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Pluto is a veteran of DeFi and cross chain systems, with prior stints at Thorchain and Airswap, now building Harbor, a native asset DEX. In this episode, we talk about the KelpDAO exploit and how DeFi can regain people's trust. Nic sits down with him to discuss:

What exactly happened with the KelpDAO/ Aave hack?
Will new AI models make hackers more proficient?
Is advanced AI a defensive or offensive technology for smart contracts?
Why protocol exposures are often not on chain
Why DeFi might want to segregate execution from settlement
Is it possible to have instant settlement and proactive monitoring
Do we have anything to learn from DeFi
What could Aave have done different?
Where did LayerZero go wrong?
Can DeFi work if there are occasional freezes and seizures?
Pluto's reflections on Thorchain
What Thorchain did right
Arbitrum's questionable precedent
What Pluto is building with Harbor
Where does DeFi go from here?

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