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Ripple/SEC Closed? | Trump Wins | Markets Surge | SCOTUS Bombshell
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Jeff
Hey, hey. Ripple finally shuts the door to the SEC case, but is it too little, too late to really matter? Does anyone really care? Meanwhile, Trump keeps racking up the wins, the market's booming, and the Supreme Court just handed down a decision that could shake the country to its core. Welcome to on the Chain. I'm Jeff with co host Chip. What is going on? Chip, what's going on? OTC community. And you ready to kick this thing off?
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Chip
Boy, I was quick. I wasn't ready yet. Still a little more. I'm a little more preamble there, but yeah, I'm ready.
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Jeff
Let's go. New format.
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Chip
Welcome to on the Chain. You threw me off with the. Hey, hey. I was like, whoa, whoa, what's happening?
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Jeff
Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
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Chip
Never opened it up. In five plus years of doing this show, I've never heard. Hey, hey. I don't know what to think. I was taking my surprise thinking about Shock Drop, where you're coming in from. Welcome, everybody, to on the Chain. What's up, badass? Crypto nation says Ryan El Jefe is like, yeah, Ripple moves on. I moved on two years ago. To be honest, like, why everyone's even fixated on is a. Is a monstrous under misunderstood. I can't get my head around it. It means absolutely nothing. But nobody's really fixated on. The only thing that matters is crypto legislation. The lawsuits don't make them, and all of lawsuits will be negated by all that stuff. So Kelly is an Orlando at the 16th hole. That must have been an early tea time, man.
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Jeff
That's a super early tea time. You know what? The sun's been up since, what, 6:30, so would you get out there, man? What was it? 6:30? Punctual.
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Chip
Did you play the back nine or. What the hell? Jeez, man. 16th hole already. I guess there's nobody there. I guess you're just cruising. But still, that's a lot to take in, Wick.
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Jeff
Well, maybe he's scratch golfer over there.
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Chip
Hey, up. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Joe says his XRP bags are packed. What are your cryptos? You're stacking for the 29. 28, 29. Bull run.
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Jeff
Yeah, it's funny, Kelly.
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Chip
Livestock velo for me. There you go. 20, 29. Well, good. I'm glad you're optimistic about 29, and then you're throwing 30, just, you know, maybe just in case. Because in case you're off a little bit, but, you know, Adrian Stormberg in the MF building. There you go. Has entered Jim D. Here Ripple moves on and price acts as flat as possible. Yeah. Because it means nothing and matters to nobody. I don't why people are following this thing like their life depends on it is just the biggest, craziest thing ever. I had, I had a comment on. So many people got mad because I commented. So like. Yeah, well you know it. It was over on July 13, 2023 when Judge Torres said XRP is not a security boom done ended with the SEC was never. They were always going to be able to defend themselves. Legislation would change all that garbage. So it's completely meaningless what happens there. I mean the institutional sales. I get it.
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Jeff
So what Anybody else want to repost the stream? Go ahead and repost over there. It's awesome.
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Chip
My reposted. I like that. Very good, very good.
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Jeff
The king is in and the king is in. So you know, it's it. I mean look at that. Ripple has done absolutely amazing and. And that's it. And that's something that Chip and I talk about a lot that so many people, especially the YouTube fanboys were so hyper focused on Ripple success being tied to XRP success that they forgot to separate the company from the asset. Even though they talked about separating the company from the asset. But they would always circle back. We talked about. It was. It's a, it was a critical case at its moment. As soon as we saw that pivot that Chip brought up, as soon as there was a ruling on XRP that changed the dynamic. But what that didn't change was regulatory clarity. Normaly in the space to be able to properly build and develop. Well, you could develop and build all you want. You can come up with the coolest project, marketing the project, selling the project, getting actual mainstream adoption and doing anything in the public sphere in the US market with everything that we've gone through over the past, you know, four years plus years with lack of legislation that stifled everything but the objective though that court case Chip was so pivotal on acknowledging XRP as a non security, the only digital asset recognized like that by a court ruling. Again, still no clarity from anybody, especially not Congress, the one that should actually be legislating to make any clear statement on crypto asset and how that then is able to be intertwined into our financial, our financial products or our use case, whatever that might be. And you and I talk about that all the time. And this is where as we're starting to see the progress, things are actually falling into place. There were some big movements on stablecoin that we've talked about that sets the foundation you have to have a foundation before you can build everything. Otherwise it's a house of cars. Is that true?
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Chip
It's true. You know what's, you know what's true? I'll tell you what. Something that's true. For over five years, consistently one refriging, big OG and supporter of the channel. We always appreciate that, man. You're always, you're, you're, you're a huge supporter. Appreciate that. Congratulations. Rough Rican says to everyone who's held. Let's see where we go from here. Beautiful. Yeah, let's see where we go. And I mean, I'm not, I'm not saying that I don't care what happens. I just, it just doesn't, doesn't carry the weight that maybe people think it does. But, you know, as long as there's legislation in the plate place, you know, institutions and financial institutions especially, you know, your banks and stuff, may not feel comfortable doing business or, you know, working with Ripple. So there's that piece of it. But on the legality side of it, and again, a lot of that was the appeal had to do with the institution of their sales to institutions. Right. But, but it wasn't that XRP is like, you know, in that case, it was a security. But the new legislation is going to get rid of all that stuff. It's going to, it's going to trump it all. So it's not. That's why I'm not so concerned short term. It's really the long term that we're really thinking about what's going to happen. Right.
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Jeff
So there's a lot. And the building is. That's why I was so excited about Chip. Everything that wave of innovation had been about, you know, the direction that that conference had been going in when we were there. Look at that. And then Ali G pops in. Just as I had that thought. That's, that's funny time. I didn't see Allergy popping in. Ali G was the.
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Chip
I didn't see that either. But Ali G was, you know, so pivotal and putting all that together was such a huge thing to put together. And you know, and Fabio and the whole crew, Matt. And I mean, there's a whole. I mean, there was, I mean, the fact is too, it wasn't a for profit thing. And that's a lot to ask people to do, right? The amount of time and effort that goes into that. Like with Brad Kimes when he does the XRP one, that was a for profit. But Brad Kimes did a great thing. He was able to sell it Yeah, I bet you got a seven figure, you know, deal out of it. But he was able to sell it. I don't know who, who the purchaser was, but I suspect it was someone like coindesk who does these niche conferences. So they could do a niche conference on xrp. Seeing how large it had grown and how, you know, Brad Kimes and the team grew that every year it was pretty big. This year it was pretty sizable, you know.
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Jeff
Yeah.
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Chip
But for the first inaugural conference for the wi, it was actually, it was a phenomenal.
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Jeff
It was over the top.
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Chip
It was so over the top and it just, and it looked like, you know, a million dollar conference. Right. It was a big difference way people looked on stage with an amazing backdrop, first class audio, first class stage, first, you know, an amazing. And also the, the sort of the resort they were held it in, everything was first class and like you don't see that a lot especially in an inaugural type event. So it was really, there's really something great. You know, Jeff and I go to a lot of these things.
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Jeff
So yeah, Chip, it was a differentiator. I, I was really looking forward to, you know, this year. You know, it would have been pretty amazing. We'll see the direction that it moves in. I had high hopes for the direction that. Because there's a lack, there's a lack in this community at, at large. You know, there's other conferences but focused in on development and building in this space and just seen the direction that that moved into. I, I, you know, was foreshadowing when we were there, you know, and kind of looking at what the possibilities could be and you know, kind of envisioning that entire hall just packed with, with builders and vendors and you know, all the different, you know, from different communities. And that was kind of where they were, you know, had planned on taking it and you know, seeing that engagement. Because cross chain building and development is the key to success. It's not about the xrpl, it's not about Bitcoin, it's not about Ethereum. You know, it's not about Solana. It's about cross chain building and utility. Without that then we're back to silos and what's the purpose? Right? What was the point? And that was kind of the direction they had been moving in was that cross chain and wanting to get actively involved. That's what's missing. That's what you know, you know, you're not, you're not going to get. It's fun going to conferences, you know, it's Fun, you know, being there, you know, at times. But when you. Where the. The conferences get stale and you've seen it. I've definitely seen it. Is when, you know it's a wash. It's kind of a wash, rinse, repeat, you know, type of scenario. And you go there, you learn nothing new. Every so often, maybe there's a little dribble or something, and then you end up going to the conferences only to go mingle with people, which is good too. You know, you can network. You can be in one place where there's all the networking, but then why not just have a networking event and say, hey, but what they do is they pack in and they charge the vendors, you know, ridiculous amounts of money to have a booth there. And so you're basically paying for your spot in order for you to network. And I just had people come back from a couple conferences, and I was like, man, how were they? And they said, I don't know. There was really nobody there. You know, I was like, well, who'd you see? Other vendors. So how much you spend. How much did you spend on the booth? On just the footprint? I don't know, 3, 500, $5,000? How much did the show cost you? 15, 20,000, you know, to get over there? To do what? Oh, we just. We mingled with the vendors. Like, I had one guy, you know, he shows up and said, I would have been better off not having a booth, just going there to mingle with people. You know, he got business from another vendor. I was like, what was the purpose of having a booth then? You know, it just. It makes no sense.
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Chip
I coined. I don't know who coined it, but we started coining this phrase many, many years ago. We called it LobbyCon. And so the lobby con is the conference that happens in the lobby. So you don't actually pay the $2,500 for the ticket, but you go to the event, you get a hotel, and you hang out at the bar, because that's where all the deals happen. That's where all the people are.
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Jeff
A lot goes on.
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Chip
And then someone will inevitably give you your thing to go do a couple passes to go see what's going on. They'll say, yeah, I'll give you my. You know, and they'll let you in. We called the lobby con. Look at Ali G. Says, oh, shucks, you guys. Do you know, we had two amazing MCs. Yeah. And we. We enjoyed every minute that we love doing the wi. So we'll see what happens where it ends up. We'll see what, what actually transpires, where it goes.
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Jeff
It'll be great to see other ones. The other one that we participated in, which I thought, you know, is also a pretty good event, you know, that got put together from a content perspective, the speakers, the politics, the crypto discussions and just everything was the event that we did up. Mel's event up in Space Coast.
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Chip
Space coast, yeah, it was cool to be up for the first time. We got to hang out with Jim D. It was fun to hang out with Jim D. And also Chad almost said his real name, but, but Chad, we hung out with him too. We got dinner with him one night and you know, and, and Jim D. And then Chad was actually at the event. But it was great. You know, like you said, the politics part of it, it was a really, it was a fun, cool event to participate in. And we were on stage twice, which was nice, you know, as panel, you know, we thought we were going to interview, you know, politicians on stage. We became part of the event, which was kind of a nice surprise. It was cool. So I was like, hey, sure, that was fun. And that, that was a, was a nice thing to do and, and really enjoyed it also too. I just came back from Adobe Connect, which is a massive show. It was in Vegas and the entire, the entire stage was all the best and it was, it went on for forever in it and you know, the keynote, I, I attended the keynote and I saw a little bit of the next session. I don't know, man, it left me a little, I don't know, the, the graphics themselves for company like Adobe. I felt like we're a little bit on the horsey side. I don't know, it just, it was okay. I mean, I thought the, I thought the stuff they did was fantastic, like first rate, big stuff. But you know, I had, it was weird because it had me triggering back to the woi and thinking like, oh, that was cool the way that was set up or that was great the way the panel operated because you see a lot of these things and you know, inevitably you get, you get one or two people that's really strong in a panel and that wasn't the case. WI was like everybody in the panel was like, like interesting and, and on. But sometimes you know, even the panels we play clips from. You play a selected clip of somebody talking, but the rest of them are just sitting there like bumps on a log. You know, it's like, it's like, yeah, whatever, or they talk and you're like, I don't know. What they just said, you know, I don't. I don't really know what they were talking about there.
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Jeff
So Matt is bringing up the fact that Mount Tambourine Pub, that Irish pub that we found at the top of the mountain. That was always. That was epic. Also, here we are, Chip and I, day one, we just got there. We're already making runs to the airport. We're going to, you know, pick people up at the airport and doing all sorts of things. And then Matt takes us on a scenic tour of Mount Tambourine. And that was like, day one, it was. It was awesome. Ali brought us live.
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Chip
Streamed that. That live stream.
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Jeff
He did live stream it. Yeah.
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Chip
We didn't. Not the pub itself, but that was great. Being up there, just kind of hanging out and. But we did not see one native, like, you know, animal that's not known outside of Australia. We didn't see one koala. We didn't see any. Nothing. There was nothing.
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Jeff
It's because they're fictitious.
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Chip
Kangaroo.
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Jeff
They're like unicorns.
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Chip
1. Damn. I guess you have to go to a zoo to find them. I don't know.
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Jeff
And. And that's what they said. They're like, we'll bring you to a zoo. But yet I think they. They tell us that their zoos are like huge, like, open spaces that you dry drive around.
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Chip
I think, yeah, next time, Joe.
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Jeff
Zoo's over here.
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Chip
So anyway, let's get into this whole thing, though.
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Jeff
That's right.
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Chip
We saw a stranded dirt. Yeah, we did see a stranded dirt. We definitely saw a stranded dirt in the wild. That was fun. With this, the ball's back in. Okay, so this is basically him talking about. Let me see. Do I have these backwards? Yeah. You know, Jimmy Violin put this up about the Ripple. Judge Torres denied the party's motion for indicative ruling. He said Stu Aldarati, who is the. He's not the general counsel, Chief Legal Officer, clo. He said, with this, the ball's back in our court. And the court gave us two options. We either dismiss our appeal challenging the finding on historic institutions constitutional sales, or press forward with the appeal. Stay tuned. Either way, XRP's legal status as not a security remains unchanged. In the meantime, even. Even Ripple's calling it out. Even Stu's talking about. The biggest thing that came out of this was they went and fought the sec. You know that. You know that song, I Fought the Law, the long one? This is I Fought the SEC and Ripple one.
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Jeff
That's right.
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Chip
We even did some. We even did some jokes about. Instead of Star Wars. We did, we did xrp, we did Sec wars and we did a little spin on that with our merch and our store. We'll talk about a little bit later. But this is really phenomenal. This is really what it was all about. Brad came out of the top of that and said Ripple is dropping our cross appeal and the SEC is expected to drop their appeal. As they previously said, we're closing this chapter once and for all and focusing on what's important. Building the Internet of value. Lock in a value.
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Jeff
Yes.
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Chip
And then XRPP said this, he said, how exactly does one lock in? Am I the only one that missed that class? And I was, this is how you do it. Boom. You press the lock in button right there. That's how it's done. Lock in. He's like, just press that. It's the Internet of Value. And yeah, I mean, what are we talking about? This happened, my God, so many years. But Jeff, something you brought up earlier, which is, which is. Let me put these in the right order here. Yeah, let's see. Here we go, let's go. So you talked about the interoperability, otherwise you're just operating in silos and this is huge right here. So Ripple X put this out today. We're partnering with Wormhole to bring multi chain interoperability the XRPL and the upcoming XRPL EVM sidechain. This integration brings new optionality for developers and institutions looking to cross build chain applications whether for payments defy and real, real world asset use cases here. Then Wormhole also announced it. Wormhole is announcing a partnership. They talked about Wormhole will be the core interoperability solution for the XRPL ecosystem. That's huge. We talked about interoperability for so many years. And the integration will also bring institutional grade interoperability to the 6 million plus users on the XRPL ecosystem, bringing new connectivity for developers, institutions who want to do those multi chain apps. And again also mentions defy and real world use cases which is just phenomenal. And then of course Ripple came over the top of that and said XRPL EVM sidechain panshake Wormhole. So it's a, it's a phenomenal development here. Let's see what the wonder ripple here. Tree foreign. So they bring up the fact that tokenized assets and stable coins as they gain momentum and the final infrastructure must evolve to support seamless movement across blockchain network. Institutions increasingly demand digital assets can move securely and efficiently without added complexity, risk or fragmentation. So to help really really with that demand, Ripple is expanding the XRPL's multi chain capabilities. Wormhole is one of the leading cross chain interoperability protocols integrating with both the XRP ledger Mainnet and XRPL sidechain EDM sidechain. The integration will be cross chain messaging, asset transfers, multi chain issuances of tokens. What this really means is that if you're building on, let's say Salon or if you're building on, let's say Ethereum, you'll have the, you'll now be able to, you take advantage and also use what the XRPL is really great for. So this cross chain, this is such a huge deal and it's, it's, it's coming at the right time as well. So right now if you think about it, wormhole has over 200 applications across 35 + blockchain ecosystems and it does tokenized assets and stable coins. Over a billion cross chain Messages, more than 60 billion in cross chain volume since its, its inception of 2020. Major institutions like Black Rock, Securitize, Apollo, they also use Wormhole services. And then you think about Ripple on the ripple side of it too with all their big institutional partners like Black Rock and you know, with their latest acquisition. So what do you think about this, Jeff? It seems like a pretty good move here.
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Jeff
I like, I like the move towards, towards acquisition. I like the idea of trying to incorporate technologies. You don't necessarily have to build all technologies, trying to build them in, but looking to expand on the xrpl, looking at the side chains, looking at cross chain functionality. This idea of being able to integrate technologies together is going to be key. That's what the development is all about. That's where you know you're not going to have progress. If you don't, you're going to have other teams out there that are going to do amazing things. As a component too, as an innovative product, you don't have to always invent, you don't always have to recreate the wheel. But if you can take an existing product and say hey, you know what, I wish this product had abc. And by the way, I'm going to build the A part of it and I'm going to plug in. And now we got the A, and then someone else comes in B, someone else gets C and then all of a sudden you have this functional product that's amazing. And so we're going to see that with a cross chain which is again, if we scale back, think about all the different companies out there that are innovating to utilize technology stuff that we use today like the Zaman Wallet. What would the Zaman Wallet think about what they've been able to incorporate? And then if you go into the Zama Wallet, look at all the different apps that are incorporated into the Zaman Wallet, people that are then using that platform. And we look at some of the technologies that that flare is developing to be cross chain. The idea of the, the side chain. It's, it's just interesting, you know, to see, you know, where they're going with this and to see how they can continue building. But that, that comment right there from Robinson Berkey, interoperable digital asset ecosystem. I think that that's the key right there.
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Chip
Well, it says it right here. If you want real mass adoption, interoperability is essential. Absolutely. Because otherwise you're going to have that niche. And so Axelar is the other one that they're working with. It also has interoperability. So as many things as you can plug into the XRPL is going to be a fantastic thing. And if you look at this is, this is something too to know too where Ron Rough Rican was saying, not for nothing, but Ripple's been building despite the lawsuit. They didn't. This is one thing I appreciate about Ripple. They fought, man. They. Well, you're wrong. You're on the wrong side of history. They fought the Beast, Gary Gensler and the crappy sec and they've been hiring, acquiring and building all alone. The US will benefit now. Yeah. And with legislation, it's going to get even better. And that's the whole idea behind what you hear pitched behind the legislation. Is that innovation part of it. And so, you know, the, the Hidden Road acquisition is massive. That's like, that is huge. And people are like, well, would they buy Circle? Would they not buy Circle? Look, Circle is going to be fine on its own. There's plenty of stuff. There's plenty of, of. It's a massive market for stable coins. You know, Tether right now has the biggest footprint is, you know, worldwide and also is the most profitable. But Ripple will, will get theirs too, because Ripple, Brad Family House had mentioned at one point that they had minted 20 of USDC. That's incredible. 20 was, was, was basically minted by Ripple. So I mean, it was on. It was obvious they should come out with their own stable coin, you know, especially when it comes to banks. Is there a poll going on about coffee, Jeff?
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Jeff
I see there is, actually, yes. I put a poll out there.
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Chip
Where is it? Because I don't even know what it is? I have no idea.
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Jeff
So the poll I put out there, what is your morning coffee? Espresso city and dark Americana drip or I'm naturally caffeinated. And then the last one is tea. Now Ali threw in there cappuccino so there is no cappuccino in there. I was gonna put cappuccino and then didn't. So essentially yeah true. I was gonna put deal with like with milk with sugar. That'll be a. We put that pull up. But I'm interested. It's interesting already to see based on this. You know if you just want it just dark espresso. Some people like putting milk in the espresso which is cool too. But 18. 18% or is that say 10%? 18% say espresso. 40% are Americana drip. Just like an American weak kind of dirty water looking brown water coffee. And then I'm naturally caffeinated. 27. Only 9% of you like tea. That's interesting. Very interesting indeed.
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Chip
Ryan says he likes the the sound of crypto coffee. So that's good because that here it is right here. Badass Yeti's coffee which is rebranding very soon we'll have a new. It will have. It will be under the badass rebrand which we Jeff and I are are going to be rolling everything too. We have the new logo ready to go. Building the website and everything will fall under the NFTs. The coffee, the bourbon. Wait, did I say bourbon? Jeff. We'll all fall into that and I will drop it down below. So if you want some. Great. You know and again what he was talking about is the Obsidian which is what I'm drinking right now. The Obsidian Bold which is just a nice dark, you know, Italian roast. And again the. The key differentiator differentiator here with our coffee brand is it your order comes in. The beans are roasted and sent out. Now the stuff you get in the store has been sitting there a minimum of six months, sometimes a year. And that the beans are dried out if you try to bite one to break your tooth. These are like you still have the oils on there, you know, it's fantastic. And I always will get just grab a couple beans as I'm grinding. I'll grab a couple beans out of there and just crunch them. They're fantastic. They really are fantastic. So there you go. There's your choices. Right now there's four of them.
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Jeff
So four coffees to choose from. One rough freaking said not for nothing but ripple has been building despite the Lawsuit they've been acquiring building. Oh, you read that one already.
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Chip
Yeah, I read that. I read both of those.
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Jeff
Where you been reading this one too? So I thought RIP was having a 40 billion dollar coin burn last night at 11, 11:59pm Anyone else hear that? Did not hear that.
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Chip
I'm not doing anything about that.
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Jeff
No, no, no coin burn.
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Chip
There's no coin burns.
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Jeff
No nothing happening. Visual vendetta. Same thing happened before Trump won. Stock market hit all time highs then BTC and alts moon. So we're waiting on that. I still, I think this time around, Chip, what it's going to take for you know, big moment, big movement across the board with the altcoins. First of all, bitcoin has to get off the 105 to 107. It already hit the 110 mark. It's got to hit probably like, you know, it's got to go on a run to 150 and then we're going to start seeing some big movement with the altcoins as well. There'll be a lot of focus on bitcoin then the altcoin seasonal hit. But what we want to get to a point with the market where we're avoiding the big kind of the whipsaw, you know, the high highs and the low lows, you know, we can't, you can't keep building off of, off of such a, you know, these major swings like that. And that's the concerning part which is also where so much of the focus from the financial institution has now moved to stablecoin because they want the technology, they don't want the big moves. You know, that's a, that's a whole different, you know, focal point, you know, and then it starts operating more like penny stocks than it does stable, stable market. And so we're going to get to a point here which is all based off of the core development proper legislation. And so we're probably, I think from a true solid growth within, within the, within the alt market. It's going to take more development, more recognition on a global scale. Bitcoin is kind of there already because it has the recognition on a global scale where we see countries and financial or corporations that are adopting it into their treasury, which we reference quite a bit. The all coins are starting to catch up. We already have the Bitcoin ETF for mainstream investment in the US market where we saw an XRP up in the Canadian market, XRP etf. I don't think that's really very significant because it's up in Canada, you know, where we really need. And you know, that's kind of, with all honesty, I'm not saying it just facetiously, but I don't think that that's going to have a major impact. I believe that, you know, when the US rolls out an XRP etf, we're going to start gaining more mainstream adoption because it'll be available through things like Fidelity etc. And so then all of a sudden you're going to have retirement 401ks starting to invest into XRP ETFs. That's going to have a major impact mainstream. Until that happens, we need more clarity of legislation to, to keep building and also to have things like that become more adoptable. And that really is, is key. Was this the king said pangu is a little dark horse first meme etf. Interesting.
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Chip
Yeah. Pengu, that's. That is interesting. They also didn't the stuff connected to Pingu go.
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Jeff
You guys should do chocolate covered coffee beans. It was a big thing. 90s. You know what? Still a thing.
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Chip
Byron Bay was fun too. Byron B. Still. Yeah. Oh, I love those, man. I love chocolate covered. They're fantastic. Very good. So Jeff, interestingly enough, here we go.
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Jeff
Funny that we used to get stable coins to hold ready, deploy back into crypto, but now those stable coins might just get locked for yield and not get redeployed. And I think that, that that's what it's all about. This is where the market trend was complex with the assets. Because you stake your asset, it's going up and down there. There's always that possibility. And we saw it happen where, you know, people are getting closed out of their asset and then they're complaining about the platform. They're like, oh, I couldn't, you know, where they were losing or whatever it might be. You didn't have access to it. You're locking it up. Put a stable coin in there, it's worth a dollar. Still worth a dollar. It's staked. You're not worried about the high and lows of it. You're not trying to sell it fast, you know that you're putting in there. Here's your stake percent that you're expecting apy and, and that's it, you know, and so I think from that perspective it's going to be a lot safer. There's just so many other directions to go into like El Jefe is bringing up as well, you know, send.
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Chip
How about paying your mortgage? Well, no, that's. When you, when you qualify for a mortgage, you need to List your assets, okay. When they're determining if they're going to loan you the money or not. And so your crypto is what you put as an asset. You were not. If you wanted to put it as an asset, you had to con. You had a basically transferred into USD, you know, fiat, which sucked because if you had, let's see, you had 200000 in equivalent of 200000 in Bitcoin, you had to take it and put it into USD and then maybe you get a nice fluctuation in the market, you lose out on that. What they're saying now is you don't. You can do native and you're, you can use your native crypto and what it's worth and put it on, on, you know, for qualification. That's really what it's about. So it's not right. And everyone making a big deal about Farquhar, it doesn't matter what it's called. It has a value to it. And you know, unless you're holding a crap ton of fart Toyne fart coin. See how I did that crap ton. A crap ton of that, Jeff. So there was something interesting, somebody named Mr. Shift. And again, I don't know who this is. He's out of Switzerland. And I think because he's out of Switzerland, he, he did an hour podcast with Chris Larson. And I'm gonna play part of this. I'm gonna play part of this. We don't have to play the whole thing. It's an hour long, obviously. But this is something that I found pretty interesting. This is how we're sort of crossing the chasm into our crypto slash geopolitical part of the, of the podcast. But I wanted to play this. Unfortunately, I, I didn't clip it. I'm gonna put it on here. Hopefully the audio works because I'm gonna go to an actual spot in here. Right here. He's talking about California's housing crisis. So this is interesting. So let's see if this plays. Hang on a second. I still got to play the audio first. Here we go. Let me turn the audio up and then let me try to play it again. Let's see if this plays. Tell me if you hear audio, Jeff. Okay, Right.
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C
We go in the street. In sf earlier this month, I was actually staying in Union Square, which is where we, we should not have stayed.
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D
Oh, why is that?
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Chip
I mean, because, Jeff, now you know San Francisco, you know, Union Square. First of all, a couple hotels have closed down, shops have closed down in Union Square. Why? Because it is a hole. Okay. San Francisco's turned into. Last time I was there was about two years ago. Needles, feces on the street, piss everywhere. Everything smelled like somebody pissed all over everything. It was this. But when the. But when they hosted Chinese, the China's president there, then they washed the streets down almost. They wanted to make. They want to make a great impression for China, but they don't want to make a great impression for the citizens of people who live there. So this guy's being real. He goes, we should not have stayed there. And he's going to tell you why, and then he's going to ask Chris Larson about it.
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C
Because you get in the streets and you're basically walking in the middle of zombies.
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Jeff
Right?
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C
Homeless people, basically. And it's very.
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D
Did you see a lot of homeless people at Union Square?
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C
So many. Like, there's streets, literally. I mean, obviously we don't know where to go, where to not go. And so we were with the. The electric scooters, and we're just literally, like, at some point we had to stop and walk because there were so many of them that we couldn't even go.
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Chip
Right.
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D
Yeah.
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C
And I was like, what the hell? That's that.
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Chip
Larson, who. Who was born in San Francisco, spent his whole life in San Francisco, was surprised to learn this. Were there a lot of homeless there? Yeah, dude, it was. It's been bad for years.
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C
That's crazy. And for me, it really raised the question directly. I mean, I'm from Switzerland, I live in Singapore. I'm not kind of used to that. But at the same time, I come to the US And I realized the energy here is different, and that's where shit happens.
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Jeff
It's.
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C
It's insane. The quality of the people. And now crypto, as you said, like, probably everything's gonna happen here. I can feel it. And I'm gonna spend much more time here. But there is such a massive disconnect between we're here, Silicon Valley, San Francisco. If I take my phone and I look at the phone itself or the five apps I use the most, it's all coming from here.
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D
Yeah.
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C
Well, at the same time, there's all these people in the street. How is that possible?
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D
It's a great question.
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Chip
I mean, okay, so Jeff, if you had to guess what he's going to go on to say here, what would you think he's going to say about this? Or what's. How would you summarize what you think he's going to talk about? Because he's bringing Up a real point that here you have the innovation capital of the world, Silicon Valley, right. San Francisco, where Google is and all the big tech companies are basically are out of there. And why you have. So what's on the street, right.
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Jeff
So where is Chris going to go with this?
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Chip
He goes, listen to this.
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Jeff
I was a little bit.
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Chip
What's that?
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Jeff
No, I was going to say that based on where we think he is, he's somehow going to support it, you know, but I have a feeling that he's not. You know, based on what he's gonna. Just based on where we're at right now. People, people's intelligence has to kick in at some point. When you ask a question like that, nobody wants it. Nobody wants it like that.
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Chip
Nobody wants it. Everyone feels bad about it. I mean definitely. So here's. Let's listen what he has to say.
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D
A byproduct of trying to have an anything go society. So the way California had worked in the past, why we were such a magnet was this is the place where I could be anything I wanted to be. And it has incredible opportunity. Not to mention the beauty and the weather and everything else about it and people from everywhere. But in last. I don't know when I was born in San Francisco, I've been here for my whole life, something went off the rails. I don't know if it's 10 years ago. It's not just Covid and it was all political. The, you know, blame it on the democratic socialists. The fact that we even have a democratic socialist party in America is kind of shocking. But they have sort of taken outsized influence in a. Jeff, I can see.
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Chip
The look on your face already. It's like, wait a minute. You're like, dude, what another waste. Yeah, it was. I was like, you know, he, he's, he's making, he's landing some solid points here. Yeah, he's like right there, right out of the gate, he's like, he's hitting it head on. That's why I love this segment here.
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D
A couple of west coast cities. LA is even worse actually. If you go down there and they sort of drove us off cliff by, you know, born of compassion, saying to the homeless people, look, we'll support you, but we're not going to sort of force you into treatment. Now if you look at homelessness is a very complex issue, right. It's. There's kind of three different things going on.
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Chip
It's.
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D
It's economics because we haven't built enough housing. And I would blame the left on that. Too because they've built a structure in California that just, it wants to say no to everything. So they all know we need lower cost housing, yet they're blocking every single reasonable project you can imagine. That's what's going on for the last.
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Chip
Amazing. Jeff. Right?
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Jeff
Yeah. Yeah. So this, it's so interesting. We've seen so many people go down this path recently where there's an awakening and everybody gets to that awakening at some point. They have these crazy ideas. They're, they're just lost in the brainwashed status that they've been in since childhood, maybe since inception. They kind of grow up with these ideas. And one of the things that he, that he mentioned and you know, if you go back and he said that it was, it was born out of compassion. So they just want this laissez faire kind of, you know, let people do what they want sort of thing. Born out of compassion, that idea. And he's already saying that. And they, and again the, the Democrat liberals that have, are getting this awakening that they all have that same idea and they all say it a little bit different, that it was because of the goodness of our hearts because they still think that these people are doing it out of compassion, that they really care for other people. Right. That there, there's this love affair for all humankind and there isn't they could give a crap about other people. And so that's the awakening. But they're still struggling with this concept. And so he said it was born out of compassion that they did this, but then it was the politics that prevented it. No, there was no compassion. That if you're compassionate then you help these people gain access to proper education or retraining or you give them the assistance to put them in a position where they can succeed on their own. The compassion isn't I'm going to take care of you for the rest of your life and you're never going to have to work a day in your life. And that isn't compassion. That is belittling. That's the socialist communist mantra that is still stuck in their brain. And there's, but he's struggling with this right now. So he's coming to the awakening that it was a socialist Democrat. Eventually he'll realize that the Democrat party has been, you know, has been completely taken over by the socialist mindset. But it didn't start like you said during COVID It didn't start 10 years ago, it didn't start 20 years ago. It started a long time ago that it's been A creepy. And it's interesting because my, my theory and thought process and whenever I get up in front of people and there's. There's always this tension, right, from the conservative side to say, look at these, you know, crazy Democrats. You know, we can't, you know, we have to shun them and do all this stuff. I'm like, no, it's the exact opposite. Yep. We have to be there. We can speak our minds. You can't back down from that. You have to show the truth. You have to reveal the truth. But the. At the end of the day, you always have to be standing there with your arms wide open. Why? Because people like this and people like others, you know, they go through that awakening. We have to be ready to embrace them, because if we're not going to welcome them back home, you know, then we're just as bad as they are, and we're just going to be shunning them because they're going to shun us. They think we're crazy. They think their ideas are compassionate. They're not compassionate. They have to have an awakening. We have to be ready to embrace them. And this has happened, you know, to me personally, so many times over where, you know, never back down from, you know, political conversation. I'll always try to lay it out succinctly and, and, and I can remember years ago, so this is probably 20 plus 21, 22 years ago. I'm thinking it was probably 2004, 2003. So, like 22 years ago, going to the Republican convention in New York City, and we had a friend of ours watch our dogs. I had a.2 large dogs at the time. Not too many people got along with our largest dog, even though he was kind of like, he was a lover, but you wouldn't know it. And so we had our friend watch. His fiance at the time was a raving lefty lunatic, you know, and I didn't realize how crazy she was at the time, you know, because of her. Her, you know, but we went out to a restaurant to say, hey, thank you for, you know, watching our dogs while we're gone. Then she was like, oh, where were you guys? We're at the Republican convention in New York City. Where do you think the conversation ended up going at dinner in the middle of a restaurant. It got super, super heated, and she's shouting at us in the middle of this restaurant. The next night, we were all supposed to get together for. I don't remember who was fighting, but there, there was a big fight the next night that we are all going to another friend's house to watch as we normally did. He, I didn't hear from him again. That was like, I never heard from my friend again. That was the end. He was at my house every single day. We went to the gym together. We're in martial arts together. He was always around, you know, and, and all of a sudden went from that to nothing. And so then fast forward ship. Years later, there was a big hurricane here. So it was like, you know, hindosis post Trump. So it's 2018. I get, first of all, I get a call from him at some point during the, one of the hurricanes. I don't remember what year it was. Are you okay? Yeah, everything's great. It was like 14, 15 years later, 2018, I get another text from him like, dude, this is like 14 years later. And he, and he sends me this text and he has said, you have to watch this video. Right? So I, I play the video. There's his wife, you know, on YouTube on a walk away video telling her story about how her family was always involved politically from, you know, Democrat left, how she had been brainwashed her entire life, how she finally had this wakeup call realization how, you know, years ago she ruined her husband's friend relationship with his best friend. Told the story about what happened in the restaurant, told about how she acted crazy in the restaurant, you know, told this whole story then fast, you know, then talks about how much Trump is, and this is, you know, 2018, how much Trump is doing great things for the country, how she, you know, is in, in the dog park, gets chased out of the dog park by a raving lunatic lefty because she said, you know, look how great Trump has been doing for us. I used to be a Democrat too. She gets chased out of the dog park because this. And her kids said the same thing in school, same thing. They get accosted by the teachers, you know, by saying something about Trump. And she's telling this story on this massive wake up call and I'm like, you know, this is crazy, Chip. This is like 14 years, you know, after the initial event. Don't hear from them. Now I see these videos, that's a 14 year hiatus of me standing there saying at some point they're coming back to the fold and stuff like this happens over and over and over again. Happened with my cousin Chip. It was the same thing. But I'm sure you have the same stories like this, you know, it's, it's.
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Chip
Worker dude that was like, he was a, he was A lunatic. They called him. They called him Ryan the conspiracy theorist. And. And the thing was, I would always have chats with them, but he wasn't. He wasn't combative. It just was tension. Like, he would tell, you know, I can't believe you do this and that. And the Republicans and this and that's. Hang on a second. Stop swearing at me, number one. He goes, what do you mean? I go, do not call me Republican. I'm not a Republican. I'm not registered as a Republican. I haven't been a Republican. I registered Independent because I loathe and hate most of them because they're rhinos. I do like the ones that do uphold the Republican, you know, ideals. And he, you know, we'd laugh together, joke together. He's a musician. And then he kind of moved. He. He moved up to, I want to say Tennessee. Could get that wrong. Alabama or Tennessee. And then like about a year later, he pings me. I think it was on WhatsApp. He's like, hey, man, how have you been? How's things going? I'm like, good. How is everything? How do you like it up there? He goes, well, I got a confession to make. I go, what is it? He goes. He goes, here? And he shot up. He sent me a video of him talking. I was like. I go, who. Who is this guy and what have you done with Ryan? I was like, what is. What happened to you? He goes, what happened to me is I discovered the lie. He goes, it happened from the day one. We moved in, we had all our neighbors. He said, from surrounding houses, came to our house. They had food ready for us. They welcomed us to the neighborhood. They helped us set everything up. We didn't even know these people. They were all hardcore conservatives, right? They had their flag shirts on. They were. Had their flags in the front of their house. He goes, all the things we heard about these people were lies. These are some of the greatest people in the world. He goes. And then very slowly, I started realizing that it was all a lie. That, you know, the flyover country and the rednecks and all those conversations were like. He's like, I've never met nicer people in my life. And so he. Again, that's just. You're 100 spot on, dude. You can't. It's not about shunning people. And it's like, people will say that. There's a few people that I engage with pretty regularly that are both hail from the UK and people say like, dude, why do you even engage with them? I go, because I want to keep the conversation going. You'll never get through to them. I go, so what if I never get through to them? I'm going to state my case. I'm going to say what I believe in, and I'm going to be strong. I'm going to hold true to it. You can. And, you know, I'm going to call them out when they make lies or they, they miss something. The latest one was someone said, you know, Trump had had his Republicans shoot down the border bill that the Democrats crafted. And I said, dude, you know, that was just a grandstanding BS So they could rave a flag. I go, a rainbow flag, saying, hey, we've done it. I said, and then I, I put the clip of Trump from, from when he gave his address to Congress. He said, you know, the Democrats said, we needed new legislation. Turned out we just needed a new president. I said, day one, Biden came in, got rid of all the executive orders. Day one, Trump was in, border sealed, done. I go, you didn't need anything. And I said, and go back and do some research on the border agents that were complaining that they were, they had to release people. They couldn't let them go, they couldn't do their job. They were told to stand down. So I was like, you know, this happens all the time, you know.
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Jeff
Yeah.
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Chip
So it's hard to admit anybody when you're wrong. I mean, it's not just Democrats. It's almost anybody.
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Jeff
Rarely. But 10, 20 years. But, Chip, it's interesting because just one last story. It's short, but same thing happened with my cousin. And what this is 2016, Trump wins. She was anti Trump, 100 anti Trump. And it was interesting just knowing history. My, my family from that side, that would have been her grandmother was heavily involved in New York politics. I'll leave it at that, you know. Right. Well, right up during the JFK era. And then, and then Fast Forward had buildings named after and everything. So she was heavily involved politically and so Democrat, I should say. Right. So we kind of know where, where their leanings are already. So 2016, my cousin sends this horrible email letter to my aunt and to my mother, basically. I mean, I can't even repeat some of the stuff that she said. But the, the summary of it is, I never want to talk to either one of you ever again. I'm not part of this family anymore. I can't believe you guys support Trump. I can't believe the directors. Half my family are conservatives. And then you have the rest of the family on that, so I don't want anything to do with you guys anymore. I'm leaving the family. And my aunt would put together. I'm sure a lot of families do this. They have one person in the family that always does the family calendar right and gathers all the pictures and does things like that. So. Because I don't even want to be in this calendar anymore. And so, so it was like, I'm like, oh, God. You know, and then two years later. Two years, dude. Two years. So two years into the, into the Trump presidency, both my aunt, my mother get, get an email and a phone call of apology, like an in depth apology saying, I can't believe what I said. You know, I, you know, want to earn, you know, your trust back, whatever, you know, and now it's just like between, you know, my cousin has gone the other way. Like, huge Trump supporter gets out there. She went through, she goes into, she got trained from a security perspective. She saw kind of this rise of anti Semitic attacks in, you know, in different places. So she went through security training. She was already into martial arts and everything and competition goes through security training. Now she goes into these institutions as for security, volunteer security in different events and, you know, and I see and constantly posting stuff about how great Trump is. And also had that big awakening. And it took those first two years to say, oh, my God, I've been lied to my entire life. So by, you know, 2016 and 2018, all these horrible things they said about Trump aren't true. All the fake news, all this stuff. But look at what the Democrats have been doing. Everything they say that they're accusing Trump of doing is exactly what they did. And that was a big wake up call for people. And she's another one. Came back to the fold. And it was, it was just interesting to see. Took her two years, you know, wasn't 14 years, but those two years were very instrumental and totally different relationship. Now she's like fired up. Trump, Trump, Trump. Conservative. You know, it's so interesting.
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Chip
Osmond says he wants to replace them in the family calendar. Jeff, I looked at it. That's pretty, pretty good. All right, let's listen to the rest of this as well.
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Jeff
Okay. Sidetracked.
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D
So there's something fundamentally wrong with that. There's a movement afoot to change that. There are laws being passed now to make it much easier to build in San Francisco and California. We got a lot more work to do there. There's this whole abundance movement. You probably heard Ezra Klein has written a book about it that's catching a lot of fire now to move Dems and the left to this more pragmatic, like we were in the 60s. Let's get shit done. Let's get, you know, let's. Let's just get to work and build housing. So. But that's been a real problem. So it's been an economic version of homelessness that's actually pretty straightforward. And what we got to do, the trickier ones are the drug crisis, because this, this is a culture that actually embraces freedom to take drugs. And I, in my mind, I would break this into two versions of, you know, kind of healthy medicines. And I would say psychedelics fit that. And you'd be surprised how much psychedelics have infiltrated this culture up and down the spectrum. I mean, you know, Elon Musk, for example, I think he's found in, in many ways, enlightenment through that.
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Chip
Right.
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D
Now, you could argue, you can make all kinds of argument about Elon. Let's not. Let's not get too lost there. But in my opinion, those are good medicines that actually help our creativity, and it's part of why this is a creativity machine out here, and that's powerful. Whereas I think in a lot of places in Asia, as we all know, you're going to end up in jail.
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Chip
So.
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C
Yeah, or. Or expelled.
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D
Yeah, or expelled. And I get it, I get it because you don't want chaos. And I guess it looks like chaos, but again, that's why I break it down. I think psychedelics are generally in the category, especially with. With a. A really good guide, guided therapist with psychedelics. I think one of the best medicines that we have in this world today and are incredibly healthy and lead to more compassion, more empathy, more creativity, get you out of sort of broken tracks. That may have made sense when you were 4 or 12 or 20, but don't make sense when you're running a podcast or you're, you know, have more money than you've ever imagined you would have, and you're in a position to do different things. So those are good. Those are good medicines. And I say drugs. Flip side, we have some of the most horrible drugs we've ever faced in society. Fentanyl is just a horrible drug. It just, it kills people. And we have lost. I mean, we're losing 100,000Americans every year. That is shocking. Now, it's a little better this year, but this is where the left let us down because it kind of used the hippie version of freedom to do what you want to do, and it applied it to These horrible drugs that are killing people. And it just kind of almost said, yeah, that person over there in Union Square or wherever in San Francisco who is clearly dying, right? You can clearly look at this person and go, that person is going to die. And you're sort of saying, well, you know, freedom, they have the right to die. So let's just step over them and not force them into help. Now that's bullshit. And that bullshit is going to end. And I think San Franciscans, Californians have realized that that has just gone too far. That's performative bullshit. Freedom. And you're not taking care of your neighbors and your fellow citizens. And that's where tough love comes in. And I've had friends who have gone through this. You intervene and you send, you get them help whether they like it or not. And that's what we got to do on that. And, and we're coming out of that period of letting our fellow citizens die from these horrible drugs.
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Chip
Okay, so I'm going to cut it there. And so now it's progress. But what you see strong throughout this interview is he's identified if this is the left. He's saying, this part of the left is so bad. This part of the left is fantastic. Because especially if you go Back to the 60s now, if you go back to John F. Kennedy, if you go back to the early 60s, you'll see Kennedy's policies today. He'd be called a right wing nut, right? Cut taxes, you know, strong on defense, the whole, you know, Cuban missile crisis. America great to make America great. Like all this stuff. You'd be considered a left loon. Yet he's hailed as probably one of the best democrats ever held the office for president. And even in his short tenure as president, right. Putting a man on the moon, like a very bold vision. Like it was crazy talk. To say we're gonna put somebody on the moon. It says it was absolutely just like crazy. So he's identified this part of the left which is bad, but he's still embracing the whole. So I, I kind of like it. Who's the big guy? Bill Ackman, who's on his journey too. He was like, yeah, this part's no good. So when you start realizing that, okay, well, I love the journey and I love the fact that he's being really transparent, honest here. And look, you gotta respect some opinion. This is a guy that's built amazing companies. I mean, he had two amazing companies before this. And on top of, you know, putting ripple together, which at the time seemed a Little bit nutty about. And then coming up with, you know, the way they were getting open coin, they redubbed it xrp. I think it was called ripple coin back in the day. But vision that he had. The guy is a smart dude, and it's like, you have respect where he's coming from. That's his. His journey. Everyone's journey is different now. I just, I've been conservative my whole life. I never was in that track. I mean, I went to Trump's very first rally in Boca Raton, Florida, when he was toying with running against Obama in his second term in 2013. I followed the man. I largely got into sales because of. Of his book. You know, I mean, this whole everyone has a different journey and how they get there. And listen, people go like, oh, man, I can't believe that. The first couple of Trump, you know, through the first term, I hated him. But now I really saw the light. Or Biden with. I kind of saw the good. It doesn't matter. And you're right, it comes back to thing. Be ready to embrace people when they come. It's a large tent. It had. There's room for everybody, you know, and this is like. I feel like in this particular. This particular interview is good. It's a really transparent interview. The guy did a great job, like seeing the real Chris Larson, you know, even drops an app. It's like he's just being real. Like you're having a conversation. This is, this is what you can have. And you know, through the. Through podcasting, this is largely what you have on the conservative side, this whole thing, right? This, the right side, the left side, all this stuff, it's like, it's. It gets lost on the buzzwords. Yeah, it's. It's. There's a lot of noise. It's like, you know, you really want to filter the noise. It's all about signal. It's all about the pudding, you know, and then come what's coming out of this. You know, you have like, what's her name? Pocahontas out there, you know, screaming about Trump doesn't have the ability to drop. Well the war powers that he does have the ability. And how many. How many missile strikes did Obama and Biden do? They went out and made. Got it thinking about it.
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Jeff
They killed. They killed people through drones all day long. Didn't even. No one said a word about it.
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Chip
Party. But by mistake, right? I mean, there's so much. So much just gobbly goop and like, it's almost like we like you can say it wasn't true. And you go back to the video, I'm like, here's all somebody put that. Assemble a video. Every time Obama went to the mic, Biden went to the mic, you know.
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Jeff
But the reason why they think that is it goes back to what he said, the compassion. They think, they truly believe that they're compassionate and that that's the joke of it all. They think that they're compassionate. But to Chris Larson's defense, in his early years, these guys look at the built the companies they built. To get to the point where they built those companies, they had to be so hyper focused on building those companies, they didn't think about anything else. You know, and, and he was building financial companies for a very long time, but hyper focused on all of that. All of a sudden he starts getting into politics years later. But all those years he's just been focused on building this company building company. And so like you said, he has this amazing track record. Then he wakes up from building his companies and he's like, I want to get into politics. But his politics go back to where he used to be, what he thought he was and what he think. You know, he has all these ideas of what he thinks. Some for some reason there's still this, this burden and, and guilt trip that these people have, you know, and they start going into this idea of compassion and again, it has nothing to do with compassion. But. And then they have the wake up call and all of that. Then there's some people that are just going to be crazy. Like you mentioned Pocahontas. I mean, come on, you know, she's in it for the power and the wealth and the money and you know, she's never gonna be compassionate about anybody. You don't care. You know, it's about her and it's about the people she supports and that's it. And, and nothing else.
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Chip
He was a 28 year knock on the door Democrat when they were anti war and pro union. The 60s left does not exist anymore. We support Trump now.
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Jeff
Yeah, yeah.
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Chip
You know a lot of the, and Charles needs to change his, his name there. Instead of saying Charles Tamarello, it's. She changed it to Charles in parentheses. Badass winner.
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Jeff
Badass.
- [60:22]
Chip
He wins all the badass that he's Badass winner. He's a winner, man.
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Jeff
Before I play our, our great song that we made for today, I just a comment and it's interesting because Zober and Meme put the comment out here and I, I want to disagree with, with their comments here, but. And maybe you will as well. So it'll be interesting to get your feedback first and then I'll kind of give mine. People in crypto have a better understanding of what's really going on.
- [60:51]
Chip
Not all. There's a lot of lefties on the. In the crypto space and you know.
- [60:56]
Jeff
Many of them are. So then the last one here. Hey, before we get to that, then here's the other one. Anyone in crypto not awake?
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Chip
Oh, plenty. Yeah, plenty.
- [61:07]
Jeff
There's. There's a lot. It amazed every day how many chip.
- [61:11]
Chip
Oh, it's. I get hammered all the time and non stop.
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Jeff
And then we have the people that they kind of go down these paths. I will compare. Put them into the bucket, the libertarian bucket. And for some reason there's a lot of libertarians or crypto enthusiasts that fall right into that libertarian bucket. And the problem with the libertarian bucket is that they're basically democrats that think they're for limited government and they believe every single conspiracy that the left has, plus others, you know, and. And they'll kind of navigating, they're on this, on the seesaw, kind of going back and forth. And. And that to me is those are the ones that aren't awake. You know, it's like you have all the crypto, you got all this information, then you don't really know what to do with it and you end up being a libertarian and you're kind of trapped before you put up Osmond, which I think is really great. Let's play this. Let's play this because that's kind of a nice division diversion.
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Chip
An hour already.
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Jeff
An hour. I know. I can't believe it. And we got good viewership, so overall, I mean we've got like 300 plus, so really cool. All right. We haven't even played. We're supposed to play at the bottom of the hour. Then we get. There was a political squirrel that we were chasing.
- [62:28]
Chip
Yeah, that happens.
- [62:29]
Jeff
It's almost like the iguana in the backyard. We get all this wildlife, but anyhow. Here, let me play this. Here we go.
- [62:40]
E
Are you ready to end a badass yeti from the white tribe of the clan Guardians? Guardians of the seven elders, protect us of the ancient way the fiercest and the wisest. He could be yours today. Come on, get ready now. Do you know the word of the day? Come on, come on. Shall we J J J Stomp it and stand our ground get your diamond wallet ready we're not around this ain't no rug Pull this Is your legacy, this is your just reward. Claim your badass yet or fade into the unknown is on the chain.
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Chip
Bam. Dude on the chain.
- [64:36]
Jeff
Bam.
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Chip
That was awesome. That was awesome. Yeah, I can explain it to you guys. Can you explain the HealthC Care Service in America? The non Americans listen to your show here. I have an idea but I can believe how bad it is built for Americans. We are lucky in the uk. I don't know if you're still, I don't know how you're lucky. I mean. Yeah, I'll tell you what is. It's not a perfect system. It has a lot of flaws to it, I will guarantee you that. But I don't necessarily. There's things that I don't care who's running the show. Conservatives, Democrats, government should be very small, it should be limited. It's none of that. It's massive, it's, it eats itself, it's, it's, it's a giant mess. But I'll tell you I do not want the government involved in my health care. I don't want the government involved in most things that I do. Provide for the common defense. Take care of the road, you know, the inter continental road system. Right. I'll do all that stuff. I don't want you like what do I what I don't want you doing that. It's pretty simple. It's usually attached to a workplace so most of the time the workplace will cover most of the expense of it. They cover usually depending on the kind of employer you go to work for they'll cover somewhere in the neighborhood of let's 80 to 90%. You know my previous employer covered 100% me and 95, 90% of the family. So my contribution was a couple hundred dollars a month. You know, it was pretty simple. Now if you're self employed you got to go get your own insurance and you have different plans you can pick from but you basically pay into the insurance. So then when you go see a doctor and there's different levels, you got PPOs, you have these, you have these tiered levels. So the cheapest level is if you go to a doctor and you need to see a specialist, you need some, that doctor to write a referral and they go that if you have a, a higher tiered plan which I always have, you just go see anybody you want. They have to be in what they call the network, in other words they got to take that insurance. There's a bunch of different big providers here and you basically, if you, the provider itself, if you are Almost taken everywhere. Now, there's some little nuances to that. Sometimes a doctor, because there's a lot of paperwork, there may be one plan they don't want to take. But for the most part I've never run into it where any of the doctors that I've seen or have gone to, they're like, oh, we don't take this plan, but sometimes they will. I don't support our units and there's a cash judge, you could probably. You're better equipped to discuss the cash portion of how a lot movements happening here.
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Jeff
Yeah, so you brought up a good point. And I do want, you know, for those that are not in the US we do have, you know, a structured system here and what Chip is basically referencing. And if you compare it to like the UK where you have limited access to proper health care, meaning your emergency care, your everyday care, if you wanted to go and get a CT scan or an MRI scan tomorrow, you can't do it. In many countries, the U.K. canada, there's, there's a lot of countries that you would think that you would have ready access to the type of care that you would want in the U. S Market tomorrow, if you wanted to have a CT scan done or an MRI scan done and you wanted to pay cash for it, you can go get it done. If you want to be covered by insurance, your doctor can refer you to go have a CT scan done. If it's required, MRI scan, X ray, whatever it is, you can go get it done tomorrow. There's no real big wait. You know, there are certain insurance plans like Chip had mentioned, that might be a little more limited and you're designated to only go to some, to limited numbers of imaging centers or hospitals or whatever it is, but you can get it done. Now the problems within the health care tiers is that for the most part our health care plan has been stacked up, backed by the pharmaceutical industry, meaning that they're going to prescribe certain pharmaceuticals that are going to disrupt your biochemistry and are going to cause more problems than what they're actually solving. The objective in many of these scenarios is surgery, right? They don't, they don't want you to recover from whatever ailment you have. They want to drag it on as much as they can. They want to keep you moving forward within the system, to keep coming back. There's no incentive for them to get you better or to help. Preventative measures, even though now there's a huge amount of talk about preventative measure, which is a big change in the industry. And so, you know, if we think about like, let's say you have, I don't know, you have, you have some sort of a tendinopathy, let's say you have golfer's elbow or a tennis elbow, or you have a back issue, whatever it might be, a shoulder issue, whatever it might be. They are going, you go to a traditional doctor. The first thing they're typically going to recommend is a steroid injection. The steroid injection is going to disrupt your body. It's going to break down your muscle tissue, it's going to break down your tendon. If you have multiple steroid injections the same location, you're going to cause a lot of damage. And at the end it's going to be surgery. So you're going to, you know, destroy the tendon, destroy the muscle and it's going to break down the bone. And yet all there's all these risk factors, they all know about it. But the objective then is surgery. Now you know what CHIP is bringing up cash based medicine. I think Joe Bud said if you're wealthy and in the United States you have access to the best and, and I have to agree with that. But it's affordable. You can get access to true health care if you are willing to spend a little bit of money out of pocket. Now in the United States, people have insurance. Your deductibles in the United States are ridiculous. Your out of pocket cost for regular medical care is probably five to $8,000 per year that you're spending out of pocket. You know, for most things, even though you, you know, you'll get, you know, coverage, but every time you go to the doctor, you're going to pay something. If you go get whatever it is, you're going to pay something out of pocket. People are willing to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on lunch and on garbage food. Right? Right. You go get a coffee, go spend 10, 15 a day on coffee. Think about how much money you spent at the end of a month. Now if you took that same dollar and you invested in your healthcare, meaning go to a cash based medicine doctor that understands, you know how, how to be preventative, you're going to be in a much better spot. I prefer cash pay systems over insurance based systems because I think the insurance pay medical system has corrupted medicine. It's going to be just like the politicians. It's going to always answer to somebody else and not the patient. The entire structure. If you go to a medical practice and you see them stacking patients up back to back to back to Back you have five minutes with the doctor and the doctor will never understand or take the time to understand your history or what's going to be better for you. They're going to stick to a general talking point just like the food pyramid. They think that everybody has to be within this food pyramid. They don't understand macros or they don't understand protein intakes or carbohydrate intakes or vitamin intake or they don't understand any of that stuff, which is mind boggling to me. Many of them don't even understand or recognize anatomical structure properly under imaging guidance, you know, so they have to be educated to that. They don't understand how to balance your biochemistry. This is newer medicine. If you go to Germany, if you go to Japan, if you go to Korea, you go to South America. There's lots of countries that have been, have implemented India, they have implemented preventative health care measure that is beyond anything you could ever imagine. And you know, they prevent so many different things because there's technology out there, there's preventative measure to regulate your body, to balance your body. And there's things that can be done that due to the FDA guidance prevent us from doing that here. You know, so cash based medicine, Chip brought it up. Think about, you know, if you go to like a regenerative medicine, let's say you have an issue, a pain issue and they have something called prp, which is a platelet rich plasma and they basically take your blood, spin your blood, process it, extract out and concentrate the platelets. They might take 60ml blood and they'll concentrate it down to you know, maybe one to three milliliters, whatever it might be. And so you get this concentration of the platelets, of the growth factors, of all the healing properties in your blood and then they'll re inject that back into your body. In the United States that's all they can do. It's called minimal manipulation. If you go to other countries they can then take that and they can culture it and they can take that concentration and magnify it by 10, 20, 30 times and then reinject it. You can take stem cells out of bone marrow, you can take stem cells out of adipose fat and you can process and concentrate the stem cells which are the building blocks. And in other countries they can culture it and they can again take let's say a hundred thousand and magnify it to 10 million and then re inject it back in for healing. In the US they can't do it because of the fda, as soon as, if you do anything beyond that processing, they look at it like a pharmaceutical. And so the FDA has been very instrumental in blocking a lot of access to different things like that. And again we see, you know, I mean it's amazing. Ivermectin, all those different things that you know are readily available. What you can do with your body, balancing hormone optimization, traditional medicine, we'll say testosterone is bad. You get into preventative health care. They not only understand how to up your testosterone levels and regulate it, but they also understand how to look at all the other building blocks to make sure that everything is balanced, you know, from, from your thyroid levels to your vitamin B levels to everything. And then you go to traditional medicine and they say, oh, you need this little minuscule amount of vitamin D when access, when in actuality you need this much vitamin D. You know, same thing with your vitamin B's based on the food pyramid. It's like, oh, everybody just needs this little minimal amount traditional healthcare. The body needs more. And so they talk about all these different things and it's interesting. So can there. Do you have access to it? Yeah, they're everywhere, you know, these health optimism and they're not all equal. Not all the doctors are going to be great. You know, they're not all as educated. They're trying to get educated. You can find regenerative medicine places, you can find health optimization places. They're all over the place. And it's interesting, Chip, it really is. And you go educate yourself. You just got to do some searching. Right. I mean it to me is amazing. Healthcare is readily available pretty much to everybody. That kind of healthcare, you'll pay out of pocket, but you're paying out of pocket for other things. You just gotta go do it, you know, then you have Medicaid and HMOs. That's a whole different business and discussion. But pretty much. Chip, at the end of the day, everybody has access to medical care in the United States. Yeah. They can't bring them down. There's a, there's a path. It's not always.
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Chip
I want to talk about this. Big food feeds big farmer to suck a person's life savings so it can't be given to their heirs or state keeps the plebs on the plantation. That's 100 true. I was going to bring up this point, but then I saw the Chad put it in here. Thanks to John D. Rockefeller for our medical system in string rabbit hole research. So it was a lot of the. Obviously they had the oil and they wanted to start putting, you know, this is what the modern pharmaceutical. So that's when the US switched over from natural remedies over to pharma. And it was all about, I mean a lot of it's largely driven by greed and by money and systems and everything. This is one of the reasons about, you know, I'm happy that Kennedy is in there, he's making some changes. They're not fast enough, in my opinion. I don't care if you're going to take your garbage out of your product in 2027. How about you have 30 days or you close your shop down and figure out how to get it done. How about you have to the end of the year? Who cares if you're gonna do it in two or three years from now? I, I don't, I personally don't care. You know, it's like, stay away from doctors. Well, at some point you do need something. But. Yeah, but Jeff and I are in the, you know, believe in also see, you know, into health optimization and it's a cash, it's a cash pay, right. So, but again, I, I prefer that too. And like, you know, people, I see people all the time on my Facebook feed that I go once in a while or someone on battle, I'm doing chemo. I'm like, dude, why are you doing chemo? Please look at the Joe Tippins protocol. I'll send you a peer reviewed study on fenbenzanol mixed with ivermectin and how it's curing, you know, a pretty wide multitude of, of cancers. So you have to figure out how to, you know, there's so much available out there. If you're looking, if you're going to look. But I think pharma is going to close down. I think AI is going to kill pharma because what's ultimately going to happen is you'll be able to manufacture, you'll be able to get like natural, like things that are going to work. Because when you have all kinds of research and you're trying to figure out something, the way pharma works is it's, it's. They're not looking. Jeff mentioned this earlier. They're not looking for a cure. They're looking to keep you alive long enough so that you can suck it dry on the system. Right? You have a patient, you want patience for life. It starts with the vaccines and the, you know, in the 60s you only got a couple vaccines. Now in the 90s they added like, you get like 30, some vaccines. A kid has to give this is what, 10 days of all this garbage. And if you look at the Amish, this was the true test. They didn't, they, they didn't get Covid. They didn't get the vaccine. And your body's designed, you know, so funny. Remember they told you not to go outside? Oh, yeah. So don't get vitamin D from the sun. No, we don't want vitamin D. Was. Was absolutely essential during the COVID thing. And now at least you can conversations because there's proven studies. Joe, we could have had this conversation four years ago, three years ago, when Covid was raging. We would have been boom. If channel would have been taken down because you know, the peop. And the fact is, is like the doctors out there who were, who were board certified doctors were saying like, here's my research. And they were just getting canceled. They were getting a medical license change. This was happening worldwide. This is when you knew it was just a scam, an absolute 100 scam.
- [79:23]
Jeff
I want to see, honestly want to see the doctors that bought into the vaccine, the COVID thing, that bought into it hook, line and sinker and was forcing it on their patients. I would like to see them held accountable and I would like to see a path to revoking their medical license. I really believe that they bought into something they didn't research and they put their patients in danger by, you know, how they, how they worked with them and the fact those same doctors spoke out against the doctors that had a differing opinion. I believe there has to be a level of accountability based on what was happening. And I, I don't know if we're ever going to see that. I don't know that they'll hold them accountable. You can't go and do something and try to force people into taking something and then make them feel lesser or trying to, you know, make it sound like because you're the medical professional, you know what you're doing. And that is not the case, unfortunately. You know, they're human beings. They don't have all the answers. They've done a little bit extra time in school. They, they didn't even research more in depth. Some of them have. Those are the ones that, you know, have woken up just like everything else. You know, you're going to have some people that do amazing things, others that just go with the flow. And the ones that, and, and the ones that go with the flow and they speak out against people doing amazing things. You have to really question why. You know, the why, like, why are you doing that? The, the Last point on all of this would be, you know, why do we need day to day health care coverage? It's such a, it's such a joke. Why do we have to have health care coverage to go and see our doctor for anything? The only reason why you need healthcare coverage is for emergency scenarios, correct? Catastrophic emergency scenarios. You have to go into the hospital, you have to, you have a car accident, you have something extreme. Day to day stuff you tell, you know, it's crazy. I don't, you know, you go to the eye doctor, you can't spend 100 bucks on the eye doctor. You're going to spend $8,000 a year. So you can go to the eye doctor once a year and spend a hundred bucks or you're going to go to the dentist and it's going to cost you a thousand dollars, but you're going to spend $8,000 a year to do that. But if you have an emergency scenario, then, you know, maybe you need. And so when you start leveraging and looking at the amount of out of pocket expense on the healthcare and, and how much. Now the thing is, just like education and we talk about that when the government backs loans to students that are 18 years old and allows them to take $400,000 out and then those students are now stuck and they're stuck into these high tuition costs. And why do the universities keep raising tuition costs? Because the government's giving loans to these kids and they keep raising the amount that they're. So the universal, like, I'm going to keep raising my tuition costs. What used to cost 10,000 is now 80,000. What changed? Nothing changed. Nothing changed. The professor's knowledge isn't any different. The same knowledge, same thing with health care. It's all money. You go into a doctor's office and that, and they have no idea how much something costs. Are you kidding me? Like, how much is this office? But I don't know, your insurance will cover it. What's my copay? That's all you care about is your copay. You know, I mean, and then you, you have a procedure done and they have to end the doctor's office game. It's a game also because the poor doctor office, they're trying to run a business. They're not at fault. They're trying to, they're trying to collect money from the insurance companies. And in many cases the insurance companies are doing everything they can not to pay the doctor. So everybody's trapped in this, in this vicious hamster wheel. And at some point we're Gonna have to say, hey, you know what? Enough. I want to go into my doctor's office. I want it to be like McDonald's. I want to see a menu board. I want to know what everything costs. And then I'm going to go to the doctor down the street. I'm going to start doctor shopping. I want the best value doctor. I want the most knowledgeable doctor. And I want to get a good value for $$ today.
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Chip
AI is changing a lot. So it's going to bring a lot of this stuff. It's going to put pharma on a biz. Because when you have regular cures for cancer, to be like, all right, great. Do. This always happens in the gut. Gut health is key and important.
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Jeff
Yeah.
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Chip
Mental illness and all the kind of stuff, what people eat, how their guts are, a lot of conditions of, you know, intestinal stuff. Like, you just got to be able to spend some time doing some research on, you know, again. But that I also feel like, yeah, well, let's. Let's not even get that. Let's pull the drawing.
- [83:49]
Jeff
Let me play the song one more time only because it was a lot of work put into this song. And, you know, it's so perfect and so great and then so much fun. Let me just play this original.
- [83:58]
Chip
We're only gonna play it twice. You only hear it twice.
- [83:59]
Jeff
So you only hear it twice and you'll never hear it ever again.
- [84:02]
Chip
Well, you might.
- [84:07]
Jeff
Never say never. That's true.
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E
Are you ready to end a badass yeti from the white tribe of the clan Guardians? Guardians of the seven elves, us. Protect us of the ancient way, the fiercest and the wisest. He could be yours today. Come on, get ready now. Do you know the word of God of the day? Come on, come on. Get it. Mark it. Stomp it and stand our ground. Get your summit wallet ready. We're not around. This ain't no rug. Pull. This is your legacy. This is your just reward. Claim your best yet or fade into the unknown. Not on the chain.
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Jeff
Visual. V. We're not around.
- [86:09]
Chip
Have a little.
- [86:10]
Jeff
Little fun with things here. Thank you, Jim. D. Appreciate.
- [86:15]
Chip
Appreciate. So. Hey, Utah.
- [86:18]
Jeff
All right.
- [86:18]
Chip
Get me a meatloaf sandwich.
- [86:22]
Jeff
All right.
- [86:24]
Chip
Do it.
- [86:24]
Jeff
Yeti.
- [86:28]
Chip
Got the wrong screen going on there. Stop. Share present. Here we go.
- [86:34]
Jeff
Who's gonna win? Who's gonna win?
- [86:37]
Chip
Oh, I know what I did. I see what I did.
- [86:40]
Jeff
Oh, should I close my spreadsheet?
- [86:43]
Chip
I see what I did. There it is. We will get to the topics we're going to get to today.
- [86:51]
Jeff
Tomorrow we had a lot that I don't think we talked about. But hang on, let me pull up the spreadsheet real quick so I don't forget, and then I gotta put the song up. Badass Yeti. There we go. Get the inventory list going. Make sure I got that up. All right, two seconds. Get ready. Get ready to roll. Get ready to roll. How many?
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Chip
21. Let's go. No, it's one in one in 21 chance here. Chocolate.
- [87:39]
Jeff
Chocolate Tobler.
- [87:42]
Chip
Where's Chocolate Tobler? Chocolate Tobler, are you in the house? Chocolate Tobler, you got a report in.
- [87:48]
Jeff
Chocolate to Chocolate Chocolate. Oh, yes. Chocolate Tobler. Like, threw it in right at the last second, too. It was like, the last one. Boom. Look at that. Look at that.
- [88:05]
Chip
Yeah. 946. And here we are.
- [88:06]
Jeff
New name. Never. Never seen Chocolate Tobler before.
- [88:09]
Chip
All right, well, dude, you guys.
- [88:11]
Jeff
Wallet.
- [88:14]
Chip
Need your.
- [88:15]
Jeff
Get your Zen wallet ready.
- [88:18]
Chip
Getting the Z wallet. Very cool. Very cool. Chocolate over Chocolate.
- [88:22]
Jeff
Chocolate to. Do you have a. A Zamen wallet? Get your zom wallet ready.
- [88:27]
Chip
47. He's a winner.
- [88:29]
Jeff
Look at that. Look at. Look at Charles talking about rigged.
- [88:33]
Chip
Biggest winner of all time here. Yeah, Charles, Charles, Charles. Badass Yeti winner. Tomarello.
- [88:44]
Jeff
Beautiful Badass Yeti winner.
- [88:50]
Chip
You see what I'm saying? Drop it. Yeah, thanks for that, Chad. Thanks. Thanks for. Appreciate that. We always forget to say that. We need that.
- [88:58]
Jeff
Definitely need it. All right, let me go.
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Chip
This is funny. He says, I suspect it's Tom Morello's Alt X account.
- [89:08]
Jeff
It could very well be. We never know.
- [89:13]
Chip
Like, hey, this one later.
- [89:17]
Jeff
Okay, Chocolate Toddler, we need to get a Zama. If you have your Zama wallet put in there. If you don't have a Zama wallet, you got to let us know right away.
- [89:25]
Chip
We have to repo, man.
- [89:26]
Jeff
We'll have to repo. Unfortunately, then we'd have to. We gotta have a Zamen wallet, and we need your address. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, how do I DM you? I have a Zaman wallet. You can paste the. Paste it right in here if you want to DM us.
- [89:43]
Chip
Yeah, I want to. So let me. Yeah, I'll tell you what I'll do, is I'll give you my Twitter. You need to be following me. And then you need to. You need to send it over.
- [89:53]
Jeff
There we go. Throw that in there. Going. Yep. Husband. Next draw should be a free health care check in the doctor's office. Yeah.
- [90:10]
Chip
Oh, dude. What are you saying? What are you saying?
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Jeff
What are you saying? Throw it in there. That way, Chocolate Toddler can DM you.
- [90:21]
Chip
Yeah, DM me. Dude, you got to be following me. And go to X right away.
- [90:27]
Jeff
DM it over so we can get it. Let me. I'll put it in here.
- [90:32]
Chip
Chocolate, my messages. I got nothing so far.
- [90:40]
Jeff
Chocolate. Chocolate. And it is number 12. Badass Yeti number 12. 6:28. Today's 28 June, if anybody was interested. Let me put this bad boy. You saw him in the song. I'll put him up on the. On the screen. Check him out. Chocolate Toddler. Chocolate Tamarello.
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Chip
Dude, you gotta. You have to. You have to. You have to DM me.
- [91:28]
Jeff
Maybe he's got to follow you. By the way, this is it right here, Chip. Look at how badass. Look how badass this guardian is.
- [91:40]
Chip
Hey, there you go, dude.
- [91:41]
Jeff
Look at how beautiful this thing is, man. It just. Every time I see these one after, they're just amazing to me. Look at his weapons belt. Little Yeti grenades over here. This might be a little old me.
- [91:58]
Chip
I mean, I don't know. Maybe we're not following me.
- [92:02]
Jeff
Look at that. So cool. He probably has to follow you then. You might have to follow him too, Chip, for him to DM me.
- [92:14]
Chip
I don't know what his handle is.
- [92:15]
Jeff
Oh, right. That's right. Oh, that's true. It hasn't followed you yet. Chocolate tumbler. You have a. If you have an X handle, put it in here as well. Visual vendetta said, guys got to do an animated series. Dude, we did that. You did that one. Clip. Kick ass clip. You know, the guy running that we're using. And then we need to. That'd be cool. If we can do more and kind of stack them up. That'd be really cool. Cool. I like it. Do some animation. Oh, yeah. Okay. New penalty redraw. Jeff Sutton. And that's where we. That's where. Where's the YouTube? Got to go to the YouTube to see if anything's getting posted here. I see your post, then I see nothing from. Come on, Chocolate. There he is. There it is, Chip. You see it? His X handle.
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Chip
There it is. Okay. NC Panther fan. Okay.
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Jeff
Panther fan from North Carolina.
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Chip
Is that the Florida Panthers?
- [93:30]
Jeff
No, probably not North Carolina. Okay.
- [93:43]
Chip
We follow each other.
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Jeff
Oh, yeah. Then you should be able to DM you. Boom. Just like that. You shoot him a message.
- [93:53]
Chip
Yeah.
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Jeff
Easy, easy, easy. Squeezy.
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Chip
Okay. I just sent you a dm, man.
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Jeff
NC Panthers fan. Sports fan. But you know what it says when you. When you lock. It says it's locked for Some reason there's a lock next to. Next to his name. These posts are protected. Only approved followers can see. So then I can't. So if you get a pen. But if you're already following them, you should be able to message him.
- [94:29]
Chip
I did message him.
- [94:30]
Jeff
Okay, cool. Then he should be able to message you back.
- [94:33]
Chip
Oh, I didn't follow back. Hang on. My bad. Yeah, I think he had his DMs open anyway, though. Now you can DM me. There we go. Look at that Complicated stuff, boys and girls.
- [94:48]
Jeff
Look at that. Nor coffee ordered. Minor problem, but great flavor.
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Chip
That is really good, man. It really is good. I mean, yeah, Jeff and I tried so many coffees. There's something great about freshly roasted. Did you get that in a couple days. My God, it's such a game changer. Okay, man, he just checked me. He's okay. Hey, Chip. Chocolate toddler. This is my. Here's my zombie. Okay, cool.
- [95:12]
Jeff
All right, sweet. Please post that bad boy in the thing so I can. Oh, I got him over there. What am I doing? Do you get it?
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Chip
You don't have to transcribe it. He says I have to transcribe it. Just hit copy and paste. Copy, copy, paste.
- [95:36]
Jeff
Otherwise I'll take a while. All right. Ally, it's 12pm over there. 12am Maybe.
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Chip
Oh, so it's Sunday already.
- [95:46]
Jeff
It's late night. 12pm 12am as it's 10 here, so it's got to be 12 over there. It's midnight. It's late. Australia has it perfect, you know, because they tune into the show starts at 10:00pm you know, on when we do the morning show and then we do the evening show. It starts at 10am they got it like perfect. Everybody over in Europe, UK and whatever. We started eight and they're already into the wee hours of the morning. It's crazy.
- [96:18]
Chip
You don't have to transcribe anything. When you go to your Zaman wallet. Let's see. I will tell you.
- [96:23]
Jeff
All right, so you guys see a manana. 8pm Eastern Standard Time.
- [96:30]
Chip
Son, you go to your. When you go to your wallet, you go. Make sure you're on the right one. And then you hit receive. And then you hit copy. That's it. That's all there is to it.
- [96:43]
Jeff
Thank you and good night.
- [96:45]
Chip
Yep. You hit receive.
- [96:47]
Jeff
It's tomorrow.
- [96:49]
Chip
And you hit share. You can hit copy. Just copy it and then paste on. Simple.
- [96:54]
Jeff
That's right.
- [96:55]
Chip
Complex people.
- [96:57]
Jeff
All right, that's it.
- [97:02]
Chip
On his phone.
- [97:04]
Jeff
Could work.
- [97:06]
Chip
Yeah, but it's just. I use the Zaman app. Just copy and paste, man.
- [97:13]
Jeff
Yeah, you should be able to just copy and paste it. Wef, Patsy, great show. There you go. There you have it.
- [97:28]
Chip
Get some good clips to it. It's gonna be good tomorrow. We're gonna do more stuff. We just got derailed for a little bit. Go ahead, email. We'll email it. We can probably take this offline, so.
- [97:38]
Jeff
Yeah, we'll send you. Yeah, send them DMM our email. We'll take it offline. We'll get it to. You mean that you're working on it. Just get it to us and we got a few other things to do and then we'll plug it in. We got you as a winner. And if anybody is out there, there are two unclaimed yetis right now. Zed still hasn't claimed and Zober, Zober, you haven't claimed your yeti. There's a badass yeti. Let me show you if Zober is still here with us.
- [98:09]
Chip
As long as hype, fellas. Got me hyped. I love it.
- [98:13]
Jeff
Got hyped. So, Zober, let me show you badass yeti that is sitting in our wallet.
- [98:21]
Chip
Email. We'll do this offline, guys. But congratulations, Chocolate Tober. You are now in the winter. So you have a badass yeti. Very cool. If you guys want to support the channel, you can go to the badass yetis over there. Just type, go into XRP Cafe. Type in badass Yetis. You'll see the blue tribe and the white tribe come up. And then if you want, you can go. Go either, either. You can either purchase one of the ones that someone's reselling and see exactly what you're going to get, or you click the mint and you get a mystery one.
- [98:48]
Jeff
Right? Yeah. Zober, this bad boy is yours. And he's still in our wallet. So you got to accept the transfer from. I'll tell you when we sent that. We sent that transfer you won on 6:18. So that was like 10 days ago. And it's still sitting in the wall. So check that out. Log into XRP Cafe, then you can set up your wallet in there. And then you can easily just go to. When you're in your wallet, you can go to history and you can go check out all the different things.
- [99:21]
Chip
That's all we have, guys. Come back tomorrow night. We'll hit the stories we didn't get to today and we'll. We'll talk. We'll see you guys on the next one. Have a great weekend, everybody.
- [99:30]
Jeff
Right there. Your history offers. See you on the next. Are you down with otc? Please, like, subscribe and click the bell.
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Chip
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