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Welcome everybody. This is Jeff Dutton and we are on the home front. If you are an author of nine books including Ageless Future and the Peptide Blueprint, if you are the founder of Go Wellness, an education platform for healthcare professionals, and if you are the mastermind behind East West Health, an award winning wellness Center Established in 2004, your name can only be Reagan Archibald. Welcome, Reagan.
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That's a great introduction. I love that.
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Ah, thank you. It's ours. It's ours until it's, until it's stolen. But yeah. Well, hey, thanks for being on. I have known you for probably over a year and I've also been a client of East West Health and I had fantastic results from the treatments that I engaged with your company on. And really excited to get down to health, Executive health, men's health, aging, all of the things that people like me are thinking about all the time. Can we get started by sharing just a little bit about your background kind of maybe real quick where you grew up, how you grew up, and how that influenced to who you are today?
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Yeah, well, I think the, the biggest motivator and you probably have clients like this and you probably have experienced this yourself, but the things that we don't want to do when we're kids in life are the things that drives us towards a different direction. So I grew up on a cattle ranch in Idaho and I wanted to be anything but a farmer when I grew up. So I, my uncle was a doctor and I said, I want to be like Lester J. And so I actually just went and studied biology. I, you know, was buying books at the little natural health food store when I was like 14 and reading books on nutrition. In fact, one basketball game, I gave the entire team 8 grams of vitamin C because I read it can help with endurance. And by about the first, first quarter, we all ended up like running to the bathroom and so we could barely keep five players on the court. Gave everyone diarrhea pretty severely. But, but I learned from a young age that the body can heal if you give it the right, right things. And, and even natural medicine, I learned, can be a little bit dangerous if you don't use it in the right way.
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Well, anything in the right doses, right, we can, we can deal with, we can deal with acute things, doses of things, one time. But you know, taking anything in excess over a period of time, you have to be very careful. Yeah. Yep, true.
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Even water, I mean, you can, you can, you can actually die from over consumption of water faster than you can from dehydration.
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Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. I'd like to start at the top of the house and, and with this umbrella of executive or concierge medicine.
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Yeah.
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And so years ago I started a, I, I was, when I was, when I was finishing up a company, I was getting ready to sell it after 25 years, I was like, what's next for me? And I was in my late 40s and I had realized that I was lose, I was getting some brain fog, I was losing muscle mass, my energy was down at that point. I hadn't got, gotten hormone therapy or, or I hadn't explored testosterone levels. And so there was just a lot going on with me. I just didn't feel like my best self. I was gaining weight and, and I, I, I started looking around at all of these different therapies for cognitive decline. Electronic stimulant. I looked at hormone therapy, I looked at cold plunges, I looked at, you know, and, and I really, and I, and I went out and I started finding different places to get blood panels done and then to, to get people to interpret those and to tell me like what I thought was missing at one point. More recently I went out and I got a DNA study done.
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Yeah.
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And really, you know, with, with the mapping of the genome, I don't know if that had a lot to do with it, but then the ability to, to analyze your DNA and to connect four or five the seemingly unrelated strands, saying if you have this combination then you're, you're more susceptible to Alzheimer's or these types of chronic conditions later in life, which I found fascinating. And now last week I'm listening to Elon Musk's latest on Joe Rogan. We're sitting here for reference in the beginning of March of 2025. So Musk has been ripping through the, the bureaucracy with his, with Doge Tesla, orders are down by 45% globally. And you know, and he's just, and, but what he said was he goes, you know, you can take your blood panels and you could put it in Grok AI and it will give you a prescriptive view, you know, what are you missing and what do you need? And you know, many of these things are available sometimes even over the counter. So as you look at this, this emerging, so around 20, 19, 20, I created this location based franchise concept called 45Plus. And I figured, and I, I figured it was be 50 plus, but I wanted to get a bigger audience so I moved it down to 45. I probably could have moved it to 40, but it was going to be a combination of all of these concierge, executive, men's aging things. And ultimately, I didn't follow through on it. I, I pitched it to some other people I thought would be good partners, and there was just other priorities. But then this thing called Game Game Day Men's Health came out, and I think it's mainly a hormone therapy thing, but they ended up selling thousands of these things and they're opening. So it's, obviously, there's a need for it. People are interested in it. So what's your take on the current state of executive or concierge medicine, maybe particularly for men? And what types of things does east west health do to combat aging man? Well, and that's 84 questions before I gave you a chance to answer. So I'll just, I'll be, I'll be back in an hour.
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You're like, I know how he's going to answer this. So the, I think what the, the world of concierge medicine is, you know, we, we're now waking up to the fact that the conventional therapies just didn't work. I mean, when I was at the University of Utah, I was misdiagnosed by five doctors. They all missed the, the fact that I had, has I had an autoimmune disease because they didn't run the right labs. And so I got obsessed with finding data and really looking at the evidence around what the cause of the cause is, not just, not just finding a diagnosis. And I think that's why, you know, different companies like concierge medicine is we actually want things to be personalized. Like, like we didn't go through your program, Jeff, and say, hey, we're going to put you on what we put everyone on, right? We, we made everything insanely customized to you. And it's a lot harder than sounds is what I. I mean, you know, with any business, when you think it's easy, it's like, oh, man, I think I'll start the concierge thing. And then once you got into it, you probably realized, oh, it's, there's a lot more moving parts than I realized. And every state has different regulations that you're going to have to navigate. And what do the consumers want? Because it changes every three months based on what Peter Attia or David Sinclair is saying or whoever. Right? And, and so you got to step with the trends. But the thing about east west is, you know, we, we do practice concierge medicine, but we, it's highly personalized, but it's highly data driven. And so we look at the body. The same way you'd look at putting a business together. Like, you're the owner of your body. No one else can tell you what to put in your mouth. You can't blame your poor health on your environment anymore. When you work with us, you can't blame it on the fact that you don't have knowledge or ignorance. It does take time to learn those things. But the. The thing that we do is we first clarify, where do you want to go in your journey? What are you looking to accomplish? Do you want to have better physique? Do you want, you know, do you want abs? That's what a lot of dudes want these days, because it's less common to have abs than it is to be a millionaire. So it's like, all right, well, let me. Let me find another path, something else to pursue. And then the second thing is diagnostics. And diagnostics are really important. So when we run blood labs, I ended up going to a school in Hawaii, and Earl Bachan, the inventor of the pacemaker, the founder of a company called Medtronics, he founded the school, and he taught us functional medicine or optimization medicine. And so we take the lab values and we narrow those down, and then by narrowing those down, we can see where there's deviations in the lab values that may lead to symptoms like fatigue and exhaustion overwhelm. You'll see, hey, your testosterone, just because your doctor said it's normal, um, we found from optimal perspectives, the normal ranges of. Of Testosterone are about 300% lower than where you want them to be. And so it's just because they're looking at averages. You know, it's just aggregated data from, you know, big subset of the population. So what we do is we take that data and we analyze it, and then we figure out what pathways are going to be most critical. So we're trying to remove the domino that will give you the best, biggest leverage points in your healing journey, in our diagnostic process. And so once we can do that, then we can predict how quickly you can make changes. And that predictive factor, so it's personalized and it's predictive because we want to be able to be kind of, we. We want to time travel with you and say, okay, Jeff, where do you want to be in 10 years from now? And in order to get there, this is what we need to do every 60 days in order to move the needle. And we've seen an overwhelming change in response in our patients who follow the protocol. We have rejuvenation, therapies in there, stem cell therapies, exosomes, plasma renewal. And that, in my opinion, is real concierge. But East West Health, we're a hospitality company that specializes in healthcare. And you'll find in a lot of the concierge world that's out there, it's doctors who got sick of the insurance system. And so they realized that patients were willing to pay a lot more to get to the front of the line, but they're still practicing the same kind of medicine. So you and I just need to partner up on this project, Jeff, because we have the same vision. I want to transform healthcare in America. I just happen to have some holes in my jeans and some bloody knuckles from fighting this thing out for a couple decades.
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Well, look, I don't want to make any health claims, but I was on. I. I did your program, six month program. I missed with travel and stuff. So it was a seven month program. I just finished it last month. But prior to the program, I was 5 foot 6, 450 pounds. I'm now 62, 235. So I'm not, I don't.
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And we guarantee that result.
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Yeah, I don't want to be. I don't want to make any irresponsible claims, but. All right, well, let's. We can edit that or not. Clearly, that was not that. Okay, so. But what we're talking about here is preventative. And our entire healthcare system has been built to keep people just sick enough to keep taking the statins or to keep taking the drugs and that we need. So you treat the symptom, not the cause. And I think people like me, we're interested in longer quality of life. We're interested in recovery, we're interested in sleep, we're interested in inflammation. All of these things that are, that are conditions that cause us to degenerate faster and to make us age faster and make us look bad. I mean, my skin looked better. I mean, I felt better, I became leaner. I think my skin looked better. I certainly thought a lot better, and I slept better. And so, you know, I can. Now, could I tell which of the peptides or which of the supplement was causing what, or was it more of a holistic view of it? But I mean, I at least know that whatever I was deficient in, whether it would be a simple vitamin like vitamin D, I had vitamin D deficiency, or whatever it was, that all of these levels were optimized. And I can only think that I was functioning better overall.
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Yeah, well, and that's the goal, Jeff. Because the one currency that we all have a finite amount of is time. And the better that you can spend your time is really what health is all about. I look at health as being directly proportional to the amount of energy that you can generate. And so if you have great energy throughout the day, if your brain is working the way you want it to, if you can move your body without pain, if you have the athleticism that you want, there's really not much that's going to get in the way. And the, the problem is there's triggers, and we call them the epic triggers that most people miss. And these epic triggers are an EPIC is an acronym. So E is, is the, it's the emotional side of things. And most of your, you know, people in, in the home front world, this is a hard one to manage. It's that environment between your ears is, and the story that you tell yourself and the stress that you have, whether it's real or induced stress, that's a real thing. And if you don't remove some of the PTSD from bankruptcies or payroll crisis, I mean, Dan Sullivan, you know, mutual mentor of ours, he always says you have one God to answer to as an entrepreneur at the end of the month, and that's cash flow. So, so I think all the entrepreneurs I work with, we've all been through those, those moments of holding our breath and hoping we in the game and, and that has to be addressed. The, the p. Is the physical traumas. What, what kind of sports did you play growing up?
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I was a big basketball player most of my career through high school, and then I started playing football as a junior in high school and I played through college.
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Wow. Because, because if you guys have never met Jeff like he is, he is a big, muscly, athletic guy. Like I, I, I was a running back and I would not want to meet you on the other side of the line.
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Well, I was, I was know you just, you tuck in right behind me, brother. I got you.
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I'll take it into the end zone, I'll get all the glory and you, you do all the hard work.
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How about that face? Face to the face, through the thigh pad of the linebacker and off you go. That's fine. I'm happy with that. Yeah.
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But if you think about the amount of physical trauma you had in football, those are things we see in people's labs. We'll see a, a marker called homocysteine. And it's not uncommon to see people, you know, they, they don't tolerate stress or grumpy all the time. You know, I had one client who was an architect, and he. He had all the. The dimensions of the buildings that he had architected. He just memory. Like he knew it. Like, it was just like second nature to him. And he lost that capability. And it was after we did intranasal stem cells, we started treating his brain because his homocysteine levels were 27, and you don't want it over about a 6. And once it got down, the ability for him to remember the dimensions came right back. So we see some things. But he's like, I haven't had head trauma since high school, when he played rugby, in college, when he played rugby. And he's like, it can't be from that. I'm like, well, I don't know what it's from. Then. It can be from maybe ptsd, but in most cases, it's from these head traumas. So the physical injuries and pain is the thing that comes with the physical trauma. That can be the biggest lifestyle detriment. And that's where stem cell therapy has just been phenomenal, because for 14 years, we've helped over 25,000 clients with stem cell therapy, like, probably more clinical research at east west than most facilities. And we actually had a law passed last year, Senate Bill 198, that approved the use of these perinatal tissue stem cells allografts, as long as they're not manipulated. And we run it through the same, you know, FDA certified facilities. And it's just been really exciting to see the breakthroughs in medicine. But it takes care of that pain part. The. The eye is infections, so tooth infections are massive. Heart disease is still the number one killer. My dad almost died of a massive heart attack in his early 50s. And that was two weeks after he had a physical where the doctor told him, well, Mr. Archibald, I wish I had blood labs as good as yours. And then my dad's watering the track. You know, my brother Cade, you guys are friends too, and. And Cade's racing his dirt bike. And my dad has, you know, starts having chest pain, get shortness of breath, his lips are purple. And there's an ambulance 10ft away. And so he's able to make it to the ambulance, and they got him to the hospital in time, but he would have probably died right there. And. And funny enough, Cade wrecked on the finish line on that race, and he's like, where's my dad? So.
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Wow.
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So two big injuries. But. But if my dad had done deeper diagnostics and if he would have worked on Some of the stress that he had, things could have been better. And we also found he had infections that actually drove the heart disease from his teeth. And so there's, there's, there's these things, there's infections from mold, there's infections from Lyme disease, there's viral infections. We're all very familiar. Covid that long Covid is a real thing. And this is where nicotine is getting a lot of press right now, because nicotine is very helpful in a lot of these chronic infections. So, so if you can remove these triggers, the C is chemicals, you know, and that's where you remove the heavy metals. You get rid of the, the estrogen producing toxins out there like the plastics and the phthalates. And then, then you'll be, that you'll be all man and all woman. When you can get rid of the chemical toxins.
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What do you think about, what do you think about fluoride?
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So, so fluorides naturally exists in the environment and it's in a very small amount. And if you overwhelm fluoride, like we're putting fluoride in water, you're going to see a massive disruption in people's thyroid health. And so I think that's one of the reasons why I had Hashimoto's is because, you know, my mom worked for a dentist. I was always getting cavities drilled, doing fluoride rinse, fluoride flush, whatever it was, I'm not a big fan because it's a halogen molecule, so it competes with iodine and as is bromine. So you got to be careful some of the cleansers. And then of course that your, your chloride bleach is another competitive agent with iodine. And that disrupts your thyroid, which ends up impacting your dopamine production, your motivation, your energy, your libido. Your skin gets dry and you get constipated. Otherwise it's no big deal.
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So there's two interesting parts to the regimen at east west. There's the, there's all of the supplementation and the detox and the cleansers. And then there's peptides. There's peptides and there's stem cells. What is a peptide?
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Peptide is a small protein structure. So it's amino acids that are folded in a very particular way. So if you think of your cells, your cells have all these, it's like a lock and key mechanism. And so the key would be the peptide that opens up and unlocks that genetic potential that we all have in our body. But, you know, as we age, the universe just wants to recycle us after about the age of 35. I don't know if any of you listeners have ever experienced that, but you will at some stage. And it's because our genes get turned off for various reasons. And usually it's these epic triggers. And so the thing that peptides do is if we look at your labs and we can determine, okay, what are your goals, you know, where does Jeff want to take his health? And then we use peptides like ACE031, which is a myostatin inhibitor, so you get better expression of follistatin, which helps you build muscle. Or you can work on peptides for growth hormone release. And that helps with your immune system. It helps with recovery, get deeper sleep. You just feel young again. On, like IGF1, there's peptides like the thymines that activate the white blood cells. And they. It's like the thymulins are powerful because a lot of These peptides are FDA approved. And one called Thymosin Alpha 1, it was safer than placebo in the trials. And so it's got orphan drug status for autoimmunity. You can use it as a vaccine adjun if they're really trying to be selective. If someone's going to Africa, for example, you can use Thymosin Alpha 1 as a way to circumvent the damage from chemotherapy. We've seen Thymus and Alpha 1 also be used in recovery. And I mean, the crazy thing about peptides is they're, they're pleiotropic. And I don't mean to use medical jargon, but what pleiotropy means is it, it activates a thousand pathways at once, so it's a multiplier. And, and that's what I love about peptides is they're very safe, they're very selective. They target right into that gene expression that you're looking for. And most of these peptides are metabolized in five to seven minutes. So you have a very low risk profile. And so that's what we're looking for, is how can I compound and create a leveraged outcome for busy entrepreneurs like you who if you don't feel results in the first 30 days, then you're going to be frustrated with your investments. So I want, I want to get a win right out of the gates. And that's where I found peptides had enormous amounts of upside and very little on the downside. And they won't compromise your future health if you do it in the right way. The problem with peptides is most biohackers, or, you know, we call them Home Depot patients that do it yourself, they'll get online and they'll research, oh, I want to get ACE31. Reagan talked about that as a follow statin. I could do that instead of the follow statin gene therapy and get jacked. Well, you go online and you get it from a source that may not be safe. And it usually, when we've tested some of the peptides you can get online, it's just not the full amino acid sequence. And so make sure you get them prescribed, get them from a compounding pharmacy, make sure that there's someone who's licensed that is actually reading your labs and prescribing peptides. Otherwise, yeah, you may save some money, but you probably. It's a lot more expensive to be on the wrong thing. And especially if there is some contamination like lipopolysaccharides or any kind of sterilization issues. Heavy metals, there's some downside that you just. I wouldn't recommend people dive into a.
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Couple of terms that I heard here. Orphan drug status. What does that mean? It's.
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It's basically where the FDA will look at something and say, well, it doesn't really fit the criteria to treat one singular disease. And so they'll just say it can. It's globally generally accepted as safe and effective.
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Okay. So it's not connected to a single treatment per se. It's. It's okay.
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Which drives the pharmaceutical companies crazy because they want to put a bunch of symptoms on a screen and say, if you're experiencing. Do you notice when you're in social groups that you feel a little uncomfortable and you may have social anxiety? Here's Paxil. Right?
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Right.
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So, yeah. And that's where a lot of these peptides, they're. They're so global in the way that they present and the way they express health that they're not. They're not designed. They're natural agents that just help the body heal the way it's intended to heal, not suppress a disease.
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Got it. And then how do I know if my pharmacy is a compounding pharmacy? And what does that mean?
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Well, a compounding pharmacy would mean, like, you'll get the dosing very specific. It will have your name on there. And there's very few compounding pharmacies that actually, it's a real art to put these covalent bonds together on the peptides to make sure they're folded, to have the Acetyl groups on the end, so you get the right expression. A lot of pharmacists just don't want to take it on and they can't. They just don't have the skills. So, so if you are getting peptides from a pharmacy that's been prescribed by a doctor, then you're, you're in good hands.
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Okay, and Somalga tides, are they, are they a peptide.
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Like the semaglutide and the glp?
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Yeah, I'm sorry. Yes, that was an obnoxious way to say it. I heard somebody else say it, so I thought I'd say it that way. But yeah, semi glutides, like.
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Oh, no, it does.
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Yeah. There's the Ozempics.
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Yeah, it's semaglutide. It's semaglutide, however you want to pronounce it. Just wanted to clarify. But it's a, it's a GLP one, so a glucagon, like peptide.
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Okay.
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And, and it's, it's such a powerful peptide. So Ozembic is the drug that, you know, made like really put peptides on the map about five years ago. We're actually using it before it became Ozembic. And, and we, we'd use it for a little appetite suppression for our clients who couldn't get off sugar. And, and we saw massive weight loss. We also saw insulin sensitivity, but we would never use it alone. And that's the problem is if you're using like a GLP1, semaglutide, manjaro, which is Tirzepatide, then what you want to make sure you're doing is having like a growth hormone releasing peptide so that you're building muscle at the same time. Because when you lose weight, you're going to lose muscle. And the Criticism around these GLP1s is that people are losing muscle mass and not weight. And then, and then the, the big thing is like, oh, and you come off them and all the weight comes back. And that's, that's because of the way the system's designed. They're using peptides as a drug. They're using it as a mechanism to change behavior and they're not getting the internal change. So that's why we have nutritionists, we have health coaches, we have fitness advisors. That's why we installed the shock collar and the surveillance camera on you, Jeff, when you, when you signed up for care with, so you could, so you could make these long term habitual changes so that when you're not on peptides you still maintain your health.
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Well, I thought those came from a different website, but I, I could be confused. So, you know, I, I order so much stuff online, I, it's hard to keep up with, but fair enough. So using the semi glutides, you know, I, and one of the, I, gosh, I think it was Cali Means was debating a naturopath lady, very well respected, and they were talking about it and they were, they, they kind of seemed like they knew each other and they were going back and forth. I don't know if you've talked about the podcast I've seen, but you know her and you know, Callie was saying, hey look, you don't need it, just do the diet and exercise. And she was saying, look, you know, I use very small doses, maybe 10 units a week or 15 or 20 units a week versus you see people get up to, you know, 150 units a week, you know, on, you know, they work the dosage up and it's in course, it's, it's driven by economics, right? And, but I mean when you get up to 150 units a week of semi glutide, man, like that is a massive amount that is way past appetite suppressant. And you know, and, and so she was saying, look, I use small microdoses. There is some belief that it increases, reduces brain fog. It gives you some clarity. It'll knock the top off of your, off of your appetite. So, and then they increase the macros, right? Lots of protein, lots of water and lots of exercise. And if they don't follow the other protocols, then she will remove them from the semi glucide because they don't want it to be a crutch, they just want it to be. Well, I guess it would be like a crutch as opposed to a sledgehammer. Right? Just something to help you be successful. And then of course, I mean, look, we're even 30 pounds of extra belly fat, which on somebody like me, I could carry it, but it has massive impacts in cardiovascular disease and in type 2 diabetes and these types of things. So. Yeah, so I mean, it's interesting to see. I mean, I think many, you know, there's, there's people. I haven't heard as much about it lately. Maybe I've just, maybe it's, it's just gone out of fashion or, or whatever. But you know, I think that, you know, that being the fact that that's a peptide, I find to be interesting. And the fact that you should combine that peptide with others, other Peptides that are going to be supplementing the effect, maybe the negative effects that it might have when you start accelerated weight loss.
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And yeah, that conversation. So Cali means he probably saw him at Genius Network. He got my book and he, we spent a lot of time and, and it was the same thing. It's, it's like, don't throw the baby out with the bath water because, you know, our mutual friend Jeff Hayes, he'll. He'll talk about it openly. You know, we started working together and he actually had. Was so frustrated because you couldn't get below 185. And he's, he's. I think he's five. Five, something like that. And so. Oh, I know.
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I've been there. I've been there like a year ago. Yeah.
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And he just, like, he couldn't, like, he literally had a trainer come in live with him, watch everything he put in his mouth. He has a chef that, that cooked everything. And he did that for a year. And yeah, he lost weight. He got down from like 200 to 185 and that was it. And he's like, this is ridiculous. And so when he started taking the GLP1s at tirzepatide, and he doesn't mind me sharing, but he was. Now we're able to get him down to like 140. And if you see him, he looks younger and he takes Melanitan, so his skin's all nice and tan. And I'm like, you're my best marketing source. But, but there are things that are stubborn genetically and the human biology, we're, we're designed to want to eat whenever we can. And so GLP1's research is actually showing they're protective for kidneys. There's a study called the Pioneer study that found from a cardiovascular perspective, your risk profile goes way down. And the new one that's coming out is called HA931. And they're finally doing what we've always done with it. And they have IGF1 that's connected with the GLP1. So you'll build muscle at the same time.
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That's a growth hormone stimulant.
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That's it.
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Yeah, yeah, makes sense. And, and think about, like, aging. I mean, so, you know, I mean, if you want to baseline aging. Right. Okay. As we get older, things stop producing the amino acids, the proteins, things just start working a little less well, which means then, you know, cell. We have some cellular degeneration which manifests itself into different symptoms, appearance and age. Brain fog. You know, muscle, all of these types of things, maybe inflammation and all of these things. So we're just aging. So basically what you're doing with peptides is you're saying, here's more of the same natural things that your body is now struggling to produce, maybe on its own, at the levels that it needs it. And by virtue of that, you're basically just slowing down the aging process and extending the quality of your life. Now, I don't know that you extend your life ultimately, or if just the marginal. What's called the marginal decade. Right. The marginal decade is the last 10 years of your life. It is really a hallmark by four chronic conditions of cancer, heart disease, neurodegenerative disease, and type 2 diabetes. And these are the things I saw some crazy statistic where people spend, what, 80% of what they spend on, or, I don't know, some ridiculous amount, like 50 or 80 of what they spend their entire life on. Healthcare, the last four to six months of their life. Yep.
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This. Yeah. Medicare, that's.
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We.
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It's an overwhelming amount of resources that go into just helping us be alive, but dead a little longer.
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Yeah. Huh.
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And, and you, you bring up a good point because, you know, first thing you want to protect is your health span. And healthspan means how resilient are you right now? Are there things that you can improve in your health right now? Because a lot of people want to jump to longevity. But it's like, you know how we talked about those epic triggers, and so you got to remove those things first. And that's where the detoxification, some of the cell core that you probably remember, those are really important. We call that the accelerate wellness process, because wellness is your body's ability to be resilient against external factors, which we all are going to have stress, you know, we're going to have injuries, we're going to have inflammation. And so once you get through that, then we start on the ageless future operating system. And that's where we build out the mechanisms and the operating system for you to really have this lifespan that aligns with your health span. And so my healthiest patients, and, you know, one of the first things I talk about in our longevity retreats is how to die fast. So it's kind of. It's kind of a funny concept, but you talk about that marginal decade and, you know, my grandfather, actually two of my grandpa, three of them, all my grandfathers, died really fast. One of them died at a really old age. Died fast. And he died at 93, the day before he died, he was working in his woodshed. He used to make these rocking horses for his grandkids. And he was mowing his lawn, went to sleep that night and died. Perfect way to die, in my opinion. And that's because he was healthy. And all my patients who are healthy, they have a 90 day window or less where they're on hospice and they all die fast. And so there's no need for us to spend the last 10 years of our life just medicated out of our mind. And actually, there's an interesting book. It's called Are My Prescription Drugs Killing Me? And it's written by a pharmacist. And his hypothesis was that people in nursing homes are on way too many drugs. And so he took all 300 patients off their medications. And at the end of this, they said for three months. And the doctors were going crazy. And some, you know, they hate, some people had power of attorney that you had to go through. But in the end, only 3% of them needed to be put on drugs. And over half of the people in the nursing home left that assisted living. They could live on their own. We are drugging people in the United States, and it doesn't need to be that way anymore. And I think it's. I think we're going to see some big changes coming up here. But, you know, just to circle back to the beginning of the conversation on concierge medicine, if you can personalize the medicine and if you can understand like we, we do genetic testing as well. And I don't know if you did it through us or not. Doesn't matter. The, the results are the same. What we're going to find is that if we can start moving the needle and helping you prevent. So I have the Alzheimer's gene. I also have the gene for cardiovascular disease and diabetes, and I have no genes for muscle building. I'm like a bench warmer athletically, and I work really damn hard to stay athletic. So. So even if you have those genes, you can use peptides to circumvent those genes better than anything that I've ever seen. And then what we're seeing is people biologically will see the clock start to reverse. And that's where stem cells become a really powerful thing. Because the 12 hallmarks of aging, you know, there's nine hallmarks and now there's 12, and there's probably more. But if you look at the core 12 hallmarks of aging, one of them is stem cell exhaustion. And what most people have happen later on in life and in Some cases earlier is we lose the ability to regenerate and repopulate the cells that have been damaged. So if you think about like a three year old falls down a flight of stairs, they get to the bottom and they jump up and they may cry because they're scared and then they go make a mess, right? It's a three year old, 90 year old falls down a flight of stairs or an 80 year old, probably the last step they're ever going to take in many cases. And it's, it's sad but true. And that's because we lose the stem cell health. And so we've been obsessed with finding options of keeping the stem cells turned on for the last 14 years. I'm in a group called Da Vinci 50. You probably know Richard Rossi, he started that group. And I've learned so many great things there. But it's like where we can converge, where we've got clinicians like myself and then we've got the scientists there. I spoke at the Terasaki Institute at the end of 24 in November, and we had people who are using stem cells to regenerate whole organs and they're going through all the FDA criteria to get it approved, probably be approved later on this year where you can literally regenerate an entire heart and instead of waiting for a heart transplant, you can just get your own. And that's right there. But they had no clue what it was like clinically to work with patients on stem cells. And what we see is people have bone on bone in their knees. We see some better articulation, better cartilage regrowth. We see lowering of inflammation. We see the biological age when we do either telomere testing or true diagnostic testing. Or what's even better is a VO2 max and then a carotid artery scan to see the thickness of your arteries. We see people's biological age. Our goal is to get you 10 years younger biologically than you are chronologically, and that's how you can avoid that marginal decade.
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A
Are all stem cell therapies available in the United States or are there some that we would need to go abroad to get access to? Currently.
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B
Yeah. So the stem cells that are available in the United States, you can use autologous stem cells. So we could take like your fat and we could remove some of the stem cells from your fat and re. Inject. It has to be done same day. You can't, you can't populate those, those stem cells and, and improve their, their mass. You can get it from Bone marrow.
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A
Is that using a centrifuge for separation or is that just for the pr?
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B
That's the same with the fat. It's a certain, certain rotation and then there's some, some solvents that you have to use to separate it from the fat. It's, it's pretty aggressive. Not the style that we use. The stem cells that are legal in the United States come from the perivascular region of the umbilical cord. And that's where you're going to see this high concentration of stem cells that make a big difference. And the real process is key because most labs you say, okay, an umbilical cord, the stem cells are there, and let's just, we'll ship it on dry ice to the lab and it will sit outside for a couple days and then they'll come over the weekend and grab it. And there's not going to be any live stem cells. It's got to be a 20 minute trip from the hospital to the lab and then you've got to process it immediately and then cryogenically preserve it. And then it goes through this whole quarantine the FDA requires. So 20% of that tissue has to get tested for any communicable diseases. We don't use any mothers that have been vaccinated because those spike proteins can get into the umbilical cord. But what we've seen, when it's done properly, is you'll see about 40 million to 50 million live stem cells post thaw per cc, which is phenomenal. And, and that is with no manipulation. So those are, that's an acceptable methodology. We can't claim to treat any diseases, which we don't anyways. But if you wanted to get stem cells that are called induced, or when you take a stem cell and you want to induce it down a lineage of cells. So if you wanted to, for example, like regrow a kidney, or if you had chronic kidney disease or kidney failure, you can take a renal cell with Dr. Mobigli in Argentina and we work with his team in certain cases where it's just very extreme and they combine it with a white blood cell and then they'll take that tissue and they'll culture it over a period of about two to three months and then you go to Argentina and they'll inject you. Now, that's not available in the United States, but I can tell you it probably will be in the next year. And we want east west to be one of the clinics that does the clinical trials. And so it's really exciting.
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A
And are these intravenous? Are they sometimes delivered nasally through a spray or. What are the different applications for getting stem cells?
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B
You can do IV for more of a systemic effect. The intranasal, we use a device called a sphenocath, and that's how we can bypass the blood brain barrier because the stem cells are just too large to pass through. And I was the first person outside of a clinical trial to do that about 10 years ago for my ADHD. And it's been awesome. I still have a little bit of it, but I just call it part of my personality. It doesn't run me now, but that. That intranasally is amazing. And then you inject it right into areas that have been damaged, so joints, tissues. Phenomenal.
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A
Well, hey, Reagan, this has been awesome. I know we've got a little bit of a time stop here today, but do you have time for just a couple more questions?
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B
No problem.
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A
Okay, I got a curveball and a fastball. Right here's, here's the, here's the curveball. What you hit right or left? Okay, well, here it comes down, coming out, looping from the outside in towards your knees, gun to your head. You had to start a business and launch it within 90 days. What would that business be right now, today? Based on what?
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B
You know, a subscription based peptide company.
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A
Okay. All right, so basically, Peptides Forever. Based on a monthly subscription.
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B
Based on a monthly subscription. Doctor supervised. And it would be global. It would not be the nice touches that we have now, but it would just be. That's what I would do.
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A
Got it, Got it. And you'd be able to regulate the therapies based on people's blood work.
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B
Every six months, they have to do blood labs. And then. And with that, I would also own the pharmacy. So it would be, it'd be kind of a all in one business. But yeah, if you put a gun to my head in 90 days, all right, that's what I'm going to do. I can do it fast, and I know it's going to work.
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A
Got it. Yeah. Because it does seem to be a more educated, expanding marketplace for people that are interested in these therapies.
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B
Yep. Did I pass it? Are you going to pull the trigger or not now? I mean.
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A
No, no, no. You're. You're still up at the, you're up at the plate. It's, it's. What is it? Want to know? I didn't get that one by you. So here's last question. If you had one sentence to make an impact in somebody's life. What would that be?
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B
Love yourself more. Love yourself enough to do what's necessary to take care of yourself in the ways that you deserve to be taken care of.
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A
Perfectly said. We'll leave it there. Anything else you want to cover tonight?
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B
No. This has been fun. Jeff, you're an amazing host. Kept the conversation light, fun and really appreciate you.
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A
Yeah, yeah, 100%. Thank you so much for coming on. I know we've been trying to get it scheduled for a while. I'm a believer in the product and the process and maybe there's some people out there on the home front that can reach out to you. How can people best get in touch with you over at East West?
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B
I think the best way is you can go to our website, ageless future.com and or just email me directly. Reagan Q. East west dot com.
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A
Got it. All right, write it down. We will put the information in the show notes so you have a quick link to get there if you're looking at it, particularly on YouTube. But with that, Reagan, thanks for being on.
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B
You got it. Thanks for having me.
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A
Yeah. This has been Reagan Archibald here with Jeff Duden and we have been on the home front. Thanks for listening.