game will be difficult and why Texas can win. Jim Knowles. Jim Knowles has had a lot of success with his system versus Sark, whether at Oklahoma State or whether Ohio State. Sark has yet to win that chess match, and he is now the defensive coordinator for Tennessee. That's one little nugget.

[CJ Bogle]

Yeah. Desean Bishop, that run game, you know that that's a scheme that isn't very fun to scheme against that offensive scheme with. Josh Hypo. Look, they spread the field, they go quick. They like to run the football to establish things. And look it, it's gonna be twofold here, right? Desean Bishop ran for a thousand yards, 1076 yards, I believe is what it was a year ago. He's returning as one of the more experienced, productive running backs in this room. And I think that offensive line is very solid now. It's a gimmicky offense again. It's a lot of half field RPOs, a lot of. Lot of speed, a lot of space, getting the running game Going is going to be key and Tennessee has to get the run game going because whoever the quarterback is, whether it's Faison, Brandon, whether it's George McIntyre, that's going to be either a redshirt freshman or a true freshman making their fourth ever start against Colin Simmons and Rashim Biles and the rest of this Texas defense, I know they're playing at home, but that's not, you know, that, that, that's not an easy thing to do. So that's kind of the reason for hesitancy. But that offense, they know how to score points. They, they've done it. I mean I think they dropped 38 or 40 on Georgia a year ago. So that's kind of the baseline that I look at and say can you play with a new quarterback? We'll, we'll see very early if they can.

[Rod Babers]

Good stuff. CJ thank you for the super chat. We appreciate it. Next up is Kelly, I believe is Kelly there? Thank you for the super chat.

[Jerry Hamilton]

Kelly.

[Rod Babers]

Who are some of the young bucks who no one is talking about because not expected to play much when you watch them practice points to a bright future. I think there are a few guys. That is a great question. Thank you for the super chat. I feel like there are a few guys that been mentioned in the practice reports that I don't think they're going to have a huge impact this season. But you can tell coaches are already pleasantly surprised with their early progress.

[CJ Bogle]

I think Cosio, Paula comes to mind first. You know, we've talked about him on the channel a number of times. I know Jerry's written about him. We, we did a video last night with Jeff Howe as well. Just kind of breaking down where the tears are. I think he's ascending into that Derek Cooper, Jermaine Bishop, Richard Wesley kind of tier when it comes to overall, you know, just exceeding expectations in year one. And I'll throw this name out as well, Rod, because I know that you watched his tail tape coming out of high school, but given that there's a little bit of uncertainty at the moment at the safety spot right there are snaps for grabs at the moment. Kenneth Ray Davis make an impact. Can he be a guy? Because you go back to his, his, you know, big thing coming out of Colorado, he was a two way player, I believe set records or had like a seven or eight touchdown game as a wide receiver. Not to mention he added an interception or two in that saying it was an unbelievable like you couldn't script it on the video game. But if he's someone that can, you know, kind of claw out some, some burn this year as a true freshman. I think that would bode very well for his long term career at Texas.

[Rod Babers]

Not ball skills and instincts. Look, his ball skills and instincts are next level. He's got really good ball skills and his instincts are fantastic. And as a safety position, I mean, really could help him, you know, make plays earlier, but also be somebody that can, like you said, separate. When he does get those few snaps to impress, he can be one of those guys that really can make a, make a splash impression. All right, thank you for that super chat, Kelly. We appreciate it. Next up is Clayton. Coach, I don't throw this one at you, says, hey fellas, I heard Josh Pate saying that this is championship or bust for start this year. If we don't win the ship, he may be looking for a new job. Thoughts? Hell of a job as always, guys.

[Coach Brown]

I wouldn't, I wouldn't go that far. Definitely play, you know, couple rounds in the playoffs, I think at a minimum, I would think. But even at that, with the talent on this team, I don't know how, I don't know how. Unless it's just a horrible year that obviously points, you know, to the offensive play calling. I think that would be the next step. The first step would be bringing a full time play caller, you know, and see, see how, you know, you don't just fire a guy, you know, they always give him a do over. And so a head coach will hire another coordinator or whatever. Whether it's offense or defense or whatever. We've got the new defensive coordinator in. I would think that would be the next step. If the offense struggles this year. Year, I think you look at a full time offensive coordinator.

[CJ Bogle]

Hey, coach, have you ever. I don't like phrasing it like this, but have you ever been around an offense or a team, maybe one side of the football where you just feel like there's too much talent to fail? Like, is that ever a thought process that, hey, our guys are just that good, sometimes they'll just bail me out?

[Coach Brown]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think so. But it's a very dangerous way to feel as a head coach. You know, you've got to feel like, okay, what am I going to do if this is shut down? What do I do if this is shut down? What do I do if they take this away from me? And that's a job as a play caller. Whether you're offensive or defensive is being able to have a counter to what they're doing. Because as talented for example, as our receiver room is our top three or four guys, you know, one of the top three receiver rooms in the country, in my opinion. You know, what if they did something? What's the answer going to be, you know, to that? Because you can't expect, you know, we've all seen the, you know, Cam's great one handed catch, you know, and all that stuff. You think, well, that guy's going to bail me out. I promise you. Those coaches aren't thinking that way. They're not thinking, yeah, these guys are going to, to bail me out if I have an off game. You can't have an off game. There's no room in the schedule to have an off game.

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[Rod Babers]

Yeah, no, I, I agree with you on that, Coach. I think Sark has earned, you know, the trust, right, that if they don't meet expectations here, and the only reason, the only way you can call this season a failure, if they don't make the playoffs, it's a failure. You make the playoffs, give you a chance, a shot, the championship, you know, hey, then you just, you know, you're going against great teams on your way to championship every week. So that's the only rig. It can be a disappointment for me if they don't make the Coswell playoff, which I think they will. And Sark should have his best offense at Texas. I agree with Coach on that, too. If he doesn't have his best offense this year. Okay, maybe we do need to reconsider the play caller thing because he should have his best offense. He should have a top 20 top 15 offense this season.

[CJ Bogle]

Yeah, well, he might have four top 15 top 20 picks. Right. That level of high, high end college football talent is there. Not making the College Football Playoff would be a catastrophe.

[Rod Babers]

Agreed. Yeah, that's what somebody's got to answer for that if they don't make the College Football Playoff and they're this talented. But I don't think we're having that discussion and I don't think we're gonna need to have that discussion. Okay. Before we get out of here, I want to hit this, this. I wonder if CJ Hit this quote from Sark, speaking of receivers and the offense. This is why the expectations are so high for this offense and Cam Coleman in particular being one of those guys.

[CJ Bogle]

C.J. yeah, he, he was asked today has he ever seen or coached a wide receiver that he could relate. Cam Coleman to, of course, is coming on the heels of what was one of the more ridiculous camp highlight catches that I've seen in Recent memory, of course. Running over the middle, Cam Coleman leaping backward, almost grabbing the ball one handed. That was thrown behind him. What a great pass. But just coming down with that, finishing the play, running into the end zone. I know it wasn't, you know, fully thud or tackle or anything like that, but he was asked, hey, what's the closest wide receiver that you've seen to him in all your years of coaching? Julio Jones was mentioned by Steve Sarkeesh.

[Jerry Hamilton]

That's crazy catch, man. I don't, I don't know, like I tried to check his gloves, thought it was the old school.

[Coach Brown]

Stick him on there.

[Jerry Hamilton]

That was a heck of a play.

[Coach Brown]

How does this catch radius compare to other receivers that you've coached?

[CJ Bogle]

And that's give you more confidence to

[Coach Brown]

play caller and more confidence for Arch too.

[Jerry Hamilton]

I think that's one of his strengths, right? I mean everybody's got strengths and weaknesses in their game and one of his strengths is his catch much radius. But beyond that it's the balance and body control. There's a lot of tall receivers with long arms, but it's his ability to have the right balance and body control and timing on balls. You know, because you can have a high pass, but to time your jump, to contort your body and then to have the ability to make a catch like that, I just think speaks to the catch, catch radius, but also the, the body control to, to, to make those types of plays. And then the hand, the hands, right? I mean you have to have the ability to catch it too. I would probably say Julio Jones at Atlanta, Julio was similar that way, you know that, that had that ability to go make those high point, those balls the way that he does and you know, and still be a vertical threat like Camp can still run, you know, he's not a possession guy. He can run and, and Julio was that way.

[CJ Bogle]

I mean that's high praise because you talk about what the top three or four wide receivers of the last 20 years are. I mean it's Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones, I would say Antonio Brown is in that conversation. Those are who you lead the conversation with now. A long way to go for Cam Coleman to even be mentioned in that name. But hey, you see the physical trait, great. And the one thing I love that Sark mentioned at the very end of that is, hey, but he can run with the ball afterward because he did not do that at Auburn, right? There wasn't much opportunity for him to create with his legs, with the ball in hands. Given the offense, given the quarterback, given just the situation he Was in entirely. Now I'm looking at it a little different. If that is something that Texas can unlock with Cam Coleman is the true athleticism after the catch, I would love it because Julio Jones is. I mean, again, that's as good as it gets.

[Rod Babers]

Coach, you know wide receivers better than any of us. What are your thoughts about hearing. Start comparing the. It's Julio Jones. And then after seeing that cat, I don't think I've heard your thoughts on. On the catch, the viral catch either.

[Coach Brown]

Yeah, it's incredible. I'm afraid to ask who threw that ball behind him like that. You know, all I've seen is like the rest of our viewers, you know, what, what we post and things like that. I have not been to practice yet, but it's really exciting. Jackson was at practice today and I said, who stood out to you? And he said, cam Coleman is a beast. That's all he said.

[CJ Bogle]

Hey, that's a sign of approval.

[Rod Babers]

Come on, say yeah, that's to our, to our audience. Hey, that, that stamp. Approval matters. And I'll say this the one thing that I'll say before we wrap up that conversation. I remember Chris Jackson saying when he spoke to the media that by the time it's all said and done, you'll see there's no weaknesses and flaws to his game. Because right now it's like, well, he doesn't have any yak yards in his career, right? Look at his yak opportunities. Look, he doesn't move around. He's not in the slot. You can't. He doesn't have position fluidity. He doesn't have access to the entire route tree. Those were limitations. More of the offense and not of the skill set. And I think he's saying no, no. By the time he's done here in Sark's offense, we putting him in the slot. We gonna put him flex. We're gonna put him in a minus split. We're gonna put them in bunches. We gonna. He only had one target behind the line of scrimmage last season. 1. Sorry. Sorry. Gonna give him like, I don't know, probably 12 to 15 of those to see if he can just be a yak daddy for him like easy completions so his job will be easier. He was. He had not smarter necessarily at Arvin and Sark's office is a work smarter and not harder offense for the wide receivers. So I think he'll be, like I said, I think he'll end up closing the gap on Jeremiah Smith. He won't be drafted ahead of Jeremiah Smith. That's not gonna happen. But can he close the gap between him and Jeremiah Smith? I think so. All right, before we get out of here, this is the super chat of the night in regards to the conversation coach brought up about what was CJ's. What does CJ stand for? We found out it was Clay Jordan. His mama called him Clay. I' ma call him Clay. Well done. All right, all right, all right. That's fast.

[CJ Bogle]

Well done.

[Rod Babers]

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[CJ Bogle]

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[Rod Babers]

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