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Episode Title: Oklahoma Sends Texas A Warning? SEC Media Days Intel + Sark’s Biggest Fix
Date: July 21, 2026
Host: Rod Babers
Guests: CJ Vogel (at SEC Media Days), Coach Bob Shipley, Stevie Lee

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Episode Overview

This episode centers around analysis and insights from SEC Media Days, with a particular focus on Texas Longhorns and their chief rival, Oklahoma. The discussion covers Oklahoma’s surprising offensive line depth, “culture talk” ahead of the Red River Rivalry, questions for Texas head coach Steve Sarkisian, and in-depth concerns about Texas’s own offensive and defensive lines. There’s also candid discussion about red zone and short-yardage struggles, as well as behind-the-scenes context about returning players, the transfer portal, and NCAA eligibility quirks.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Oklahoma’s Offensive Line Depth: A Warning for Texas?

(02:09–07:16)

• CJ’s “Alarm Bell” Insight:

  • Brent Venables, Oklahoma’s head coach, claimed at SEC Media Days that he believes they have nine offensive linemen they could "play winning football with."
    • “You hear about it all the time, you'd like to be in that 7, 8 range … but nine is a lot.” — CJ Vogel, [02:41]
  • Context: Oklahoma’s O-Line struggled the past two seasons (29 sacks allowed last year, ranked 88th), so this is a notable turnaround if accurate.

• Cautious Skepticism:

  • Both Babers and Coach Shipley agree that, while it’s hard to fully buy coach-speak in July, this level of stated depth is surprising.
    • “If his assessment is accurate, then Oklahoma is going to be much better than I thought they were going to be.” — Coach Shipley, [05:21]
  • Discussion about how the transfer portal makes building OL depth harder, so “nine deep” is rare in modern CFB.

• Moneyball Approach:

  • Babers and Vogel note that Venables and Oklahoma’s staff have taken a “Moneyball,” value-based approach to talent. This further spotlights the claim as notable in the current landscape.
    • “They’ve moneyballed it. So to say that in the Moneyball era is also wild, man.” — Rod Babers, [09:18]

2. Oklahoma’s Running Back Questions & Threat Assessment

(09:26–10:33)

• Oklahoma’s O-line improvement only matters if RBs are up to par. Vogel is unconvinced:
  • “With Oklahoma, I’m not sold on the running back position… It doesn’t matter what the race is, you’re not going to win [without top backs].” — CJ Vogel, [10:33]

3. Downplaying the Red River Game: Culture, Messaging, and Real Talk

(10:45–14:39)

• Taylor Wine’s Comments:

  • Oklahoma defender Taylor Wine said they’d treat Texas like "every other game," causing a minor uproar among Longhorn fans.
    • [Clip, 13:54] “It’s not a sense of urgency. They're just one of the games that we play this week. They're no different than any other opponent.”

• Coach Bob Shipley Responds:

  • “You better not approach it like it’s ever any other game… It’s like no other game.” — Shipley, [11:19]
  • Babers recalls OU was the national standard during his playing years; for Texas, “it was circled, discussed … your rival is the best team in college football.” — [11:51]

• CJ’s Locker Room Perspective:

  • “We made the playoff a year ago. Texas did not. But at some point, that game still has to mean something. It can’t just be another one.” — CJ Vogel, [13:35]

4. SEC Notes: Missouri’s Ahmad Hardy Update

(17:48–19:05)

• CJ relays that Missouri defender Ahmad Hardy has been cleared for practice and is likely to feature later in the season, possibly in time for the Texas-Mizzou game.
  • “He said in five to eight weeks is kind of the timeline to get pads on and get rolling.” — CJ Vogel, [18:27]

5. The Cole Hudson Eligibility Saga: OL Stability or Chaos?

(24:28–26:07; 45:11–49:22)

• Texas OL Cole Hudson has filed an age-based eligibility lawsuit to return after a brief NFL stint.
• Guests are torn; Stevie Lee and Coach Shipley argue it could set a precedent that causes NCAA roster chaos.
  • “If he gets approved to come back, then everybody’s going to declare and then say, never mind.” — Stevie Lee, [26:07]
  • “If you let that floodgate open, then everybody’s gonna go. Because now … you can make money in college.” — Shipley, [48:52]
• Ultimately, all agree that for Texas, more OL depth is a net positive, even if Hudson “was part of the problem last year.” — Shipley, [46:47]

6. QUESTIONS FOR SARK: The True Fixes for 2026

a. Physicality in the Trenches

(23:06–24:28)

• “This is a line of scrimmage league … I have pause with the interior defensive line and I have pause with a little bit of the offensive line.” — Stevie Lee, [23:06]

b. Red Zone Struggles & Short Yardage Inconsistency

(26:07–28:45; 27:08–30:47)

• “Have we worked on plays beyond [the] 20 yard line in red zone? We gotta punch this thing in the red zone, guys.” — Stevie Lee, [26:07]
• “He’s not elite [in red zone or 3rd down] at Texas, or he hasn’t proven to be elite there without Bijan and Rojo.” — Rod Babers, [28:45]
• “People got Texas winning the national championship if we do better in the red zone.” — Stevie Lee, [30:47]
• Coach Shipley predicts a non-answer from Sark but admits “he’s obviously aware of it.” [27:55]

c. Physicality — Coaching or Culture?

(30:47–34:36)

• Questions posed about whether physicality issues on both sides of the line are about players, coaches, or culture — and whether offseason changes (including Mustchamp’s addition) can deliver results.
  • “What have you done this offseason to be a more physical football team?” — CJ Vogel, [30:47]
  • “Sark has tried to be more physical… That’s why he’s committed to the run game, even sometimes stubbornly.” — Babers, [33:16]

7. Michael Terry’s Transformation: RB Depth and Style

(40:02–42:54)

• Terry has bulked up to ~235 lbs, focusing on playing more like Deontay Foreman (balance, power, YAC).
  • “He’s put on a lot of weight… Now, with that weight, it doesn’t mean anything if you don’t run physically with it.” — CJ, [40:31]
  • “He watched a little bit of Deontay Foreman’s tape … it’s that ability to get hit once, brush it off, and then keep going.” — CJ, [42:17]

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• CJ Vogel on "Nine Deep" O-Line:
  “Nine, nine’s a different level. Right. So I don’t know what we would have classified Texas as a year ago when it came to the two deep … Texas was five deep and five deep only, basically.” — [06:04]

• Coach Shipley on Red River Rivalry:
  “You can’t … Can you approach it like it’s just another game? … I’ve been on the sidelines for four or five of those games … it ain’t like any other game. It’s like no other game.” — [11:19]

• Stevie Lee on Sark’s Key Question:
  “I would love to ask Axar about that, about his line of scrimmage, because I remember I told y’all that’s going to be the stickler for our team this year … I have pause with the interior defensive line and I have paused with a little bit of the offensive line. And this is a line of scrimmage league.” — [23:06]

• Rod Babers on Red Zone/Third Down Decline:
  “You had an elite third down offense at Bama … you haven’t even been top 30 since 2021 … two of the most critical areas of football, Sark’s not elite there at Texas, or he hasn’t proven to be elite there without Bijan and Rojo.” — [28:45]

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Major Segments & Timestamps

• Oklahoma O-Line/Media Days initial takeaways: 02:09–10:33
• Taylor Wine’s Red River Comments and Rivalry Discussion: 10:33–14:39
• Missouri’s Ahmad Hardy Injury Update: 17:48–19:05
• Cole Hudson Eligibility Lawsuit and Implications: 24:28–26:07; 45:11–49:22
• Key Questions for Sarkisian — Physicality & Red Zone: 23:06–34:36
• Michael Terry RB Room & Player Development: 40:02–42:54

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Tone & Language Highlights

• Mix of candid, humorous banter and deep-dive football analysis typical of close-knit former players and coaches.
• No-nonsense feedback about the state of the program, with praise and critique delivered from an insider’s view (“I don't like agreeing with Sooners, but …”, “If his assessment is accurate…”, “He was part of the problem last year.”).
• Casual, conversational, and Texas-proud with playful jabs about rivalries, sponsors, and even which grocery store reigns supreme in Texas.

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Summary Takeaways for Non-Listeners

• Oklahoma’s claim of offensive line depth is seen as both a potential warning and a likely bit of offseason “sunshine pumping,” yet it would be program-altering if true.
• The rivalry with Oklahoma is still “circled” and fiery, regardless of any player’s media-day downplaying.
• For Texas, critical 2026 questions are red zone efficiency, short-yardage and overall physical dominance—especially as they enter an SEC defined by battle in the trenches.
• Concerns persist about whether the roster—and Sark’s play-calling—are finally up to national-title contending standards without transcendent individual talents (Bijan/Roschon).
• NCAA eligibility quirks (like the Cole Hudson case) may reshape the way players and programs approach roster management.
• The episode is dense with inside jokes, hard truths, and fan-driven Q&A that make it an authentic piece of Longhorn community media.

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Transcript

[A]

Foreign. Hey, what's up, folks? Welcome back to On Texas football. I'm Lifetime Longhorn, Ride Babers. Pleased to be joined by another Lifetime Longhorn, my man CJ Vogel, who's there at SEC media days. Boots on the ground, which we'll talk a lot about today. Also, we got our own coach from a high school football coach, Coach Bob Shipley, but also was on staff University of Texas for multiple head football coaches. You can catch his work these days@shipley ranches.com see him representing right there. Boom.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

What's going on, Coach? How you doing?

[B]

All good, man. All good. Got to go down to coaching school, see some good buddies, guys. All good? Yeah.

[A]

Oh, yeah. We got to get coaches. I didn't know you was down at coaching school, coach. We got to get your thoughts, Dan, about that because we had some guys down there, too. Jeff Howe was down there. My man Jordan Scruggs made it down there, too. So the OTF was well represented as they are at SEC media day. Shout out to our friends over at Bond Lane, Prize picks, Hargrove Roofing, also Zen AI. We'll tell you more about all of our sponsors coming up. A little bit later on, we'll start talking about the teams who were represented at SEC media days today. We'll get into Oklahoma first, but whatever you guys want to talk about, throw it out there. Questions, comments, we'll try to address as many of them as we can. Super chats always jump to the front of the line. You can interrupt the show anytime. Just throw out a super chat. All right, cj, you were there. Oh, happy belated birthday to Jackson. It was a few days ago. I didn't know that, coach.

[B]

Yeah, July 17th.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

How did. How old did he turn, if you don't mind me asking?

[B]

Let's see, he was born in 1992, so that would make him.

[A]

30, 36. 34.

[B]

Okay, 34.

[A]

34. All right. Nice. All right. I like it. Yeah, There you go. I'm getting old, man. That's crazy. That makes it means I'm getting old, too.

[B]

Crazy.

[A]

All right, well, happy belated birthday to Jackson. All right, cj, you were there. SSC media days today. Got a chance to put out a lot of great nuggets, by the way. Go to owentexasfootball.com and you can get caught up with everything, all the goings on from SEC media days with the OTF team. CJ was there, though. And cj, I want to start talking about Oklahoma first. What was the kind of the nugget that stood out to you? Gathering intel, if you will, on Oklahoma. A couple of things I want to ask you about. What stood out to you first and foremost?

[C]

Well, first off, Marco, I completely agree. I wish I was out with. On a yacht with Jerry. We'd be having a heck of a time. But we are at. What is it? Casa. OTF is what we're calling it down here in Tampa. We're having a good time. So glad to bringing you everything that we can from. From SEC media days. Oklahoma went first today. It was Oklahoma, Tennessee, Kentucky and Missouri. I'm not sure if that's the most exciting group of four SEC schools, but that was who we started with today at media days. The thing that really stood out to me was Venables talking about his offensive line, saying he felt like there were nine offensive linemen that he felt Oklahoma could play winning football with. And you know, you hear about it all the time. You'd like to be in that 7, 8 range in case you go down with injury or things just don't work out with the original starting five like what we saw a year ago. But nine is a lot, right? Especially considering what we saw a year ago with Oklahoma, where that offensive line was not very good. Their bottom five and a lot of rushing metrics, 29 sacks allowed, ranked 88th in the country, which 29th is actually much improved from a year ago when they allowed or two years ago when they allowed 50. So the offensive line for two years have not been great. So to hear that that's kind of the strength or at least something that they feel comfortable with at the moment. That, to me, it was one of those kind of alarm bells that you hear throughout the offseason. Oh, okay. If. If that's a way that they feel good about their football team, I might need to reassess strengths, weaknesses, what to project them as. But I mean, they're just like Texas, just like lsu, just like Alabama. If you give them a run game and take the pressure off of the quarterback from needing to put on the cape every single down and play, I think that that could go a long way for them.

[A]

Well, also coach the complimentary football element, right? You give them a run game with a Venables defense, too, you can control the game. That would give Oklahoma the ability to control the game in most of the games they play. Maybe not that one. They gotta play Georgia early on, but in most of the games they play, that would give them the ability to control the game. That's a dangerous combination. I did not. I'M with tj. That's something I didn't expect. I expected to be able to make plays because John Mateer can make plays. He can put on the cape at times. As CJ Said, he can play hero ball, but that was part of the problem last year. Too much hero ball for him. You can give him a run game, then allow, you know, John Matiere to have to just make plays in critical moments rather than having to put the offense on his shoulders and be the identity of the run game. Yeah, I'll admit that's a scary proposition.

[B]

Yeah, I got, I got a couple of thoughts on that. First of all, if his assessment is accurate, then Oklahoma is going to be much better than I thought they were going to be.

[C]

I agree.

[B]

And second, secondly, the second thing is, on the other side, what do you expect him to say? What, What? I mean, what did our coaches say last year at this time about our offensive line? They didn't say we suck. I mean, you can't say that as a head coach. You know, you. You're hoping for the best. But that was one of the most surprising things that I read about today, was that assessment. And not just like seven, but as you said, nine.

[C]

Nine. So, coach, I was going to ask you that because I'm with you. You know, it's SEC media days. You're the head coach of a program. You're there to pump some sunshine into what you've done all off season, get your fans excited, make a headline or two, you know, stir the pot. But, you know, you could have just said, hey, we feel good, right? We feel improved from a year ago, to be that specific. I think that's when I kind of. Hank was sitting to my right and I kind of looked at him, I was like, you heard that too, right? Like nine. Nine, nine's a different level. Right. So I don't know what we would have classified Texas as a year ago when it came to the two deep. I think, you know, you look at it and you're like, oh, Daniel Cruz, Nick Kibble. Like you feel pretty good about what these guys could do. But ultimately we were wrong. Right. Texas was five deep and five deep only, basically. So that's interesting, especially now that you're not having to start true freshmen on the offensive line for Oklahoma. So again, I won't go too much further into it, but to hear that from Venables and to know that, okay, if they're. They are improved in that run game with older players now in the trenches, that's something that I Think should at least be circled and say, okay, we'll come back to this down the road.

[A]

No, I'm with you because I'm with. I'm trying to think the last time we would have even said Texas was nine deep on an O line like when. I mean I was just so him to say that. Is he saying that he has nine starting caliber offensive linemen that he believes can start? Is that basically he said winning can.

[B]

That he can win with.

[A]

They have winning.

[B]

So define winning. Is that like, you know, winning? 75. 6. I mean, you know what is winning?

[C]

Yeah, a little 96 game.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You got a good kicker. Just get to the 40, right?

[A]

Yeah, maybe it is. Someone says 20. I don't know. 2005. 06 is what Sandman said. Maybe. Yeah. Maybe around that time you got during Texas's heyday, like the. The prime of max run, the apex, the zenith of it. Yeah, maybe you were. Because I gotta go find how many guys they put in the league during that time. But you probably got to the point where you believed you probably had 7, 8, 9 starting caliber offensive linemen. But it's been a while. But I would say these days it's tougher to do that. That's the whole point is the con. Remember the. The conversation. This also even Sark talked about it that nobody can kind of. Everybody's having offensive line issues with their O line. Right. With the modern age of college football because you can't really stockpile a ton of talent. You're going to develop old linemen. Those guys want to leave. They're not playing and you're trying to develop them and you know, through their. To your forum system. They don't want to stay around for the forms and they're trying to get paid. They're trying to play. And so it's kind of. It's thrown all the O line development out of whack in college football. And there's been multiple complaints about it from. From coaches. And for him to say that in this era of college football that is quite impressive. And considering the unique approach to talent acquisition that Jim Nagy and. And Right. And that Venables have adopted. We. They basically go on the value system.

[C]

Yep. They moneyballed it.

[A]

Yeah, they've moneyballed it. So to say that in the Moneyball era is also wild, man, that's a wild.

[C]

Now now the thing I will add and Katie 35, I am the best mentions it. Who are the running backs? Right. That's great. You know, to have an offensive line that you feel like could be deep to feel like could be an impactful unit on the field. But you also need some running backs. You also need a running game. And that's something that. With Oklahoma, I'm not sold on the running back position by itself. Right. You know, there's some talent there, but I think they returned basically everybody from a year ago without DeMarco Murray, their position coach. So maybe that's the change, because that unit last year, and I know the offensive line was young, it was inexperienced, they couldn't really get a push a whole lot. But that offensive line or that running game a year ago was not good in that unit, just as Texas saw a year ago. When you don't have the horses in the stable, it doesn't matter what the race is, you're not going to win. And that's the difference this year is Texas thinks that they do have horses in the stable that can go the distance. And with Oklahoma not having made that change through the portal, I don't know if I sit here and say the running game, even with an improved offensive line, is going to be super threatening because of the lack of game changers at the running back position.

[A]

No, that's good. It's a good conversation also. And I think. C.J. you had this note, too. Not sure what the Oklahoma player was. Oh, Taylor. Taylor. Taylor one. Taylor win.

[C]

Yeah. Taylor one.

[A]

Taylor one. The. The edge defender from Oklahoma. Apparently some Longhorn fans are upset with his comments that Texas OU is basically. I don't want to misquote the man, but I'll paraphrase. It's basically kind of just any. They're going to treat it like they treat every other game. Yeah, that's basically what he said. And some of my one fans took offense to this. Coach, you're a coach. What's your thoughts about it? Because that's. That seems to me that's coming from Venables.

[B]

You better not approach it like it's ever any other game. Rod, you're the only one of us three that played there.

[A]

I mean, you.

[B]

You can't. Can you approach it like it's just another game?

[A]

No, I don't think so. I don't. No.

[B]

I mean, I've been on the sidelines for four or five of those games, you know, and was in the press box in one game. But it ain't. It ain't like any other game. It's like no other game.

[A]

Exactly.

[C]

But, Rod, do you admit that in the locker room, it's like this is like this is what we've been waiting for. This is kind of like, you know, we. We've had this circled.

[A]

We had to because Oklahoma won the national title in 2000. So in addition to being a rival, they. They were also at times the standard of college football. They had become quickly the standard. So that was, for us, it was, hey, that's it. Your rival is the best team in college football. You got to do something about it. So for us, it was circled and talked about, discussed, and, you know, we couldn't beat them at the time. Yeah, it was talked about and discussed. So I. It's. So Texas isn't the standard right now in college football. You know, that's that Georgia and Ohio State winning and now Indiana winning national titles. But the hope is that this year they will be. But. But for Oklahoma, it's weird that they would have that mentality when they've been on the losing side of that more oftentimes than not. In the C era, you would think it'd been circled for them, but maybe that's just Life. In the SEC, we were in a different. In the Big 12. In the Big 12, you only had two big dogs for the most part. Yes. K State come in every now and then. And later on, it changed after Texas as Matt kind of lost his grip on, you know, the dominance of the, of the Big 12. But it's. I think ultimately, if it was. If that was me, I would have it circled.

[C]

That that's exactly where I was going to go with it. Rod is, you know, I think it's fine to have the approach of, hey, it's just another game. I don't, I don't really take offense to that, but at the same time, it, you know that that is what every fan and either fan base has circled. Right. That early weekend in October, you meet in Dallas to play Texas, you meet in Dallas to meet to play Oklahoma. If you're Oklahoma, you have to sit there and say, hey, we haven't scored a touchdown in three. I lost four Red river shootouts.

[A]

Right.

[C]

This game has to mean something for us. We made the playoff a year ago. Texas did not. But at some point, that game still has to mean something. It can't just be another one. So we do have the clip. Matthew, if you don't mind bringing that up. This is Taylor Wine talking about it this, this afternoon over Texas.

[A]

I know you guys play a lot of great opponents, but what's kind of the sense of urgency to finally get

[C]

a win over Texas? It's not a sense of Urgency. They're just one of the games that

[A]

we play this week.

[C]

They're no different than any other opponent.

[A]

They are very, very talented. They are very, very well coached.

[C]

That's what we look forward to.

[A]

It was,

[C]

It was respectful, but at the same time it's like, show me something that you care. Show me something that that game still matters to you and your locker room. Because what we've seen on the field over the last three out of the last four years, it's not been competitive. That's got to mean something to you if you get your teeth kicked in like that. I'd like to see that it mattered.

[A]

Yeah, that was like I said, it feels like the other guys in the locker room got to be saying it or that's got to be coming from the coaches. To feel that way about that game when you've got. And I've gotten my butt kicked in that game, by the way. So I'm not speaking of someone who hasn't experienced, oh, I've been on the Old Testament, old biblical style butt whipping side of that Texas OU game. And he asked too. And I wonder, man, that I would treat it differently if I was him. And yeah. So that's interesting. Okay, before we get to some questions, we got some questions and we got some other nuggets to get to from SEC media days. Let's thank a couple of our sponsors really quickly. Let's thank our friends over at Prize Picks. Let's thank our friends at Prize Picks. We appreciate them and all of their support. And folks, if you're not picking with Prize Picks, I'm telling you, you're doing yourself a disservice. It is one of the best ways to improve your sports viewing experience. All right. It's just going to make it that much better. That's what I love about Prize Picks. And you'll love it, too. The summer sports calendar is loaded, it's packed. The World cup just wrapped up. It's still got baseball rolling. WNBA is an action. Whatever you're into. Prize picks gives you a lot of options, right? And it's really, really. You're picking more or less on player stats, player projections, and it's simple, it doesn't take a lot of time and it's really, really fun. You build your lineup, submit it, and then you're locked in. Right now it's available in all 50 states, which is really cool, including the great state of Texas. You can download the app, use the code HMA PLAY$5 and they'll give you $50 in lineups instantly. That's the code. HMA5 gets you 50. And as always, play smart, play responsibly, Play with our friends over at Prize Picks. While we thank the sponsors, let's thank our friends at Von Lane as well. If you are traveling for any reason for business, to go visit family, think about our friends over at Von Lane. A lot of you are traveling coming up for the season, traveling to Austin for those home games from Houston and from Dallas. And you don't want to worry about all the traffic and worry about parking. Think about Von Lane, folks. I've taken it several times myself. To Houston, to Dallas, to Fort Worth. I love it, I'm a big fan of it. And you will be as well as first class travel experience on the ground. You board in minutes at a private hotel terminal. You have complimentary WI fi which has been upgraded with Starlink Internet. Also you have hotel, I mean snacks, beverages, hot towel service on every trip. They even have complimentary meals on certain departures as well. Right now Von Lane is serving Austin, Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Fort Worth, Plano, the Woodlands as well Nashville, Memphis, Atlanta and Knoxville. If you're traveling with the team, you can charter your own Von Lane coach and design the trip and pick up the drop off. That's vonlane.com v o n l a n e.com and if it's your first time riding, enter OTF 26 at checkout to receive 20 off your first ride with Von Lane. That's Von Lane, your private jet on wils. All right, thank you very much to our friends over at Von Lane. All right, let's get back to it. Oh, we got a super chat from Brandon. Thank you, Brandon. OTF Family 1. Appreciate you. It says, wow, Rod, I ain't old yet. I was born in 1992. I'm 34. Calm November, man, that makes me just feel old.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Because that's all it does. But I appreciate the super chat that. But yeah, it's just making me feel old, man. No doubt about it. But I'm telling you, next time. When's your birthday, Brandon? Let me know, man. Let me know. All right. November. What? It might do something special for you. Appreciate that. All right, let's get, get back to some of the nuggets from SEC media days. I thought the Eli Drinkowitz stuff was pretty interesting because I'm a little concerned about, I want to know about that Ahmad Hardy timeline. He did say that he's been cleared, correct CJ to play. I mean, so it's a practice I should say yes.

[C]

Cleared to get back into the. To the work. He said in five to eight weeks is kind of the timeline to get pads on and get rolling. So, look, he might not be fully ready for the beginning of the season, but right now he is participating in practice. He's essentially a full go until pads come on and start hitting.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, that's good. So he met. He's gonna play this season, then it sounds like that he's gonna play a couple of games. Well, at some point. That's why the timeline may work out where he's playing for the Texas game. That's why it matters to me, because that game is a little bit later on.

[C]

Later November.

[A]

Yeah. And I feel like if you're gonna, you know, put up a timeline and try to, you know, have a goal to come back, that might be the one. So just to keep an eye out for that for. For Longhorn fans, a lot of folks out there want to know about John Mateer. Did you. Did you ask a gentleman to your question? Did you ask John Material question, C.J.

[C]

i did. I did ask him a question. It was about the offensive line. I wanted to build off of what Venable said. I asked him about Ryan Fogy, who's expected to be the true sophomore right guard, and Michael Fazuzi, who obviously had a stellar freshman campaign. He had a funny answer. It was probably taken out of context a little bit, but. No, nothing. I don't know, man. I just got. We need him to graduate. We need him to move on. I need that. I need this personally, selfishly. I need him gone.

[A]

Yeah, no, I get you. People took it far. They took it. They took it and ran with it. Cj, You. You were just. You were just a big fan of him as a player, and they took it and ran with it. But I get it. It's going now. Yeah. You ain't gonna be able to live it out. You. Depending on how the game goes this season, all that, and who you pick in that game. I mean, I assume you're picking Texas, but, man, if you pick. If you pick Oklahoma in that game, cj, You'll. You never live it down.

[C]

Oh, I'm not. I can't. I can't.

[A]

You can't do it. Yeah. You can't do it. You can't ever do it. Yeah. All right. Thank you for that. Oh, I also. I see.

[C]

And we got Stevie Lee in the house.

[A]

My man Stevie Lee's here. Oh, oh, Bring on the man. Stevie Lee then. I just saw. There you go. Yeah, I need to wait no more. What's going on, Stevie? How you doing, brother?

[C]

Good to hear from.

[D]

What's happening, guys?

[B]

What's up?

[A]

What's up, Stevie? Nothing much, man. CJ's at SEC Media Days, brother.

[D]

I see that.

[C]

Fighting off mosquitoes left and right in this a month.

[D]

Well, how is it down in Tampa, man? How's the weather?

[C]

Hey, it was raining a little bit today, but it feels good. It feels good. So I'm enjoying not the 110 degrees right now.

[D]

I get it, man. Sorry. My dog's going crazy right now.

[B]

I say who let the dogs out?

[D]

Yeah, well, it's 101 here today, man. So you escape 100 to go to 100.

[C]

So we'll take it. There's a breeze. Oh, I got to see boats today. That's cool.

[A]

Have you been to Tampa before, cj?

[C]

First. First time. So Tampa, as long as it's not Orlando. Keep me away from Orlando. That place stinks.

[A]

What you got against Orlando?

[C]

Oh, everything. The list is too long. The list is too long.

[A]

Okay. Why would he want to know something that tells me it starts with a woman or somehow? So I'm not gonna go there with you, but I, I, I lived in Tampa for a little while because I played for the Bucks for a little bit. Tampa's known for, for one thing, really? In NFL circles, it's known for it. I want to get into it. I want to keep, I want to keep the show at a. To be. Yeah. Keep it classy here, but just throwing it out there. I think Stevie knows what I'm talking about. You see the smile, coaches? I think coach is probably like, oh, I think he's got a lot of them. And apparently, like, it's, yeah, it's like just. I think it's the, the number of them that is, like, unique, apparently. That's what I've been told.

[B]

Hebs out there.

[A]

Oh, butts.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah, they got them. Yeah, there you go. That's.

[B]

That's a good.

[A]

There you go, Coach. Everybody wishes they had them Hevs. Okay, let me ask you this, Stevie, since we got you, what would you, what would you ask Sark at SEC meeting days? What do you wanna. What could it possibly be exactly? What. What would you ask if you got a chance to ask himself?

[D]

Well, I actually saw that. Is it Brent Venables talk about that? This. This is a, this is a line of scrimmage league, right? I, I would love to ask Axar about that, about his line of scrimmage, because I remember I told y' all that's, that's going to be the, the stickler for our team this year on the offense and defense. That's. I feel really good about the receivers. I feel really good about the quarterback, the running back, linebackers and DBs. I have pause with the interior defensive line and I have paused with a little bit of the offensive line. And this is a line of scrimmage league. I mean, I gotta agree with him. I don't, I don't like agreeing with Sooners, but that, that's just one part I gotta agree with is that. So I want to ask, I would ask Sark about how did they sure up their line in the off season from what we've seen over the spring and over this summer. What, what, what do they feel they can do in the sec? Controlling the line of scrimmage? Because we're going to need that sticking

[C]

on that, Stevie, because I completely agree for Texas. Defensively you need to be able to stop the run. Offensively you need to get that one yard right. You can look at it basically every single year there's been a big moment, a big game where Texas has needed 1 yard or needed a first down or needed something with push and physicality that they just couldn't get. Over the weekend, Bobby Burton and our team here broke the news that Cole Hudson was filing an age based eligibility lawsuit for a potential return to Texas. Right. He had declared for the NFL draft. He went undrafted. He spent what, maybe a cup of coffee with the Browns, maybe the cow. I mean like he was in the league, he was done with college, but now he's potentially back. If he is deemed eligible for this 2026 season, Stevie, does that change your outlook on what that might mean for this starting five unit with Hudson potentially back in it?

[D]

Yes, it does. If it's any other school, I don't know how I feel about it, but it's the University of Texas. So I wanted to come back. I don't know.

[A]

But,

[D]

but you know, it will change things. I think that he can make a, make a difference on the offensive line. And, and you know, that's, that's a, that's a little tough subject to me because you know, when you declare, you declare for me. That's just gonna be honest out there. It's just, yeah, you declare, you declare and that, that's the risk you run. And now if he gets, you know, approved to come back, then everybody's going to declare and then say, never mind, you know what I mean?

[C]

Right.

[D]

So that's hard for me. But this is the University of Texas and we do, you know, I like, you know, some of the things that we do. So. The other thing though I was going to say about Sark is what we could ask and cj, you can ask is I think that his, his biggest question mark for him and his, his game is have we worked on plays beyond or the 20 yard line in red zone. We gotta punch this thing in the, in the red zone, guys. Come on. So like what, what you see differently, what do you see doing differently to get the ball into the red zones once you pass that 20 yard line? And that might be a tough question to ask him in front of everybody. Cj, he might cuss you out but Stevie asked that question he wanted me to ask you is what are your playing plans for playing beyond the 20 yard line?

[C]

Look, I don't need start cussing me out until November at least, right? So I, I'm with you though because you know, Rod, you've said it for years. When you get to that 5, 10 yard line and you're in the red area for early on in the tenure, just hand the ball to Bijan Robinson right handed to Roshan. They'll figure it out for you this year. I hope. And coach, correct me if I'm wrong here, but you have some talent, you have some height at wide receiver. We start with Adnai Mitchell towards the back end of that season in 20, 23. Maybe it's just as simple as hey Cam Coleman, go be better than that corner next to you, right? So I hope that's part of it. Coach Ron, I'd love to get your thoughts because Stevie, I think you're dead on. You know, the red zone needs to be really good this year for Texas regardless of how they get it done to be effective.

[B]

Well, first of all I'd like to say he, he obviously knows that and if you ask him that question, we can, we can all agree that you're going to get a cookie cutter coach talk answer, you know, we've got to be better at executing, got to be better coming off the ball, you know, we've got to find yards, you know, whatever.

[C]

And that starts with me.

[B]

Same old, same old stuff, you know, it's, you're not going to get a straight answer out of that. Like most hard questions that it's the elephant in the room. Everybody knows it but you know, we don't really want to talk about it too much. He's very aware of that situation, very obviously aware of it and he's not going to give you his secret for this season. What that plan is, other than coach talk.

[A]

It is really interesting though because he had it at Alabama, right? He was elite. They had in 2020. I mean they were eighth in red zone scoring percentage. I think they were fifth in touchdown precision red zone this last year there at Bam, he comes to Texas and then yeah, you got Bijan and Rojo. So yeah, of course you're going to be elite in the red zone. Nobody can stop those guys. And they got that violent twitch that you need. Both of those guys had that. And then he hasn't been back to an elite red zone offense. Top 10 red zone offense since then. And you've been 90th, 101st, 61st it's really. And then third down is very similar. You, you had an elite third down offense at Bama. You were top five in 2019, top five in 2020. And you haven't even been top 30 since 2021. And you've been 73rd, I think 70th, 42nd, 74th, like two of the most critical areas of football. Sark's not elite there at Texas or he hasn't proven to be elite there without Bijan and Rojo. And so I'm with Stevie. I also think this is the year for him to prove that. All right. Now he can also be in those critical areas in elite, play caller and play designer because we haven't. We know he's got it in him because like I said, I just gave it to you. But we haven't seen it really at Texas since Bijan and RoJo.

[D]

So CJ take those numbers that Rod just wrote off, throw them in his face and he won't give you the coaches speak answer. He have to. He'll have to dig deep to find that. And coach you, you build him out with that coach answer that you that he's going to give us. But you're right, he. He's very media trained. He's going to do the coaching speak. But that is a big question mark for everybody. I'm hearing that's question mark for everybody. People got Texas winning the national championship if we do better in the red zone.

[C]

That look, I think it might just be as simple as that. Can you move the football right now it looks like Texas will be. They did at times last year very successfully. But again, three points won't win you a lot of football games when they really matter. And I think defensively Texas has the ability to hold teams to a lot of three point Trips instead of seven. So to be able to separate early, sustain leads and build on that would be key. Stevie. I was going to go this route with Sark on Thursday. Very similar, I think, in a way that they're cousins of the same question. But, you know, what have you done this offseason to be a more physical football team? Is that personnel? Is that coach? I mean, how do you instill a team that is more physical than what we've seen on both sides of the ball? I don't know it, but I hope Sark does.

[D]

That's a good question. But, cj Was our physicality a big

[C]

problem last year on the offensive line? I think so.

[D]

On offensive line, you think so.

[C]

Okay, I think so.

[B]

And.

[C]

And, hey, early on, you saw something in that defensive line that made you say, I don't know if I believe in them fully. So I don't know if that's physical.

[D]

Wait, man, he's throwing my words back in my face.

[A]

Got you. He got you. She got you, man. That was. That was smooth, cj. That was smooth right there, man. It was like a lawyer right there.

[D]

Yeah, you're right, man. You're right. But no, I think the part of the physicality is what. What's his name? Tory Beckton is doing with these guys in the off season, man. And the videos that they're putting out, working out in the stadium are pretty impressive, man. And the technology in the locker room and are in the weight room and things like that, I. I think that we'll get past that point and we just get nasty in the. In. In the line. That's just the question mark I have. I fully. I'm confident that they'll, you know, work it all out and get it all done by the second game of the season, which I'm looking so forward. Looking to. Forward to, man. But it is a question mark, though. You're right, C.J. but it's. It's not a bigger question mark for me than that. That red zone question.

[C]

Yeah, fair.

[A]

Yeah. Pastor said, must champ, baby. That could be it.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, that's part of bringing in must chat, right? Aggression, physicality, intensity. There are some. There were some traits that I believe Sar thought his team lacked last season, and I'm not saying much. Champs gonna bring all that. But, Paxton, I agree with you. Some of those traits. I think he just wants, if Muschamp's defense, a physical phase of a team, say offense or defense, it can also, I think, influence the identity of the other. And I think he's hoping that that defense does that for part of. For the offense, too. But Sark has tried to be more physical guys. He's. He's called more gap power scheme runs than he has in any time he's been at Texas last season. I think trying to be more physical. I do think he has, you know, ultimately, I think start. That's why he's committed to the run game, even sometimes stubbornly, even must. Champ said that because he tries to establish a physical run game, but his teams hasn't. Haven't been physical. You know that from talking going back to the red zone. Some of your red zone issues are short yardage, goal line issues. And that's his physicality that's playing bully ball. And Stark's teams aren't great at that either. And I think he's hoping this year they'll be a little bit better in that aspect as well. So. Yeah, that's some things. I agree with that. I agree with you, Stevie. All right, Steve. She brought the show down. I'm gonna let you go.

[D]

I know, man. Y'. All. Yeah, man. Y' all went so negative on me, man.

[A]

We're keeping it real. That's what we do.

[D]

We keep it real, man. And I look forward to Monday, next Monday, tomorrow, talking about what Sark will be saying on Thursday, man. So I appreciate you guys having me on.

[A]

Nah. Thank you, Stevie. Appreciate you. Tell the lovely family we said hi. Love you, brother. And talk to you next week.

[D]

Welcome.

[C]

Thanks, Stevie.

[A]

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[C]

Hold up.

[A]

Chris Horton.

[C]

Hold up.

[A]

Oh, we got a super chat. I only have my helmet here, guys, because I'm not in my office, Chris. All right, I'm not in my office. So I Owe you, Chris. Oh, you owe you a helmet. All right. Oh, you put my helmet on, Coach, don't do it. Don't break the helmet, Coach.

[B]

No, I'm already broken.

[A]

All right, you already broke it. Chris says Matthew hating on Heb and Dr. Pepper. I can see why you leave him behind the scenes.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Oh, hold up. What did I miss in the chat? Why is Matthew hating on heb and Dr. Pepper? Oh, matt, I gotta. I don't even know how this got started. Oh, Matthew's comparing Publix to Heb.

[C]

Word in the house. I. I got to the house a little bit later this afternoon. Word in the house was that Hank kind of. He kind of beat him about pretty badly in a game of pool earlier. So Matthew's a little grumpy.

[A]

Oh, that's.

[C]

We drove. Drove by a Wawa earlier, and Matthew said, hey, that's better than Bucky's. And I was like, all right, all right. This guy's got to be stopped, so.

[A]

Oh, hold up. I can't believe he's arguing that Publix is better than me. Now, I will admit I don't have a lot of public knowledge, but there's nothing better than Hed, though. I think. I think we all agree with that. It can't be better than Hed if I. There's no way there's a grocery store better than H e B. H e B is. Is God's grocery store.

[C]

All right, I'm gonna get a water or two dumped on me tonight because I think I stretched the truth a little bit on some of that.

[A]

And what's the issue with Dr. Pepper?

[D]

Who's.

[A]

What's that? What's he may. You know what? You can keep the Dr. Pepper thing. I'm not that big of a Dr. Pepper fan. H e B. I will go to the mat for H e B. I'm not going to the match for Dr. Pepper. That ain't really my drink that day. I don't know. I don't do a lot of soda, so that's not my thing. But don't mess with Heb, man. Don't do that, bro. All right? You. You like family to me. I don't want to see that. And Chris, hold up.

[C]

You know what, Chris?

[A]

Because I can't put on my hair, but I'm grab. Grab lots of hats here.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, there you go.

[A]

There you go. How about. All right, there you go, Chris, we're gonna keep that on for you, bro. Boom. Yeah, I got, like, five hats for you because I couldn't get you my. The helmet. I'm gonna put four, five hats on Chris. Thank you for that, man. Thank you for the love. Appreciate that. And thank you for letting us know that Matthew is on. Is talking blasphemy in the chat. I did not know that. Hating on Heb, man. Heb and don't get you. Hey, Matt, they'll get you on a lot of people's issue list, man. Hating on Heb. All right? They always show up when something bad happens in Texas. Heb always showing up doing good, man. Don't be hating on it. All right, let's get to another question here, but thank you very much. Chris, my man. Is that D. Morgan again? Brandon, thank you for the super chat. Says:Nov 2, 1992, 8:30am Who. Who knows the exact time they were born? Do you know the exact time you were born, Coach?

[C]

No, I was born November 1st. Yeah, a little bit.

[B]

A few decades before Brandon was El Paso, Texas. But, yeah, Jackson was actually born. I looked up at the clock when he was born.

[A]

7:17.

[B]

Jul 17 at 7:17pm no.

[A]

You know, yeah.

[B]

The only thing that could have been better when they waited, if he weighed 7.17, but I don't remember what he weighed.

[C]

That would have been unreal.

[B]

He said, dad, I should have wore number seven.

[D]

Hold up.

[A]

That is that country. You pulling my leg. Is that real? That's real.

[B]

No, no, that's real. That's.

[A]

Wow, that's a great story. I've never heard you tell that story. That is fantastic story. 7:17. Oh, man, I do not know the time I was born. Now, Brad, now you got me curious. Now, when I talk to my mama tomorrow, I'm going to ask mama, did she know the time I was born?

[C]

Because I. Yeah, I don't know it either, Rod. I think I asked my mom one time on a Saturday, probably pretty late in the night. She said, stop talking. That girl walk away. All right, fair enough. You got me.

[A]

Oh, man, that's great. Hold on.

[B]

She was too busy screaming and cussing. Look at the dang clock.

[A]

Oh, all right, that's great. All right, get us back on track here. All right, Nathan, thank you for the super chat. Appreciate it very much. He says, what's going on with Michael Terry? How much playing time will he get this year? We actually had a discussion about this because CJ had some great team notes and a little nugget about Michael Terry, which. How much of that. Now, you can't give folks everything, but how much of that Michael Terry nugget you Willing to reveal to the folks that you had over there on Texas football dot com.

[C]

Yeah, no, I. Look, I'm hopeful for Michael Terry, I think is the best way I can put it. This is a really crowded, talented running back room and you know, look for all of the guys in that room. It's going to be very tough to kind of carve out your role. There are two first team all conference players kind of headlining the room and then a five star true freshman. So for Mike Terry, the big thing for him is he's put on weight. He's earned himself a nice little nickname in the locker room. I won't dive into it, but it's on on texasfootball.com if you want to go find it. He has put on a lot of weight, a lot of good weight, I would say for him. Right. He's six three, probably about 233, 235. Right. In that range. Right. So about a 10 pound increase from the very beginning of the year. Now with that weight, it doesn't mean anything if you don't run physically with it. You need to lower your shoulder. You need to put some guys, especially linebackers, safeties, corners. You need to be running through those guys. That's the next step. Get the ball in your hand, run physically because we know we can catch the ball out of the backfield. We know he's a good athlete, but you need to run physically. That's what you're expected to do. When you're the biggest running back by size in the room, that's the next step. That's been a point of emphasis this offseason from the coaching staff. That's been a point of emphasis from his family and team and and group of friends down in San Antonio saying, hey, make the most out of your opportunities. Don't run timid. Don't try to juke everybody. You're bigger than a lot of these guys. Run through them. So that's the next step for him.

[A]

Okay. Like that he's put on some good weight. Shows that at least he's embracing kind of the new, the reinvention of his skill set as a player. Because he wasn't. I mean, he was just a skilled offensive weapon and now they want him to turn himself into a physical running back. So that's going to take a lot

[C]

for, for any more excitement that you want around Michael Terry. I was told that this offseason he watched a little bit of Deontay Foreman's tape and how I think the balance there for Deontay Foreman is fantastic, but it's that ability to get hit once, brush it off, and then keep going. Right. And we also talked about it when we built our perfect running backs. The one cut ability, the vision, really, really good. So I know that's a lot to pair together, but that's something that I think this off season they've really worked on or he's really worked on is all right. How can I add more pieces to my bag with the ball in my hands than what I had coming into the year?

[A]

Deontay Foreman, so underrated. Think about what he did on teams that didn't have a lot of a supporting cast around him. 2000 yards and he was pretty close to being kind of a one man show. I don't want to disrespect the other guys, but he was. He was. He was amazing. He was extraordinary. He really was. That season was that 2016, the 2016 season? I believe it was for him. I'm not mistaken.

[C]

20. Yeah. 2016.

[A]

Was it 16 if I'm not mistaken?

[B]

Yeah, it was 16.

[A]

It was 16. Oh, man. That year was. It was. He was. He was like. He could not be. I don't think that was a game where he was stopped. I'm trying to think of a game that he had, a game where they neutralized. Dude had his shoe, bro.

[D]

The shoe.

[A]

The shoe. He lost his shoe and burnt off on him losing the shoe. Oh, man, that was a great. That was a magical season for. For deontay. All right. Good reference there. Appreciate that. Also, Chris wants to know since he threw out the beautiful super chat, where can I get one of those hats Rodney is wearing? Shipley ranches.com apps suede and shield co. Something like that.

[B]

Yeah, that's. That's Jordan's boy's name. Swayed and shield.

[A]

I think it's swayed. Yeah. Suede and shieldco.com.

[B]

hey, I can't give. I. I have a hard time getting them myself. Okay.

[A]

Hey, coach. I take care of mine. The coach game. I don't wait a lot because I ain't got that many of. I got like two or three and I don't want to wear them out. They clean too. Ain't gonna lie. They nice. I get compliments on them all the time. And people like the ship. I'm like, yeah, the ship list. It's like just. It's only two Shipley's donuts and the Shipley family. That's it. That's all the ships we care about in Texas. No, I'm just kidding. If somebody out there named shipped. I'm just joking. All right. All right. Let's get back to a couple other questions here. How about this from Jack says, I have a question. If Cole Hudson's injection is successful, will. Will actually start left tackle? No, no, no. He's. I. I don't. Is. I don't know. There's a guarantee that he's. He would start if he came back. Is that a guaranteed starts?

[B]

He lost a starting job last year at left guard.

[A]

Yeah. So is there a guaranteed cj? I don't know if there's a guarantee. Right. He's just. He would just get depth.

[C]

Okay. I mean, it wasn't or isn't necessarily guarantee that Lawrence Seymour was going to start. Right. It's that whole thing about coming in, win your competition, win your position. But look, you know, is he better than Connor Robertson at center? Maybe. Right? Maybe.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Is he better than Lawrence Seymour at left guard?

[B]

Maybe.

[C]

Again, like, we'll have to wait and see what this staff thinks through fall camp, but I wouldn't say it's a guarantee one way or the other at the moment.

[A]

Yeah, that's why he's trying to come back. Listen, I. I don't judge him for coming back because some people feel very passionately about him trying to get another year of eligibility. If it was me and I was in his position, I'd probably be doing the same thing. Just want full disclosure. If I can get another year of playing football and they're going to pay me to do it, I'm gonna do that. And I'm gonna probably exhaust every means and to do it, to. To try to play and get paid to do it. So I understand where the young man's coming from. I don't judge him for it. As a Longhorn fan, I definitely think it would be advantageous to have a, you know, former starting offensive lineman coming back as a deaf piece when your biggest issue last year was your offensive line. So. All right, a couple other questions.

[B]

I was going to say anything, but I'm gonna say something now. He was part of the problem last year. He was part of the problem last year.

[A]

That's true. That's why I said, death, peace, Coach. Death, death, death. Piece, right? Death. Peace.

[C]

I think it's a competition piece. Look, I mean, you know, it's one of those things when, you know, whether it's a politician or a quarterback or something, you know, you finally get that change in leadership or change in tenure, and you sit there saying, okay, it should be better next time.

[A]

Around.

[C]

Right.

[A]

That.

[C]

That unknown gives you hope. And so I think what happened this off season is, you know, you saw a lot of that interior depart. You said, okay, it can't be as bad as last year. Right? These guys have to be better.

[B]

Right?

[C]

Brandon Baker spinning in has to be better. Lawrence Seymour, you know, a guy who received All American honors and one of. One of the big publications, he should be better. But now that you bring him back one of the pieces, you know, it kind of brings in what was the doubt of. Okay, are we sure we upgraded? Are we sure we're going to be better knowing that it might just be running back that same unit? I don't know. We'll have to wait. But that's what that competition's for. And that's why if you're Kyle Flood or Steve Sarkeesian, I don't think you turn down anybody with 48 career appearances.

[A]

Yeah, no, I'm with you on that.

[B]

Gorgeous center is a. That's a little bit intriguing that.

[A]

That.

[B]

That's intriguing because you get help from the guards. That. That is intriguing. But I kind of feel like Stevie feels so. So he actually went to training camp with. With the Bears or.

[C]

Or with the Browns for Brown for like a.

[A]

A.

[C]

A week, A couple weeks. Yeah, that.

[D]

That.

[B]

I mean, if that was. If that was, you know, Oklahoma or whoever, just pick. Pick a team that we don't like, you know, we'd be saying, I mean, Stevie's right. If you let that floodgate open, then everybody's gonna go. Because now, I mean, now you can make money. You can make money in college.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

I mean, when you. When you declare I'm with Stevie on that, it's like, I'm cutting ties. I'm. I'm done with this. I'm moving on. I'm gonna roll the dice. Well, just think of the total chaos that there's going to be if this goes through and it happens. Good for us if it does. But I'm just saying across. Just across the board in college football, it's going to be. You're not going to know who's going to. Who you have and who you're not going to have.

[A]

Yeah, No, I don't disagree with that. No, it's a good point. Like I said, I don't necessarily think they. He deserves the eligibility or the extra year. But like I said, if I was in this position, I probably would be trying to get paid to play more college football, too. So I'm not going to judge a young man for trying to do it. All right, let's thank our sponsors before we close things out. Let's thank our friends over at Zen AI. We appreciate them. Great new service here folks. This summer, don't just watch the games, you can Vibe Cast it. Zen AI is home of Vibe casting, a new way to capture and share real sports conversations. No studio, no fancy gear. Your phone is the whole setup. Arguing about who should have taken the last shot, breaking down every play hit record. Talk it out and Zen AI turns that convo into a sports cast for you and you can share it as clips, reels, even TikToks. An AI producer works behind the scenes, cleaning up audio, cutting highlights and helping you tweak edits just by chatting in plain English. You can go live while the game is on or you can record your hot takes right after. Bring your own co host or you can find another fan in Zen AI's network. This summer, Zen AI is paying new vibecasters to launch their first sportscast. Humans are the talent, AI is the infrastructure. Zen AI is invite only. So head to Zen AI, that's Zen AI to join the wait list. That's Zen AI or tap the link and our show notes. Thank you very much our friends at Zen and let's thank our friends at Von Lane one more time. Von Lane is fantastic if you're traveling shorter routes in between major Texas cities or in the region in general. If you're driving yourself, it also can that can be stressful. Dealing with traffic and road rage. Obviously dealing with airport stress with delayed flights and TSA and security checks also can be a stressful process. Nothing stressful about Bond Lane. You arrive at a private hotel terminal selling to one of just 22 oversized leather seats, complimentary WI Fi snacks, beverages and hot towel service on every trip. They also have complimentary meals on certain departures. They serve Austin, Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Fort Worth, Plano, the Woodlands as well Nashville, Memphis, Atlanta and Knoxville. If you're traveling with a team, you can charter your own Von Lane coach and design the trip from pickup to drop off. That's vonlane.com and if it's your first time riding, enter the code OTF26 at checkout to receive $20 off your first trip with Von Lane. That's Von Lane, your private jet on wheels. They also have brand new routes from the Woodlands to Austin. For you folks who are thinking about game day travel, if you're traveling from Houston or if you're traveling from Dallas or Fort Worth, look into Vaughn Lane. It's a great way to Avoid the traffic and the stress of dealing with traffic and parking. You can just come in on the Von Lane coach and get right to the game. All right, thank you very much to Von Lane. Cj Mama Vogo did contribute a little bit here to the conversation. Says CJ was born at 8:04am Boom. How about that? There you go.

[B]

You say something like, try pulling your bottom lip over and covering your forehead with it and tell me what time it is. I heard that's what childbirth was like.

[A]

Mama V was too classy for. All right, we gotta let C.J. go because he just outside in the dark and the mosquitoes about to eat him alive. So thank you, TJ for toughing it out. We appreciate it, Coach. Appreciate you as well. Thank you to Stevie. Thank you as well to Matthew. He's the real mvp even though he thinks Publix is better than hb. That's ludicrous. But we still love him. So thanks to Matthew. Also thanks to each and every one of you out there. Chris, thank you for that super chat. That was fantastic. Very kind of you. Really, really appreciate that. And you are right. I don't know why Matthew is hating on heb and Dr. Pepper. All right, but thank you guys for all the questions, comments we missed any of them directed to the gentleman at coffee and football bright and early tomorrow morning. That'll be the estimable Jerry Hamilton. The man, the myth, the legend himself, Bobby Burton. That'll be bright and early at 8:15. They'll cover all the nuggets from SEC Media Days and look ahead to Tuesday's guests on @SEC Media Days. And also Tuesday night, you'll have CJ Vogel and my man Jeff Howe. There will be at 7pm Promptly for your your live stream at night, the 7pm one. So thank you, CJ. Great stuff. Thank you, coach. Thank you to Matthew, for C.J. matthew and for Coach, I'm lifetime Longhorn ride, babies. Until next time, hook them horns.