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Coffee & Football: Texas Legends Issue a WARNING Before Camp — “They Have to Get PHYSICAL”
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Texas national champions Brian Robison and Tony Hills join Bobby Burton and Gerry Hamilton to explain what the Longhorns must accomplish when training camp begins. The former Texas standouts emphasize physicality, offensive-line cohesion, pass...
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Welcome in everybody. Time to talk a little football. This morning on Coffee and Football. I'm Bobby Burton, joined by Jerry Hamilton. This episode brought to you by our friend Adam Lowy over at Lowy Law Firm. There's some national news, some local Texas news to go over this morning. Let's start on the national level. Jerry, about an hour ago the SEC and Big Ten administrators asked for more time to discuss the Save College Sports act or Protect College Sports act, whatever it's going by right now. They had been given a 9am deadline by the Senate to respond and either give their blessing or not. What they've done instead is say, hey, we need more time to go over over this. You didn't give us enough time to respond. We're not going to sit there and sign off on a bill we haven't even read yet. So basically it goes into that category of more things to come. You know, we have to keep following this. There is going to be a response apparently by both the SEC and Big Ten. According to Ross Dellinger of Yahoo. Sports, the presidents of both conferences within each conference, including Jim Davis, the University of Texas president, will be on a conference call later today to discuss this and then they will go from there. But Save College Sports acts in its final act one way or the other, it appears Jerry today. All right. Also in from a Texas perspective, Jerry, big name recruit on the line has set up a final time to make a decision.
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Yeah, Landon Williams callous. We'd been they put out it was going to be August 1st. So we've been waiting on the win. What time on August 1st that announcement was going to come and we we had a group text last night saying hey, it's going to be around 7pm but we're going to wait for the family to put out the news. They did that. They're gonna through Dave Campbell's obviously Texas Football magazine, which he is on the COVID of. That makes perfect sense to me. He is scheduled to announce his decision Saturday night around 6:45, 7:00 and I will be there on Texas football. I'll be representing on Texas football. I'll be at that announcement. We do not have the where yet. We have the win. So it'll either be at a restaurant, a really big deal. That's been the plan more so than at a high school. But we'll see if that changes here the next 24 hours or so. But Landon Williams, callous now has his announcement time 6:45 7:00pm Saturday. So I'll be there with OTF we'll be there. And of course Bobby, we have heard nothing different as of as of Monday night, Tuesday night. I should say Tuesday night that there's still a lot of confidence in Austin. But we always wait for these guys to announce their decisions. Texas, smu, Texas A M, Houston, Missouri are your schools. But we believe, we continue to believe Texas is the favorite here. But again we let those guys announce their decisions, Bobby. But the if game, if it goes Texas way Saturday and we'll have graphic we'll have more stuff leading up to this announcement but I, I published a story this morning on ontexasfootball.com about where Landon Williams callous currently sits in the record books of Texas high school football both as a rusher and scoring the football. So if you're wondering where he stacks up, he's already on the record books going into the season before a game has played his senior season with a healthy season. I think he will leave high school football with the most 100 yard rushing games in history. He's currently at 41. Jonathan Gray has the record at 53, I believe. I think there's a chance that he will tie or break that his senior season scoring record. He'll probably end up second all time with a healthy season. You guys can look at that. We'll have a graphic about that as his announcement gets closer on Saturday. But 6:45 7pm Saturday on Texas football will be there in Richmond Rosenberg area for that announcement and we still believe Texas is the favorite there but we'll wait to see what he announces. And also Easton Royal put out his happy birthday to himself tweet this morning he turned 17. He had put out 729 over the weekend and people said oh no, is he flipping? Is this the date? This is the time he's going to flip. He was wishing him, he was wishing himself an early happy birthday and this morning he, he announced that he was he's taking another trip around the world. He turned 17 today. Fastest 17 year old in the world. Maybe top three
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17 year old in the world. He'll make it around the world. He'll make it around the world faster Jerry.
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10.15 probably 10.17.
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Hey, a couple other news and notes we you mentioned Tony Hills will be joining us today. Brian Robeson joining us. We, we tried to get him yesterday. I mixed up the dates frankly. And so he's coming on this morning around 9:00. Even though he's number 39. We can hear him uh, 38 days in two number two big numbers, 38 that uh, we know of, Jerry. Glenn Gaspard, uh, young man, not a young man anymore. Played for Texas in the 70s, uh, out of Winnie East Chambers war number 38 for the horns. I believe he was picked in the NFL draft. And then also Rod Muckaroy, the former Texas linebacker that played on some solid teams. Will Muschamp, I think. Did he recruit him maybe even. No, he did not.
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No, he did not.
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By the way, that reminds me, Jerry, I owe you an apology from yesterday. Arch Manning. So I was confused in my timing yesterday morning about when Arch committed and whether he knew Texas was going to the sec, etc. I was way off. You were correct. My deepest apologies. You won't get those, you won't get many of those from me. But sincerely I, that was my, my fault. Arch did have in fact know, did know that, that the SEC was going to be part of his recruitment when he signed with the University of Texas despite it coming Texas coming off a five and seven year before you sign with Texas. This gives you either that's how much street cred Steve Sarkeesian had as a quarterback coach at that time, Jerry, or how much Arch Manning was really interested in the University of Texas or both combination.
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Well, it's a great discussion because on Arch, because there's two things about that. But let's say I just want to throw this one out there too. If there wasn't a coach at Texas at the time when Arch Manning was coming out of Isadore Newman that fit the quarterback development number one on the Manning list. I mean think about David Cutcliffe, how much he meant. And I kind of called Sark the modern, their modern day Cutcliffe in terms of quarterback development. What they were looking for for architect. If there had not been that at Texas, Arch would be at Georgia or Alabama. He was not going to go somewhere. And I know this pain may pain some Texas fans to hear. Even though there's a lot of guys that have want to go to a school their whole life and then a staff wasn't in place or it didn't work out. But if there wasn't somebody that fit what the Mannings were looking for in terms of Arch's quarterback development, he wouldn't have come to Texas even if they were in the sec. I think that's something important to note. I mean the time, timing is so key and so important in so many of these recruitments, especially these big time guys. That Sark is the reason that our. Not that there could have been another coach, Bobby, but the likelihood of there being another coach from a quarterback development standpoint that the family would have signed off on, probably low percentage. So if you look at the two coaches at Texas prior, no chance. I mean, no chance. So a lot of this is timing. But it worked out for Texas, it worked out for Arch Manning that he got to go to the school he wanted to, always wanted to go to. Because it could have Bobby, it could have easily not worked out that way for him. And he'd be playing quarterback at Georgia or Alabama right now, probably Georgia, because Nick Saban did tell Archie Manny he couldn't guarantee that he'd be there all four years.
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Well, all right. So Jerry, we're gonna get to some other stuff, talk a little bit. Texas baseball got a commitment yesterday as well that we need to mention. Ole Miss is suing lsu.
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I'll tell you, the the world we live in today is the truth. Sometimes a stranger in fiction. Look, let me say this though. Want to say a bit big thank you to our sponsor, Every Wednesday's coffee and football brought to you by our friend Adam Lowy over at the Lowy law firm. If you've been injured in a car wreck, truck wreck, automobile accident of any kind, and think you might be due compensation, make sure you reach out to Adam and his firm, lowylawfirm.com that's loeylawfirm.com again they'll give you a free no strings attached consultation to see if you might be due compensation. That is loeylawfirm.com thanks Adam for your sponsorship of each and every Wednesday morning's coffee and football. Jerry Ole Miss announced that they are suing two of their former players and actually they're, I think they're co naming LSU in the suit to get back some unpaid buyout money from their contract, roughly totaling two players. One of one of the young men's actually from Maynard, Texas. Yeah, right, the UMA million defensive lineman edge rusher that transferred from Ole Miss to to lsu. You don't hear about this much and particularly not in the SEC actually, where even if you had buyouts, people would just let it go. But Ole Miss going after LSU to the tune of a million dollars. The thing about this too is if that's the case, that's supposed to go against their rev share cap as well. And LSU is reportedly one of those schools in purgatory right now over their involvement with CSC and being over the cap and not having done things, quote unquote, the right way. What do you make of Ole Miss going after LSU For a million bucks.
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Makes me feel like I should be in Oxford for that game. And I do live shows on, on Texas football is what I mean. People chat. Would y' all watch? I'm sure it'd be crazy. I mean, it just adds more to the game. I, I like the, the, the build up around that game.
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And I've.
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And I've kind of wondered before on here, I don't think it will be as ugly as when Chris Beard went back to Texas Tech for the first time, but I'm not sure. It's not going to be close at this point. I mean, there, there is. I think, I think we're underrating the Ole Miss fan hate. And I know it's not the same level fan base that, you know, the fan base that thought Sourcebee should be playing and defended the whole time, even though they're all wrong on social media, but I, I don't know, Bobby. The lead up to this game is going to be crazy. The stories written the week of the game, I'm not sure how much it's going to actually focus on the football game as much as it's going to focus on the lawsuits. The way Lane left and Lane. And I think Lane smartly came out and said, you know, the way I left, I probably would have redone. Of course you would have. It's after the fact. Of course you would have. But I think he's trying to kind of damp damn things down a little bit. But I think this is going to be wild, Bobby. That week of LSU at Ole Miss,
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the idea that he has to go in to Oxford.
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Yes.
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In the lion's den, essentially. I wonder if he's going to visit his old Pilates studio that morning.
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Yeah.
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5:30 workout.
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There's going to be locks on the doors of that one.
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You know, I, My, my take on it is that, you know, Ole Miss, while a fine institution in the sec, is not. Does not have the profile of lsu. And I know they had a tremendous year last year. More power to them. Lane Kiffin did a great job with that team. Pete Golding took over and did a great job with that team. Happy for them. But there's a reason Nick Saban told Lane Kiffin, you should take lsu.
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Yep.
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I mean, he knows Nick. If anybody knows the pecking order of the SEC and what it takes to win in it, it's. It's Nick Saban. And so while Ole Miss fans, like, if that happened to Texas, we'd all be pissed off, Jerry.
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Yes.
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Okay. But Texas, it doesn't happen to Texas because of the pecking order.
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That's right.
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You know what I mean? It happens to an Ole Miss. You know, I think in the question I have as, as I look at it, how, you know, at the end of the day, LSU was writing Lane Kiffin a blank check.
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Yeah.
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And I think giving him a better opportunity to win long term. Even though he proved he could win at Ole Miss. I, I think of the difference between these two coaches though. However, Kurt Signetti, like Indiana is a pecking order school in football or has been.
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Yeah, right.
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How many jobs do you think he turned down in the last two years? I mean how pissed off with Indiana and football is not a. You know, in basketball different story. Football.
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Indiana fans might just be happy they got their title and be okay with it and then they could turn to basketball who has a 20 million plus dollar roster this year. Ole Miss doesn't have that history of basketball. It's football history for them. Even though they've never won a national championship. Hey, that's something A and M can brag about to Ole miss. They've won one and Ole Miss hasn't won any but the 1939. But that means Ole Miss has never. So you win A and M fans. It's just
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saying.
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Here, here's my point. Okay. Lane Kiffin is also what, 10, 15 years younger than Kurt Zagnetti. So we got it. Yeah, we got to put that into it. So Kurt Signetti's not some spring chick that's gonna be bop around for the next round.
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64.
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Yeah.
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And so my, my take and the question I have for you and for those, for folks out there right now is do you begrudge Lane Kiffin for taking another job? I think if you're an Ole Miss fan, you absolutely do. But do you if you're not even an Ole Miss fan, okay, that's number one. Number two is, is Kirk Signetti making a mistake by staying where he's at? Hard to say you're making a mistake if you're making 12 million a year.
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Right.
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But if you want to win long term, is he making a mistake or just, or does Signetti just have the
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magic elixir on Lane? Look, I don't blame, I, I don't blame him at all. Like I don't. I would have taken the LSU job if I was at Ole Miss. Nick Saban would have. Steve Sargesian would have. It's not his fault or any of these coaches fault that the timing is horrible now because of the calendar and do I think Lane, if he was taking the job, stick it out. And Coachella almost through the playoffs in a perfect world. Yes, but how? The question is, how do you actually do that? This is not John Sumrall going from two Lane to Florida.
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Right. It's SEC to sec.
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It's SEC to sec. And it's a cutthroat recruiting world. At the end of the day, it's a cutthroat recruiting world. You have the Portal. Everything from a timing perspective, sucks for a coach making a job change nowadays. But if you're making a job change from an Ole Miss to one of the national powers, lsu. LSU is not going to hire you and say, yeah, go ahead and coach that thing out. It's okay. We'll get enough players somehow, some way. That's not the way this is going down. So, yeah, I mean, look, I don't, I don't begrudge Lane Kiffin at all. I think 99 of us would have taken the job. The timing of it completely sucked. Signetti, I think he's got the best job security in the world. He's got a statue built of him. He probably reached his ultimate goal at a place that nobody thought anybody would reach their ultimate goal at. If I'm signetti and I'm 64, I'm, I'm, I'm hanging it up at Indiana.
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Yeah.
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And, and because of the portal and the backing he has now at Indiana, he can be competitive. He may, I don't know if he's government. I mean, think about this. I know it's different with the Portal. When Bob Stoops won the national title in 2000, anybody think he wouldn't win another one? When Tom Izzo won a National Championship in 2000 in Michigan State, nobody thought that would be his last. How he's been the seven Final Four since and hadn't won another title. It's not easy.
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So, you know, that's a really good point. I, I, I will say this. There's some similarities between him and Signetti, actually. Stoops and Signetti. Stoops took over a, a program at that point. John Blake had kind of run it into the ground and immediately turned that thing around and won a national championship in his second year. And now he had a hell of a run. Now nobody's saying he wasn't a great coach his entire time.
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Won eight or nine conference championships.
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Yeah, exactly. So nobody's saying that. The issue is he never got back to the mountaintop. Right. So when that first national championship happened, Year two. I can tell you that as a Texas fan, was I concerned that OU was going to win three or four more in the next 15 years?
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Yes.
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Yeah, I was. I can tell you this much. Was Mack Brown concerned? Oh, you was gonna win three? Yes, yes, he was. And so I think there may be some. You know, and it's Bob Stoops also. No nonsense, no fluff.
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He insign the detail coach very.
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Everybody's looking for Signetti to look like Nick Saban and all that stuff. He may be more like Bob Stoops.
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We don't know. I mean, we just don't know. Portal gives him a chance and Nil gives him a chance, but, man, you just look at it. I mean, there's some crazy things with all these winning championships or bust conversations. I mean, look at Miami. Butch Davis didn't win a national title, did he? But the guy, his successor, won it with all his players. Yeah, I mean, it's just this stuff's not guaranteed. And again, I go back to Tom Izzo as one of mine that I think is a truly great coach in his sport. And he won a title in 2000, hadn't won one since. It's 26 years later this year. A guy who's been to eight Final Fours has won one title. That doesn't tell you how hard it is.
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I mean, I. I think overall, Jerry, we. We've kind of netted this out, right? I mean, I don't think either of us begrudge Lane Kiffin one for going to LSU from Ole Miss. It was. And people in the chat are saying it, and I think it's the. How he did it. It's the, you know, I want to still coach the team. Holding them hostage kind of in the athletic director that he did. But no one begrudges a guy for taking another job that pays. Like, that's just. You can't do that, right? That. That's not. Look, if everybody put yourself in their own shoes, that would be an issue. The. As far as Signetti is concerned, him not taking Penn State, him not taking Michigan, him not taking whoever, Florida, whoever came open. Right. I think it's. I think that's more indicative of his age. Doesn't have to climb and the area he's in and the time period we're in in college sports, that the portal doesn't Allows him to still be competitive no matter where you're at with. With the Nil. Yeah, I think those are all. All good points. That. That's where we net out some. Some Folks are asking about the Ole Miss LSU deal that we were talking about. Financially, it was an nil payment that was made to those Ole Miss players and apparently they've kept it and now they're going to make double over at, at lsu. So that's what they, they basically want their money back. I mentioned that. We'll have Tony Hills on a little bit later. We'll also have Brian Robeson. Jerry, you know, thinking about this, uh, and talking about uh, Brian B. Rob yesterday got me to thinking about a lot of uh, different aspects of his game. One of the things we're doing next week is top 25 players at Texas in what we're calling the modern era. Modern era being from 1992 to 2026. So basically what 35 years of, of college football. Let me ask you this, okay. Is Brian Robeson in your top 25 of players at Texas in the last 25 years? It's really. I, I did my list, I started doing my list yesterday and ranking them and I was trying to figure out which defensive ends because I was going position by position. Yeah, if you just start throwing names out there, it's too discombobulates my brain. If, if you think about it, I, I put a couple of defensive ends ahead of Brian Robeson from a production standpoint at Texas. Brian Arakpo was one of them obviously. I think Tony Brackens.
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Yeah.
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Long time NFL player and played at Texas in the 90s. What are your thoughts on the best defensive ends ever at Texas? Because Sergio Kendall certainly in there and in that discussion as well. Did you have a, a thought on any of those guys?
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I haven't dug down that deep into the list. I honestly, I mean a lot of people are like. And I, and I'll get spanked on this one but I've actually, I actually went back and forth on number one.
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Oh, between Vince and Ricky. Yep.
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I actually gave that some thought yesterday when I was out walking between Vince and Ricky. Does the national championship events automatically put him one? Ricky Williams career at Texas was unbelievable. Yeah, unbelievable. I mean I think Ricky Williams may be the best football player best have had the best football career of anybody that we're going to talk about. It's going to be fun list to see where everybody comes out.
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Yeah.
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I mean where does Corey Redding sit?
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On that list. I think he is, he is a possibility. Some people brought up some good names. Sergio Kendall obviously you brought up was on that list. I think, I think Brian Robeson what may get him in that bottom of that List. He was also really impactful on special teams. We talked about. Yes, he had six kick blocks.
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Yeah.
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I mean, so he was more than just a defensive end at the University of Texas. Not that that's a just thing, but he also impacted the game in multiple ways. He impacted winning multiple ways. So that, that's what, that's what was interesting to me when you look at Brian Robeson was that the six kick blocks, he was a guy helped you win games in multiple ways at the University of Texas. So are there guys that had more accolades coming out of college than Brian? Absolutely. Because on a team that was as loaded as that Texas team was those years, it, there's going to be a lot of guys with, with more accolades. I mean, Adjustin Blaylock. Right. And Aaron Ross, those guys in the secondary, obviously David Thomas probably had more accolades than Brian Robeson. But if you really dig into impacting winning, Brian Robeson did it in multiple ways. Two of the three phases of the game.
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Yeah.
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A minute.
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I was just, I will say this. So we limited it to 25 and I started breaking down my list. Literally. One of the things, great things about the University of Texas and following we mentioned pecking order earlier, I got up to about 45 guys that legitimately could be top 25.
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Yeah.
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And when I say that, I mean, look, Malcolm Brown, defensive tackle from Brenner, was a first round pick of the Patriots. He's not going to make my top 25
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because Leonard Davis.
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Yes.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But that, but that's the kind of thing that I'm talking about.
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Yeah, right.
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Is when you're a blue blood like Texas, you don't just have a top 25, you need a freaking top 50.
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Yeah. Here's a question, Bobby, I have for you. How many running backs were on that and high?
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So the running backs I ended up with, I, so I, I narrowed it down. I don't, I put five running backs in the top 25 in the modern era. In the modern era. And the problem or the thing that I, I think about is the impact they had on the, on the university. I mean, how do you, how do you not have Jamal Charles in the top 25? I mean, my goodness. I mean, he took over games at times, had a tremendous career at Texas. How do you not put Cedric Benson Mean what, 4,000? I mean, I don't even know how many yards he ended up rushing for Ricky Williams.
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Yeah.
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I mean, Deontay foreman had 2,000 plus yards rushing in a single season.
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Carried a team.
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Yeah. And so I think what about Bijn
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Robinson Yeah you know why I asked that question before we get to Tony Hills update with Hills is back because Landon Williams callis commits Saturday and what what did somebody tell us told told us about the circle is they could they can envision Landon Williams Callis being the next great running back at Texas. Yeah they all know the list. That's why I asked you that list is super impressive and that's what can take somebody's mind there. You got to remember and I'm not saying we let guys announce their decisions. Landon Williams callous uncle Michael Lewis was a great player at Lamar Consolidated at Colorado and then the NFL Jacquiz Rogers is in these Texas high school rushing records on texas football.com the story I published this morning NFL player James Rogers NFL player they all know all those guys that like that's going to be interesting if Landon Williams callous does commit the Texas Saturday what they talk about the wise we'll be there.
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All right, Jerry, you ready? You ready to go?
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I'm putting Tony on the spot right out of the gate. Let's go.
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Let's go to church. Jerry, what do you got for him?
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I ain't never scared.
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All right, Tony, this is really going to put you on the spot.
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All right.
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I don't know if you heard, but OTF is doing the top 25 players at the University of Texas in the modern era. Okay, if you, if you had to rank them one and two, would it be Vince one or Ricky Williams one?
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Huh?
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That's putting you on the spot, my friend.
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Well, okay, well I, I love that, but that's an open ended question and here's why. Because what is the, what is the judgment criteria? Are we talking about athletic talent? Are we talking about what they, their accomplishments at the University of Texas?
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I think it's career.
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Then it's going to be this, it automatically becomes Vince because the fact that the reality of the situation is he has the national championship and at the end of the day when you play the sport now, you always have these, these, these battles is, it's about. Okay, well, hey, you know, championship is a team sport like winning the national championship. I understand that. But there's also an aspect, especially because of the individual that you're talking about offensively that individually, that individual, I'm not going to say single handedly, but was a major, super, major contributor to us winning the championship. And he brought the team there and he did it on an undefeated season and he did it against one of the most prolific college football teams that NCAA has ever produced.
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So it was the best team ever. You know that?
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Yeah, yeah, it was, it was, it was, I think if you look at the, the amount of draft picks, the fact that they had just come off of a national championship and beat the brakes off of Oklahoma, oh, you still sucks at 856, which is, sorry, all of that stuff. So you gotta go, Vince. You gotta go, Vince. 1 ricky 2 I like it.
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A
I love the opinion.
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B
I, I will say this. This is always good. It's interesting to hear how a former player thinks this.
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C
Yeah.
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B
My question to you, Tony, when we talk about this kind of stuff is why, like the thing that I think separates Vince from Ricky and why I voted. I, and I also goes as I voted Vince won is he did it and you mentioned it in the game and he got to the game and he was the player in the game. And I know Ricky Williams probably had a. Ricky Williams played the minute he got on campus. Vince Young red shirted.
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C
Yeah.
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B
I mean, so there's all kinds of, you know, context that we have to think about. But, you know, the, the reason I pick Vance is because when I think of Texas football and the last national champion, I think of him sitting there in that confetti rolling down over his head.
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C
Yep.
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B
I think everybody else or most people think of that moment as well. And that, that, that's undefinable for the value of it. Now, the other question I had for you, all right, we were also talking about great defensive ends at the University of Texas and Brian Robinson's Robeson's gonna come on this show a little bit later. You went up against him a couple times in practice, I'm guessing.
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C
I did, yeah.
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B
Brian, who are some of the great defense ends at Texas and that you. They got Sergio, Brian Arakpo, obviously. Tony Brackens was probably before your time.
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C
96. Yeah. Jacksonville, he was a doll.
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B
Yeah. Corey Reading, who. Tell, tell us what you thought about some of those defensive ends and how you would maybe you don't have to go out and hard rank them because I don't want you to your former teammates, I don't want you to feel bad about it. But legitimately, what were your thoughts on some of those guys?
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C
Yes. So when you look at. So, okay, so here's what, so you talk about. Let's talk about the Bryans, right? Bnb. All right, so when you look at Iraqpo versus Robinson, their explosiveness was different. Brian's Robinson, his explosiveness was due to his, his lower body strength and his, his immense amount of flexibility. This guy was a bender. Like, I mean, like, I mean, you punch. Like I remember one time in practice, man, I I punched the dog crap out of this dude. Like, I, I mean, I literally gave it to him, bit his body over. He still was able to get around the corner, straight back down the flat line and chase the quarterback. And so when we, when we get out of practice, I'm like, bro, how in the hell, like, how? He's like, bro, you got me good. I said, bro, I don't know. You're not gonna, you're not gonna like, pump me up, dog. I lost, I lost that rep. And I don't understand, and I need you to explain it, but it's the shot put, the discus, the track, that flexibility. He had an immense amount of flexibility. When I think of Iraqpo, his was quick twitch to power. Like he had a. He had an explosiveness out of this world. I mean, this guy was like his freshman year. This guy was hang clingy, like almost 315 pounds as a freshman with no form, like all.
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Just all. And probably about £215 back then.
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C
It was crazy work. It was crazy work to see that much power in a frame that size, right? And so both of those guys were, were. Were tremendous. When you talk about impact, like impacting a game, Sergio Kendall was able to impact the game in so many different spaces, right? So it's not like you can just use him as a password. He was a phenomenal linebacker as well, right? So when I think about the ends that I played, I think about Tim Crowder, right? I think about somebody that. When you talk about effort, I look at Eric hall, that was somebody that was a big effort guy, right? It's hard. I couldn't rank them because then now you start, you have to start getting into stats and getting into impact. Tim Crowder, right? If you talk about consistency, Tim Crowder was one of the most consistent defensive ends to come out of Texas. He's played as a freshman. He had all those starts behind him. He was a very consistent guy. Corey Redden was a monster, you know? And then even when you go back further than that, you talked about the Tony Braxton, Tony Brackens, but Tony the Great, right? That's another one. Like, if you go back and you watch, you can go on those old YouTube things. I used to go to YouTube, guys. That's how I know people.
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B
Hey, it's before your time.
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C
Well, I know, guys, they recorded it.
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B
Hey, we're gonna do something a little special here. Yeah, we're gonna add, we're gonna add one of the guys.
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C
What's up, B?
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D
Rob, man, Tony, my guy Listen, I.
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C
I was telling them. I was telling them how. How gracious you were to me about a rep that we had in training camp when, you know, I had just started getting in the floor of playing offensive lineman, and I got a real good punch on you, bent you to the side. You pop back up, start chasing the quarterback down, and basically it would have been a sack. We get off the bus and I'm like, bro, how in the hell. Like, I gave you everything I had. Bro, how in the hell did you. And you started talking to me about, like, angles and bending and stuff like that. But I. I'll never forget that to the day that I live. I've never seen anything like that since then. It's crazy.
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D
That's. That's. That's the old Gumby rush. You gotta act like Gumby. Just get bent everywhere.
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C
Yeah,
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A
but the thing is, B, I
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C
saw you do it in Minnesota, and I saw a tackle get frustrated. I said, I've been there, been there, coached it up, did everything, everything right. And I was still wrong.
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D
Yeah.
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C
Great, phenomenal athlete, man. Great players get paid too, man. That's just what it is.
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B
Hey, Brian, we've had Tony answer this question we're talking about. We're doing a list. And thank. First of all, thanks for joining us, Tony.
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C
All right.
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B
And. And Brian, both of you guys. Brian, check in. Are you in Minnesota right now? Are you in. In Texas?
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D
No, man, look at this. Look at this. I'm out here at the pasture of Pain. Got a little football camp going out. My son's out there in a football camp.
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A
Master of Pain is a great name. I'm gonna have to steal that one.
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B
Hey, but Brian, we're talking about. We're doing a top 25 on tax. Football is doing top 25 Longhorns of the modern era. So from 92 to 26, basically 35 years. And the question that we posed to Tony and Jerry and I talked about Ricky or Vince at number one for you.
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D
Oof.
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A
We love putting you on the spot.
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D
Oh, I mean, could. You couldn't have just picked, like, two. Two other people? Like, like. I mean, you gotta put Ricky and Vince, Man.
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C
Yeah, yeah.
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D
I mean, it. It really doesn't matter which one you choose. You're not going to be wrong. I mean, that's the great thing about it. I. I think for me, man,
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C
I.
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D
I think you got to go Vince, man. And I'll tell you why, man. I think. Don't get me wrong. I feel like this is a. I don't even feel like this is A1, A1B. I feel like this is a CO1. And, but, but in my opinion, if you're talking about a guy that you got to put the hands or the ball in the hands of every single play, that's Vince. You know, Ricky, obviously you're going to get, if he's on your team, you're going to give him the ball 30 plus times a game, right? But Vince is a guy that has to touch the ball every single play. So not only is he a threat in the run game, but not only is he a threat as far as being a dual athlete, being able to run, scramble, everything like that. But people forget Vince made a ton of plays in a passing game, like game winning passes, Ohio State, you know, he had some great throws in the USC game. It wasn't like he was just a runner. He could throw the ball too and put it on the spot. So I think for me, Vince is number one, Ricky is also number one. How about that?
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A
I got a question for y' all and whichever one wants to go first to answer this, we've entered a new world in college athletics. John Meredith, the five star corner, and if y' all haven't heard, he reclassified last week from 27, which means he was about to, he was about to be a senior to 26. And he is now enrolled at Texas. He moved in Monday and gets to go through fall camp. That, that this is the new world. It's been in football like. And obviously the nil clock starts. He'd been ruled ineligible in the state of Texas due to transfer rules. So he had a, he had to make a decision there. Am I going to go somewhere else to play high school football? Am I going to enroll early? And I think Texas and his mom said, hey, let's get you enrolled early and start, start your development and see if you get on the field this year. But for Yalls perspective, how difficult is what he's about to try to do? How difficult is this going to be? Because he hadn't been planning on going to college, he'd been planning on being a senior in high school playing high school football. And I, obviously he's a corner, so it's different than you guys are in those developmental physical positions. But how difficult of a task is he about the go through?
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C
Well, well, let me say this because you said reclassify, so was he always projected to be 26 and then he was going to reclassify?
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A
No, no, no. He was always projected to be a 27. So senior coming up now.
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C
So he's so essentially he's like a junior, right, that's going into college.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Yes. He accelerated entire year. It's like you skipped your senior season and went straight to college.
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A
In basketball. In basketball, we can see it in football. Such a physical sport. Now he's playing corner.
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C
Yeah.
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A
But what's in front of that guy?
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C
There's a physicality. There's a physicality to that too. I'll say here, I'll say here's another caveat to that and I'm actually going to, I actually want to hear B. Rob statement. Being a defensive player, it's not just that he's a younger guy that's getting ready to go to the next level and play college ball. Now because of nil, you actually have older, older guys that are staying in college ball longer. So you're essentially playing these, I mean, these are rookies.
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A
Yeah.
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C
These are one and two year players in the, in the professional leagues from an age standpoint. So you officially, you essentially are going to get ready to play these grown men at that college space. That's an interesting aspect. Like I said, I'll defer to be Rob on that and get his thought process before I get mine.
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A
What do you think?
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D
I, I don't like the reclassification deal at all. And I'll tell you why. And it goes exactly to what Tony was saying. There is a physical maturity that happens when you go from junior high to high school, when you go from high school to college, when you go from college to the NFL. You think you're a grown ass man. When you're in, in your senior year of college, until you get, get to your rookie year of NFL football right now. I, I don't, I don't like it. I think, I think kids should be kids. I think you should enjoy your time at high school. You should be able to compete in spring sports. You should fulfill all of everything that you're supposed to do as a high school kid. Then you start your college career. So that, that's number one for me. I don't like the reclassification deal. Number two, Kind of what we've touched on already. When you are a kid that's coming out of high school at a junior, basically you're, you're, you're 17 years. Let's just say you're 17 years old, you're going to be playing against 21 year olds, 22 year olds. All right, that's like, and I know it's not the same, but when you, when you talk about just from a mental capacity of a guy who's been in college for three or four years. I mean, dude, you are way behind the eight ball, and people do not even realize how far behind the eight ball you are. Same thing when you get to the league. So from, from a mental aspect I don't like, from a physical aspect, we're still here. How many times do you see these kids come out of high school? I was one, I had big legs. But when I got to, when I got to college, I was skinny up top, I was underdeveloped, and within a year and a half to maybe two years of the program, I looked like I had a totally different body composition than I did when I came out of high school. So there's your physical aspect. You have time to develop, you have time to get things going. So my point to this is, is I really don't understand the need and I don't understand the reasoning. Why? Because you're putting yourself at a disadvantage already. You know, the NCAA came out, now, they said, hey, five years eligibility, that's it. That's what it is. There's no more red shirting for you to have time to go through this and develop and get physically, you know, developed and mentally developed and go through the system. And you don't have that anymore. Like you're, you're thrown to the wolves right off the bat. And you say, hey, your clock starts now and you got five years. So you're talking about a kid who could gain another year of experience, get in the weight room, develop himself even more before he gets to college. And you're taking that away because now you're throwing this kid in there to the wolves and now his clock has started. And to me, when you're talking about throwing a 17 year old in there, my kid, for example, my kid will graduate at 17 years old. And it worries me, I'm not even gonna lie to. It worries me because I had a year and a half on him. I was, I was almost, I think I was 19. Actually, when I got to college, I got held back. Sixth grade, I had that. I didn't have bad grades, but it wasn't great grades. So my parents held me back. And then I ended up playing throughout high school and got to. Got to college at 19. If you take away those two years for me, I don't know what happens. And I think the, the good thing that Parker has is, is I've been there, I've done that. I can get him to that point right but not every kid has that. And at 17 years old, you're throwing a kid to the wolves like that, saying your clock started, and they're not even of, quote, unquote, legal drinking age by the time their five years is up. You know what I'm saying? Like. Like, I. I'm just. I'm just being honest and I'm being real here. You're. You're taking this kid, and yes, maybe he's an anomaly and he develops and it happens fast for him, but your. Your chances of that happen are not very high. So to kind of simplify what I'm saying, I don't like the. I don't like taking the majority of these kids, reclassifying them, and throwing them into a situation where I truly do not think physically and mentally, they are ready for that.
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C
I'm gonna.
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B
I'm gonna tell you guys both this. So I agree with what Brian just said. First of all, I think that it is the anomaly that makes kids want. Want to do this. Malachi, Tony. Last year, the. The Miami wide receiver that looked tremendous in, like, the national championship game and all the lead up to that, caught 100 balls. He was able to do it. But there's actually a couple players on Texas roster that are. Are situated this way this year. Brian and Tony Richie. Wesley and Brian, this is a position for you to watch. He's a defensive end, tremendous young player. He graduated a year early, so it's.
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C
It's one.
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B
It's something for us to watch. The issue with John Meredith that was so shocking is Wesley planned for it for a long period of time. Meredith did not. He made the. The decision when he got denied eligibility as a senior in high school.
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A
It was transfer rule, not age rule for emeritus.
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B
So my point to both you guys is there's a couple guys situated like this. It'll be interesting to watch them all Right now, I've got to ask you guys both this question. You're. You guys have both been thinking about Texas football a little bit this year. Spring ball or fall camp?
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A
Excuse me?
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B
Starts next week. What are y' all looking for the first couple of weeks of fall camp from them? Tony, I'll start with you.
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C
Physicality. Physicality. Don't worry about the mistakes. The mistakes are going to happen, especially offensively. Like, I mean, look, I. I understand what coaches talk about. You know, no Emmys, we judge mes. I get that. But you got a whole different group of individuals. And now the. The proverbial bullets alive, right? So you're going to have Mistakes. But what you can't have is especially starting with. Because I know the. The limelight is going to be on the offensive line. So from an offensive line perspective, physicality, even if I'm wrong, when I'm wrong, you know, I was wrong when I got there. Like you. You felt me like, yeah, I might have. I was supposed to block the end. I ended up blocking the linebacker, but damn it, that linebacker was like, bro, go block. Who you supposed to block, right? Like. Like that. That's what we're looking for, right? We're looking for physicality defensively. I know B. Robert talked to this, talk about this, but you just want guys like Wild Banshees, man, disrupting and blowing up everything, right? You want to be able to see control. You want to be able to see. The biggest thing is when you're talking about Arch, you want to see consistency out of him, right? He's been in the program enough, he's had his start, he understands what's expected of him for the backs. When you're talking about the backs, explosiveness, you want to make sure they're able. Listen, running backs run the ball. Can you pick up pass blitzes, right? Pass protection. Who are your pass protection backs? Because we know what Sark likes to do. And then from a tight end perspective, man, being able to be a factor in the game, right? And so offensively, you want to. You want to see guys go out here, you want to see them be physical, you want to see a consistent progression, right? You want to stack days, right? You want to stack days of consistency. So now what happens is, as you continue to get further and further, further along into the program, into the training camp, man, you're firing off on all cylinders. And then the biggest thing is, man, stay healthy, do the things that you need to do to stay on the field. Because the reality is, is that you can't make the club in the tub and nobody's. You're not going to have everything that you need if you have pieces that are banged up and injured when you're coming out of training camp. So do what you got to do to stay healthy. So I would say those are the, the. The few nuggets. There's a plethora of things that we could talk about, but when I look at a team from an offensive standpoint, I want to see physicality. I want to see teams getting better and growing every time, and I want to see consistency from. Especially the positions are important. Receivers making sure that they're running routes to getting their splits. They're catching the ball, balls are making plays. You just want to see a team get out here and compete and be a well oiled machine by the time we get into the season. And you want to trend, I'm looking at it. This is the last thing I'll say. You want to trend upward, you want to consistently trend upward. You don't want that roller coaster ride. Right? That's what you're looking for.
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B
I, I gotta say this couple of fun things that Tony mentioned there me's if for people unaware. That's mental errors.
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C
Mental errors.
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B
Yeah, yeah.
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A
Just.
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B
That's a shorthand in football. And then you don't make the club in the tub. I like that one. Brian shaking his head. Brian, I saw you and Tony mentioned physicality. You were nodding in complete agreement. As they start this first couple of weeks of training camp. What are you looking for?
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D
Well, I knew Tony was going to say that right off the bat. Like that's one thing. Me and Tony's always been on the same wavelength since day one. Like so. So I knew he was going to say that. I'm going to touch on the defense first and then I'm going to go back to what Tony said to defensively. And this is going to sound really weird, but defensively I feel like is opposite of the offense and I'll tell you why. I think defensively we do need to worry about me's and mental errors and making sure you're in the right spot. You've got a new system coming at you, right. So that changes things a little bit. Normally if we were under the same system and things like that, I'd be like, hey man, we gotta get out there, get physical. We got to get after cats. We gotta, we gotta bring it to the old line because apparently we didn't do a good enough job of that last year in camp and we got in the season. I had to make changes this and that. But this year you got a new system. It is imperative for we all know mus Chad's going to line up, he's going to blitz. Right. If you're not in the right gap and you got two guys in the same gap, it's 88 and out the gate. Okay? So my point to this is, is make sure that you are tuned in and you are clued in. Playful speed play full blast. But make sure you know your playbook when you hit the field because if one guy's at a spot in the defense, it can ruin your whole day. So that is number one. Make sure that on defensive side of balls, we're not creating mental errors now up front, same thing. We got to get physical up front. We got to get after the O line because it's only going to make us better. It's only going to make them better. Right. So now I'm going to flip back to what Tony was talking about. Tony hit everything on the head and I. And I'm going to just go in a little bit deeper to explain to people why Tony is saying this. Look at our season last year. If you do not have a cohesive offensive line that can bully people around, that can pass protect, you find yourself in bad situations even against not up to par teams, right? And, and I'm going to be honest with you, that is probably 95 of the reason why this Texas team did not make the playoffs last year. Okay. So it's imperative that you start getting that from day one. Okay. Then he talked about the running backs. Not just running well, but press protect. What happens if we don't find that cohesive group of five? You better be able to throw a six guy in there that can chip that can, that can pick up a blitzer, that can pick up a safety on the run, right? Ultimately, in Starks offense, you, you want five guys up front handling five guys, handling six guys, whatever it is, making sure that everybody's on the same page. So you can get that extra receiver out in the route, you can get that running back in the flat to be able to hit them, right? But if you don't have what you, for example, at the beginning last year, that was the missing concept. We've got to throw an extra guy in there to help protect, right? And now, now it leans on Archer's shoulders because he's got to be able to find the open guy. So going to what Tony said, they got to be physical up front in the run game, but they got to be a cohesive five man group that is working together flawlessly in the pass game. And if you can't do that, you better have a running back that can pick blitzes up as well.
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C
Well said, man.
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B
I love this guys. Thank y' all so much for imparting your wisdom this morning. It's good to see you guys. That's an offensive tackle and a defensive end right there. That, that practice a few times celebrated
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A
on the same field. The biggest prize.
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D
Yes, sir.
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C
Absolutely.
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B
They both brought the pasture of pain to people.
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A
Come on, Pop. Hold it down.
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D
Yes, sir.
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B
Guys, y' all take care. Y' all have a good week. Thank y'. All for visiting with us on. On Texas football. Appreciate y'.
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C
All.
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D
Thank y'.
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C
All.
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D
Too. Good to see you, Tony.
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A
YouTube hit me up, man. We bring national champions together here at otf.
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B
Yes, exactly.
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A
Get them reconnected.
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B
How about Brian out there with the sun on the.
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C
He's.
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B
He's like in the. The pickup or. I was that like an ATV that he drove to the. To the football field?
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A
Pasture of pain, man. I hadn't heard that. I think Glenn west said that at Brenham one time during their county fair workout. I think he called it pasture of pain. I'm trying to remember. I'm pretty sure he did.
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B
I.
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A
By the way, you mentioned Malcolm Brown earlier. I know I got to do ad reap. I gotta tell people real quick since you mentioned Malcolm Brown, D lineman from Burnham. One of the things I'll never forget in my years in this business was they did the county fair workout at Brenham and I got up there and Malcolm Brown at 290ishlbs had run a sub 6 minute mile. I was like, okay, he's got athletic stamina. Check that box. But I mean, that was pretty different. I think it was like 620 something.
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B
Oh my goodness.
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A
It was ridiculous. At 290 pounds in the heat of the summer.
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B
That's crazy. That is crazy.
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A
All right.
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B
Hey, Jerry, we do need to get to an ad read. We're behind on those because we had the two good guys on. Here we go. Von Lane, please tell them about it.
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B
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take some questions yeah, look, I just think it was. They both started with physicality. I think the one thing that sometimes is lost in football as the rules have changed to be for more offense, right? Sells tickets, ticket prices go up, blah, blah, blah, TV highlights, right? We live in that world. And the rules are certainly made for offense and all sports these days is they both started with physicality. And I think, you know, the schedule that Texas is playing this year and the pursuit of that goal at the end of it, if you're lucky enough, fortunate enough to get to that game. You know, if. If we think back to even last year's Miami Indiana game, there was a level of physicality in that game that was required to be a national on both sides. Both sides. Indiana had a. There was. Miami was a physical team on both sides of the line of scrimmage. Indiana couldn't just win that game because they had the best quarterback. They had to win that game physically. They had to stand up physically to that defensive line of Miami in that offensive line of Miami, which was two physical units with a physical mindset in their run game. And I think it was great that they both started there because I guarantee you this, we know Will Muschamp started there when he got to Texas. Think about the shirt he wore and think about the comments he made at thsca. Think about what Jabar Jaluke's comments at ts thsc about if you're not physical running the football for me, we'll get you a cap and a clipboard to hold. The coaches are saying the same things that Brian and Tony, national champions who, remember, what do we think about with that Texas team, the offense, the zone read Vince throwing and running the football. They won those games up front, though, at the end of the day. And I think. I think physicality, and I think the emphasis on physicality is going to be Steve Sarkeesian's talking point to start this fall camp. I think they're right on it.
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Just an update. We started the show talking about the Safe College Sports act and how it's on its last legs in Congress. I actually have something that came through and this just tells you why you probably need some kind of federal intervention or some sort of intervention. The NCAA this morning says it has suspended Tennessee linebacker Aran Carter two games for a $427 flight which he repaid during the NFL draft process. I give up $427. Yet we have high school kids that are taking money illegally and getting paid before they enter College. But $427 is going to cost Arian Carter, the Tennessee star linebacker, two games. He repaid it, by the way.
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Well, if. As long as one of them's in Knoxville against Texas. I love this.
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Oh, I don't think one of them's in Knoxville. My point being, come when are we gonna.
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Ridiculous.
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When are we gonna get real NCA?
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He Mrs. Furman in Kennesaw State. Quite the punishment. So he's. So Josh Hypo secretly is like, yes, we get him healthy for when it matters.
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He's.
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We don't get some freak injury against Furman where he rolls his ankle in the third quarter.
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Guys, this is for who I can go for. Guys, this is for Tony and Brian and you guys being able to get them live on the same podcast.
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Really great.
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Thank you. Huang Ty Bot, I think is the name of that currency, by the way. Thank you so much, Slick Rick. If Arch wins the Natty, does he surpass vy's legacy? You know, Jerry, that was one of our conversations separately as a. As a group offline yesterday is should we include existing players on the roster as part of this top 25? And we determined we would not.
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Right.
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Because I. Look, I think Colin Sims going to end up on that list.
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Yo. No doubt.
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For sure. But how high on that list depends on how well he does this year. You agree with that?
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Yeah.
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Where do you think, if Arch wins the Natty, does he surpass?
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I will say this.
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I want to say this. If Arch doesn't win the Natty.
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Yeah.
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Is he even in the top 25?
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Let's answer the second part first.
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Okay.
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If Arch carries Texas to a national championship game, like Colt McCoy did now, Colt got hurt. There's a bit of. And let's just say Texas plays well and loses the game. Somebody's just better that day. I think Arch probably had a great fourth year. It's called fourth year at Texas. If Texas went on and had the unforgettable season, I will say this. I think what would happen nationally, Bobby, is people would rank him ahead of vy.
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Oh, no.
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Yes.
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And you know why he would have to be the dominant player in college sports.
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You know why I think over time people will do that? Is because what's going to be talked about, Archie, Eli and Peyton never won a national championship. And if Arch has that type of season, there's a decent chance he wins the Heisman. Archie Eli and Peyton never did. If he has that unforgettable season, I think people will probably rank Arch Manning ahead of ey. Whether people agree with that. Or not when ESPN does these lists over time because that, that in the Manning family Arch will have done something that hadn't been done at the college level.
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This will surprise some folks. In that list of that top 25, I only put two quarterbacks. I only put two quarterbacks. Top 25 players last 36 years. Michael Schuler, will Landon Williams Callis finish as a five star? Can't answer that for people that we don't oversee like 24, 7 ESPN and on 3. But is he a five star in your estimation, Jerry? What, what do you think?
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I think on Friday nights he is a five star player. I will say that as far as when you do rankings, okay. If you're ranking these, all these players, so much of this stuff comes down to how many running backs when you're in the room. Bobby, we've all been there. How many running backs are you going to rank as a five star? Because whether people like this process, this rankings process or not nowadays on some of these positions due to NFL draft and one of the interesting things is you don't really want to have three or four or five star running backs in a class in these rankings anymore because it doesn't pan out.
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The three and four guys aren't going to be drafted in the first round.
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That's right. So right now there's two five star running backs in the rankings. It's come on spell who's very good if you haven't watched them out of McKeesport, Pennsylvania, committed to Georgia and David Gabriel, Georgia's out of Baylor school, Chattanooga. I think he's from Toronto. Huge win for Tennessee over Ohio State last week in recruiting. And then you have Landon Williams callous who's right outside those five stars. I mean he's right outside of it so. And he is a five star by some people. So the question becomes are you going to have three five star running backs rated in your top 32? At the end of the day, I think Landon is a five star football player on Friday nights for sure. I, I don't think there's any doubt. Just go look at where, look at what he's done.
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I'm just, I'm one of those guys that doesn't really care where a guy is drafted.
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I care about what he does at
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the University of Texas now. I'm happy for him when he gets drafted highly and I think it looks good. But I want him to be a five star in college.
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Yeah, he's a five star on Friday night.
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Yeah. Texas, like speaking of running backs did you ever see Noel Divine in high school? Best highlight tape ever. I don't know if it's the best highlight tape I've ever seen, by the way.
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I've seen some pretty good ones.
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It was darn good. But yes, we did see a young man out of South Florida that ended up at West Virginia. He was undersized, and that undersized ability never really transferred to the college game. But yeah, Tuscan. But I saw it a bunch actually there. It was all right. Robert Gathering Gaythright Jerry, I sure enjoyed the interview with Coach Miller yesterday. Men's basketball is in great hands. If you didn't know this, let's talk a little bit about this. Sean Miller met with the media yesterday.
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Yeah.
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After we talked to Vic Schaefer, the women's coach, in the morning, Sean Miller, the men's coach, met with the media. Jerry, anything that that came out of that that you wanted to pass on to folks here at. On Texas football?
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Yes, I'll answer the question first. Yes, Texas basketball is in great hands when Sean Miller is hired. I think there were some people said, is this guy, can he do it anymore? He hadn't been at a major college in 10 years. And one of the things I said was, look, he's been to the sweet 16 or better, every job he's ever had. And it took him one year to get there at Texas. It was bumpy road. Year one's gonna be bumpy, but he's now he's four for four, sweet 16, all four of his head coaching jobs. Xavier, Arizona, Xavier, and now Texas again, getting Xavier to Sweet 16 early date, two times. By the way, he's a tremendous coach. I think he's one of the elite coaches in the college game. And I think he may be as motivated as any coach because he hasn't been to that far Final Four. He's had two, three rough losses in elite eight games. I do think Texas basketball is in great hands. I think it's perfect timing. We talked about some of this stuff with timing. I think it's perfect timing for Texas. I think it's perfect timing for Sean Miller because the portal in the NIL era. In the NIL era, Texas had a decision to make in this off season on basketball. Prices went up 30 to 40% on players. If modest had jumped in the portal, he could have made $5 million from Louisville or somewhere. So Texas is like it was put up or shut up time in basketball for Texas, and they've stepped up and it's great. And he's got a roster full of future NBA draft picks. Yeah, he talked about Marcus Spears yesterday. We had an article on that. I, I put out on a couple of stories that Marcus Spears was doing very well in his first few practices at Texas. Sean Miller talked about how he's, he's in the gym, weight room at 6:36 in the morning. He talked about how that kid's motivated and may have the highest ceiling in the program. Not necessarily he's not going to be Texas best player this year, but he'll be a top three pick after 2028. He'll be Texas two years. Talked about Austin Goosby, talked about Isaiah Johnson, David Punch, all those guys. Talked about modest guy, 6% body fat at 7 and I've reported that 6% body fat at 7 foot 255. There aren't many people in the world that are that he's got a tremendous team. My whole goal, I know some people are already like national championship or bus for Texas basketball. I'm not there. I'm not there in football. My goal is to be a number one or two seed. I think if you're a number two seed in the tournament, you're going to have every opportunity to have a great run. And the number one or two seeds cover 80, 84. I think of your last 25 national champions, 21 of them have been a one or two seed. And obviously if Texas, there's a lot on the line for this Texas team. If they can get to be a one or two seed, there's a chance they play in Fort Worth and then San Antonio. It lined up that way for T.J. ford's year. They went to the national championship where they had the Sweet 16 Elite Eight in San Antonio. That's where you're gunning to be. And I look, I think they got a tremendous roster. I think he's going to start five future NBA draft picks this year. I think they got a chance. Now the toughest part, the easy parts, the easiest part is happening this summer, the workouts with the team. And I've heard great things. I've heard the staff's very pleased. Now the hard part starts. Everybody, everybody in that team expects to play right now and they probably have a minute number in their head. Some of those guys aren't going to get as many minutes as they want. So now that the toughest part of coaching begins when this start, when the season starts, is managing the guys on your roster and keeping them all in the buy in. They're in the buy in right Now I think Sean Miller's the guy to do it.
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All right, final question for the day, Jerry. Will Easton Royal flip or stay? This for Big Poke. A lot of questions in the chat about Easton Royal. His big announcement this morning was actually that it is his birthday apparently. So we kind of told that Eastern Royal, the wide receiver out of New Orleans that ran, I think the 101 7-100-meter Jerry in the rain committed to the University of Texas. He is still committed to Texas, but obviously entertaining offers from both LSU and Florida at the same time. Your thought? Will Easton Royal Fleet flip or stay?
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I'm, I'm on the same place. I've been with this recruitment the whole time. This recruitment's going to go till late November because it's not like if he doesn't flip, LSU is going to walk away. I, I'm going to tell this may not be popular to hear for people. I'm not sure the college coaches really know what he's going to do right now, Bobby, and I think you might be able to have some insight there too. It's like, look, we feel good about it, but you don't because he's, he cut off communication with all college staffs for a while to kind of go through this process. Him and his mom.
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Clear his head.
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Clear his head. He's got a ton of pressure in that state. I, I maybe as much as any player outside of Leonard Fernet. Honestly, I think that's kind of where he's gotten to as a prospect. But Fernette was number one in America at St Aug, so it's a little different because that's Frank Wilson's school and everything. There's a little difference there, but I think the college coaches don't really know right now. I think you can feel good about it if you're Texas, but I, I still think they think this thing's going to be a fourth quarter recruitment, which means it's going all the way to November.
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All right.
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Hey, Jerry, before we let folks go, reminder every episode of every Wednesday's episode of Coffee and Football, brought to you by our friend Adam Lowy over at the Lowy Law Law Firm. If you've been injured in a car wreck, truck wreck, automobile accident of any kind, and think you might be due compensation, make sure you reach out to Adam and his firm, Lowelawfirm.com they'll give you a free no strings attached consultation to see if your due compensation again, that is Lowy Law firm dot com. Adam, thank you for your ongoing sponsorship of On Texas football as well as of Texas athletics as well. Jerry, any final thoughts before we let folks go this morning?
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Now if you're just getting into the show, Landon Williams callous will announce around 6:45, 5 or 7 Saturday night. We will be there on Texas football. Be there. I'll represent OTF at that ceremony. I think that will be carried live on Dave Campbell's YouTube channel. Obviously he's on the COVID of Dave Campbell's. He's one of the guys on the insert cover of Dave Campbell's. He should absolutely announce on Dave Campbell's. He's the first high school player to be on that since Cedric Benson. He should absolutely, I think first running back. He should absolutely make his announcement with on the Dave Campbell's I think YouTube site Texas Football YouTube site will be
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there to cover it.
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And if obvious, if it goes the way of the horns we'll have much. We'll have interviews with his coach. We'll probably have his coach on next week. We'll have some in depth interviews with Landon Williams callous and his family members if that goes Texas way Saturday.
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All right.
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We're also going to be following the Protect College Sports Act.
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Oh boy, are we.
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Here's a. Here's a tweet from Pete Thaml of espn. The deadline set for Congress by congressional staffers looms as a way for politicians to highlight Big Ten and SEC not wanting to cooperate. In fact, though important to remember the bill was put together with minimal initial input from those two leagues.
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Yes.
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Therefore that has led to so much work now that they are actually engaged. Funny how you start with Cody Campbell and Randy lavine, the president of the Yankees and a chair of the board of regents over at Texas Tech and you end up with, you know,
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wait, wait. The interesting thing about that is. So the guy from the Yankees, does he really care about the Oakland A's?
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I think it's hilarious.
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Dodgers and Yankees care about gays.
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Well, about doing that. He doesn't even know about college sports. I mean it's just ridiculous. It's. It's like that was a ridiculous anyways and Bobby, I could go on for the the we could go on forever and this show would last until 2am Yeah.
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I got a final question ask you before we get out of here.
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Yeah.
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What do FOX and ESPN have to say about this? Because that this matters.
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I, I think that they think it's just all, you know, they'll react but I don't think they think this is going to pass.
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Yeah.
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That's what they've been saying this whole time.
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All right.
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I, by the way, if you would like, if you enjoy on Texas football, scoffing football and also want to know all you can about the University of Texas football team, athletics in general as well as recruiting, make sure you check us out over@ontexasfootball.com we've had a lot of people join us over on the message boards and we've got we're now eight days away, Jerry, from the start of fall camp. So we're gonna have some specials going on over there at that time. Make sure you come join us over@ontexasfootball.com For Jerry Hamilton, I'm Bobby Burton. Blake Monroe will be back tomorrow morning to hang out with us. Thanks to our sponsors, Lowy law firm, Von Lane Shields now starting to open in Cedar park on August 29, as well as prize picks. Thank you all so much and y' all have a good, good morning. And we'll be back a little bit later today with more from on Texas Football. Hook them.