LIVE: Texas’ Toughness Test - Muschamp, Juluke & The Physicality Fix Sark Needs

Summary

On Texas Football — "Texas' Toughness Test: Muschamp, Juluke & The Physicality Fix Sark Needs"

Host: Jeff Howe
Guests: CJ Vogel, Hank South (with cameos by Bobby Burton, etc.)
Date: July 22, 2026

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Episode Overview

This live episode dives into the current state of Texas Football, placing a strong emphasis on the evolving culture of toughness, physicality, and discipline that Steve Sarkisian is seeking to instill—especially with highly-touted new staff additions Will Muschamp (defensive coordinator) and Jabbar Juluke (running backs coach). Broadcasting from the OTF House during SEC Media Days in Tampa, Jeff Howe and CJ Vogel mix SEC media reactions, insider observations, and coaching clinic takeaways to assess whether Texas is ready to pass college football’s ultimate “toughness test” in the SEC.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Scene: SEC Media Days & Texas’ “Toughness Test”

• Texas at SEC Media Days:

  • The live stream is on location from Tampa, with the crew attending Media Days.
  • Georgia was featured at Media Days, leading to direct comparisons between Texas and the reigning standard-bearer for physicality and discipline.

• Will Muschamp’s Impact:

  • Will Muschamp’s return as Texas’ defensive coordinator is a central storyline.
  • Both high school and college coaches (including rival programs) attended Muschamp’s recent coaching school lecture, highlighting anticipation for his impact on UT’s defense.

2. The Georgia Standard: What Texas Must Match

• Physicality & Toughness as Non-Negotiables (06:14, Raylen Wilson):

  • Former Georgia LB Raylen Wilson describes Muschamp as "my dog," teaching anticipation and holding players accountable while keeping things lively.
  • Muschamp's DB clinic stressed: “You don’t need to be a killer, but you got to be willing to put your face in the fan.”
  • Quote:

    “He was a serious dude at the same time. He’d be quick to flip the switch on you, rip you if you messed up a play. He’s pretty much just like Coach Smart… learned a lot from the little nuggets he put in ball, like anticipating plays.” – Raylen Wilson ([06:14])

• Kirby Smart’s Model (18:51, Drew Bobo):

  • Georgia’s physical identity sets the blueprint for what Texas is chasing.
  • Quote:

    “Coach Smart harps on that physicality and does it so much that it trickles down to everyone else. As an offensive lineman, you don’t want to be known as soft. We want to be known as one of the most physical units.” – Drew Bobo

3. Did Texas Lack Physicality and Intensity in 2024?

• Diagnosis of 2024’s Shortcomings:

  • Jeff Howe and CJ Vogel argue Texas wasn’t “soft” last year, but the physicality and intensity weren’t consistent or among the team's defining traits ([10:17], [16:03]).
  • Texas’ inconsistent power running and short yardage failures were repeatedly cited as symptoms of an incomplete toughness identity.

• Staffing Solution:

  • Sark’s new hires (Muschamp, Jaluke) are seen as intentional moves to elevate intensity, attention to detail, and discipline—believed essential for competing nationally ([08:44], [16:13]).

4. Coaching Lineage, Philosophy—Does Sark’s Background Matter? ([14:04])

• Debate about Offensive Minded Coaches & Toughness:
  • CJ raises the point: Are “West Coast QB” coaches less likely to engender toughness?
  • Compares Sarkisian to Saban, Kirby Smart, Signetti, Harbaugh, and Ryan Day—arguing only Day has achieved at the highest level with offense-driven teams that may lack elite toughness.
  • The point: If Sark isn’t the toughness culture-driver, Muschamp’s hire must absolutely “hit.”

5. What Real "Toughness" Looks Like (20:36+)

• Benchmarks:
  • “Run the ball, stop the run, don’t beat yourself” – classic Parcellian football wisdom ([16:56]).
  • Texas’ 2024 season lacked a reliable ground game in big moments (vs. Georgia, Ohio State), which Georgia and Alabama have consistently delivered.
  • The need: Consistent, not cyclical, physicality.

6. How Culture Trickles Down – Quotes & Key Moments

• Consistent Emphasis:

  • “You get what you emphasize. Is he [Sark] emphasizing it the right way?” – Jeff Howe ([13:06])

• No More Excuses:

  • “There’s no more excuses for why this team can’t gain a yard against Oklahoma four straight times on the one yard line or why they go to Ohio State in the Cotton Bowl and… can’t figure out a way to do that even in a jumbo set.” – CJ Vogel ([18:51])

7. Jabar Juluke—Mindset Shift in the RB Room ([45:39], [48:02])

• Clinic Notes & New Philosophy:

  • Jaluke’s RB coaching approach: Everything is a fist fight or a boxing match; “We’re going to be the most violent runners you’ve ever seen.”
  • Arm tackles are unacceptable; if one brings you down, “you’ll be standing next to me on the sideline with a ballcap and clipboard.”
  • Freshmen like Derrick Cooper are being challenged to finish every play, with tape from spring practice used to enforce accountability.

• Quote from Clinic:

  “Sometimes you just gotta go be tougher than that guy. Sometimes you gotta go try to pop that guy in the chin.” – Jabar Juluke ([45:39])

8. Roster & Recruiting Impact—Who Will Lead the Charge?

• RB Room Talents:

  • Noted: UT has first-team all-conference RBs (Hollywood Smothers, Raleek Brown), former five-stars (Derrick Cooper), and blue-chip freshmen.
  • Standard for RB play at Texas (Cedric Benson, Jamal Charles, Roschon Johnson) set as the expectation ([50:34]).

• Key Freshmen Hype:

  • Derrick Cooper: Frequently called out by spring and summer observers for surprising speed, explosiveness ([53:24]).

9. Comparing SEC Rivals: Oklahoma & Texas A&M Discussion

• OU and A&M as Benchmarks, Threats:

  • Discussion on whether Oklahoma or Texas A&M is a bigger threat, with arguments on both sides about QB play and defensive ceilings ([62:23–64:22]).

• Physicality Context — Can Texas Beat Georgia at "Phone Booth" Football?

  • Until Texas proves it can push Georgia around, skepticism from SEC media is warranted ([33:03], [34:37]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Will Muschamp as a Force:

  “Physicality and toughness, those are non-negotiables… tackling is a non-negotiable. You don’t need to be a killer, but you got to be willing to put your face in the fan.” – Jeff Howe recalling Muschamp clinic ([06:47])

• Kirby Smart’s Culture:

  “Coach Smart harps on… physicality and does it so much that it trickles down to everyone else.” – Drew Bobo ([18:51])

• Jabar Juluke’s Philosophy:

  “If a guy tackles you with one arm, you’re not going to play at the University of Texas. You’ll be standing next to me on the sideline with a ballcap and clipboard, too.” – Jaluke, as recounted by Jeff Howe ([45:39])

• On Mindset & Expectation:

  “Sometimes you just gotta go be tougher than that guy… just gotta go try to pop that guy in the chin.” – Jaluke ([45:39])

• Cultural Shift Mandate:

  “No more excuses for why this team can’t gain a yard against Oklahoma four straight times… or go to Ohio State in the Cotton Bowl and can’t figure out a way to do that. That’s really where this all started.” – CJ Vogel ([18:51])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Will Muschamp culture/DBs/Toughness Clinic: [06:14–08:44], [13:06]
• Kirby Smart/Georgia model on physicality: [18:51], [20:36]
• CJ on Texas' lack of consistent physicality in 2024: [08:44–10:17]
• Sarkisian’s philosophy vs. Saban/Smart “style” debate: [14:04–16:13]
• Short yardage failures—Texas’ 2024 problems: [16:13–20:36]
• Running backs & Jabar Juluke's “fight” clinic: [45:39], [48:02]
• CJ on Texas RB talent & attitude: [50:34–54:41]
• Freshmen RB hype (Derrick Cooper): [53:24]
• OU vs. A&M as threats and comparative strengths: [62:23–65:05]
• Recap/Closing thoughts: [66:51–67:33]

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Tone & Flow

• Energetic, Candid, Analytical:
  The discussion stayed intense, with CJ and Jeff often speaking passionately about the need for a mindset shift toward "no-excuses" football. Analogies were colorful (every RB drill as a fist fight or boxing match), and language remained true to the football culture.

• Insider and Player-Driven:
  Frequent referencing of direct conversations with coaches, clinic notes, and current player soundbites gave the episode a "from-the-ground" credibility.

• Interactive & Entertaining:
  Interspersed poolside shenanigans (jumping in a pool for superchats) and light OTF house banter brought fun to the otherwise serious football talk, but without derailing the in-depth focus on physicality and culture.

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Summary Takeaway

This episode set the stakes for Texas’ move deeper into the SEC: If the Longhorns want to hang with Georgia, Alabama, and other bruising SEC powers, they must build relentless, week-in, week-out physicality, not just flash it in big moments. Sarkisian’s 2026 squad is loaded with talent, but the ultimate test—and the reason for Muschamp’s and Juluke’s hires—is whether they can inject a true, consistent toughness into the program. As CJ put it: "No more excuses." The season ahead will reveal if Texas can finally pass the toughest test that defines championship teams.

Transcript

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[CJ Vogel]

Yes, I did, and it was a total mistake on my part, especially considering there's a pool right next to me, Jeff. So a body of water next to Me already. Already in the state of Florida already in the summertime, you'd think those three things added up together. You'd be like, hey, don't. Don't sit by the pool in the summer in the heat in Florida and, and, and complain about mosquitoes. Well, I'm doing it again tonight. And now I got my little Michael Jackson hat as well.

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Matt, we definitely need to make sure we cut that and have it for some point down the road.

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[Jeff Howe]

So CJ Got a fedora. Cj, Myself, Hank south, we went to the little media party over at, I think benchmark International Arena. It used to be the Ice palace in Tampa is what they used to call up and home of the Tampa Bay Lightning. So we were there for the meeting party. Good times had by all. He came back here to do the live stream. So C.J. got a hat. Hank and I, quite frankly, the hats didn't fit. And it was, it was a lost cause. So CJ Made, CJ Made. Made up for it by doing. By just wearing the hat and going all out. You kept the hat on most of the night at the media party, which I do applaud. All right, so. Well, go ahead, C.J. sorry, no, I don't need to be

[CJ Vogel]

wearing this thing any more than I had already.

[Jeff Howe]

All right, so as always, super chats. Get the questions, comments, concerns, airing and grievances, whatever you got lining up in the comments. We'll get to it. Super chats, as always, jump to the front of the line. I know you guys have questions about the OTF House. We can get to those here in a little bit. We'll talk SEC media days. I was also at the THSCA convention Sunday and Monday. Drove from Houston back home, got up, caught an early flight out of Austin this morning, joined the guys. I was telling CJ and Hank by about 2:30ish this afternoon, I was. I hit the wall and really needed to get the second win, so. But we're good to go, C.J. let's go ahead. And I think what our lead topic tonight is going to kind of meld the two events together because Georgia was up today and we talk about Georgia in terms of where Georgia sits in the sec. We just got our immediate preseason media ballots to fill out. I'm gonna have Georgia as the preseason SEC champion because I can't pick Texas to beat Georgia until I actually see Texas go out and do it. I don't have enough evidence based on what we've seen that leads me to believe this time will be different. I'd Love to be proven wrong. But, C.J. you were asking Raylan Wilson, the Georgia linebacker, about Will Muschamp, and it's going to probably be a Will Muschamp heavy show. So CJ producer Matt's got the clip. I will let you set this clip up since you asked the question.

[CJ Vogel]

Well, of course, everybody wants to know what, what does Will Muschamp bring to the table in his second stint as the defensive coordinator at Texas? And well, I thought there was nobody else better to ask than Raylan Wilson, a guy with 75 tackles and spent three years with Georgia. With Will Muschamp in the ranks growing into his role, this is what he had to say this morning. Talk about development and, you know, the coaching staff that goes into that on the defensive side. What did Will Muschamp mean to that before he left this offseason?

[Jeff Howe]

Man, that was my dog. He's always come to practice smiling, yelling, trying to make people laugh. But he was a serious dude at the same time. He'd be quick to like flip the switch on your rip you if you do some messed ups, like if you mess up play. He's pretty much just like coach smart. But yeah, he taught, man, he's taught me. And really because the young guys, he was there for a year with the young guys. But I say I learned a lot from just little nuggets. He put ball like anticipating plays.

[Hank]

He's.

[Jeff Howe]

He's taught me a lot since being at Georgia. So CJ we go back to and thanks to producer Matt for lining that up. Will and Ni on rush there says no thud. No play. We got a taste of that in the spring. But I'll go back to Will Muschamp giving the lecture at coaching school. And you know, he's the thsca was happy to have him back in the state of Texas. The Texas high school coaches in general, very happy to have Will much impact. As a matter of fact, I was in on his presentation. Members of the Texas State staff were in there listening. Members of the A and M staff were in there listening. Members of the SMU staff. So even the college coaches wanted to hear from Will Muschamp and C.J. we know this and I think we saw this a little bit in the spring for Will Must champ. Physicality and toughness, those are non negotiables. Like no matter what position you play, especially like from a DB standpoint, man, Will Muschamp's chalk pocket coaching school. There's basically a DB clinic. Like what he looks for in defensive backs, what he wants defensive backs, tackling is a non negotiable said you don't need to be a killer, but you got to be willing to put your face in the fan. We've heard him use that term a lot. And C.J. i think when you look at the new hires, this is where I'm, I'm at with the new hires on the staff. You know, Will Musham and Jabbar Jalu when so with Sark making those changes, C.J. i think it all goes back to the thing you want to talk about tonight, which is toughness. I think Sark felt like Texas lacked it last year, didn't have it probably as consistent. And I'm not saying this is a soft team, but I, I think especially offensively didn't have it as consistently as they needed to have it in 2024. I think that's why we can go back to some of the short yardage issues with this team and the various issues we talked about. But CJ I think that's exact what Sark wanted making these two hires was he wanted in. And that that air of toughness and listening to one must champ then knowing his background, listening to Jabar Jaluke yesterday. CJ, I am expecting this. I will be very surprised that this isn't a noticeably tough for Texas team. When we see the product on the field.

[CJ Vogel]

Toughness, intention, attention to detail, intensity. I mean all of these things should go hand in hand. And Jeff, I have to agree with you, right? You don't play for somebody like Will Muschamp and not be fired up every Saturday. He's the one in your locker room, he's the one in your position room. He's the one in your huddle calling plays, getting you amped up to take the field. I think that takes a lot of, or at least ignites a lot of energy for your team to take the field. And just like I think, well, to Shard choice was a guy that did that for the offense a few years ago, not having him on the sideline. I'm not saying that everybody on that offensive side of the ball is very even keel, but I do think that when you have one or two coaches that says, hey, I'm gonna break my face open, headbutting you on your face mask to get you amped up, that goes a long way. Javar Jaluk is a guy just like that. So adding both of those guys I think is very important because I, I do think and Jeff, you've heard me talk about this all afternoon. I've been theorizing and sitting here watching back tape from yet from last year and obviously hearing what some of these other players that other schools have to say and they just sit here and say physicality is a non negotiable right? Having that intention, intensity is a non negotiable. And I said well that doesn't sound like what we watched a year ago with Texas football. Football, there's a lot of things that Texas was but I don't know if those are the two things that you would sit here and say of the biggest descriptors of this team, intensity and physicality. How far down the list are they? I would argue pretty far. And that's got to change this year.

[Jeff Howe]

Well and that that brings up another topic that we talked a lot about last year and it's been one of the topic deserves of the off season. I think toughness, intensity. C.J. that shows up in your discipline, that shows up in penalties. Because teams that are physical, teams that play with great intent, teams that play with intensity are usually teams that are pretty disciplined which means they're going to be pretty buttoned up when it comes to penalties and they usually don't beat themselves. I mean how many times do we see and I'm not saying that every team Nick Saban ever coached was just one of those penalty free teams in the country because we saw, especially later in his tenure saw some of those Alabama teams deal with penalties.

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[Jeff Howe]

I would not use the words undisciplined to describe a really good Nick Saban football team. I would not use the word term undisciplined to describe what we've seen from a Kirby Smart team or some of the really good Ohio State teams that we've seen. Those dabbles, 20 Clemson teams definitely wouldn't would say undisciplined, would not describe them. So that to me, C.J. that's where all that ties in together. Like it's intent, it's intensity, it's, it's toughness. I, I think all l together and look, take this however you want, but to your point, with the Georgia player saying, hey, that's just who Coach Smart is. He demand like the, the physicality and the toughness that we've seen from Georgia, it starts with KY Smart and trickles down. That's something Sark's got to figure out. He's got to stay true to himself, C.J. but he's got to figure out how does he get that out of this place. I'll borrow a Sarkism. You get what you emphasize. Is he emphasizing it the right way, though, to get it to come through as consistently as he needs it to?

[CJ Vogel]

That that's my big question going into year six now, right? Is that something? And again, you know, I think Texas has really strong defensive lines, even some pretty strong offensive lines during his tenure. But again, going back to those number one adjectives of describing the overall play, would those words be physical? Would that physicality aspect be what is the most noticeable aspect about this team? I don't know. And we had a great question, Jeff, over on the board, and I'd like to get your thoughts on it because I know that we talked about it briefly on the walk over. Is Sark being a quarterback from the west coast something that prevents them from really digging deep into being that physically demanding coach? And I don't know if I ever really looked at it like that, and I don't know if I totally agree with it, but I do see the points, right? And I especially look at who have been the most successful coaches recently in college football. And there's five I wanted to look at Right. Saban, Smart, Signetti, all three I think fit obviously in that Saban tree. Very much demanding, very much needing physicality, intensity. That intention to detail is paramount. To succeed or even just see the field on all three programs. I think Jim Harbaugh is another guy that when you look at his run at Michigan you sit here and you say okay, the trenches are a non negotiable. You have to win on that offensive side of the ball. They are going to run the football to win games more than anything. But the one outlier that I look at and I say, you know what? I. I don't know if physicality is kind of that prerequisite for success. It might just be, hey we have more talent and everything else. Everybody else is Ryan Day. And if Sark can find a way to balance that overall success with the offense, with the defense, the overall talent and maximize it without demanding that level of physicality, then I think he could have a run like Brian Day where he towards the back of the year pieces things together. Now if that's the case, Will Muschamp cannot miss. Right. He has to be a Jim Knowles and a Kelly for Ryan Day. This year for Steve Sarkeesian.

[Jeff Howe]

That that's 100, that's 100% where I'm at with this team. Like if the must champ hire does what it's supposed to do, this team will get to where we expect them to be. Like if, if Texas falls short of, falls short of expectations it's not going to be because they lack talent. And I own ref share brought up the other coach that I was thinking about. When you talk about physicality and probably because he's an ex offensive lineman man, say what you want about his game management and I haven't been a fan of the way Mario Crystal balls called games and managed games and he's cost Miami some games in his tenure. You can use tough and physical to describe the way Miami plays football. I mean it is, it wouldn't be

[CJ Vogel]

smart smart probably the best way.

[Jeff Howe]

Yeah, I heard, you know I heard Bill. It was the cow. The Dallas Cowboys did an in house documentary a few years ago and I haven't been able to find it on, you know out in the online because you got to really hunt for it. But it was basically chronicling Bill Parcel's first year as the Cowboys head coach and he said something so this, and this was just a couple of years ago. He said I don't care what era of football you're in, if you can run the football really well, you can stop the run and you don't beat yourself. I don't care what area. And that wins a lot of football games. And at the end of the day that's what we're talking about. Like I, I think it goes back to. And when I talk about being physical, to me it's consistent physicality. Like we talk about Texas in 2024. I wouldn't call that a soft football team. But you didn't have it consistently enough. Like that's the point. I want to keep hammering home. And that's what, that's what we're talking about. It can't just be. Yeah, we run for, you know, 300ish yards against a and M in the regular season finale and then against Clemson in a playoff game. But against Ohio State in the Cotton bowl or Georgia in the SEC championship game, you're against Arizona State in the Peach bowl. Your run game was non existent. So that it BO that's what it boils down to. That's, that's where I go with the cj. It's not about being hot in the soft or not. Yeah, you just, I just need, I just need you to play. I just need you to play at A level and we can get into this too. I think for Sark, we, we've heard him, you know the reasons him reason why he changed coordinators, why he made the change from PK to Will Muschamp. Well, if it's going to do everything, if you're going to get the full benefits of it, if Will Muschamp higher hits, we better see a much better, much different, more consistently physical product on offense because there's no reason for you to be lacking on offense now if Sark doesn't have to worry about anything going on defensively like hiring much Champ took care of all those issues. There is no excuse now.

[CJ Vogel]

Yeah, yeah, I completely agree. And really what started all of this draft is Georgia was up today and folks remember exactly what Kirby Smart had to say after beating Texas in Athens this year saying hey, if you're looking for nil, you don't come here because we're here to play physical, physical smash mouth football. And we got a quote today from Drew Bobo that really inspired this. And I know we have an ad read coming up on the back end of this, but I did want to get to this because this is exactly what I'm hoping Texas starts to adopt. He said, I think Coach Smart harps on that physicality and it does it so much that it trickles down to everyone else. As an offensive lineman, you don't want to be known as soft. We want to be known as one of the most physical units and I think that is one of our goals, is physicality. Now, Jeff, we just talked about that offensive line, but we've also talked about where it needs to stem from. Who's the guy that's going to be in charge, not just for the discipline, making sure that you know your X's and O's, but that you have that intensity and that really that fire to sit there and say that guy across the line of scrimmage is not going to beat me. Regardless of who he is, regardless of the jersey that he wears, regardless of how talented or how many years of football he has played, I'm going to go be the one that in inflicts the pain, if you will. Kirby Smart and Georgia do that. Texas and Steve Sarkeesian, that needs to be what happens this year. There's no more excuses for why this team can't gain a yard against Oklahoma four straight times on the one yard line or why they go to Ohio State in the Cotton bowl to tie the game up and can't figure out a way to do that even in a jumbo set. So that's really where all of this started today. And I hope, and I think that's going to be what I end up asking him on Thursday is do you think this is a team that can do that? Because we don't know.

[Jeff Howe]

Yeah, well, no, we don't know. We won't know until, I mean, look, game two, we're going to find out and for better or worse, that's going to set the tone for that. We'll get answers on that. That's going to set the tone for what we can expect the rest of the way. Based on what Texas does against Ohio State, third time may be a charm for Steve Sarkeesian against Ryan Day. We'll see. But we'll get back to it here in just a minute. But right now I want to thank a few of our sponsors here on the Tuesday night live stream here at on Texas Football. First off, shout out to our lead sponsor. That's Andy Ludicky and my perfect franchise. Are you stuck on the corporate rat race with two weeks of PTO with no control over the money you can make or your schedule in general? That's the case. Call Andy. He'll take you through a process to help you find a business that'll fit your skill sets and your financial goals. Franchise ownership isn't for everyone but if you have a desire to take control of your destiny, call Andy or email him at [e-mail] Again, that's andy franchise.net. we want to thank Andy Ludicky and my perfect franchise for being a sponsor here on the Tuesday night live stream. And a big shout out to Mark Saunders, longtime sponsor here on the channel of the recruiting breakdown. And he sponsored the Tuesday night live stream. When it comes to protecting all your stuff, wouldn't it be great to have one place that protects it all? Here's some good news. Texas Allstate agent Mark Saunders is the only insurance agent you need. Everything from your home car and boat to your motorcycle, RV and atv. If you're looking for someone local to the Austin Round Rock area, give Mark a call at 512-218-8571. Are you in good hands? With more than 35 years of experience, you'll be in good hands with Texas alum Mark Saunders. Again. Give Mark's office a call at 512-218-857-1512, 2188. 571. And a big shout out to Mark Saunders, not just for sponsoring the recruiting breakdown here on the channel, but for sponsoring the Tuesday night live stream here at home Texas football. Cj, I'm gonna let you take this away. Do we have some activity going on by the pool here at OTF House?

[CJ Vogel]

There may be some nefarious activities, yes. Real quick. Let's get it. Hey, Bobby. What's going on?

[Jeff Howe]

You know, there's been one school that's been showing me the most attention, and I've got to say, I really appreciate that very much. And that's who I'm going to commit to. Now you say cj. Let's get it.

[Hank]

You ready?

[Jeff Howe]

Are you going in, too? I am.

[Hank]

Let's go.

[Jeff Howe]

Here we go. Bobby's okay, cj, Give us a thumbs up if you're good.

[CJ Vogel]

What a bad idea that was.

[Jeff Howe]

Yeah, dude, I could have told you that was a terrible idea. Did someone at least bring you a towel?

[CJ Vogel]

You got.

[Jeff Howe]

I'll fill in here. Yeah. Hey, D.J.

[Hank]

needs a towel.

[Jeff Howe]

Hey. I didn't look. I'm just. I just get messages. I try not to get distracted during the show. I just get messages. And I saw, you know, my chat here. It's. It's like going crazy. Like, what is going on? I just knew Hank's going outside and something's happening. I don't know what, but. Yeah. So we just got. We got double in the works. For a few minutes.

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[Jeff Howe]

Now I'm gonna. I'll give Bobby. I'll give Bobby like a good like 8.5 on that. But like I don't. CJ didn't do like a full on cannibal. Now in his defense, he's wearing like CJ's. Yeah, but it was kind of more of like a sideways. I don't know what you want to call it. Yeah, hey, A for effort but hey, shout out to Bobby because we had some people asking Bobby asking earlier when the live stream started. Is Bobby asleep? It does. Hank, point that give. Let everybody take a look at Bobby. Does Bobby Burton look like he's asleep right now? That is not a man that's asleep. So shout out to Bobby.

[Hank]

Well, she's busy.

[Jeff Howe]

Cisco is asking. Cisco's asking about. I'm sorry, Cisco lost your question. Yeah, says Jeff. Is CJ on the bottom bunk? I got here late so I got here today. I don't have a sleeping assignment right now. So there will be somebody on the OTF staff. I think that Ends up sleeping on a top bunk. Now, I have said for safety reasons, for multiple parties, that should probably not be me, but we'll. We'll get it started. CJ may end up. CJ may end up having to sleep on top of him, but he should get, you know, whatever the big bed in the house for. For jumping into the pool. Yeah. That was the Dan Lanning cannonballs of Rex St. Charles.

[Hank]

We tried to replicate it with the let's get it and the oh. Didn't see there but let.

[Jeff Howe]

Richard Wesley. Marco Mendez asked, where is Jerry? I. I'll be honest, Hank, unless he's shown up since we started, I do not know Jerry Hamilton's whereabouts right now.

[Hank]

Jerry. Jerry's in Tampa.

[Jeff Howe]

I don't.

[CJ Vogel]

Jerry.

[Jeff Howe]

Yeah, he sold the media mixer.

[Hank]

I don't know. I didn't see him there either, so didn't seem there.

[Jeff Howe]

And you know what? Quite frankly, it's one of those deals hang. I don't want to know. Just as long as Jerry's up and ready to go for coffee. As long as he's up and ready to go for coffee and football in the morning. That's all I need to know. I don't need to know anything else. So. Yeah. So, Hank, we're talking about physicality. Let's go ahead and I want to get to some questions. Let's go. Erica asked. He said, is this Tampa trip also a team building exercise for otf? I don't know. Team building by Bobby and CJ Jumping in the pool together. I guess. I guess that's team building enough. Daniel says coach vegetables, which I'll be honest, I'll just call them Venables so you guys can keep up with the vegetables thing that teach their own. Seems very excited about Whitten in the Oklahoma tight end room. Can y' all educate us on who is in Oklahoma's tight end room? Hey, I think beyond. We were talking about this before we went on the air kind of as a staff, we were just chopping it up and bouncing ideas off each other and just talking about things we've heard the last couple of days, man, everybody, even non Texas, non OU media are excited about Oklahoma's prospects. Like this defensive front, I think is. Is legit. It has been the last few years. My question is, tight end room aside, like with Oklahoma, I think it comes down to two things. One, how much better is that offensive line, which they were. It was a young group last year, but it was young and not very good when it needed to be. And does Jama Tear take care of the football when it matters like that to me is going to really determine. We talk about oh, you's got that formula. They just ball control, special teams play really good defense. If you get into a shootout like last year with Ole Miss, you may be in trouble. But they've got a formula. I think it's maybe they got a little bit more margin for error than they had last year, but there's a formula oh you can use to win games, Hank. I just. We'll see how far that takes them.

[Hank]

Yeah, it's interesting. I go back to just the, how brutal their schedule is to start the season and I was talking to CJ about this yesterday and you know, you, you defense is one thing. They're going to stay in games with defense. CJ's whole point is, you know, a race to 21 points is, you know, with Oklahoma games that's going to, you know, put you in good position if you can get there first. But I, I just think about Oklahoma teams of the past and just the playmakers, they have its skill positions and I'm not trying to knock like Parker Livingston or the wide receivers. They added their running backs. They, I just don't think they, I, I think there's a drop off in skill talent even from last year with the, with the receivers. It's just, I don't know who the go to guys are. I think it's going to require John Matier playing, having to play too much hero ball, which in turn, you know, can he stay healthy through the whole course of the season? Can he be accurate? Can you know, he do everything that's needed to be done? And I know he's comfortable with Ben Arbuckle and he's in that. He's, this is his fourth year in that system so you know, you would imagine he could. But I just struggle to see OU having the offensive firepower needed to through the course of this schedule to, you know. Yeah, not, not hit a few bumps along the way.

[Jeff Howe]

Yeah. If you look at OU's tight end room, they did bring in some, some fresh blood from the transfer portal. Hayden Hansen from Colorado, Rocky Beers from Colorado State. Hank seems to be the guy that they're really excited about, but yeah, I mean you didn't. Jared Cannock was a tremendous athlete. I just, it never really took off for him at tight end like I think they hoped it would, but we'll see what happens. But I, you know, I'm, I'm less concerned about how good ohu's tight end room Is to your point, Hank, if they, if they're not markedly better at wide receiver and running back, I really, you could have, you know, you can go back to the 80s and transport Keith Jackson on this Oklahoma team and it's not going to matter if you're not markedly better running back and wide receiver. Yeah, exactly.

[Hank]

In the offensive line, you know, I think there's only room for like, you know those are some high upside guys with Fasusi and, and Ryan Fogy, like they, they've got guys and you know, you can only. It's only up from where they were. But I, yeah, I just struggle to see these guys having much success if they get into a shootout sort of situation where they need to start scoring at will. I just, it's going to put a lot of pressure on the defense if they, if they can't, if they can't get it going. And maybe, I mean the, the, the receiver they added from Syracuse, his name's escaping right now. They've got some guys.

[Jeff Howe]

I just, if Parker Livingston is your

[Hank]

one, I don't know if that's enough to, to, you know, win this league.

[Jeff Howe]

Yeah, I, I, like I said I think it's the margin for error last year for them was razor thin. I think it is just that offensive line is going to be better. Just how much better are they. And I think you know, a healthier material will, will help too. And Il Ripster said Jermaine Gresham was their best tight end ever. I mean you go back like, you gotta go back like Keith Jackson was really good way back in the day for oh you. Mark Andrews was a really, really good tight ends and all pro in the NFL. So. Oh, you had some good tight ends. But again like when Mark Andrews is on offense with like CD Lamb and Rodney Anderson at the time, like when he's like one of like seven legit options you've got, it's a totally different story talking about the tight end. But hey, I want to get back to this. Yes, OU sucks. He pose this question to CJ But CJ if you're just joining us, App is toweling off after jumping into the pool. He and Bobby decided to go Dan Lanning style into the pool here at the OTF house. Yes. Oh, you suck. Says Georgia media guy says he's not sure Texas can win a phone booth fight with Georgia or SEC rivals. What say you? Look, I'm. Texas is one of the last two games. They won the last two games against Oklahoma and Texas A and M. So I, I don't I don't think it's like an across the board thing, but like Georgia specifically. Hank, if we're just talking about just Georgia. Yeah, that's a fair take because Texas hasn't done it against Georgia. Like the running game in the three games against Georgia has been non existent to the point last year. Hank, you go back to the game in Athens, we've talked about it a lot. There was a point like in the second half of the game, maybe late in the first half, Sark just stopped trying to run the ball. Like they weren't even the illusion of trying to run the football. They just ditched it. Like weren't even trying to run it. And that's making yourself one dimensional against the Kirby smart defense. Like you're asking for a tough day at the office. So right now look, there's a, like can Texas win a phone booth fight with Georgia? Are they. Yes, Texas is capable of doing that. Will they though? Until they do, I don't have the confidence to say they will.

[Hank]

Yeah, I mean I just go back to your personnel. I mean Texas couldn't run the ball really well against many teams last year except for for Oklahoma and Texas A and M. They, they weren't, they just couldn't find success on the ground. They go out, they address the running back room. They get some rogue grater type guys on the offensive line. Whether it's, you know, Lawrence Seymour even or you know, the, the additions they made there, you know, obviously we'll see on Cole Hudson, I don't know how much you want to, you factor him into that. They, they address the needs on defense. They went out and added physicality. Whether you know, Havoc players or Sheen Biles I think is probably going to be one of the more physical linebackers or kind of hit you in the mouth linebackers in the sec they're bringing back, you know, pretty strong, you know, a pretty strong defensive front. And then we'll must champ obviously too. I mean he's going to challenge these guys, I think. You know, I, I think he's going to be a pretty good pre game speech motivator type guy in terms of hey, this is, this is what these guys were saying about you guys last year. Is that, is that okay with you? Is that acceptable to you? So you know he's gonna get some of that rah rah going and hype those guys up. But I mean we've seen Texas play Georgia in, in tough, in tough games. Obviously, you know, the SEC championship two years ago. Yeah, we know they can do it is, you know, and I think they've set themselves up personnel wise, both players and coaches to, to get back to that in 2026.

[Jeff Howe]

It's can you do it in those games when you have to do it the short yardage goal line that those type of situations. And taking it a step further, like Texas has to play better situational football. Like you can go to the losses against Georgia and losses against Ohio State where you know, into the half, in the half defense against Ohio State, you in the combo, you gave up that long touchdown to Trayvon Henderson. Otherwise you pretty much controlled that first half as well as you could have. Sorry, didn't mean to bring that up but just saying like situational football's got to be much better. But Hank, we're, I want to get to Justin super chat here in a second, but this, this is kind of the, the other way to maybe look at the Texas offense this year. Rex St. Charles asked to say was 2019 LSU physical and discipline? Were they just an incredibly talented offense? Now what I don't know if I would like. Physical is not the first word that comes. They definitely weren't soft. Like physical is not the first word that comes to mind. But Hank, incredibly talented on offense. Like we're talking about maybe the single greatest season a college football team has ever had on offense. Like, if you're that historically good, that's going to cover up a ton of deficiencies.

[Hank]

Yeah, I would mean just probably incredibly talented, incredibly efficient. I mean, Joe Burrow didn't make mistakes with the football. Again, someone just commented two hall of Fame wide receivers. Probably right. Yeah, we had a great tight end with Thaddeus Moss. I'm sorry, I was thinking of Irvine. Different. Yeah, Urban Smith, also from Louisiana. But yeah, that, that, that was just kind of a magical year. Everything clicked right to where, you know, it even covered up. Edwards are on being your head coach. The fact that, you know, you can, you can, you know, they had the, the right guys calling the plays and whatnot. But yeah, I wouldn't describe that team as. It's silly. You know, they had a lot of NFL guys on that defense too, but

[Jeff Howe]

they gave up some points in some

[Hank]

of those games too.

[Jeff Howe]

Like they, they didn't.

[Hank]

I mean they, once they got in their groove and in the back half, that took care of business.

[Jeff Howe]

But I mean even against Texas, you

[Hank]

know, they, they got into a shootout with Bama. They couldn't stop devonte Smith to save. To save their life in that game either. And they, they luckily, you know, Just they outlasted Alabama and injured to a Tonga Valoa. So but yeah, that, that LSU team, a blend of talent, just efficiency and just, you know, it just goes to show when you have an experienced quarterback that's good at taking care of the ball and you know, making all the, the right throws and decisions goes a long way. And that's, you know, where Texas maybe has an advantage this year against a

[Jeff Howe]

bunch of these teams with, with Arch

[Hank]

coming back for, for another year.

[Jeff Howe]

Yeah. Now you also have to look at the art when we talk about Texas and Nil. Richard says Coleman is Chase, Wingo is Jefferson, Bishop is Marshall. I, I, I would love for that to happen, but that's something you can't plan on happening or, or think is going to happen. Expect to happen. Daniel says replicating Joe Burrow. He was, it was and still is insane. Yeah, Joe Burrow was just unconscious playing quarterback that year. And like I said, we're talking about a historically great offense but similar to Texas. Like if you want to say could Texas in 2026 be LSU in 2019? Well, Texas has some really good pieces. Like let's not kid ourselves. I mean Arch Manning is a, a guy that's capable of going 1:1 overall. Trevor Goosby is a first round talent at tackle. Talk about Cam Coleman at wide receiver. Ryan Wingo is, for whatever it's worth, has been mocked late first round in some of these mock drafts. Even with the talents you got a running back. But you know, at the end of the day the, you've got to look at the art, the trajectory that LSU offense went on. Like the LSU team that Texas played that September. It's not the same LSU team I saw at the end of the year. And here point Hank, that LSU team and maybe for Texas, I don't know, maybe it would be like maybe the OU game or it's some, maybe it's, maybe it's the Florida game given what happened in Gainesville last year. But I think once LSU beat Alabama that year, I think at that point they felt like they, they probably felt like they could line up against an NFL team and go have success. Like, like their confidence was through the roof at that point. So you look at them, they destroyed Georgia in the SEC championship game, beat Oklahoma like they stole something in the Peach Bowl.

[Hank]

He had seven touchdown passes in that first half against maybe six or seven in that first half against Oklahoma.

[Jeff Howe]

And that, that title game against Clemson was not as close as the final score, even the final score did. Again, the final score wasn't really that close. So yeah, can Texas do that? But that's something we can't expect Texas to do or plan on Texas doing. We'll get back to it here in just a second. Hank, thanks for sitting in. Well, I guess CJ's still getting towed off. I don't know.

[Hank]

Back in.

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[Jeff Howe]

That was fast. That was a quick wardrobe change.

[CJ Vogel]

Yeah, it was. I hope we have a dryer here, Jeff, because I don't think we checked to see if we did beforehand.

[Jeff Howe]

There's a laundry room. I can't confirm which appliances are in there, but there is a laundry room of sorts. Shout out to CJ for jumping in the pool. We'll. We've got that clip in perpetuity, so definitely one we'll share with the OTF fam. We're having fun here at OTF House, but we're also having fun SEC media days. I was at thsca convention last couple days. And that leads us C.J. to Justin Yarbrough. Super chat, Justin, thank you as always for the super chat. So, Jeff, how is Jabar Jaluke's clinic? Thoughts on his coaching style? Really excited about that hire cj. That bleeds into what we've been talking about with physicality and everything else. I love Jabar. You know, he was talking about basically going through kind of how he coaches the run game at Texas from a back standpoint, and he was talking about inside and outside zone and basically like, what's. What you're reading and what the reads for the backs are. And he showed a clip from spring practice. It's Michael Terry running the football. And he reads it right, but, you know, the linebacker scraped. I. I apologize. I forget which linebacker it was, but the linebacker scrapes it, ends up in the hole. Michael Terry read it right, but the linebacker's been a good play. And C.J. we're talking about toughness. Jabar. Luke said, hey, sometimes you just gotta go be tougher than that guy. Like, sometimes you just gotta go try to pop that guy in the chin. I love Justin. One thing I loved about the clinic. Cj, you and I are talking about this today. Every analogy Jabar Jaluk makes to playing running back, it's either a fist fight or a boxing match. Like, it's all about, you're gonna punch, you're gonna jab, you're gonna go for the chin, whatever. Like, it's just. And Jabarja Luke said that. He said, that's the only way I know. It's just how to do it as tough as possible. He was talking about, we're going to be the most violent runners you've ever seen. He said, hey, if you get one thing, another thing I like too. He was talking about arm tackles. The guys aren't going to tackle us with one. Army said, if a guy tackles you with one arm, you're not going to play at the University of Texas. And you'll be standing over by me on the sideline. I'll get you a ball cap on a clipboard, too. So it's. It's just that toughness that again. And granted, Trey Wisner was banged up last year, but you overhaul the running back room in terms of personnel, they're overhauling it with a mindset, too.

[CJ Vogel]

They absolutely are. And again, it goes back to just how much do you want it? And I think you're going to see that with Jabar Deluque this year for all the reasons you just mentioned there, Jeff. And it starts with your position room. Right. It was one of those things, I think Brennan Marion said it best when it came to blocking on the perimeter. It's how much or how well you block or the effort that you show on the perimeter outside, that basically exemplifies how much you love your teammates. And when you word it like that or when you phrase it like that kind of person puts into perspective, oh, I, I should probably try a little bit more, right, to show that my. Show my teammates that I care for them.

[Jeff Howe]

Right.

[CJ Vogel]

To show that I'm putting my all into this. And for Jabar Jalu to emphasize this is a street fight, this is a, a war between you and the guy that is trying to bring you down. That's something that Jeff, I think Shark might have taken for granted earlier in his tenure at Texas when Bijon and Roshan were guys that you could just hand the rock to, yeah, they'd figure it out. But now that you have someone in that room emphasizing, hey, I don't care how talented you are, because you're facing that type of talent at a similar level in the sec, you need to be the one that does that, goes the extra mile, that does the extra work to gain that yard. That's something that I am very excited to see how it plays out this fall.

[Jeff Howe]

Yeah, I, I'll go back to my high school football days from ancient times, and I had a. At a running back who coincidentally was my cousin, and he was. I was fond of complaining about how things aren't blocked properly. It wasn't blocked this way. And finally coach told him, hey, some point, you got to go be an athlete. It's not going to be blocked right? Every play, you got to go be an athlete and go make a play. And I think that's where you are at, the running back. It's not going to be blocked like we talked about it. C.J. some of the best running backs we've seen in Texas, like Cedric Benson's the first one that comes to mind for me that man, if it's, if it's third and two, everybody in, everybody in the house, all 11 guys on defense, everybody on that opposing sideline, everybody knows 32 is getting the ball. Yet you have a hundred percent confidence that he's going to find a way to get you those two yards. You need to move the chains like that. And granted, Cedric Vincent is one of the most productive running backs in the history of college football. But that's what we're talking about, cj. Like, dude, do you have that wherewithal to, hey, when it gets tough, can you, can you get behind your pads? Can you get downhill? And can you go attack the line of scrimmage and get those 2,3 1 yards to convert those short yardage situations, Keep the chains.

[CJ Vogel]

Well, I know that we're kind of setting this up to, to be interesting, right? You mentioned Cedric, you mentioned, I mean, I go to Jamal Charles, Deontay Foreman, we mentioned him in his physicality. Roshan, like those guys are all, you know, in line for why Texas is so special as rbu. But let's not forget Hollywood smothers, Raleigh Brown, first team all conference running backs from where they came from. Derek Cooper, a former five star. Michael Terry, a lot of talent. Again, another very highly heralded recruit coming in for the position, James Simon. I think we saw some positive moments from him this year. So it's not like this group can't take that leap or what we're even asking is outrageous for them to become guys in this conversation for four or five years from now. We look back and say, hey man, Bijan, Jamal, Cedric, Deontay, Raleigh, Hollywood, that tandem like those guys have the talent, Jeff. But how badly do you want it? And how much can Jabar, Jaluke push these guys ultimately is going to make or break or at least, you know, help elevate this room to its ultimate ceiling.

[Jeff Howe]

Hey, we're, we're 46 days away from kickoff as of today. You, you and Hank and I were talking about it on our walk from the, from the hotel, from the venue to the media party. 46 Underrated number in Texas football history. Like you got Dusty Renfro, Malik Jefferson, Joseph osai. But another 46 Roosevelt leaks kind of gets lost in that running back tradition of Texas. But my dad left this mortal earth believing with every fiber of his being that Earl Campbell, Chris Gilbert, all the great running backs that Texas ever had. He thought Roosevelt Leaks was the most talented running back he ever saw play at Texas So that's the kind of stuff you're talking about, though. Those guys can, can you get behind your pads when you do? Those guys could. I don't know if Nil and Rev share. CJ was in the room with me in Houston yesterday, but he points this out and we can talk about this. He said, love The Derek Cooper 60 yard touchdown run right up the middle. Jabarji Jaluke had a lot of, a lot of spring cut ups, as is. When you're giving a clinic talk, you're gonna have cut ups so you can show the drills translate. And just a little inside zone to the left. C.J. cooper reads it and then boom, hits the hole, accelerates out of it and yeah, and he finishes the drill because Jaluk wants his guys. He's like, finish the drill. He's like, how are you gonna be comfortable scoring in a game if you don't practice, if you don't do it in practice during a live period? So Derek Cooper burned off on the defense, but yeah, those are the kinds of plays, C.J. that I see him. And it's hard for me to, I know I've just talked about Sark and Mindset and everything else, but. And you see that it's, it's hard to kind of temper my expectations for a freshman running back. There's been seen some good ones at Texas, C.J. but Derek Cooper's got a chance to be. I don't know, I want to say he's just as good as any of. He's got a chance to make an impact.

[CJ Vogel]

He's got a real chance. And I think that's all you could ask for again, considering the room that he's walking into with the talent up at the top. But I posted on, on Texas football last weekend on Friday for the, the Happy Friday post that I do each weekend, just kind of accumulating some nuggets from. Throughout the week of talking to sources, you know, around the team, around the sec. And one conversation really stuck out to me. It was every week, basically, someone new watches Derek Cooper run for the first time and just goes, whoa, he's faster than I thought. And you know, I don't, I don't know if that's a surprise. I mean, he came in with round 107 speed in the 100 meter. So verifiably very quick, very fast straightaway speed. But then you see him move in workouts, then you see him cut, then you see him change direction, and every so often someone else will just go, hey, that's a Little faster than what I thought. So, Jeff, again, I think it's lofty to sit here and say, hey, he's running for a thousand yards. But at the end of the day, I, I, I would be shocked if he didn't have at least a sizable role in this offense, given how Texas coach, players, sources, whatever you want to talk about, have talked about him in the spring and summer, building up for, for what we're expecting in his freshman season.

[Jeff Howe]

And we've seen it the last few years. I mean, 23, 24 were playoff runs where your running back group at the end of the year looked a lot different than it did at the start of the year.

[CJ Vogel]

Great point.

[Jeff Howe]

2023 was the Jonathan Brooks injury. 24. You had CJ Baxter injured in the preseason. Christian Clark, we didn't see him at all because he had the Achilles injury in camp. Trey Weiser was a thousand man. That, that would have been, I don't know what's crazier. Like, if you'd have told me in 2024, like, hey, Gunner Helm's gonna catch, you know, what is it, 40 plus balls, 50 plus balls? That or Trey Wiser rush for a thousand yards. I'm like, both of them sound pretty crazy to me, given the track records, but Texas ended up doing both. Yes. You're gonna need all these backs to get you through a season. No, no, hey, C.J. i don't, I don't mean to put you on the spot. Is, is Jaden Ball with the Florida group? Because tomorrow we get Ole Miss Florida some other. Because Jaden Ball with the Florida group. That's one thing. If I get a chance to ask him tomorrow, I want to ask him about Jabar Jaluk and just what he brings to the table as a running backs coach. Really setting the mindset and the attitude on that side of the ball. Because we've heard Sark, Sark has talked about it. Like, one of the first things Jabar Jalup did when he got on the staff at Texas was straight up told everybody in the room, hey, when we were at Florida, we didn't think you guys could beat us because we didn't think you were physical enough. We thought we could go out and be more physical than you like that. To me, cj, that if that's not like to sound barbaric, but, man, that's, that's like attacking your manhood. You know, that's personal.

[CJ Vogel]

No, I, I 100 agree. I 100 agree. It's like playing basketball and pointing to, you know, shooting guard or small forward saying, hey, we're going to switch on a U and pick on you every single time that we have the possession of the basketball.

[Jeff Howe]

Right.

[CJ Vogel]

And look, I, I hate to say it, but I went through, you know, kind of the grind that was watching the all 22 once more of that Texas Florida game last week. And, and Jeff, let's not forget, for two and a half quarters, Florida didn't have really any explosive plays. That first full possession took off about eight minutes. I think their longest play was about 12 yards. And they would just play after play, game three, game five, game two, first down. And they would do that for eight full minutes. And that really set the tone for the first three or four possessions. And then by then, it was 17 7. It's like sitting around saying, what's going on? So I'm with you on that. I do think again, I think Jabar Jalute could go a long way for what this room could do, and I think a lot of it is just a physicality. Do you want this? Do you care that this guy in front of you is preventing you from what you want, what the team want, what your school wants? And ultimately, again, to emphasize what you want, that's got to be the biggest piece of it.

[Jeff Howe]

Rick St. Charles says, I don't get asking another team's player about a former coach. I don't think you'll get a truthful answer. I mean, you don't know unless you ask the coach question. I mean, I, I, I've, I've done this exercise over the years, many times. C.J. sometimes you get a pretty revealing answer, like you got with Raylan Wilson today about Will Muschamp. Yeah, sometimes, sometimes you get a no comment. Sometimes you get an answer that you hear and you're like, all right, that was kind of a just a can, you know, answer just to kind of generic whatever, but don't know if you don't ask the question. Yeah. So we get tomorrow is Florida Ole Miss. Who else is tomorrow? Mississippi State? No, Mississippi State's on. Aggies are tomorrow. Here. I'll get, I'll give you an interesting Texas A M nugget. And by the way, sorry, I lost my train of thought there for a second, but with Texas A M, I think it's really interesting. Mike Elko, I don't know if it's, I'm not going to call it reluctance or he's trying to, like, he knows how big the Texas game is right to that fan base. And he's lost his first two I just think it's, it's interesting that when he's talked about. He did this at the thsea convention, his press conference there, talked about the tough games A M had last year. Like, all right, well, that's tough. King to Miami, didn't play well for a half against South Carolina, didn't play well for a quarter against lsu. Didn't mention Texas, didn't mention the game they lost in Austin. And when he's been asked about Texas, he's kind of, kind of danced around it a little bit coming off of here where they went to playoff. C.J. i just think it's interesting, Mike Elko maybe feeling the heat a little bit about the last two results against Texas. I don't think that shocks anybody, but how he's handled it so far is interesting.

[CJ Vogel]

Well, I, I agree. And I wish we got to hear, you know, Brent Venables in a very similar setting, right. Talking to the high school coaches in this state. I know it's not apples to apples, but at some point you have to beat Texas. And Jeff, you, You, Rod, Marcus, Bobby, Jerry, I mean, I've heard all the stories of what it was like for Mac very early in that tenure, not being able to beat Stoops in Oklahoma.

[Jeff Howe]

Right.

[CJ Vogel]

And so to know going into a season that this was basically, if not a national championship, at least win this game, that's where things are right now for A M. Because, look, you're going back home. You're hosting Texas for the second time in three years at home. If you can't beat Texas with what you expect to be, a very talented defense, a senior quarterback, one that you expect to make a jump, and a group of wide receivers that is, on paper, very talented. If you can't beat Texas, then now, Jeff, when will you

[Jeff Howe]

it. It's like, I, I don't want to be like a wet blanket here, but at some point, at some point, Texas is going to lose to, to Oklahoma, and at some point they're going to lose to A M, right? It's gonna happen at some point. I, I feel, and I don't know, man, I could be reading it wrong. I feel like the loss to A M is more likely to come before another loss, though. Oh, I just feel like, because I just. It's that style OU plays with. I do trust John Matier more than I trust Marcel Reed, for whatever that's worth. But I just. I just think Texas is a better football team than, than Oklahoma, even though OU is better. I think Texas is really good. I think Texas is better than Oklahoma. And plus, I'm ready for Texas to go on one of these runs against Oklahoma. Like, you look at this series, it's a series of runs. I'm ready for Texas CJ to go in. Hey, go in five out of seven. Go in seven out of nine, whatever it is, go rattle off one like, oh, you's done. But A M is interesting, essentially. Yeah, yeah. But A M is interesting, too, because I think A M. A M to me is closer. Like, man, if they can just. If Marcel Reed just stops turning the ball over in those games, they've been good enough along both lines of scrimmage to hang with Texas the last two years. Like they're. And I think Elco Elko's a coach that values the trenches. So I just. I don't know. I just feel like not saying Texas will lose either one this year. I'm not predicting that, but I just feel like A M is better positioned if some. If one of those two is going to be Texas this year. And maybe it's because the games in College Station, maybe that's because I view it that way. I just feel like A M is better positioned to do that than Oklahoma is.

[CJ Vogel]

See, I. That's interesting and I disagree. I do think Oklahoma is a better program, and I know folks in the chat are going to have a different. They're going to take this one way. I think the. When you go ceiling for ceiling offense and defense between Oklahoma and A M, I think the highest ceiling of all four of those facets of the ball is going to be Oklahoma's defense. I think that right now is going to be the one that you look at and say it's the most nationally elite. Regardless of style, regardless of who they play, they will carry the water for the offense. A M has been very good. Now they're going to be without a Cassius Howell, Shemar Stewart, Shemar Turner.

[Jeff Howe]

Right.

[CJ Vogel]

Who is going to be their money getting pass rusher on the edge that Michael's had every year and without that level of defense. And I know that you said for multiple years who might beat Texas first or what, who's the biggest threat? I. I look at Oklahoma as a bigger threat this year and I look at him as a bigger threat further on because I think Bo Bentley at the quarterback position is the most talented prospect on either team. We talked about Brady Hart for A M coming in from or flipping late from Michigan in that 2025 class. I believe he's not Bo Bentley for me. Additionally, this year for A M Marcus, Marcel reed against top 35 defenses, which include Notre Dame, LSU, Texas, Missouri, Auburn and Miami. So some great teams in there, some not so great teams in there. Top 35 is six of the seven or 13 games that they played. Six touchdowns, eight interceptions, 59 completion, four extra fumbles in there. He just doesn't elevate his play when they absolutely need him to. He's not the engine of that offense. And that's why this year, specifically for all you can say about John Matiere and why he won't be the reason why Oklahoma succeeds, I know at least he's going to put up a fight when it comes to playing his best football against big time opponents.

[Jeff Howe]

Yeah, I just, to me, I feel like I'm not even gonna say the ceiling is higher because I don't know how high your ceiling is with Marcel Reed as your quarterback, but not high. I, I just feel like, I don't know. I just, like I said. Oh, it's just that formula OU has for winning games. I just think it leaves you too small of a margin for error where. Yeah, if you, if you end up giving up a non offensive touchdown or you know, Texas goes on a run or whatever, if you get down 14 points, 10, 14 points, like I don't like your chances of coming back. Fair, fair, like. And I, I just feel like, I just feel like A M could sustain a run. A run Texas would have a game a little bit better than Oklahoma could. But that's just, I don't know, that's just how I see it. I'm not saying I'm right, that's just kind of how I see it.

[CJ Vogel]

I think either way, if you're a Texas fan, you have to feel at least good that of the three teams, the biggest X Factor catalyst amongst all of them is the Texas quarterback. Right. It is Arch Manning. In comparison to who the biggest playmaker, X factor game breaker that we talk about pretty often that resides in Austin. And when you list the 10 top or the top 10amongst all three teams, Texas probably has five or six.

[Jeff Howe]

Yeah, no, no question. I mean I think if you, if you're looking at those three quarterbacks and you don't just without hesitation take Arch first, then you're either a hater or I would seriously question your football knowledge if you would just take, if you would find a reason to, to take Jama Tear or Marcel Reed over Arch at this point. Hey, one more time, let's go ahead and thank our lead sponsor for the Tuesday night live stream and give A shout out to Andy Ludicky and my perfect franchise. Do you want control over your own destiny? If you do, maybe franchise ownership is right for you. If you think that's the case, call Andy Ludici. He's an expert at placing people in the right franchise, one that's going to fit your strengths and your finances. Franchise ownership isn't for everyone. But if you've got a desire to take control of your destiny, call Andy. Or email him at [e-mail] and that's Andy@myperfectfranchise dot net and a shout out to Andy Ludicky and my perfect franchise response to the Tuesday night live stream here on Texas Football. All right, let's go ahead. And we got a super chat to get to CJ before we get out of here. Brandon Morgan. Brandon, thank you. As always, the super chat. So, Jeff, give me a breakdown. What do you like to eat overall? Pasta salad is my all time favorite. Cj, we had, we had some pretty good food at the media party. Those Cuban sandwiches and some empanadas, I think, too.

[CJ Vogel]

Yeah, yeah, empanadas. Little shrimp pieces. It was a good time.

[Jeff Howe]

I didn't get into the shrimp. You and Hank had the shrimp. I didn't get into the shrimp. But, you know, hey, Brandon, I, I, I, I like to eat. I mean, it kind of doesn't matter as long I'm not a big fan of this. I'm not a big fan of spicy, so, like, oh, I'll do some Cajun. I love Tex Mex, but if you get, if it gets on the real spicy side, I'm out. So as long as, as long as no spice is nice as far as I'm concerned. All right, that is gonna do it for the Tuesday night live stream. Hey, thanks everybody for hanging out with us while we're here at the OTF house. Cj, you are completely dried off at this point. Yes, yes.

[CJ Vogel]

Still the mosquitoes are, they're coming at me.

[Jeff Howe]

We got to get CJ back inside. We gotta, we gotta make sure he's ready to go for the next two days. We got two more days here in Tampa, so we gotta get CJ back inside. So, yes. Thanks, everybody for hanging out in the chat tonight. Chat was lively. Thank you as always for the super, super chats. Shout out to our sponsors. Our lead sponsor tonight was Andy Ludicky and my perfect franchise. Shout out to Mark Saunders, Zen AI and Prize Fix for sponsoring the show. If we didn't get to your question, you can Direct us the guys, bright and early tomorrow morning at coffee and football. CJ and I will be back tomorrow night for the normally scheduled Wednesday night live stream. That'll be cj, myself and lifetime Longhorn Marcus Myers on the Wednesday live stream. We got tomorrow again. We've got Ole Miss, we got Florida, we got A M coming up tomorrow, Texas on Thursday. So one more day of waiting. And then we, the Longhorns on Thursday, Thursday afternoon, Texas, the last team to go here at SEC media days, save Texas and LSU for last. Just so everybody, hey, if you want the, if you want Arch, you want Lane Kiffin, you gotta stay here the whole time. So that's what we're doing here with otf. So, hey, thanks again. Thanks, everybody, for tuning in, hanging out with us on the Tuesday live stream. So for cj, for producer Matt behind the scenes, doing a great job that he does here at On Texas Football, the MVP at On Texas Football. And for. And yes, hashtag for Craig, as always, and for the entire On Texas Football staff, I'm Jeff Howe. Thank you so much for watching and listening. And until next time, welcome.

[CJ Vogel]

Yeah, thanks, Sandman, for Let me use your backyard. By the way, my little Michael Jackson.