
Rod Babers, CJ Vogel, and Bob Shipley dive into the latest Texas football storylines, starting with the massive upcoming commitment decision for five-star wide receiver Monshun Sales. The crew breaks down the Texas vs. Indiana battle, why the Hoosiers...
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Rod Davis
Hey, what's up folks? Welcome back to On Texas Football. I'm Lifetime Longhorn, Rod Davis, pleased to be joined by another Lifetime Longhorn, the young prodigy himself, CJ Vogel and our own coach, former high school football coach at Bernie Capell Brownwood, Delton Rotan. Also played college football at Abilene Christian. Coach there as well, was on the staff University of Texas for multiple head football coaches. These days you can catch his work@shipley ranches.com it's our own coach Bob Shipley. What's up coach? How you doing?
Coach
Doing good, man. Just been singing in the rain out here in West Texas.
Rod Davis
Yeah, there's a lot of rain. Actually some folks out there. Again, maybe a little too much rain. So y' all be safe out there. Folks out in San Antonio area getting a lot of rain too because we have flash floods and stuff. So folks just stay safe out there. Thank you to our friends over at Prize Picks. Von Lane Zen AI will tell you more about them coming up a little bit later on in this program, but the show belongs to you. Whatever you guys want to talk about, throw it out there. Questions? Comments we'll try to address as Many of them as we can super chats always jump to the front of the line. You can enter, interrupt the show at any time. Just throw out a super chat. We did release the on Texas football recent recent rankings of our top 40 which is the 11 through 20 so we can get to those rankings coming up a little bit. Our top 40 uh, best players on overall roster. Now it's, it's a composite of all of our UH different rankings. So represent on Texas we can get into that. Uh, also I did see a uh. I think Roto, uh, Roto wire was the one that put it out there. They, they put out the average age of every college football team in the country. And I was shocked where the Longhorns were. I hadn't done this kind of math and I'm glad they did it. So we'll talk about how where the Longhorns are ranked among the youngest and the oldest teams in college football. We'll get into that too coming up. And we'll talk about the teams with the most and the least amount of transfer acquisitions in the sec. I think that's an interesting conversation to dive into as well. That could be pretty good. But like I said, whatever you guys want to talk about, throw out there. But we. Before we get to all of that recruiting, I know it's the top of everybody's mind because tomorrow cj big announcement coming up tomorrow. Hey, what's up? Yes. Are you such a damn right they do you 703 no matter what time it is. What's up CB? Good to hear from everybody. Glad to see y' all in the chat, but big day tomorrow. CJ Munshan Sales, one of the top receivers in the country out of Indianapolis. He is supposed to be making this announcement tomorrow. Texas is in the conversation, right? Texas is there, but a lot of folks are believing that Indy, Indiana could be the front runner here.
Jeff Howe
Yeah, right now Texas and Indiana looked at as the two leaders in this recruitment. Alabama still kicking around. There was a report earlier today floating around that Alabama was expected to have a final call, final meeting with Sales and his family this evening. So we'll see if that turns the tide literally in that recruitment. But right now I would handicap it around a 53:47 Indiana lead. And again this is a guy number one wide receiver in the country. Indiana coming off of their national championship. You don't expect or haven't really ever expected a five star number one wide receiver to heavily consider the Hoosiers the way in which they are currently. But again that's the magic that is Kurt Signetti. I do think Indiana holds a slight lead here. But look, I'd be back a couple of cycles to when we landed in Atlanta for SEC media days then. And it was Justice Terry that was committing to the Texas Longhorns, or I guess that was for the SEC championship. Either way, one, we were landing in Atlanta for something, right? Terry had that decision over to pick Texas over Georgia, in which, you know, it kind of felt similar to this going into the decision. Does he stay home? Does he play for the team that at the time is, you know, the top of the sport? So Texas hanging around the rim, that's all you could ask for. I'm sure they have a very aggressive pitch out there, very attractive with the quarterbacks. Neiman Lawrence is in the class. KJ Lacy, DFL, Newton's on in this 27 class and additionally nil, I'm sure, is very competitive from both sides. So we'll see tomorrow he'll be on the Pat McAfee show to make his decision. But right now, I still lean ever so slightly to the Hoosiers landing what would be their highest rated recruit ever.
Rod Davis
Man, that's just, as Terry example is a great one because I think even Longhorn fans are like, whoa, really? Kid out of Atlanta and out of Georgia and then Georgia, like you said, being the premier program at the time. But Munch on sales. How about this? Let me ask you this, because, Coach, you've probably seen both Munch on Sales and Easton Rural. If I asked you to tell me which one you liked more, could you tell me? No, That's a tough question.
Coach
It's. It's a pecan. Pecan. I mean, you know,
Rod Davis
I like.
Coach
Let's just get everybody. Let's get them all. But, you know, this, this. You never know what's going through a young man's mind like this. He may want to get away from Indiana, you know, and make a name for himself, come at. Come down to the hotbed of the football universe. But then again, you know, exactly the opposite could be true. Could be a guy that's wanting to represent his. Where he grew up and, you know, and have some loyalty to that and in the Midwest. So, you know, who knows? I don't know. Obviously, I've never visited with the young man and haven't kept up a lot with his recruitment. But
Rod Davis
he.
Coach
He's definitely. Did you see that hit? He made it pretty safety coming up and nailing that guy.
Jeff Howe
He's.
Rod Davis
He likes to block, too.
Matthew
Yeah.
Rod Davis
At least physical. He is I mean they're different type of wide receivers, he and Easter Raw. I'm with you though. I mean either the guys you're talking about being potential game changing players for an offense, but it is interesting, they're very different. That's why I see Texas been able to make the pitch that hey, yeah, we got, we got a five star here, but y' all gonna be weaponized, utilized, completely different in this Sark offense. And I do think the quarterback that's. Now I know Indiana's gonna keep bringing in good quarterbacks now as long as Signetti's there, they're gonna bring in somebody did the transfer reporter. That's just the day and age we live in. But Texas has done great in their quarterback recruitment and they have some of the top quarterbacks in the country. They're sitting there waiting behind Arch Manning. So I think that's a really good pitch too that hey, I know at Indiana they're gonna go find somebody, but you don't know who that is. You, you can kind of see the pipeline here in Texas. You can see it every time, you know, you are here at practice, you'll be practicing with a guy that's probably the way things have gone for Texas will probably be here at some point. So whether Indiana, it'll probably be some new guy. Not saying he won't be a good player, but it'll be an uncertainty, a question mark. Texas looks pretty right now, pretty consistent at the quarterback position overall. And they look like they have a lot more stability than most programs at quarterback. Future of it going forward.
Jeff Howe
Yeah, I think there's a steadiness that you.
Rod Davis
Yeah.
Jeff Howe
Now whenever, you know, you go to a job interview or you know, you, you hang out with your grandparents and I say, oh, so what do you want to do in five years?
Rod Davis
Right.
Jeff Howe
You can forecast what's down the road. And for Texas, I'm sure that's a bit of the pitch is, hey, Josh Hoover's going to be really talented this year, but what's next, right? Who's going to be throwing you the football? And you know, if you're Kurt Signetti, you're on the back end saying, hey, we just had Curtis Rourke drafted in the fifth round with one acl and we just went out and found Fernando Mendoza and turned him into the Heisman winning number one overall pick.
Coach
Yeah.
Jeff Howe
So that's how it's balanced on both sides. It's just, do you trust that that level of quarterback production and you know, finding that level of quarterback will continue if you're Indiana versus if you're Texas, you're saying wait a minute, we don't have to guess. We don't have to sit here and assess what we could be. We know what we're going to be because of the guys that are going to be on campus. So going to be interesting. I do think Josh Hoover, the former TCU commit, I think he's going to have a monster year in that offense. I think it's very quarterback friendly. The RPO offense is something that he did a ton of at tcu. Now he's doing probably the best RPO type of offense in the country at Indiana. But all together Coach, I don't know if I've ever seen a five star level wide receiver that was the first person down on kickoff.
Coach
Never. I've never seen a prima donna receiver
Matthew
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Coach
Sticking his head in there and driving his legs and pinning the guy back down.
Jeff Howe
I was shocked.
Coach
That's my kind of guy. But, but to go back to what you're saying about the difference in the depth in the quarterback room, there's a great argument to be made on Texas behalf in terms of, you know, you, you really want to start developing rapport with quarterbacks and not have a one and done every year, you know, because who, who's going to, who are you going to start developing rapport with? You know, you come in here and you can start right away developing rapport with the guys that are going to be throwing you the ball when you're in your collegiate prime era, you know, and it's, it's a, you know, what if, what if Indiana strikes out and misses on a couple of years? You know, these homegrown quarterbacks that Sark brings in and does his thing with, I think that carries or should carry a significant amount of weight in my opinion.
Jeff Howe
Yep.
Rod Davis
No, I agree. That's that to me, that's the pitch for them. Because other than that, I mean, Indiana's got a lot of good pitches and advantageous pitches right now because they, they're coming off a historic year. Cnetti is a great coach, can make the argument he's the best coach in college football if you want to right now. And yeah, right now that's a hot program and they gotta, yeah, they got boosters, they got boosters behind them. All right, we know Mark Cuban, whatever they got, they can match some of the top nil offers around the country, even a school like Texas. So we'll see. They'll be interesting. But Texas has had a good record on the Pat McAfee Show. I did see that in the chat. What is it right? Is it, is it three? It's not three. Is it three zero on the Pat McAfee show right now?
Jeff Howe
It's got to be pretty close. I don't know it off the top of my head, but it feels like anytime there's been a big decision on Pat McAfee Show, Texas has been the hat that's been pulled.
Rod Davis
I like it. I like it. All right, let's a quick super chat here from Rocky P. Rocky P, thank you for the super chat. It's a classy one. We appreciate it. It says prayers up to everyone in Texas with all the flooding. Hope everyone and your loved ones are safe and secure. Yes. As we're getting a ton of rain here in Texas and there are some parts of Texas, obviously that are getting way too much of it oversaturated. So we're starting to flood. So thoughts and prayers with those folks. Please be safe if you're in any of those areas. But Rocky P, thank you for thinking of the folks out there. Great. Super chat. All right, I want to get to this, this age, this average age article from Rotowire, which was kind of crazy and I think football, College Football Zone, they actually made a graphic up about it. But I was shocked. I expected Texas. This is one of those graphics or stats that end up to me kind of blowing up a previous either hypothesis or theory that I had. I didn't have any evidence to back it up. I just thought Texas more experienced team, more veteran team. They're gonn older team. This graphic, which I said was based on the article that was written by I think Rotowire claim sex is the fourth youngest team. And I'll give you the the numbers here too because I was like really kind of. It really surprised me to have Texas be the fourth. Right here it says Georgia actually is the youngest on here. And the reason that is crazy because I remember looking at the returning production stats from Bill Connolly, which I believe I'm not mistaken, have Texas among the top 10 in terms of overall returning. Texas was sixth, sorry. In returning production. So that's why I wouldn't look at the returning production. And I know obviously those aren't the same things, but it's crazy that this, this team is expected to be like a peak of Sarks like 10 year here in Texas here in 2026. And he's still going to be working, he's working with a young team even though you gonna have projected to have an historic draft. Right. We're talking about probably the most first rounders, most top tens, potentially the most players you've had drafted. And according to this information, Texas one of the four youngest teams in all of college football.
Coach
That's amazing. This has been the year everybody's been pointing to. You know, this is going to be the year that we're going to be in our prime. This is the year that we can Make a run for it all. And that's a shocking statistic to me.
Rod Davis
Yeah, it's got. And I said this article is from Rotowire. It's got Texas average age and 19.8. Average age 19.86.
Jeff Howe
Georgia, a year ago it was like 22 and a half. 23.
Rod Davis
Yeah. And that has been. Remember Indiana? We're just talking about Indiana. That was one of their, the, the secret. One of the secret sauces, if you will, in their recipe was, hey, we got a lot of older guys and interesting enough too, you know, in terms of returning production. Georgia was also one of those teams that had, I thought of supposed to have like a lot of guys coming back returning production. Yeah, they were top 10 as well in Bill Connolly's returning production. They were 8th in overall returning production, but the youngest team in college football. So a little surprised by that. And I will say that if you go look at the overall age, basically like almost 95 of the teams, when I actually looked at the study and the research fell between like 19 point, like 19.8 or 9 and 20.8 or 9. So most of your teams are at least relatively young, if you go look at it. But still fascinating fascination. Utsa actually you want to do the oldest team in college football is. According to this research, they have utsa, I believe is the oldest team.
Coach
By the way, what was, what was George's average age?
Rod Davis
Georgia was 19.81. It says their average ages. So 19.81. Texas 19.86. And like I said, they have UTSA is the oldest. And UTSA is at just 21.02 is their average age.
Coach
Yeah, that's one stat I wouldn't put a lot of stock in.
Rod Davis
Yeah, anyway, it's that I said it's. I throw out the research.
Coach
It's that time of year, you know,
Jeff Howe
it is, it is, it is that time of year. It is interesting though, Rod. I'm glad that someone put this together because that's a lot of work that you got to go through. That's a lot of ages that you got to compile. A lot of teams that you have to dissect rosters from. But I, I have always had the theory, at least in the Portal era, Georgia, Texas and Ohio State would be in that consistently very young category. And they're going to obviously be very talented, but you're not going to see that, you know, many fourth year guys on the roster.
Matthew
Right.
Jeff Howe
You look at Texas right now, outside of the Portal, how many guys have truly stuck around for four years. Well, it's John McDonald, it's Arch Manning and Trevor Guzzi's back, right? Connor Robertson's on a fifth year. But you look elsewhere, it's all three and done type of players or youngsters that are more talented than, you know, guys that they probably jumped in the recruiting rankings, you know, that were already on the depth chart. So that's something that they're always going to battle with. Like, could you imagine and Malik Muhammad or an Anthony Hill sticking around one more year and what that could look like with this roster. But because of their, because those guys coming out of high school were so talented, because they got on the field early, because they competed and contributed at a very high level, they're gone in three years. And that happens at Ohio State, that happens at Georgia. You're right now it's happening at Texas at a rate that is probably much higher than what we've seen in recent memory. I think those are the three that at any given year, you'll sit there and say, yeah, they're going to be young in, in the Portal area. You'll sit here and say, being young, it doesn't. Like, you can't be young in the Portal era. Just go get old guys. And to that I say, yes, but you know, the drops in the bucket that you get, like a Lawrence Seymour or an Andrew Fard, like those guys, by then the guys that were buried for two years, they're gone. And then they're competing for spots on the field, years three, four and five elsewhere that are raising their age limits.
Rod Davis
To your point, to add a little bit more credence to your theory, last season, if you looked at percentage of starts by transfers, some of the schools you mentioned, Texas at 17%, Georgia was at 10%, Ohio State was at 28, Notre Dame was at 15%. That those were the exceptions. The rule most of the time was 30, 35% or higher of your starts were by transfers. You look at it, Indiana was 65, Tech was at 63, Oregon at 42, Miami at 53, Ole Miss at 66, to your point. So it's, it's. I, I do think there are key starters that are going to be Texas, like starters for them that were transfers. But like you said, those guys are expected to be gone. Like Texas is going to turn over those guys pretty quickly, to your point. And I like that theory that by the time they get older, either they're hitting the league early or they're hitting the transfer portal. And Texas is turning over the roster pretty quickly with those Young guys are bringing in like those top dogs in those recruiting classes. Because Texas still wants to be like Georgia, like Ohio State, mostly homegrown, Right. You can tell there are a few programs have decided, like coach, like, hey, no, no. We want to be mostly homegrown. And I think it's about developing certain positions. I think mostly premium positions. Texas with quarterback, right? Texas doesn't want to be turning over quarterback, so they're developing literally their own form system with quarterback. I think they want to be like that with O line. But Texas had a disruption in that last season, so they had to go, hey, you got to do what you got to do. I think they want D tackle to be like that. But Texas couldn't pull that off and had to go to the portal to get a lot of D tackles in the last couple of years. There are certain positions where you want to be home grown if you can be for developmental purposes. And I think honestly these days, cost. There are certain premium positions that cost more money in the portal. 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Jeff Howe
There aren't any sports to watch today, Coach. There's no sports yesterday. We're in that, that dead period of the sports calendar where, you know, if you really want to find sports, it's probably across the pond playing tennis at five in the morning, right? Orange. Last night I went to the movies, went out there, got me a nice blue icy bag of popcorn. Had a great night. I watched Young Washington about a four and a half out of five stars. I. I really enjoyed it.
Rod Davis
Wow.
Jeff Howe
A nice biopic on George Washington. Coach, I wanted to ask you, what do you know about George Washington?
Rod Davis
Wow.
Matthew
Me?
Rod Davis
Yeah. That's crazy.
Jeff Howe
George Washington, first president of the U S. Because it talks.
Coach
I didn't know.
Jeff Howe
I didn't know a whole lot about George.
Rod Davis
I didn't even know this was a movie. I'm looking it up.
Coach
He's the one that chopped down the cherry tree.
Jeff Howe
That's exactly right. But I don't know that he actually did was so. So they didn't go into. There were a couple scenes of him taking a hatchet to a cherry tree like that. So I was like, oh, that's probably a nod to the old, you know, fable, if you will. But I really enjoyed it. I didn't realize he basically started. And this is gonna. I'm gonna nerd out.
Rod Davis
Go ahead, nerd out.
Jeff Howe
I didn't realize he was the one that basically started the Spanish and Indian War, or I believe is the French and Indian War. Excuse me, with the British. That was a whole deal. That was 20 years before the Revolutionaries. He was the one that started that.
Coach
That.
Jeff Howe
I went and watched this movie. It probably ended at 11:45. I drove home at midnight. I probably stayed up for probably 45 more minutes. I was just watching YouTube videos and tick tocks. I was like, what more can I find about this George fella? I wouldn't have done that if there were sports on. I would have just sat my happy butt out at home, man. Summer league basketball or the Athletics and Mariners or something like. But no, now I'm learning. I went to Barnes and Ogle today, picked up a George Washington book.
Rod Davis
I love it. Can you believe that? That is fantastic, bro. You. That. I gotta. Was it a lot of action in. Are we talking about a true biopic where they didn't have a lot of actual.
Jeff Howe
No, all action.
Rod Davis
Okay.
Jeff Howe
War scene after war scene.
Rod Davis
It was fantastic. Okay. That's how they got. Because I thought it was like, you see, like, Lincoln or that biopic where it's not a lot of action.
Matthew
It.
Rod Davis
It's just, you know, great acting, but not a lot of action. I was like, man, CJ didn't seem like the type that would like that, but if you had action, that's how they got you. Okay.
Coach
Well, you could tell by the picture that CJ sent us today that he is bored out of his mind. Matthew, we could get a shot of that up.
Rod Davis
I think CJ's expanding his horizons. He's like. He's expanding horizons. He didn't know he was a history buff. And now he's like, man, I want to be. I want to get into history. So watching documentaries, pretty soon, all kind of stuff. He went and bought a Book at Barnes and Noble.
Jeff Howe
Come on, man.
Coach
He's probably doing yoga.
Jeff Howe
I need to do some yoga. But yes. Here's the hat.
Rod Davis
I like that. I like this. Give the people. Give people the reason why. Because I like the reason why he's wearing this hat.
Jeff Howe
Look, we need Sark to be in his bag this year. We need Texas to score 50 points on the week, weekly basis. That's my 50 burger hat. We talked about it last year. Didn't get to wear it all too much last year. This year. This year I'm expecting. Yeah, baby, pretty often.
Coach
Hey, I got one question for you. Where's the beef? I don't see much beef in that thing.
Rod Davis
Nah, I don't look. Yeah, I don't know.
Jeff Howe
Yeah, it's one of those vegan burgers.
Rod Davis
Hopefully Sarc ain't serving him up. We don't want no vegan burgers, man. We want 50 burgers. I'm with you. All right, let's get back to. Coach was fishing. What did you say? Put that one back up, man.
Coach
That was 50 years ago, man. I was one of those guys that learned what I need to learn to pass a test, and then I just erased it. But you know what? As I got older, I started getting more interested in history. You know, we. We had people. My mom traced her family back. We had brothers that fought against each other in the Civil War, you know, and that. That makes it kind of relevant, you know, when you. Oh, yeah, don't know these people, but they're in your lineage, you know, and how divided the nation was it. The Civil War intrigues me more than any time in. In American history. It was just unbelievably horrible. I think more people, more Americans died in the Civil War than all the wars we've been in combined.
Jeff Howe
Not the comment here, but yes, Coach, I think you are right. And I hope that this little George Washington Avenue or Revolutionary War Avenue, I. You know, I'll probably spend a good month on it. The season will start, I'll forget about it, and then the start of next off season, decade by decade.
Rod Davis
Find them. Find another founding father to. To dive into. Go, go, Ram.
Jeff Howe
Texas history coming right up.
Rod Davis
Co study, girls. Hey, that's for. That's history, too. That's a lot of history. Hey, you go start studying founding fathers and presidents, you will find out they were also very interested in the opposite sex and plenty of it. That's the real good history you learn about. But no, I will say we really get into it. There's a great series on hbo, the John Adams miniseries. It's fantastic. It's really good. Like it's, it's legit. One of my favorite series about a founding father. All right, let's get back to super chats. All right, all right. Says I would love to see the past correlations on age versus wins. Yeah, I mean I, I said, I, I don't put, I'm with coach. I don't put too much stock. I think it's a little fascinating research to bring up, but Indiana had, like I said, their own formula last year. They wanted older veteran guys who had seen a lot of football, played a lot of football. That was part of their, you know, their, their secret sauce, if you will. And people, people really hadn't thought about that. But you know, CJ brought up a good theory too about, you know, some of these teams who want to be homegrown, they're probably going to stay younger for the most part. So I don't think it's, I don't think there would be a true correlation or connection and I think it'd be tough to find one. But I'll do some research. You know I will. All right, I'll do some research.
Coach
Yeah, I mean we'll see when UTSA rolls in town in a couple of months. You know, the oldest age team in college football versus the fourth youngest.
Rod Davis
There you go. Yeah, sure would be interesting.
Jeff Howe
I'm clearly not smart enough to put this together, but if anybody is, please do it. If you found age, experience, returning production together, formulated some kind of chart for, for what each team has in that regard. Yeah, basically, you know, find a rating for all those metrics combined I think would be really interesting.
Coach
Some detachable.
Jeff Howe
Yes. Because if you're a fifth year senior starting for the first time, I mean, doesn't do anything for me.
Rod Davis
Exactly. That's a great one. Like no, that's, that's not good. That's not good for your. That to me, that, that projection, that trajectory, that's not a good trajectory for a player. Your first year starting is as a fifth year senior and usually means. And like you said, it's your point. Cj, about your theory. They'd probably be going by then in this mod era, that guy would have gone somewhere else to try to get him a shot. That's a good point though. We, I'll do some research that and CJ's right. We found somebody who really smart. Then we'll do have them make a graph about it with the returning production. All right. Acho Achala. Man, thank you for the super chat. Says, can I get some commentary on Gary Patterson. That's a new DC at usc. Thank you very much for that super chat. I, I'm a big Gary Patterson fan. So everybody who listens to me on this channel, who knows, I'm, I've always been a huge Gary Patterson fan. He'll probably have some of the same questions about how long he's been away from things kind of that we have a lot about. Must champ. Because I, I don't know if Gary Patterson's really been doing. He at least must have been been with Georgia. And I think, I think Gary Pass has just been kicking it, coach. He's been chilling, playing his guitar and singing. Yeah, you're sitting singing. But he's, you know, he loves ball. You know, he knows ball. And I'm sure he's been keeping up with ball. I, I think it's a good move because, Coach, I think, you know, Lincoln Riley's been missing that, that, that counterpart, right? That defensive counterpart for him, and he struggled in that regard. Now he's just basically hiring what Sark just did a head coach of defense. I'm doing head coach. And you the head coach of defense. I feel like that's what he did.
Jeff Howe
It, look, I think it was Jeff and Marcus and I, when we talked about it, it might have been on a Monday with the two of y'. All. All these kind of off season shows run together. But you can go back and you see my brain kind of click when I realized in real time that USC had Gary Patterson as their defensive coordinator. I said, wait a minute. I didn't want to buy into USC this year, but if there was one guy in college football that was a free agent or that was available to pair up with a Lincoln Riley offense that could make a Lincoln Riley defense work, it would probably be Gary Patterson, right? So if it doesn't work this year with Gary Patterson as your defensive coordinator, Lincoln Riley, I just, you'll never, you'll never get a good defense. You just simply won't. So I hate to say it, but I think I bought back into USC again. Rod.
Rod Davis
No, I agree with you. I, I, I've always loved Lincoln Riley as an offensive mind, but yeah, as a head coach, he's got to put all the different phases together. He has struggled to do that with the defense. I'm with you. I think Gary Patrick could solve a lot of his problems. I'm, that's, that's, that could be trouble for the rest of college football. If it works as well as I think a lot of us believe it could because Lincoln Riley, you know, his offense, his offense has still, even with USC struggling, go look at them offensive numbers and where they rank. Still pumping out elite offenses. It's just. He can't find a way to stop anybody. All right, good.
Coach
About former head coaches. How about Tom Herman joining the Florida State staff?
Rod Davis
Coach, I'm glad you brought it up. I need to get your thoughts on it. Give it to me.
Coach
I don't. I mean, he's been named the assistant head coach.
Rod Davis
Assistant to the head coach or assistant head coach?
Coach
Well, that's a good question. I might have misread.
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Rod Davis
It's a joke, coach, because I, I don't know the difference and I've tried. I think it's almost like. No, the Dwight Shrimp joke. Assistant.
Coach
No, there is a difference. Assistant to the head coach.
Matthew
Okay.
Coach
It's not going to be a coach on the field. Ah, listen, coach is going to be a coach on the field.
Rod Davis
Okay, There you go. Okay. So he's assistant to the head coach. Which Sarkis had a. Sarkis had a few of those, yo. Gary Patterson was an assistant to the head coach, was he not?
Jeff Howe
Yeah, they threw the special special assistant.
Rod Davis
Oh, the special assistant.
Jeff Howe
I don't know. I mean, I don't know what that means.
Rod Davis
So is this. Can you be a special assistant head coach? Are you a special assistant to the head coach?
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Rod Davis
No, I really don't know. I don't know.
Jeff Howe
We're just splitting hairs on titles. I don't know, Rod.
Rod Davis
I would say when Gary Patterson was here, though, it. He made a difference. Go look at that. That. The difference in that defense, y'.
Coach
All.
Rod Davis
Basically, Texas ran Gary Patterson's coverages when Gary Patterson came on, and it really did. It helped PK learn the ecosystem of the Big 12. He's a. He really didn't know it that well. Instead of him having to learn it, like, you know, team by team and tendencies, all that. I think Gary Passer came in, just kind of gave him the, you know, hey, you can have my notes, man. Hit a Cliff Notes on every team. This is how you need to do it. It's how you play defense in the Big 12. Big 12. Is this about this hybrid schemes? And then you see that there was a marked improvement, and then the defense continuously improved to the point last year. Well, I don't think it approved enough. That's why Stark made the move. All right.
Coach
Is that what Mark Stoops. What's his title?
Rod Davis
He's supposed to be that, I believe.
Coach
As a matter of fact, I thought Chris Gilbert was too.
Rod Davis
I think you can have more than one. Yeah, you can have as many as you want to, but I. Like I said, I don't. I don't like. I don't. That's a great point, Coach. I. Yeah, I would love for them to be able to. Maybe we should. Somebody should ask. Sarget Media days. Hey, can you name all your special assistants to the head coach or whatever?
Matthew
Boom.
Rod Davis
Mark, there you go. Special assistant.
Coach
I think Chris Gilbert has the same title, so it must. Must be like, you know, an analyst. You can have more than one.
Rod Davis
Yeah, I think. I think we probably. Chris Gilbert is like, maybe one in recruiting and maybe you got, no doubt, one for defense and maybe one for offense. I think you probably could have. Yeah, I think. I bet that's how it. I bet you got one for every. Every phase and every, like, branch of the program almost. Not. Not.
Matthew
Yeah.
Coach
And you can use those guys, I think, as you're alluding to, for specific roles. You know, there's. There's no Doubt. Chris Gilbert has had a lot to do with the success of recruiting at the University of Texas. Very much so, maybe as much as anybody on that staff has. And so making him special assistant head coach, that's other duties as assigned. It might be, hey, cg let's go get this guy. Who do you know that knows this guy, you know, or whatever.
Rod Davis
I like that. Yeah.
Matthew
Whereas.
Coach
Whereas Mark Stoops is probably more of an X's and O's guy, you know, that you're going to use more in the film room and in staff meetings and stuff like that. I would, I would guess, yeah.
Rod Davis
Because Mark Stoops originally obviously head coach, but was a db, like, not was a DB coach. Like he's. That was his kind of his expertise. I always wondered, you know, we saw must champ, you know, working with dbs, and you know, must champ is. I always wondered if he would work with the DVs, Mark Stoops, like maybe somewhere in that regard. Also remember Kentucky played Texas really well defensively and I always say, you want to bring them in? Like, hey man, what did you know about our offense? Because you that go look at that. That was one of the best game plans against the Texas offense all year. I mean, Texas couldn't do anything against Kentucky and you didn't have. They didn't have as much manpower as Ohio State. Ohio State shut you down with first round picks, top 15 picks. Kentucky shut you down with third, fourth, maybe late round undrafted free agents out there running around shutting you down. Hey, I need to bring this guy in. What's going on, man? What you see that I didn't see? All right, let's get back to the super chats here. Dylan Freeman, thank you for the super chat. Says, do y' all think Texas will trust Diabell to run the offense next year or get another quarterback in the portal? That is a great question. We were just talking about that. Thoughts, gentlemen?
Coach
No way they go to the portal.
Jeff Howe
I'm with you, coach. It's going to be either K.J. lacy or Diabell. And again, I go back to what we heard all spring. Anytime KJ Lacy was on the field, the ball moved. It might not have been the most conventional way. Right. It might not have been to what the offense called for to a T. But the ball found a way to move and it didn't sound like turnovers or interceptions or fumbles were. Were an issue. So it's gonna be interesting. I think we will see a quarterback battle. Haven't had one of those in quite a while. Even though national pundits or fans of other schools might have thought otherwise over the last couple of years. But I do think that there's going to be a really interesting quarterback battle coming up in 2027 going into that spring. It's going to be really interesting. And if Sark smart, he finds a way to keep that quarterback battle going all the way through August until week one.
Rod Davis
Yeah, no, I think Sark wants a farm system with quarterback. And if to get an Arch Manning to wait around and be patient, it's a great example for the young guy. Like, hey, man, Arch Manning wasn't afraid to wait around, be patient or quitting. And Quinn stayed. Some people say Queen stayed too long, but Quinn stayed, you know, and you kept. You kind of developed the pipeline for you.
Jeff Howe
Yeah.
Rod Davis
So I. I think that's what Sark wants.
Jeff Howe
What's interesting with. With Diabell and Coach. You could probably talk about this. You know, we've had conversations at otf. Is okay with Diabell. Obviously, he projects well fundamentally. You know, he's a great athlete. The ball gets out very nice with his arms, his mechanics, everything that goes into it. He just hasn't attempted a lot of passes at the high school level. Right. I think Quinn Ewers, in his senior year, junior year at South Lake, attempted more passes in that junior season at South Lake than what Dia did in his entire career at American Heritage. And so it's kind of one of those things. It's like, yeah, I think he's a really good quarterback, but, you know, when we talk about experience, there's not a position on the field that values experience more than the quarterback spot, especially when it comes to throwing passes against top competition at the time in which you're playing to get you more looks, get you more, you know, up to the speed of the game. And so that's something to keep in mind with defense, because I think otherwise, he has all the tools. But game experience is very hard to come by. And when you don't have it at a spot like that, it's very difficult to make up for when the game gets faster and those windows get tighter and.
Coach
And if you do go out the portal, you just cut your legs out from under yourself, you know, in terms of developing talent, recruiting and all that. Unless something catastrophic happens with Diabell and K.J. lacy.
Rod Davis
No, I agree with that. I think that's one of those positions.
Jeff Howe
Sorry.
Rod Davis
Wants to continue to kind of keep it home, as homegrown as he can. I know Quinn was different, but. Yeah, just got into Texas. All right. Rocky P with another one. Thank you, Rocky P, for the super chat. Very kind of you. Says I'm gonna keep beating this drum. The most important thing for Texas this year is going to be Sark. We need Darth Sark. If Texas is going to make noise, he needs to set the tone. No mercy. If you're gonna get that 50 burger that CJ is talking about, if CJ wants to wear the hat a couple of times, then you are gonna need that start, that kind of start. I think Stark and Jeff Howe made this point too, that last year I wondered why the offense shrunk so much in terms of the variety, you know, the versatility of the offense. He didn't use as many and as much of the, you know, personnel packages and the cheat codes that I would have liked. And he said maybe just didn't trust those guys. When he trusts his players, then he'll basically fully immerse them in the playbook. And now he'll have full. Right, he'll have the full luxury, if you will, of his playbook because he will have trust. He trusts all the players there. And, and maybe that's. Maybe that could be it because last year that was a very timid version of the Stark offense, in my opinion. It was. He let too often, I thought he let others kind of dictate the terms and dictate the tempo of the matchup instead of him being the one to set the tone.
Coach
So I wonder, I wonder how much of that, though was because of his lack of trust in the offensive line.
Rod Davis
Exactly. That's why. That's what Jeff was at. He's like, man, he didn't trust any of those guys. Like, you can't run a lot of your great, your favorite concepts if you don't trust they gonna execute well.
Jeff Howe
Not just that coach, but again, think about it. The first five weeks of the season, you had multiple games missed by Emmett Mosley, DeAndre Moore, Trey Wisner, C.J. baxter. I mean, you were pretty handcuffed early on when it came to these injuries. And again, the offensive line was an issue of itself. But when it comes to running your favorite concepts, it's very difficult to do for a guy that's been on campus for seven months. And maybe you haven't gotten to rep that with the first team, right? So I, I do think this year, given that there wasn't a spring portal offensively, you know, everybody except for Lawrence Seymour that should be contributing for this offense has been on campus for now 7 months, they should know everything that they need to know.
Matthew
Right.
Jeff Howe
And I think you're deeper. So when you're starting running back or starting slot receiver goes down well, now you have a guy that's not as significantly of a drop off as previously and that should ultimately allow you to feel comfortable calling those bizarre kind of, you know, foreign concepts, if you will.
Rod Davis
Yeah, yeah. I thought you were way too predictable almost this year. But I, I, we this is the most talented Stark offense that he has had. So I'm with you. I think he will open up the playbook. No mercy. Darth Sark. I like that term. Brandon, thank you for the super chat. OTF fan number one says I got my package today. Thanks again for everything. I really like it and for the card. It was nice of you. Hook up. No, thank you, Brandon. It's the least we could do, brother. We appreciate all the love, man. You've been showing a lot of love and we, trust me, just want to be able to pay it back to you, man, and pay it forward a bit too. So thank you. All right, next Super Chat. Hook them from Swine Country. Thank you for the super chat. Says, how bad do you think, how bad do you guys think recruiting will decline if Arch and O Line have a repeat of last year? The Stark swallow his pride and let KJ get some valuable playing time this season. Oh, okay, Interesting. All right, first part of this question. What about cj? What about the recruiting? How bad do you guys think that recruiting would decline if RH and the old line have a repeat of last year? Oh,
Jeff Howe
Probably a little bit. You know, the shine for Sark probably not going to be there. But again, we talk about it, you know, Indiana's in a position right now to land the best wide receiver in the entire country. You see players go to schools because they believe in the fit as well as how their wallet will eventually fit in their pocket as a result. So that's always going to be on the side of Texas. Going to Texas, living in Austin, having all of the opportunities that the school, the program, the city provide for you will always be there. I don't think it'll be too significant. I think Texas will always recruit at a very high level. But if it's another offensive showing, maybe a little, not too severe.
Coach
Yeah, I don't see that. To answer the second part of that question, I, I do think it's important for KJ to get, to get some experience, some playing time this season. I think he is, you know, I think we're going to have some opportunities especially, you know, early in the season, you know, against Texas State and utsa, you know, for. For him to get some mean. I don't know if you want to call them meaningful snaps because I don't see him beat in the game until the game is. Is. Is in hand. But that's still better than, you know, him having to go in cold turkey. Sixth game of the season. He hadn't really taken any snaps or done anything yet, at least kind of get his feet wet.
Jeff Howe
Hey, Coach, can I. Can I ask you this? You've been in positions where you've been up by 40, 50, you know, you got your second unit in there, a young quarterback. How do you balance, you know, getting them an opportunity, throw the football while not making it look like you're trying to run up the score, be disrespectful to an opposing team.
Rod Davis
That's good.
Coach
Yeah, I. Yeah, I never did that. I mean, I, I just. If we were winning a game big, which there are seasons with, obviously with, With Jordan and Stephen McGee and those guys that burned it, that we. And in Brownwood, too, with Jackson, where we would have such a huge leap at halftime, I let the starters play one series in third quarter, then pull them out for one so they don't get hurt, to get those other guys some valuable playing time because you never go, never know when you're going to need it, then to step up. But as far as throwing the ball, quick stuff, but no, we're not airing it out. But, but high school football is different. You know, these guys you're coaching against, they're your buddies. You don't want to make them look bad.
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I mean, you know, there's, There's, There's. There's a few jack legs out there that'll do that. You know, they want to make you look bad, you know, and that somehow they think that makes themselves look good. But it's so much different in high school football, you know, you just don't do that, you know. College football. Yeah. I think everybody understands you. You've got to run your offense. You got to let these guys. And these guys are Division 1 college football players. You know, it's not like, you know, everybody has to play. I mean, it's, It's. There's a lot at stake, a lot different. So I don't know that I can relate to that because it was so much different in, at the high school level and.
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Coach
Yeah, it's good stuff.
Rod Davis
One more thing. Hook them from Swine country. Thank you for the super chat that if there is a repeat of last season meaning Arch is one of the top 10 most pressured quarterbacks in the country. Sixth most actually. And you had the worst running game in Sark's career as a hit as a play calling head coach. Then there had that will. There will be pressure to make a change. Not a head coach. Not a head coach. That's crazy. But there will be pressure to do something just back to back years like that that even after you reassembled the old line and re. I mean all that that you'd be like now y' all gotta do something. Y' all gotta do something. Something would have to. So I don't know if it would be him hiring. Yeah, that's fine. A lot. There'll be a lot of that gift coming up. But it'd be. Some people will be talking about hey, you gotta hire. No see, you gotta hire a play caller. Some people say you might need a new. A lot. If. If that repeats and I don't think it will. I would say right now I. I put money on it that it won't because that's your. That was your biggest issue last year. So I am. So you said you spent the entire off season fixing that issue.
Coach
Yeah.
Rod Davis
Personnel wise, scheme wise, everything. And the talent's better around. So even if they are bad, you won't. It won't be as noticeable as it was last year. Last year was so noticeable because you really weren't fast on offense. You didn't have as many game breaking players on offense. Now you got like forward of them guys on offense and you're bet and Arch is going to be better so you'll be better all around. So I don't see a repeat. I'll just throw that out there. Thank you.
Jeff Howe
Better knock on wood, Rod.
Rod Davis
I am knocking on wood because if it do, you're right man. We're gonna be throwing stuff. I'll be breaking stuff back here. CJ's gonna be throwing hats. Matthew's gonna be back there throwing stuff. You're gonna be breaking a lot of stuff. If we're that bad I can say that right now.
Jeff Howe
I don't burning my burger hat on stream.
Rod Davis
It won't be happening. All right. Dylan Freeman, thank you for the super chat. He says hot take Texas will have 2,000 yard receivers. Both running backs will get close to a thousand but not reach it. I think he meant a thousand. He said if you talk that's. I mean that would be Tex LSU 2019 kind of numbers. If you're talking about 2000 yard receivers and two rushers who are like over not 800 yards, that kind of thing. That was some pro that's prolific. I gotta go find out how often that's happened when you've had that kind of prolific. I do know that Indiana had 2000 yard rushers right last year they have two. I know they had 1000 year old receiver. I don't think they had another one. They were pretty prolific. But if you're talking about that kind of offense then you're talking about a top 10 offense. Top 15 off any elite offense in my opinion.
Jeff Howe
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. You'd be in that conversation pretty quickly if that's kind of the offensive output that you're getting at your wide receivers and running backs. I was thinking was it 2023 Xavier Worthy eclipsed a thousand yards and I think it was around 100, 850 or something just like that for Adnai Mitchell. Okay look. Yeah that was with you know, NFL tight end and NFL wide receiver. 3 really talented running back group. I would be happy with that. I'd be happy with that.
Rod Davis
That was our best offense, if I'm not mistaken, in terms of scoring correctly. So everybody's assuming if this is not Sarge's best offense, I do think there's something that's a problem that this should be Sark's best offense.
Jeff Howe
I'll say in this Coach, I'm sorry, I'm go off the hyperbolic hot take here. If this isn't Sark's best offense this year, then we've hit a peak.
Rod Davis
Yes. Amen brother.
Jeff Howe
There's too much talent for this group right now with a fourth year, second year starting quarterback, a revamped offensive lineman with a first round left tackle and all the weapons around you to not be back near that 40 point per game marker right in that range right north of 35 to be setting what should be your tenure high at Texas in points per game, yards per game, etc.
Rod Davis
Yep, I agree. It's a great point and I thank you for that super chat, Dylan Freeman. We appreciate it. All right, let's thank our last sponsor of the evening, our friends over at Zen AI. This is a great service folks, I'm telling you. And if you want to get into what they call Vibe casting, it's a great way to do it. So this summer, don't just watch the games, you can Vibe cast it. That's right. Zen AI is home of Vibe Casting, a new way to capture and share real sports conversations. No studio, no fancy gear. Your phone is the whole setup. Arguing about who should have taken the last shot, breaking down every play, hit record, talk it out. And Zen AI turns that conversation into a sports cast that you can share as clips, reels, even TikToks. An AI producer works behind the scenes, cleaning up audio, cutting highlights and helping you tweak edits just by chatting in plain English. You can go live while the game is on, or you can record your hot takes right after. Bring your own co host. Or you can find another fan in the Zen AI network. This summer, Zen AI is paying new Vibecasters to launch their own Sports P Sports cast. Humans are the talent. AI is the infrastructure. Zen AI is invite only. So head to Zen AI, that's Zen AI to join the waitlist. That's Zen AI or tap the link in our show notes. Thank you very much to our friends over at Zen AI and we appreciate it. Okay, before we get out here real quick, Matthew, you have that graphic about the transfer portal acquisitions. Really quick in the sec. Just want to throw it up there really quick and get everybody's thoughts. We were talking about Texas and how they've been really aggressive in the transfer portal, as aggressive as Sarcas ever been. And yet they still are at the bottom of the SEC in transfer portal acquisitions overall. Fascinating to me. And they did get probably one of the highest ranked transfer portal classes. But look at the transfer portals in the SEC compared to Texas. 21, Georgia below them. As we said, Georgia wants to be homegrown too. Quick thoughts, guys. Before we got here on this, CJ what are your thoughts on Texas being second? Had the second fewest transfer poll additions, even though it's the most that they've had in the history of the program.
Jeff Howe
Yeah, well, it certainly didn't feel like that, especially with all of the outgoing guys at the time. Right. I felt like every, every day in the winter we were making a new video, new post, a new reaction. Reaction to someone of significance or at least what we thought would be significance going into 20, 26, transferring out. But I will say this, 21 is probably going to be the new norm. Right? 20 to 25. Look at the schools on the right. Every single one of them above 40. New head coach. Fired head coach. Head coach. From fired head coach. Head coach. Left new head coach. Missouri, surprisingly at 39 though Missouri and you could argue South Carolina. You know, if you have a really successful year at either of those schools, if they're not taking care of you, you're going to A Georgia, A Texas and Oklahoma. You know, that's just kind of how it's going. But that doesn't surprise me as much. I think what you see with those schools really from A and M down is kind of what you're going to be seeing from, from now on.
Matthew
Yep.
Rod Davis
The new norm. All right, Good stuff. Thank you guys. We appreciate all the super chats and all the applause participation on the question. Thank you to Matthew. Behind the scenes. He's the real mvp. Nobody does it better. Thank you to Price Picks Von Lane, Zen AI. Thank you, coach. Great stuff as always, CJ Appreciate all of your expertise and hard work. If we missed any of your questions, please direct them to the gentleman at Coffin football. Matter of fact, tomorrow I'll be sitting in on coffee and football. Yeah. So I'll be just directing questions to me as my man, Jerry Hamilton. Brighton early tomorrow morning. That'll be at 8, 8:15am and then we got the Friday live stream tomorrow. That'll be at 3:15. I believe me and Jerry gonna be on there too. So me and Jerry pulling double duty tomorrow on the live stream. That'll be a lot of fun. And you got the when is the sales announcement? Do we know what we'll keep? We'll keep you updated to know when it is. Noon somewhere around there. But just follow CJ all right, CJ and follow on Texas football. We'll keep you abreast of everything going on. All right? With the munch on sales commitment and announcement for CJ and for Coach and for Matthew. I'm Lifetime Longhorn ride babies. Until next time. Hook them horns.
Jeff Howe
Thank you, Matthew.
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Host: Rod Davis (with guests: Coach Bob Shipley, Jeff Howe, Matthew)
This lively episode of On Texas Football dives deep into Texas football’s current recruiting battles—especially the looming decision of 5-star wide receiver Munchan Sales—as well as Texas' roster dynamics, Quarterback development under Coach Sark, and the shifting landscape of player acquisition in the SEC. The roundtable, led by longtime analyst Rod Davis, features in-depth analysis from Coach Shipley, Jeff Howe, and regular contributions from the live chat, giving Texas fans a detailed, inside look at where the Longhorns stand in national recruiting wars.
[04:02-10:32]
Texas vs. Indiana for 5-Star WR
The Texas Pitch
Comparison with Previous Commitments
[08:20-10:32, 13:00-14:03]
[14:45-23:00]
Texas: 4th Youngest Team in CFB
Portal Era Dynamics
[64:00]
[49:00-61:30]
The Need for “Darth Sark”
Hot Take: Elite Statistical Output?
[46:10-48:59]
[35:41-44:57]
Gary Patterson as USC DC
Tom Herman at Florida State
[29:01-34:17]
Offseason Lull: Movie Reviews & George Washington Tangent
“50 Burger” Hat
Jeff Howe:
"Right now I would handicap it around a 53:47 Indiana lead...But Texas is hanging around the rim, that's all you could ask for." ([04:02])
Coach Shipley:
“You never know what's going through a young man's mind like this. He may want to get away from Indiana...or he may want to represent where he grew up.” ([06:36])
Rod Davis:
“Texas looks pretty right now, pretty consistent at the quarterback position overall.” ([08:20])
Jeff Howe:
"If you're Texas, you're saying...we don’t have to guess. We know what we're going to be because of the guys that are going to be on campus." ([09:41])
Rod Davis:
“It really surprised me to have Texas be the fourth...youngest [team].” ([14:45])
Jeff Howe:
“If it doesn’t work this year with Gary Patterson as your defensive coordinator, Lincoln Riley, I just, you’ll never get a good defense.” ([38:07])
Rod Davis:
“Last year, that was a very timid version of the Sark offense...He let too often, I thought he let others kind of dictate the terms and dictate the tempo...” ([49:00])
Jeff Howe:
“That would be Tex[as]-LSU 2019 kind of numbers...that’s an elite offense.” ([59:35])
The episode provides a comprehensive review of Texas Football’s current state and future outlook:
Closing sentiment:
Rod Davis: “This should be Sark’s best offense. If it’s not, then we’ve hit a peak…There’s too much talent for this group to not be back near that 40 point per game marker.” ([61:16])
For more Texas Football analysis, recruiting updates, and hot takes, stay tuned to On Texas Football and follow upcoming episodes for real-time reactions to the pivotal Munchan Sales commitment and more. Hook ‘em!