Episode 669: Anton LaVey Part IV - Old Wizards Die Hard

Summary

Last Podcast On The Left – Episode 669: Anton LaVey Part IV – Old Wizards Die Hard

Release Date: June 19, 2026
Hosts: Marcus Parks, Henry Zebrowski, Eddie (Ben Kissel out)
Podcast Theme: Comedy-horror deep dives into criminal, occult, and cultural subjects.

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Overview

The fourth and final installment of the Anton LaVey series brings the narrative into the latter days of LaVey's life and the Church of Satan, exploring its entanglements with Hollywood celebrities, internal schisms, flirtation with fringe groups, and the public backlash known as the Satanic Panic. The episode balances serious history with the show's signature irreverence, focusing on both darkly comedic and tragic aspects of LaVey and his associates’ lives as their influence waned and infighting increased.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Nerdy Tone and the Return of Sammy Davis Jr.

• Hosts warn listeners about the episode’s “nerdiness,” promising deep dives into obscure Church of Satan history (01:22).
• Eddie brings Michael Aquino’s two-volume, 700-page “History of the Church of Satan,” joking about the bizarre contents and collecting Satanic paraphernalia (02:44).
• The story resumes with Sammy Davis Jr.’s unlikely involvement with the Church of Satan and the TV movie “Poor Devil” (03:54).

Memorable Quote:
“Even Satanists want to save Christmas.”
— Henry (06:48)

2. Sammy Davis Jr., LaVey, and Celebrity Satanism

• Following "Poor Devil," leadership saw its potential as positive PR (05:00).
• Michael Aquino, right-hand man, called the film “a magnificent commercial for the church," agreeing its spirit aligned with Satanism’s materialistic, indulgent worldview (07:19).
• Sammy Davis, Jr. is offered—and delighted to accept—the title of honorary "black Jewish Satanic warlock" (09:13).
• Anton LaVey seizes on the Hollywood connection for his own advancement, not the church’s spiritual mission (08:14, 08:46).
• Behind the showbiz enthusiasm, real friendships and insecurities develop between LaVey, Sammy, and celebrity guests (14:25).

Memorable Quote:
"Never talk to the PR guy if you can talk to the celebrity...The PR guy’s not your friend. F*ck the PR guy. You talk to Sammy."
— Anton LaVey’s advice, paraphrased by Marcus & Eddie (11:03)

3. Sex Magic, Piss Rituals, and the “Nerdiness” of LaVey’s Satanism

• The hosts detail graphic (and bizarre) original Satanic rituals, which are far more urine-centric and less orgiastic than outsiders expect (16:16).
• Despite lurid rumors, the LaVeys themselves are described as personally tame, preferring film nights over drugs or swinging (18:01).
• The reality of Church rituals is juxtaposed with its public image during the 1970s heyday.

Memorable Exchanges:
“Yeah, I've heard of foreplay, but not 666 play.”
— Henry (24:02)

“Real normal sh*t.”
— Marcus (18:29)

4. Rivalry, Jealousy, and Hollywood Hierarchies

• LaVey’s social insecurity is detailed, especially his jealousy regarding Sammy’s star friends, notably Christopher Lee (25:00).
• Tensions culminate in petty debates (e.g., “Who played the better Dracula?”) and physical posturing, revealing LaVey’s carnivalesque roots versus the gravitas of genuine Hollywood aristocracy (28:14).

Memorable Quote:
“LaVey, of course, was adamant that Christopher Lee was dogsh*t as Dracula compared to Bela [Lugosi].”
— Marcus (28:14)

5. Sinatra, The Mob, and the Fading of Satanic Chic

• Frank Sinatra intervenes in Sammy's life in the late 1970s, commanding him to “cool it with all these godforsaken Satanists,” which leads to Sammy distancing from LaVey and the church (31:20).
• Sammy's Satanism moves underground as the 1980s approach and public attitudes change in response to the Satanic Panic.

Key Moment:
Sammy to Eddie Murphy in 1989: "You know, Satan’s as powerful as God." (36:39)

6. The Satanic Panic, Grotto Drama, and Public Perception

• The advent of the Satanic Panic shatters the outer respectability LaVey craved, with grottos plagued by infighting, fear, and bad press (33:39).
• Grottoes (satellite clubs) face problems over “being out” as Satanists—some want to be public, others are deeply closeted (33:56).
• Law enforcement and media, including shows like 20/20, conflate all Satanism with heinous crimes, even though ritual abuse claims are baseless (94:45).
• LaVey refuses to mount any public defense; his daughter Zena steps in as spokesperson and, ironically, brings a surge of new members to the Church through her eloquent TV appearances (99:95 onward).

7. LaVey vs. Aquino: The Great Schism

• Michael Aquino breaks off to found the Temple of Set over doctrinal and practical disagreements with LaVey, especially over the selling of ranks within the Church of Satan (44:23).
• Aquino was a spiritualist (believed in a literal Satan/Set), whereas LaVey strictly pushed materialism and atheism.
• The exodus of Aquino and his followers shifts the landscape toward more magical, less “rational” Satanism.

Memorable Quote:
“A man’s gotta eat, and money was tight within the organization by 1975.”
— Marcus (44:33)

Classic Line:
“The Book of Coming Forth by Night...He was not prepared for all the ejaculate jokes.”
— Marcus/Henry (47:47–48:41)

8. Nazi Associations and the Fringe Right

• Detailed, with frequent asides and comic riffing, are LaVey’s ties to fringe neo-Nazi figures (James Madole, Kurt Mertig, the National Renaissance Party), shown as both opportunistically naive and driven by a need for allies in the anti-Christian fight (66:42–68:52).
• The hosts discuss how rooms full of “ugly men with incredibly hot women” became a hallmark of Satanic gatherings (100:13), as well as how Nazism, occultism, and sci-fi/fantasy often intermixed in the American far-right subculture.

Notable Riff:
“Let’s just say, if you’re the master race you might want to master hiding all your crimes.”
— Marcus (83:50)

9. Decline, Isolation, and the Tragedy of Aging Wizards

• LaVey’s final decades are marked by increasing bitterness, violence in his personal life (abuse toward Diane Hagarty), and nostalgia-fueled retreat (98:17–99:37).
• He loses the loyalty of most of the church’s earlier main figures (Aquino, Diane, Zena), even as he futilely attempts to hold onto younger followers and lover Blanche Barton.
• LaVey’s inability/unwillingness to change is compared to wizardly figures who “refuse to die first while they’re alive—Gandalf had to die to become Gandalf the White" (40:58).

Final Irony:
“LaVey had arranged for his death certificate to say he died on Halloween, proving even with his death that it was his belief that there was no reason why the truth should get in the way of a good story.”
— Marcus (111:20)

10. Legacy and Final Reflections

• The series closes with reflections on the “lessons” from LaVey’s failures: the perils of refusing change, the emptiness of self-mythologizing, and the way dark charisma can attract both beauty and tragedy.
• The hosts assert the need for “old wizards” (the powerful, stubborn agents of cultural change) to grow, not become bitter relics (111:27–113:03).

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Timestamps for Key Sections

• Sammy Davis Jr. and "Poor Devil": 03:54–12:33
• Satanic Ritual Details/LaVey’s Social Circles: 15:57–19:24
• Celebrity Jealousy – Christopher Lee and LaVey: 25:00–28:39
• Sinatra Cuts Sammy Off: 30:37–32:42
• Grotto Drama Explained/Satanic Panic Precursor: 33:56–36:03
• Aquino Breaks Away, Founding the Temple of Set: 44:23–47:47
• Neo-Nazi Networking and Sci-Fi Fascism: 66:42–86:05
• FBI Raid/Satanic Panic, Michelle Remembers/McMartin Preschool: 89:21–93:55
• LaVey’s Personal Decline/Family & Lawsuits: 97:06–103:55
• LaVey’s Final Years and Death: 110:28–113:47
• Hosts' Final Reflections and Takeaways: 111:27–113:03

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Notable Quotes by Timestamp

• On Satanists “saving Christmas”:
  “Wow, even Satanists want to save Christmas.”
  — Henry (06:48)

• On PR advice:
  “Never talk to the PR guy if you can talk to the celebrity... The PR guy’s not your friend. F*ck the PR guy. Sammy’s your friend.”
  — Marcus/Eddie (11:03)

• On the cult’s culture:
  “Yeah, I've heard of foreplay, but not 666 play.”
  — Henry (24:02)

• On LaVey’s jealousy of Christopher Lee:
  “LaVey, of course, was adamant that Christopher Lee was dogsh*t as Dracula compared to Bela [Lugosi].”
  — Marcus (28:14)

• On Nazi “networking”:
  “Let’s just say, if you’re the master race, you might want to master hiding all your crimes.”
  — Marcus (83:50)

• On the lesson of old magicians:
  “You have a responsibility as a f*cking wizard… the first half of your life is spent changing the world. The second half should be spent having the world change you.”
  — Eddie (109:01)

• On LaVey’s self-mythologizing, even in death:
  “LaVey had arranged for his death certificate to say he died on Halloween, proving even with his death that it was his belief that there was no reason why the truth should get in the way of a good story.”
  — Marcus (111:20)

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Engaging Takeaways

• The episode provides a comprehensive (and comedic) look at the final decades of Anton LaVey and his circle, revealing that the infamous Cult of Satan was more a product of American myth-making, desperate showmanship, and subcultural networking than of unbridled evil.
• The show doesn’t shy away from the grotesque, the embarrassing, or the dull, noting that most Satanic drama boils down to “subreddit mod meltdown” or failed attempts at showbiz stardom.
• LaVey’s story closes not in fire and brimstone, but in anticlimactic isolation, undone by his own stubbornness and inability to move beyond the myth he built.
• The hosts reflect, with both humor and a genuine sense of personal growth, on how not to “crystallize” oneself and become an extinct old wizard clinging to a vanished world.

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Episode Tone & Style

The hosts blend deeply researched occult and criminal history with relentless joke riffing and inside pop culture references. The episode swings easily between comic derision (“Catholic cookies”, “piss rituals”), serious commentary on abuse and fanaticism, and pathos for once-great men who die friendless and unloved.

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Recommended For:
Fans of dark comedy; listeners interested in the strange intersections of American pop culture, cults, and criminal history; anyone curious about how myth, loneliness, and toxic nostalgia can shape subcultures—and individuals—across decades.

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End of Summary

Transcript

[Eddie]

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[Marcus Parks]

There's no place to escape to.

[Eddie]

This is the lost on the left. That's when the cannibalism started. What was that?

[Marcus Parks]

All right, we'll load you up, bro.

[Eddie]

Before we begin today's episode, I want to warn you about the level of nerdiness we're about to enter into. Eddie was not ready. Well, he was not prepared. As we were talking in the preamble about the things that we wanted to bring up in today's episode, he was actually. I could kind of feel his disappointment, but also, I mean, disappointment.

[Marcus Parks]

I felt indifference.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, yeah. See, I think what's good about the nerdiness in these episodes is I was able to lose my respect for both of you and it really helps me as an employee.

[Eddie]

It allows you to make braver choices.

[Marcus Parks]

It happens with all of them. Congratulations. Welcome to Last podcast on the left. Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Marcus Parks. I'm here with the scholarly Henry Zabrowski.

[Eddie]

I. I'm gonna end this whole show with a sort of allegorical rundown of how I'm gonna apply Gandalf's entire like, life traveling moment, all the things he learned to the story of Anton lavey.

[Marcus Parks]

But that is at the end. So there's gonna be plenty of fun. Until then, we have. We have the man that's bringing us the fun, said Larson.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's right, man. I wear. I know what I did today. I wanted to bring up the cool. I got my George Clinton shirt on. I want to make sure that everyone knew that at least one of us is kind of cool.

[Marcus Parks]

I brought it back down with my Neal Adams Batman T shirt.

[Eddie]

Actually, I think I destroy everything with my two volume set of the History of the Church of Satan written by Michael Aquino. 700 pages of total correspondence. Mayhem.

[Henry Zabrowski]

700 pages each?

[Eddie]

No, 350 pages each. And one of the books is just the appendices for the first one.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. Very much smack of copy paper.

[Eddie]

Oh, yeah. This is great. This come. You can. Honestly, I'm really happy a lot of you can run these at work.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, yeah, it's great. Yeah, it's a. Your. Your satanic sacrifice was getting laid again.

[Eddie]

Hey, she won't read it. Also, you want to see naked pictures of Susan Atkins?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Who's Susan Atkins?

[Marcus Parks]

Susan Atkins, the Manson girl.

[Eddie]

Naked pictures in here. It's awesome.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, okay.

[Eddie]

Dude, you don't know how cool can be once you get books, you know?

[Henry Zabrowski]

You ever hear, you know, they have the Internet?

[Eddie]

No, man. This is how I like to masturbate. I like to masturbate with gigantic, like little plate sections and appendices. Look at that. Look at these bananas. There's some hot 70s babes in this.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Henry uses stage blood as body lotion when he jerks up.

[Eddie]

Uncenter. What?

[Marcus Parks]

We're not going to get into the nerdy just yet. We're still in the cool. We're still in the story of Sammy Davis Jr. Oh, fuck, yeah. When we last left the story of Anton lavey and the Church of Satan, we were right in the middle of telling the tale of how one of their most unlikely adherents, Entertainer Sammy Davis Jr. Became friends with Anton and the rest of the Church of Satan crew. Now, when Sammy Davis Jr's TV movie Poor Devil aired on NBC with obvious references to real Satanism, like Sammy's oft repeated flashing of the devil horns.

[Eddie]

Yeah, baby. Yeah, baby. Baby, I love him. Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

The program caught the attention of the upper echelons of the Church of Satan. Diane Hagarty, co founder of the Church of Satan, some might say the entire brains behind the entirety of the Church of Satan, she said that she was flabbergasted when she. Henry, I like how you. You grabbed your book and then decided to put it back to shame.

[Eddie]

It's in this book. Honestly, this entire book shows that Anton lavey, he didn't do anything.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But isn't this the other guy?

[Eddie]

Isn't this a keynote long story. We'll get into it. We know, we know.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, Diane Hagarty said that she was flabbergasted when she saw a lovable, funny, harmless demon being depicted on TV by no less than Sammy Davis Jr. Who in 1974 was one of our more harmless celebrities. She was also excited because if people began seeing Satanists as something closer to Sammy Davis Jr. And further away from, say, Charles Manson, then the church could really get cookin on membership. Michael Aquino, who was still Anton Lavey's right hand man in 1973, he surprisingly agreed in his letter to Diane Hagarty in which he called Poor Devil a magnificent commercial for the church. He added that the show's message was not far afield from what Satanists believed, and in this I actually agree with Michael Aquino. I noticed it as I was watching Poor Devil. In Poor Devil, the accountant played by Jack Klugman, wants revenge on his boss, played by Batman's Adam West. In his usual style of acting in which he sounds like he's constantly on the verge of a painful orgasm, he doesn't actually want

[Eddie]

go get me some milk.

[Marcus Parks]

It's gonna be a long time before

[Eddie]

you get another day off. Another day.

[Marcus Parks]

But Adam West's character is constantly taking advantage of Klugman's character and generally makes Klugman's character's life miserable, which made Adam West's character a perf perfect target for revenge. Klugman's character, however, balks at revenge and takes it all back when he sees that his plan is going to hurt a lot more people besides just his boss. He his whole plan is he's going to empty out the department store where they both work on December 24, and Adam west is going to look like a But then he realizes that it's going to ruin Christmas for a lot of people and a lot of the people who work at the store are also going to get hurt. So he says, bring it all back. Bring it all back in.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Wow, even Satanists want to save Christmas.

[Eddie]

Well, if you listen to a lot of Satanists, truly Satanism, how do you put Christmas is one of a goth's like favorite side holidays that isn't Halloween. Because Christmas is also just as filled with dark magic and all these kind of crazy dumb as anything else. Santa's a home breaker in He's a thief in the night. Well, he breaks in your house magically, he punishes you if you're wrong.

[Marcus Parks]

And also just at a very base level, Satanism is very materialistic. And what's more materialistic than American Christmas?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Nothing.

[Eddie]

Nothing.

[Marcus Parks]

Nothing in the world. But even though it seems like Klugman's backtrack is going to leave him right back where he started, the mere act of focusing his energies on revenge that results in his boss losing his mind and his job to Klugman himself. So with the help of Sammy Davis Jr's cartoonish Satanism, Klugman still gets his revenge. He still gets his greatest wish, but he does so without hurting anyone except the one who deserves it. So Aquino is correct. It was actually quite satanic.

[Eddie]

It was. And my. The guys, Dave Willis and Casper Kelly, the made your pretty faces Going to Hell. I didn't understand that they had held a screening of Poor Devil with Dana from you. Pretty Faces Going to Hell.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

Master shake. Master shake. They kind of went and they did a viewing of it and they had a great time.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. Now, Anton lavey didn't even see Poor Devil, but after talking to Hagarty and Aquino, he also saw the potential here. And the three of them began hatching plans and plots. See, Poor Devil was a TV movie running about 70 minutes, but it had the potential to go to series. So Anton initially aimed to get screen time in future episodes and perhaps even swing a location shoot at the Church of Satan's black house. Again, it sounds like it's for the church, but really it's more about getting Anton into Hollywood.

[Eddie]

That's all it is. Or at least getting Hollywood close to Anton.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And that sweet location fee.

[Eddie]

I mean, hey, very good location fee.

[Marcus Parks]

Michael Aquino, meanwhile, was focused on church business. As always. He suggested that Anton give Sammy Davis Jr. An honorary magical position. And it said that Hagarty openly wondered what Sammy Davis Jr. Would think about being offered the opportunity to be the world's first black Jewish satanic warlock.

[Eddie]

Yeah, that's a goal, dude, man.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's a resume.

[Eddie]

Yeah, man. And dancer and singer and actor.

[Marcus Parks]

The Candyman. I mean. Yeah, I mean, he's. Isn't he the one who wrote Candyman for Willy Wonka?

[Eddie]

Oh, no, he got. Well, no, Candyman was originally in the musical. He. It's kind of funny. He famously hated that song. He said it was his biggest hit, though. He started singing it and then he has to go do it everywhere. But he did not write the Candyman. He covered the Candy Man.

[Marcus Parks]

Covered the Candyman. Okay. All right. Well, as it turned out, nothing in this world could have made Sammy Davis Jr. Happier than being the first black Jewish satanic warlock.

[Eddie]

I may be getting his eye back. It seemed like it really bummed him out for a while.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, the Church of Satan sent a letter offering the honorary warlock position. And just a month later, Davis sent a letter back saying he was all in. Now, after accepting their membership, Davis sweetly said that he was pleased that no one at the Church of Satan was offended by a poor devil.

[Eddie]

David we fondly understood Satanists can't get offended. No, what are you talking about?

[Marcus Parks]

Satanists get offended all the time.

[Eddie]

You know what I mean? Not by stuff like, not by attention.

[Marcus Parks]

Davis then gave the Church of Satan his upcoming performance dates in the Bay Area so they could present him with his honorary warlock degree in person.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, my God. So many angry Italians.

[Marcus Parks]

And lavey was quite pleased to find that one of Sammy's local concerts just happened to fall on Friday the 13th.

[Eddie]

Oh, hell yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Furthermore, the theater where Sammy was performing was called the Circle Star Theater. A circle and a star is, of course, a pentagram. So the coincidences urging them all to move forward just kept coming. And so on the night of the performance, just before Sammy Davis Jr. Went out in front of an audience of almost 4,000, he received his Warlock ordainment certificate and his official Baphomet medallion, although Anton lavey did not presented himself. In a letter to Michael Aquino, lavey wrote that they should all just play it cool. Elaborating further that the less they push, the better Sammy's opinion of the Church would be.

[Eddie]

Anton lavey. So Michael Aquino writes this letter to Anton lavey. How proud he is. And the first time he got to meet Sammy Davis Jr. He was like, not only was Sammy absolutely impressed with my theological breakdowns of all the differences between what we believe and do not believe, so was his PR people and his manager. So I gave them both the Satanic Bible and I gave him up. And Anton lavey said, truly one of the great. A great piece of show business advice. Never talk to the PR guy. If you could talk to the celebrity, he's like, stop talking to the PR guy right now. Don't give him anything. The PR guy's not your friend. Fuck the PR guy. Sammy's your friend. You talk to Sammy. If you want Sammy and you want to talk to Sammy, you call fucking Sammy. Because guess what? You give the PR guy the Satanic Bible. Guess we're never going to see again. Yes, Sammy. So you just gotta. Just talk to Sammy. Great advice is constantly fighting this idea of open and an underground Satanism, which we'll get into.

[Marcus Parks]

And so after the backstage ceremony, Sammy Davis Jr. Went out with Baphomet displayed prominently on his chest, and he performed one hell of a show, then closed his performance with an anthem that might as well be the Church of Satan's theme song. Henry, if you would.

[Eddie]

Whether I'm right or whether I'm wrong Whether I find a place in this world or never belong I gotta be Me I've gotta be me what else can I be but what I am? I gotta be me I Gotta Be Me is such a good, obnoxious karaoke song. It is such a good, like, just like, that's Life, Cat's Hive.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I forgot about that song and I jammed that whole album. When we're listening to this, Sammy is like. I think he's my favorite Rat Packer now, easily.

[Eddie]

He's my number two. Obviously, I like Frank. I like his. I love Frank's voice and stuff, but he's my number two.

[Henry Zabrowski]

See, Dean was my guy and he took over for that. So Frank's down to number three for me. Yeah. And unfortunately, you know, his last name is Bishop, so he's out.

[Eddie]

Bishop sucks. Fuck off, Joey.

[Marcus Parks]

Now, Anton Hagarty and Aquino spent the next few months weirdly hovering around Sammy Davis Jr's house without actually knocking on the door or letting Sammy know that they were even in the neighborhood. Because, as I said before, certain elements of Hollywood tended to intimidate Anton Leveque. He could give great advice to Michael Aquino, but when it came time to do it himself, he was. He could get a little pea shy.

[Eddie]

He was not, though.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He was there with this giant gold

[Eddie]

helmet, sitting outside in the bushes. Everybody, sit back, everybody. Hey, play cool. Play cool. Don't worry. No, no, no. Play cool. No, it's just he's. He's facing us with his dead eye. He's cool. No, he can't see us. No, he's idea that we're driving the hearse. No idea.

[Marcus Parks]

I mean, you gotta remember that at heart, Anton lavey was still just a carny trying to level up in the world of entertainment. And while it's all show business, there's a wide gulf between carnival folk like the former Tony Levy and Hollywood stars like Sammy Davis Jr. Oh, there is miles apart.

[Eddie]

I'd actually kind of even say that Sammy Davis Jr. Is a more powerful magician than Anton Lavey.

[Marcus Parks]

Sure.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Because he's successful.

[Eddie]

He's successful. I'm not even joking.

[Marcus Parks]

But perhaps keeping their distance was the right move, because a few months after the concert at the Circle Star theater, Sammy Davis Jr. Invited Anton and Diane, but not Michael Aquino.

[Eddie]

I thought I made such a good impression. I thought everybody was gonna get me. Look at my eyebrows. Aren't I diabolical?

[Marcus Parks]

He invited Anton and Diane to a small gathering at his home. Reportedly, when Davis opened the door, he hugged Anton and Diane as if they were all old friends. But besides Anton and Diane, Davis had also invited a pair of young witches. Presumably Davis was hoping to explore the sexually experimental side of satanic indulgence with the heads of the church themselves. Because after all, who's gonna be freakier than the head freaks?

[Eddie]

That's what you think.

[Marcus Parks]

That's what you think. But what Davis didn't know is that despite the fact that lavey continually encouraged others to indulge in their most carnal yet consensual ur, lavey and Hagarty were not swingers. Orgies weren't their thing. They liked piss.

[Eddie]

Oh, they liked piss.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, yeah, great deal.

[Eddie]

So much.

[Marcus Parks]

Is this the time to talk about piss?

[Eddie]

Yeah, sure. So one of the fun things that is revealed in these books by Michael Aquino is the fact that they heavily sanitize the rituals in the satanic Bible, which is kind of funny that they did. They hid the real stuff. So in the original satanic mass, not only did they put a little thing of the wafer, the Christian wafer, inside the hoo ha of the naked lady altar, right? Once they put it in the chucha, then her job was to masturbate to completion on top of it with it, her in her side, inside her, right? Then he pops it out of the slot after she's come, he puts it in a cup of pee pee until it dissolves. Everybody drinks the pee pee because a woman dresses, a nun is pissed into a bowl before then. And everyone drinks that pee pee. And then at the end of that, after everybody's had all the piss and that lady come filled wafer, Anton lavey stands in front of everybody, jerks off to completion, and then that's the end. And that happened multiple times.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Did he jerk off to completion in the thing that everyone drank?

[Eddie]

No, after the fact, he would come into a cup and then they would put it on the altar and it

[Henry Zabrowski]

was like, that's like no one drank has come.

[Eddie]

No, I don't think the lady come

[Henry Zabrowski]

in the piss in the. In the Catholic cookie.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

They're not monsters.

[Eddie]

Yeah, yeah. They're not disgusting. Don't make it gay.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, I do love those Catholic cookies.

[Eddie]

I just see a big pack of them just, you know, wrapped up in pursuit.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, you pop them, I flip them in the air like I'm an old timey gangster, Catch it in my mouth. Have a good time. Like, this one's for you, old man.

[Eddie]

Put one in a. See how it goes. That's Julie,

[Marcus Parks]

the point is all that's ritual stuff, you know, and it's all very controlled. It's not a part of their daily Lives.

[Eddie]

No. And right after, they literally had coffee and cake. Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

So on the nights that Davis hung out with lavey and Hagarty, these ended up being Sammy Davis Jr's tame nights. Anton and Diane were his sober friends who were more likely to bring over a German silent film to watch than a fat sack of drugs to snort.

[Eddie]

They're just fucking nerds.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's honestly like, when fans finally get the chance to hang out with us, it's like, oddly boring.

[Eddie]

Ye. Sorry, guys.

[Marcus Parks]

Real normal shit.

[Eddie]

Real normal.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You like the pool?

[Eddie]

Yeah, honestly, pool is great.

[Marcus Parks]

See, besides sex, Sammy Davis Jr also had a taste for substances. He was a whiskey man with a nose for cocaine. But when Anton and Diane settled in during that very first hang, Davis's silver cocaine bowl got pushed behind the bar with his whiskey. Instead of Dabbling in indulgence, LaVey and Davis spent hours discussing the tenants of Satanism. And while lavey was disappoint to hear the NBC hadn't picked up Poor Devil, he was damn near euphoric to hear that Davis was both experienced with Satanism and informed of its finer, more subtle points.

[Henry Zabrowski]

See, I always thought that if I'm going to discuss the tenets of Satanism, cocaine would help.

[Eddie]

You know, you think. You really think that they'd be wanting to have more fun? Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

What is it? I can't remember what Robert Evans said about cocaine. You know, it ruins the boater, but it turns up the verbosity. Something like that, yeah.

[Eddie]

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[Marcus Parks]

Now over the next several years, throughout the mid-70s, Anton LaVey and Diane Hagar became Sammy's regular guests at intimate dinners, big parties, live shows and visits to Sammy's second home near Lake Tahoe.

[Eddie]

Gotta remember Anton and Diane, fabulous dinner guests.

[Marcus Parks]

Great dinner guests at Lake Tahoe. Lavey was flattered to see that Davis had displayed the Baphomet necklace presented by the Church of Satan in a prominent place in his master bedroom. Because Sammy Davis Jr. Was, according to many girlfriends, an almost too frequent practitioner of sex magic.

[Eddie]

Fuck yeah, dude.

[Marcus Parks]

Sometimes you just want to fuck, yeah, dude. Sammy.

[Eddie]

Jeff, like, why do we got to do the whole prayer? Why are we doing the candles?

[Marcus Parks]

He was all about the rigamarole.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, I've heard a foreplay, but not 666 play.

[Eddie]

Hey, that's cute. Write it down. That's really good. Write it down. I don't got to write it down. It's gone now.

[Marcus Parks]

But while Sammy Davis Jr. Would flirt with Diane Hagarty on occasion, it was not his fairly innocent comments about Diane that would eventually inflame lavey's jealousy. Instead, Anton lavey was more jealous of one of Sammy Davis Jr's other friendships. See, from what I can tell, Anton lavey wanted to be Sammy's only spooky friend.

[Eddie]

I don't understand. I thought I was your spooky friend. Why is she bringing somebody else? But that's fine. Oh, that's fine. Oh, yeah, I'm sure they're super spooky, but I thought I was a spooky guy.

[Henry Zabrowski]

How often do we have to hang out with Billy Crystal?

[Eddie]

Yeah, now he's spooky. He's spooky. He scares me. He could be anybody. Muhammad Ali, anybody black. Think it'll be you. I can't believe it.

[Marcus Parks]

When Sammy put together a dinner party, he invited both Anton Levey and Christopher Lee, Sammy's co star on Poor Devil. Jealousy was inflamed and eventually Anton went on the attack because Christopher Lee is.

[Eddie]

Is himself. He believes himself to be like an occult master. Sure, right. So on his own, he's killed people too. He's killed people. He knew J.R.R. tolkien. He is. Saruman is that guy. He was fully into the occult. But what Anton Lavey and Sammy Davis Jr. Didn't know is that he was on the other side of the occult. He's like a witch finder general. He's like one of those guys that believe. He's like, the power of Christ does beat the power of evil. And the reason why I do my films is to show the folly of evil. Like it's his whole thing. And he didn't understand that he was walking into one of those.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

And also, like, if you just put Christopher Lee, if you stack up Christopher Lee next to Anton lavey as a man, Anton Lev is a piss ass.

[Eddie]

Oh, you can literally beat him to death. No, he's giant.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Right.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, no, I mean, I'm talking about just. I'm talking about more character wise.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, yeah.

[Eddie]

Christopher Lee's a incredible artist.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Anton lavey was actually pretty big. He was over six foot tall.

[Eddie]

Oh, I didn't actually really think about that.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Christopher Lee was six. Five.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, he was six foot five. Yeah, exactly.

[Eddie]

But he also. He had time in the war.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, Davis thought that lavey and Christopher Lee would get along great.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Sure.

[Marcus Parks]

I mean, come on, you're the Church of Satan, you're Dracula. It's gonna be awesome.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

But it was soon obvious that lavey was both insecure with how close Lee and Davis were. And he was also said to have been annoyed by Christopher Lee's quote, priggish manner. Yeah.

[Eddie]

You don't like my priggish manner? Well, I don't like your facial hair that looks like the trimmed bush of a old woman. I hate, hate your goatee so much, I want to put a bayonet in it.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Such a bad choice by Anton lavey. If he would have buttered him up, if he would have kissed his ass a little bit, imagine what getting Dracula

[Eddie]

would do for the church. Well, don't you think that Anton lavey, he. It just was. He really was too bitter for his own good.

[Marcus Parks]

He really was. He couldn't. He couldn't see the forest for the trees. Because it's like with Christopher Lee, you get in with Christopher Lee. Oh, that's the world of B movies opens up. He. He's the. At this point, he. The king of the B movies.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He would have been a movie star.

[Marcus Parks]

Anton lavey might have been. But yeah. Eventually everything came to a head when Lave started an argument over who was the best Dracula. Lee himself, who had played Dracula 10 times or the original Bella Lugosi. Lavey, of course, was, why did you do this?

[Eddie]

Who is doing. Who thought this was a good idea?

[Marcus Parks]

Such an antagonistic.

[Eddie]

They.

[Marcus Parks]

So in Dracula, you. He's pretty good, you know. No, Bella Gosi. But you know, if you want to,

[Eddie]

I will smite the witch.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I like Bela Gosi number one, Blacula number two.

[Eddie]

And then I think you're probably three. I think I thought about, Let me ask you, you thought about being black?

[Marcus Parks]

Well, the of course was adamant that Christopher Lee was. Was dog as Dracula compared to bella. And after Lavey baited Lee a little too much, Sammy Davis Jr. Had to step in just before Lee and Lavey got into an actual fist fight. But considering how Sammy Davis Jr. Was 5 foot 4 and Christopher Lee was 6 foot 5, I think the so called fight was more for show than anything. I think they just kind of, you know, bowed out.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Would you say me.

[Eddie]

Would you say to what you said? I curse you.

[Marcus Parks]

Hey, listen, you guys gotta calm down. See?

[Eddie]

Yeah. You crazy cats. Why are we doing this? You girls, you girls are getting cold.

[Marcus Parks]

Even though the spooky boys dinner party went badly, lavey and Davis friendship continued to grow for reasons beyond just a good hang. See, lavey accepted Davis for everything that he was, including the fact that Sammy Davis Jr. Was also bisexual. Or at the very least, least highly fluid when it came to sexual relations. And so Lavey and Davis were friends. Throughout the 1970s, Lavey would send books on the occult to Davis with the sign off infernally yours, while the two developed a shared nickname for Satan. They called him by the archaic term old slue foot, which Davis loved because he was an accomplished tap and soft shoe performer.

[Eddie]

Well, that was so funny because they keep, they always call them in their letters, they always call him the man downstairs. Check with the man downstairs. Like it's his whole thing that he does where it's like, yeah, I checked in with the man downstairs. It's not gonna fly. It's really funny the way they just felt like, God, so cool.

[Marcus Parks]

It is, yeah. Now, throughout his friendship with Sammy Davis Jr. It seems like Lavey was finally getting everything he wanted. Davis brought Anton into his inner circle of show business connections. And at Davis's parties, Anton lavey finally felt like he belonged. He was holding his own with Hollywood stars and music industry professionals alike. You know, Christopher Lee, of course a celebrity died, but there was one man that Anton lavey forgot all about. A man that still had a lot of poor with Sammy Davis Jr. Even though he had always treated him as little more than a prop. That man was none other than the leader of the Rat Pack himself. Oh, blue eyes. Frank Sinatra.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

God, you know, he was obviously an.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He was such a brick involved with the mob and all that, but, like,

[Eddie]

fake too, you know what I mean?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, he really was. He was.

[Eddie]

He got. He put himself in the mob.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Will say. I mean, like, that's where the money is. Oh, yeah. That's what Sammy's got.

[Eddie]

Everything, yo.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's where it all is.

[Eddie]

I'm trying, like, the Frank Sinatra, like, accent's also so good. Being like. There was a story Don Rickles was saying about how one night him and Frank were out drinking until like 3 o' clock in the morning, and he said there was this lightning storm outside the bar. And then the lightning would flash, the lightning would flash and Frank Sinatra eventually was like, someone go tell those photographers. Just knock that off.

[Marcus Parks]

As the 70s turned into the 80s, Sammy Davis Jr. S social life was getting a little too groovy for the famously square Frank Sinatra. Now, granted, Davis was definitely partying way too hard. But from what it seems like it was Davis's close association with Satanists like Anton lavey that really got Sinatra's go. So sometime in the late 70s, Sinatra told Davis to get his shit together and cool it with the drugs and the booze. But above all all, stop hanging out with all these godforsaken Satanists.

[Eddie]

Italians do not like Satanism. They're not a fan.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No. It's very interesting because you figured they would love it.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, no, they think so. They're certainly a fan of nun porn, which is pretty close to Satanism, if you ask me.

[Eddie]

Yeah, they just are. They're big priest fans over there. Yeah, big priest fans. They really believe in the church.

[Marcus Parks]

They do. But Sinatra's comment about Satanists was highly ironic. Ironic when you consider that the time Davis spent with Satanists were always his most sober and sexless nights.

[Eddie]

Yeah, that was when he was learning.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, he's like, Sinatra should have said, yeah, those Satanists, good influence. Keep hanging out with them.

[Eddie]

Yeah, stop hanging out with the old. Send them to me. Send them old, Frankie boy.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But Sinatra was the connection. All the money, all the producers. Oh, yes, Mob. No one likes this.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. Now, we don't know for sure if Sinatra's tut tutting is really what caused Davis to pull back on his friendship with Anton lavey. But after the conversation, little by little, the frequent hangouts turned into occasional phone calls, and Anton and Sammy drifted apart. By the end of the decade, it also could have been Sammy Davis Jr. Or someone close to him. They saw what was coming on the horizon in the 1980s. See an excerpt from one of Davis's many memoirs. 1980s Hollywood in a Suitcase. It ran in the New York Daily News as a preview under the subtitle A Touch of Satanism and Lessons in Love.

[Eddie]

Those fucking bastards.

[Marcus Parks]

In this excerpt, Davis wrote that he joined the Church of Satan and still had many friends within the organization. Flat out writing, I became a Satanist. But when the book was actually released, all mentions of the Church of Satan had been wiped away because the Satanic panic had finally arrived.

[Eddie]

This is where the temperature changes for this whole fucking thing. 1980, as you start to see, they had an issue in the Grottoes, right? So the grottoes were obviously, was the main problem because the grottoes were. Was a constant fight since the beginning of the church.

[Marcus Parks]

And the Grottoes, just to remind you, were the kind of satellites of the Church of Satan, which people would kind of grow their own satanic organization within their community.

[Eddie]

Yeah, it was like they had to

[Marcus Parks]

report back to the Church of Satan in San Francisco.

[Henry Zabrowski]

They did.

[Eddie]

There was a Lilith one, the Yoga, there was Babylon, there was Stigan. All these, like, kind of different names. And each one them kind of had a pro. They had a constant issue with what do. How do we manage these? How tightly are we supposed to be running these? How much are we supposed to be micromanaging these grottos? Michael Aquino was like, total freedom. Every one of them needs to do whatever they want, cause constant problems. And the main. One of the main problems is being out or being in as a Satanist, which means either being a public Satanist or being a. What Anton the Valley like to call his underground clergy. His underground clergy were his was his favorite, which is people that had regular jobs, mobs that did not want the world in general to know that they were Satanists. But they showed up to the rituals. The main problems the Grottos were having was, yeah, people were signing up, but no one was coming to the ritual. No one was doing stuff because some were. Some of the grottos were out. Some of the grottos meant like, oh, we have public rosters. You could know that who is here? And there were people that, like, they were constantly fighting back and forth. How do you figure this out? And the Satanic panic was one of those things that accelerated, generated all of it. Because one grotto was like, we're mainly undercover people. Are we? What are we supposed to do? And it was this entire scandal a local same thing that kind of always happens. A teacher molested a bunch of kids. They like, did a whole thing about Satanic cults and all this kind of A lot of heat was growing around this one grotto and they were like, what the are we supposed to do? How do we save ourselves from all this heat? And Anton lavey wrote a scathing letter being like, you're supposed to stand, stand up for the Church of Satan and go write about how we don't do this. You're supposed to stand up, identify yourselves and do this. And it created this massive problem. It was like one of the first things where they were like, no, you're, you're, you're like now micromanaging us after telling us we could do whatever the hell we want. And it caused a big issue, destroyed that grotto.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. Now, even though Sammy Davis Jr. Was no longer public with his Satanism, he never stopped practicing. And he was known to cautiously gauge interest in Satanism with other celebrities if he got a feeling that the other celebrity might be hip. I, I, I love this one.

[Eddie]

This good.

[Marcus Parks]

When a tribute show was being put together for Sammy Davis Jr. In 1989 after he was diagnosed with terminal throat cancer, Eddie Murphy was chosen as the mc. Reportedly during a dinner between Eddie Murphy And Sammy Davis Jr. Sammy Lightly said, you know, Satan's as powerful as God.

[Eddie]

That's so cool.

[Marcus Parks]

Just dropping it in there.

[Eddie]

Sam Davis Jr. Is the only real Satan dude. He's like, he's so close to being the top curse of Satanism. He was so close.

[Marcus Parks]

Just dropping it into a conversation with Eddie Murphy in 1989 when Eddie Murphy is like the most famous man on earth.

[Eddie]

Oh yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

22 years old, hottest red hot star.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, the famously closed minded Eddie Murphy just responded with, what the are you talking about?

[Eddie]

I don't know, I, I'm just talking,

[Marcus Parks]

you know, Sammy, Sammy just talks. So Davis dropped the subject as soon as it was brought up. But according to friends and girlfriends, Davis practiced Satanism and ritual magic well into his dying days. One girlfriend said that she had to stop seeing Sammy because of his interest in sex magic in particular, but not because he did anything bad. Lovemaking, she said, became a ritual tied into the worship of the occult in ways that she didn't want to understand. But it must be said that Sammy's practice did get quite dark at times with everyone's concern. Davis was fond of drawing blood with sharp objects, like broken bottles, often from genital areas, but always like, so I just can imagine Sammy Davis like, you mind if I bring the bottle into

[Eddie]

it and just like, and then what? Just Billy Crystal, like watching from the cuck chair, just being like, I have this amazing idea about a play about Mickey Mantle, like, is that all he's doing?

[Marcus Parks]

But to his credit, it must be mentioned that his aforementioned wife, Alta Vis, stayed with Sammy from 1970 until his death 19 years later. In fact, the information about sex comes from Letters written to AltaVice in which a shared associate was seemingly just keeping Sammy's wife up to date on what her husband was doing. But when Sammy Davis Jr's big send off at the end of his life was televised in 1989, Anton Lavey was not invited. Instead, he watched it at home on TV with everyone else probably cursing Frank Sinatra mantra for having a hand in dashing lavey's obvious dreams of establishing himself in the world of entertainment. A chance like that would never come again.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, CBS doesn't want his ass there.

[Eddie]

No, they really don't, man. Because, you know, I do think a lot of it has to do with how kind of unsure and bashful he was. I think that I think Anton Lavey would.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, he had. By 89, he hadn't talked to Sammy Davis Jr.

[Eddie]

In a decade and he'd already becoming a rock star. Rotten pumpkin of himself.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Also as a show, Anton Levey would ruin the vibe.

[Marcus Parks]

He really would.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He would ruin the whole vibe of the whole tribute show.

[Eddie]

Nobody can't have him there. And that's the. And to be honest, that's Anton lavey's eternal sadness. And we see that in the letters. His eternal sadness of the fact that coining himself as the Pope of evil pushed everyone away.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

And he could never get in, made him and destroyed him. And he could never get into a community of people he liked again.

[Henry Zabrowski]

See, he put all his cards in the. Sammy Davis Jr. He should have been going to Jimmy Page.

[Eddie]

Well, he was doing a. He was sending out feelers. He was. And there. But the problem is, is that Jimmy Page was into fucking Lord of the Rings.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

And I, And I think that Anton lavey famously hated rock music. I think he really disliked it. Like he was a calliope player. And you also remember he's an old man. He was like, he's not. He is not a young. He was born in the 20s, you know, like, he's not into Led Zeppelin. You know, he doesn't care about all that. He thinks it's all noise. He wants calliope, he wants organ, he wants, you know, ring a ding ding.

[Eddie]

He wants big bands. He. Because his belief is that Satanism had left the earth. Like he's kind of had this belief a little bit of. There are like you can't just become a Satanist. You just are one or are not. So he is one of those where he couldn't. He was thought more people would show up. He thought more people would cool people would show up.

[Marcus Parks]

And he didn't like who showed up.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah. Also it's interesting because Frank Sinatra, he kind of lost his juju when he stuck. Even he. When he went against rock and roll. Yeah, he would have went into rock and roll a little bit. I mean he. Yes, he did his Mrs. Robinson cover,

[Eddie]

but this is a part of what I'm saying. My overarching idea of the reason why old wizards die hard is because they refuse to die first while they're alive. Gandalf the Gray had to die to become Gandalf the White in order to save everyone. And that requires self sacrifice. And that requires getting rid of the old you and growing into a third phase, which he never did. You know who did?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Liam Neeson.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, he did.

[Eddie]

Yeah, he did. Yeah, he got to see Pamela Anderson's vagina once. Yeah, that's huge.

[Marcus Parks]

And Sinatra also came. Came back in 1980 with New York, New York. Yes, that's the thing. No one realizes that he didn't do that until 1980.

[Henry Zabrowski]

What?

[Eddie]

Yeah, New York, New York is from 1980.

[Marcus Parks]

It's from a musical. Yeah, it's from. I can't remember what the musical was called, but yeah, it was from. I think that's.

[Eddie]

You idiot.

[Marcus Parks]

And so now that we've told the tale of Sammy Davis Jr. And the church of Satan, let's turn back the narrative clock to the early 1970s. 70s where we return our focus to the inner workings of the Church of Satan itself. See, in the early to mid 70s, that's when Anton Lavey started turning his eye more towards Hollywood. And Lavey's right hand man and head nerd, Michael Aquino, have been just as excited as Anton and Diane about the possibilities of Poor devil. But within just two years of those heady days, the schism between Aquino the academic and lavey the showman would grow too wide to. To fix when Aquino disagreed with one of lavey's new church policies. See Aquino, and this is very important. Aquino actually believed that Satan was real. Satan is a dude that you can talk to and ask to do things for you. Anton lavey was an atheist. This of course is a problem when two guys with these mindsets are trying to run a church together.

[Eddie]

Well, also there is a difference between the inner core group and then the outer group. So in Anton LA's inner group, he's way more willing to expand his consciousness in the inner group. He's way more willing to be, okay, we will do these ritual activities because according to Michael Aquino, this is what he means. This is what it means by Satan is real. Is that what he's saying, is that for Anton Lave, when they were doing the Satanic Mass, he. Anton Lave is saying this. This is a dramatic representation. It can lead you to things or not. But largely, this is just kind of a group building activity. We're doing this. But according to Michael Aquino, when they were all together, he knows that there was something else in the room, that every single time they did one of these things, that's where it started, that there was something else in the room and that they all acknowledged it. But then all of them would become too cool to acknowledge it later on because they did not want to face what they were doing.

[Marcus Parks]

But what they were.

[Eddie]

What was happening was that accidentally, my. Michael Aquino is just making Christianity again. He's just making it again, like. And so that's the problem. He's just replacing it with another thing.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, he's actually making Protestantism.

[Eddie]

We'll.

[Marcus Parks]

We'll get into here in a sec.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, lavey is like the show promoter, and Aquino's like the historian.

[Marcus Parks]

Yes, sure. Now, for Michael Aquino, the final insult came when he saw a draft for an article that lavey was planning to publish in the church's internal publication, the Cloven Hoof. See, Aquino is already miffed at lavey for dismantling the grotto system, which did not go smoothly.

[Eddie]

And it did not go like, oh, it's over.

[Marcus Parks]

No, no, no, no.

[Eddie]

It was just. It was just total cockamamie horseshit.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, Aquino kind of that one up

[Eddie]

they all that up.

[Marcus Parks]

Lavey's focus on materialism had always rankled Aquino's spiritual standards. But regardless of the purity that Aquino was wanting and expecting, in the fucking Church of Satan, a man's got to eat. And money was tight within the organization by 1975. So Lavey decided that he was going to simply sell initiatory ranks within the church, which, ironically, could be compared to the Catholic Church selling indulgences in the 16th century. Michel Aquino, playing the Martin Luther role in this situation, believed that simply selling ranks was dishonorable and corrupt, because what was the point of doing the reading if someone could just buy their way into a magic circle? But even though Michael Aquino offered alternatives, lavey refused to back down on the plan. So Michael Aquino left the Church of Satan along with a fair number of other Satanists who were also becoming disillusioned with Levi lavey to start their own movement called the Temple of Set. Being more focused on magical ritual and practice, Setianism has been described as more esoteric Satanism as opposed to lavey's rational flavor.

[Eddie]

Anton lavey served in the great legacy of other magical teachers. Simplifying the lessons.

[Marcus Parks]

Right.

[Eddie]

According to Anton Leve and the Satanic rituals, what he has already done is sur s like kind of like put together, summarize all of the various esoter schools in a one book according to their belief system. And so that's. He thought, we're done, we've done this now. This is the set of rituals. We go. Michael Aquino is trying to say, we're not going far enough.

[Marcus Parks]

Yes.

[Eddie]

Because Anton lavey is saying, no, the whole point of this is to unleash your personal power. Lesser magic, yes, there is greater magic, which is the idea of changing the world and becoming one with the Godhead and doing all this stuff. But he even said that's for folks later. That's for your private time. That's for your own belief system, blah, blah, blah. This whole thing is to release the lesser magic, the things that you can actually control and manipulate in a 1 to 1 Carney level. And Michael Kino just refused to believe that because he had this idea that, no, there is this like burning thing inside us all that will purify us.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah. So Aquino is like actually crazy.

[Eddie]

Well, if you read this, thank you for the man from the street. The Temple of Set book is, I

[Marcus Parks]

would say Michael Aquino is no crazier than a priest.

[Eddie]

No.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, they're crazy.

[Eddie]

Exactly. The Temple of Set books. The reason why I don't bring those in is because those are the most boring things you've ever read. Even more boring than this, because the thing about this book, the Church of Satan by Michael Aquino, Volume 1, is that it's every single subreddit meltdown you've ever written. But they had to write letters instead of instant messages. So they literally had to spend weeks back and forth doing a mod breakdown in a Reddit group.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, no. The grotto system falling apart. It's just mod drama.

[Eddie]

Oh, my God.

[Marcus Parks]

All it is.

[Eddie]

Oh my God, is it my drama? And honestly, in every single thing is the squeakiest wheel gets the fucking grease. Every single thing is the least important grotto and the least important people are the ones causing the most important problems.

[Marcus Parks]

Always, always, always, always. That is always the rule.

[Eddie]

Yes.

[Marcus Parks]

Now, within a year of his breakup with lavey, Aquino wrote a new manifesto claiming that it was was born entirely through automatic writing, just like Aleister Crowley's Book of the Law. But Aquino was a nerd who didn't have a sense of humor. So he was not prepared for all the ejaculate jokes that would no doubt be made when he named the foundational text for his new satanic religion. He named it the Book of Coming Forth by Night.

[Eddie]

Hey, man, I just hate being behind those first three dudes.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's like, listen, your book is just like. It's your book's titles. Like, what? What is it? It's just Coming Forth by Night.

[Marcus Parks]

The Coming Forth by Night.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, yeah, no, that's fine.

[Eddie]

I don't get it. Where do you want it? It happened at night. That's not the problem, Mike. I came. I came at night. I came forth at night. At night. Well, so this is the Book of Coming.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's like.

[Eddie]

Well, you know what it is? You know what it is? What? It's a take on the Book of Coming Forth by Day, which is in the Egyptian Book of the Dead.

[Marcus Parks]

Sure.

[Eddie]

He just stole the name of the book.

[Marcus Parks]

No, of course he stole it.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But it's.

[Eddie]

He just.

[Marcus Parks]

You gotta. You gotta look at it and think like, okay, no, I can't do that. People are just gonna make a bunch of cum jokes.

[Eddie]

Of course.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Also, like, seism is way dumber than Satanism.

[Marcus Parks]

Super dumb. It doesn't. It doesn't roll off the tongue. There's no zip to it. Cuz they were mad at the temple of Set. Sounds cool.

[Eddie]

But that.

[Marcus Parks]

That's it.

[Eddie]

That's where it ends.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

Setian is dumb. And also the idea of. Because that was the idea is that devil. The devil appeared to him themselves.

[Marcus Parks]

Sedishes.

[Eddie]

Oh, the sedish, the seish. But he, according to Michael Aquino, the devil appeared to him and said, I want you to stop calling you by my Jewish name. Yeah. And because that's the whole thing is we. Yes, we kind of like glossed over a lot of stuff. But in the. The Jewish idea of like Satan, the word Satan is the adversary and all this kind of. But it kind of served as like a lighter villain, which was. We kind of talked about. But that the devil apparently went to Michael ain't know and says, why you got to make me so Jewish? And then they went and they changed him and he made him into Set because he's deeply into Egyptology.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, he says that he wants to be called by his proper original name, like what what we know as the biblical Satan is actually the ancient Egyptian deity Set God God of storms and desert, usurper and murderer of his brother Osiris.

[Eddie]

And his belief is that the Setian Egyptian princes and kings were the the most powerful and that once they started going away from that, it included the Osiris myth, which is where the Jesus myth would come from. That is when the Egyptian world started falling apart was when they decided that the Osiris myth was the main religion when before when they were worshiping Set, they controlled almost all of Africa.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Well, good for them.

[Eddie]

I do know that the I do.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That the Egyptians hate Jews. I know that much.

[Eddie]

That much I do know.

[Henry Zabrowski]

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[Marcus Parks]

The Temple of Set was, against all odds, a relative success, and Aquino continued running the Temple for years while maintaining rank in the United States Active guard reserve. Mostly, though, Aquino settled into the role of an academic, earning a PhD in political science before taking an adjunct professor job at Golden Gate University. Aquino also continued his fight with Anton Lavey, which some described as an obsession.

[Eddie]

It's 700 pages long.

[Marcus Parks]

Besides publishing a scathing history of the Church of Satan. That debunked many of lavey's claims about his own biography. Aquino also found and released divorce proceedings, restraining orders, and even bankruptcy filings that all painted lavey in a negative light.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Man, don't get in a fight with a nerd who's good at paperwork.

[Eddie]

Dude, that's the problem. Isn't the guy did all the paperwork is the guy that comes against you just like, oh, God, I got time for this. Yeah, yeah. Shut the fuck up, Michael. Michael, shut up.

[Marcus Parks]

And you can't fight him because he was the guy that did all the paperwork.

[Eddie]

He just knows everything. You don't know anything.

[Marcus Parks]

Whilst continuing the fight with Lavey, Aquino also became obsessed with Nazi occultism. See, in 1983, he went on a work trip on behalf of the United nations to Europe. But he decided to play hooky a bit so he could drop by Wevelsburg Castle in Germany. If you'll remember, Fevelsburg was supposed to be Heinrich Himmler's headquarters for his Nazi occult. Anna. Area Knights of the Round Table.

[Eddie]

Yay.

[Marcus Parks]

So after sneaking in, Aquino actually performed a magical ritual within the underground ceremonial space that Himmler was planning to use to hold his own rituals.

[Eddie]

You know, he didn't. You know, he didn't even sneak in. You know that he used his government contacts to get access to it.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, yeah, that's what he did.

[Eddie]

Yeah, he went in and he was like. He got in and then, I'm here from the un. I'm here. I'm here to do stuff. Whatever you want, man.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You know, the UN fucking hated that.

[Eddie]

Oh, yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, according to the Temple of Set Wikipedia page, out of this ritual came the second Order of the Trapezoid, which was a simple repackaging of Anton lavey's early governing body of the Church of Satan. But since Aquino was just as big of a nerd as Himmler, he took a page from Himmler's book and decreed that his Order of the Trapezoid was going to be a shadow, chivalric order of knights.

[Eddie]

The trapezoid is the door to the angles. The angles are the way to the center. The center is the heart of evil.

[Marcus Parks]

Sure. This, of course, brought accusations that Aquino was sympathetic to Nazi ideology.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He was.

[Marcus Parks]

And like all these, Aquino said that, you know, the Holocaust, it's repugnant.

[Eddie]

It really is. Dis.

[Marcus Parks]

Tasteful.

[Eddie]

Repugnant.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Like, it either.

[Eddie]

It really. It rubs me. That's my thing. It rubs me the wrong way.

[Marcus Parks]

But he also believed that Heinrich Himmler had, through occult means, summoned an extraordinary Psychic force. That force, Aquino said, had been misdirected by the Nazis. Although according to Aquino, quote, it need not have been.

[Eddie]

Whatever. Yeah, yeah, just say it normal, Michael. You know, I upon re reading all of this, right? So Anton lavey and Michael Aquino had very different views. Views on Nazism. They did. But his view, I think Michael Aquino's view, Anton lavey's view is opportunistically naive and. And probably misaligned with the rest of the world.

[Marcus Parks]

Super, Michael, we'll get into that later.

[Eddie]

Yeah, Michael Aquino is one of those guys of. The reason why I don't like Neo Nazis is because the OG Nazis would have killed them all because they're weak, not tough enough. They're not. They don't do it right. The idea is that they didn't do it right. Himmler would have killed these Neo Nazis. This is whole belief in this idea that anything and it's like, would they. Again, another thing he doesn't particularly understand is that if your magic is attached the Holocaust, it doesn't matter what good it could have done. Yeah, it doesn't. I'm just talking as a wizard, right. I'm talking as a fake wizard on a podcast telling somebody to understand that you even I know anything that's connected to the Holocaust is not the Holocaust. Ain't a mistake.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

You know, I mean, it's not just like, who, man? Is that a whoopsie do? All right? It is a gigantic jet genocide machine created by a specific point of view, fueled by occultism. So let's just not act like it's. Fuck it. That it's set. You can't separate the two.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I just can't believe the military let him stick around.

[Eddie]

Well, you also have to remember that he was good at, quote unquote, good at his job. And also, this is a time period and you've. We've talked about this. World War II was a lot closer. Right. So we kind of had already beat the Nazis. So there is still a little tiny bit of a view of like, even if they pop up, we're kind of like.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. I mean, no one's really taking the Nazis seriously.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, they're losers. Yeah.

[Eddie]

Right now.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

Yeah. Not now. Not now, but in 1983.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. And also, it's not like he is, you know, broadcasting that he's doing all this stuff.

[Eddie]

No, he kept it close to the vest.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. And the. And the army also, you know, especially intelligence services. Intelligence services don't give a. What you do outside of your own personal life. Outside of what they ask you to do as long as you get the job done. They don't give a. They don't care at all.

[Eddie]

It's kind of the problem with them.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. But as Michael Aquino became a far more visible Satanist, or Setian as he'd call it, the target on his back got larger and larger as the satanic panic was cultivated by the same people Aquino was courting.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, I thought the target on his back got larger and larger as he got fatter. That too.

[Eddie]

That. I think the shirt just got tighter.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, Aquino appeared as a guest on not just the Oprah Winfrey show, but also on Geraldo. And few people in the media did more to stoke the flames of the Satanic panic than Geraldo Rivera, even though

[Henry Zabrowski]

he had the same facial hair as Anton lavey.

[Marcus Parks]

But even though I suppose Aquino was trying the hide in plain sight tactic. The Satanic panic finally touched Michael Aquino in 1986 after an investigation was opened looking into accusations of satanic ritual abuse at the Presidio army bases daycare in San Francisco. Allegedly, 58 children were abused at the daycare. And by 1987, Michael Aquino himself was named when the three year old daughter of an army chaplain accused Aquino of sexually abusing her during a satanic rite held at Aquino's San Francisco home.

[Henry Zabrowski]

What?

[Marcus Parks]

Yes. Yes. No, this shit happened.

[Eddie]

The big man with the eyebrows, he

[Henry Zabrowski]

did it to me when we were

[Eddie]

talking about the devil.

[Marcus Parks]

It happened hundreds upon hundreds of times throughout the entire decade into the 90s. People went to prison on shit like this.

[Eddie]

It's happening right now. Again.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, but it's. But back then specifically it's. The idea is, you know, kids want to please. That's what kids. That's all a kid wants to do is a kid wants to make you happy and a kid wants to get a reward. So they would start asking these kids leading questions and the kid just kept saying yes because they would get rewarded anytime they said yes. And you know, kids of course say wild like they just say wacky shit like, you know, the things that don't make any sense, but the people asking the questions would take them seriously and it would just build and build and build and build until finally you had a, an entire satanic underground that didn't actually exist. It was basically built by three year olds.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah. Fucking three year old doesn't even know the English language.

[Eddie]

Well, the reason why they were weaponizing 3 year olds in order to prop up to either create smoke screens for their own crimes. I'm just going to Say that they were very. Either covering up for themselves and they were using the innocent words of a three year old in order to do that, or they were specifically of the belief which we saw with the West Memphis three. This. They get this idea. These, like, local yokels start to have this idea that I'm fighting Satan himself because I believe. I believe that this shit is real. So if you don't believe. If no one would believe any of this.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

If they actually didn't believe in Satan himself.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. And that's the. But that's the thing is that with that. I mean, that West Memphis Three, that. That is definitely local yokels. This is a fucking army base in the middle of San Francisco. Like, I mean, these are serious, serious accusations against people within the military itself. And people are taking it extraordinarily seriously.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You know what's interesting is I always. And we see this happening now and like, they hate something and they go at it so hard to try and take it down. All they end up doing is making it more popular.

[Marcus Parks]

Always. Yeah. And we'll actually give specific, concrete examples of that later on in this episode. Well, police raided Michael Aquino's San Francisco home and searched high and low for any sign of satanic ritual abuse. But of course they found nothing, because nobody ever once found anything, ever, anywhere. Eventually it was discovered that Aquino wasn't even in San Francisco when the abuse was supposed to have taken place.

[Eddie]

And you can go look that up, y', all, because I've already seen some messages about Michael Aquino. It's all. We are still getting it. And that's the thing. Michael Aquino sued everybody who wrote the books about him naming him as the suspect.

[Marcus Parks]

And he won.

[Eddie]

And he won. And then the thing is. But guess what? It didn't do anything because I'm still getting emails calling Michael Aquino a child molester. And it's like he's a lot of things.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, he's.

[Eddie]

But he's not a child molester.

[Marcus Parks]

He's mostly just an asshole. An asshole.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

The physical ability, he honestly could probably

[Eddie]

barely get it up for his wife.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

I don't know. I will admit he does have child molester bodies.

[Eddie]

Of course he does. That's why it's stuck. Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

The chubby. It's the chubby head. It's the chubby face. It just screams child molester. Yeah. Yeah.

[Eddie]

It's the little eyebrows. I mean, we all know it's the eyebrows.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Likable, too.

[Marcus Parks]

So incredibly unlikable. Yeah, but. And that's the thing. He Wasn't even living in San Francisco when all this was happening. He was living across the country in Washington D.C. provably living across the country in Washington D.C. it was proven in court that he was not anywhere near San Francisco when all this happened. But the allegations followed Aquino for the rest of his days. After years of battling the false rumors, he finally shot and killed himself with a gun in 2019 in the face of terminal cancer.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's a wild couple of sentences.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh yeah,

[Eddie]

he had a rough end there.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, that was.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Michael Aquino ended hard.

[Eddie]

Yeah, that, that, like they all do.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, yeah, they really all end very hard. It is not like no one, none of these guys die like surrounded by their grandchildren or by friends or, or any. No, no beautiful ceremony. It's. It's a hard end every single time. It turns out spending your entire life, you know, cultivating hatred and anger and fear tends just like by the get time you get to the end of it, really not a whole lot of rainbows left.

[Eddie]

Yeah. Not a lot of selling points where they. Damn. Now.

[Marcus Parks]

Michael Aquino was not alone in the satanic ranks when it came to accusations of sympathy towards Nazis. Neo Nazis in particular. Anton Lavey did indeed pal around with neo Nazis throughout the 1970s and beyond, which seems at odds with his legitimate friendship with a Jewish black guy like Sammy Davis Jr. But the radical acceptance that LaVey and the Church of Satan had towards Sammy Davis Jr. That worked both. Both ways. While I certainly don't agree with it, it seems like Anton lavey would associate with anyone who tickled a certain intellectual curiosity, regardless of how foul their beliefs might be. But as we all know, as soon as you let Nazis inside in any capacity whatsoever, every other Nazi sees your organization or your location as a safe space. But it seems like Anton lavey was not familiar with the Nazi bar principle could, however, also be the Anton lavey simply found these people fascinating because the Neo Nazis who were supposedly friends with Anton lavey, they were in fact the weirdest and most pathetic of the entire bunch.

[Eddie]

There's one very illuminating letter in here that made me realize what Anton lavey was doing, which is again, I don't think it was correct. But he, he had a motive. So it was neither. It was not intellectual curiosity and it wasn't even like he was into the guys. He straight up, just straight up. He straight up said, satanism needs every ally. We need everyone. We need the Nazis and the Jews. In his mind, Anton Levay said the Neo Nazis were never all that serious. They held their Nazism on their sleeve. And that sleeve can be ripped off. And his idea was that I can insinuate myself into these Nazi groups. And then what we do is you start the. Oh yeah. Your enemies are my enemies. I hate those guys. It's like there's somebody even worse. The Catholic Church. Am I right? And that eventually Anton lavey would work his way through these. Join the Nazis and the Jewish people in a hatred towards the Christian church and as allies to Satanism. He doesn't understand that they're just not going to hang out. They're just not going to.

[Marcus Parks]

Common ground's not there. It's really stupid.

[Eddie]

It's not going to happen. In his pipe dream, he legitimately. Just because that was the things that everybody thinks that they're everybody else's YouTube using everybody else.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

And he thinks that, oh, they'll help us. And they're not even that serious. And it's just like, no, bro. It's like that's the problems that you're making them serious. Yeah. When you hang out with them, you give them legitimacy. And guess what? That is weirdly a lack of self esteem on your part. Pope of Satan.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

That's a lack of self esteem of you understanding how much you don't need them and how much technically you didn't need anybody. And you should have stuck to that. That I didn't need anybody.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah. Was desperate.

[Eddie]

He was. And he wanted. He has the trumpism thing of I just want a friend. He has a con man.

[Marcus Parks]

He just wants to be liked.

[Eddie]

The difference between the carny and I think than any other type of person in this is that he's a genuine entertainer. And I think that he had a vacuous hole in him that was looking for love. And I think a lot of con men are desperate for love. And then what they do is, is create a set of circumstances in which that love can be so powerful and so pervasive is that it's supernatural. That's why L. Ron Hubbard was looking for it. That's why these people look for it. It' because they're so empty.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

And they want love so bad. They want to be loved and unconditionally loved. So they have to create the occult to do it.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And he really is like portraying the lead character of Nightmare Alley.

[Eddie]

Yes.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

And he is not understanding the irony in it because like that's what I mean by third phase is that he doesn't understand. He's becoming the thing that he never wanted to be.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

It's why all these Guys end up bitter and alone at the end of their lives because they just, they refuse, refuse to change and they just become the, they just become the bitter old who doesn't do anything with their life.

[Eddie]

He actually weaponized it into a ritual called emotional crystallization initiation. It was an ECI thing that he called it. And what he would do is he said the way for a man to keep his youth was to surround himself with pictures of himself from his youth and to not engage with youth culture. He said that, that it's like. But it's the opposite. What he didn't understand is that he was crystallizing himself.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

Surrounded by. It's why James woods go. It's why people turn mega. It's because as you an older man, you get to this point, it's why older guys hit this point because you fall out of love with yourself.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

And you want to find new community and you want to find new excitement. You want to be around a bunch of people to make you feel exciting and young and fulfilled and all this stuff. And you want to remind, be reminded of when you were young.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

And it gets why fascism uses nostalgia as a weapon always.

[Marcus Parks]

It is the most powerful weapon they have. Well, the man that's usually identified as a neo Nazi associate of Anton Lavey is James Hartung Madol, who was raised in the upstate New York town of beacon, born in 1927 to an incredibly anti Semitic mother who brought Madol up herself.

[Eddie]

You never hear that.

[Marcus Parks]

You never do hear. It's like, boy, my mother hated Jews.

[Eddie]

It's never like that.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, James was, to put it lightly, a massive nerd. He was a lonely young boy who found refuge in science, going so far as to build a laboratory in his own home. But when he reached his teenage years, he came to see science in fian terms. The scientist, he came to believe was a semi divine mage who sought mastery of the earth and the whole universe.

[Eddie]

Oh, that's the guy who made tostinos. Yeah, yeah, I bet it. Yeah, the guy made fart pills.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, partly Madol's ideas on science came from the science fiction of the 1930s and 1940s, in which the so called heaven storming scientist fought against God himself.

[Eddie]

Fuck you, God. I've made rubber and it's synthetic. I don't need your plants anymore, God. I'm free from your yoke, Lord. I made lube.

[Marcus Parks]

I shall use these to make my

[Eddie]

pipes fit together better.

[Marcus Parks]

Madol also absorbed the authoritarian utopias and the master races that were so popular in the Sci fi of the era and when you mixed in his mother's anti Semitism and everything happening with the Nazis in Germany in the 1930s and 40s, you had James Madol, sci fi fascist,

[Eddie]

shooting Jews with lasers.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Before we go too far into this, I'm just curious like how, where is like the Church of Satan on science because obviously science has killed God. So like where?

[Eddie]

Oh they're very pro science. They are pro science and, but also Anton Lave is one of those guys that is into folk magic and like local curalls. So he is also into that like he does like science and stuff. Michael Aquino is a big like science guy obviously and then. But he also believes, believes that there's like lesser magics that can help you as well.

[Marcus Parks]

Let's say, let's say that they're more likely to die the death of Steve Jobs than most people maybe. Yeah. So in his late teens, James Madol found other sci fi fascists like author Charles B. Hudson. Hudson was a pre war American fascist who in addition to writing sci fi stories, had caught the attention of other American fascists with his bulletin America in Danger.

[Eddie]

The Turner Diaries is a sci fi novel.

[Marcus Parks]

Yes, it. No, there is a, a massive undercurrent of fascism within the sci fi community that's been there.

[Eddie]

China's always had a.

[Henry Zabrowski]

All of that obsessed with Atlantis.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, yeah. It's been there since the 30s and 40s. Well in this conspiracy laden publication America in Danger, Hudson blamed the Jews for every bad thing that ever happened in American history. Including the assassination of Abraham Lincoln.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No.

[Marcus Parks]

Anton Levay's future friend James Madol absorbed Hudson writings, mixed it with sci fi and turned it into his own flavor of Nazi movement. Managing to somehow be a nerdier fascist than even Heinrich Himmler. James Madol formed a far right political movement based in the sci fi community called the Animist Party, which was announced in an issue of the pulp magazine Startling Stories. He did this in 1945, which is an admittedly ballsy year to do this.

[Eddie]

Fascism's having a bad year, but I, I think that we could bring her back. Boys, let's go, let's go. I actually thought animus didn't Animus don't they believe? I thought that was like a whole thing where they believe every object has a soul.

[Marcus Parks]

I don't know why he called it the Animus Party. I couldn't really find much information on what the Animus Party because James Madol, like all of this information is out there, but he is kind, he's A bit of a forgotten figure in the Neo Nazi movement.

[Eddie]

Good.

[Marcus Parks]

But he is also shares a lot with the modern Nazis, you know, the modern far right.

[Eddie]

And the. With the modern fake reactionary Satanist groups are doing too. Like the ONA and those guys.

[Marcus Parks]

Sure.

[Eddie]

You know what? Also that was specifically disproved to be connected to Michael Aino.

[Marcus Parks]

What?

[Eddie]

The ona? Yeah. Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, let's not get into that too far. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Eddie]

I will talk about the Order of the Angles. You want to talk about a ritual. You want to get into some ritual ideas.

[Marcus Parks]

Really don't want to talk about Lovecraft

[Henry Zabrowski]

kind of comes series will end today.

[Eddie]

There's lots of stuff.

[Marcus Parks]

Don't want to talk about it in any way whatsoever.

[Eddie]

It's about the different ways to look at Satan.

[Marcus Parks]

Pretty soon, James Madol. Pretty soon, James Madol.

[Eddie]

The trapezoid's the door. The Angles are the way.

[Marcus Parks]

Stop it. Pretty soon, James Madol dropped the Animist party and joined forces with a German American named Kurt Murtig, who founded a neo Nazi group after Hitler's death called the National Renaissance Party. And I didn't realize how horrible of a name Kurt Mertig is until I said it out loud.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, but also it's great. I was thinking like, what a great

[Eddie]

Nazi name it is.

[Marcus Parks]

Kurt Murtic.

[Eddie]

Oh, here comes Mertig. Oh, I thought you all stopped talking because you were talking about me.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, actually, Murtagh was a German American. He was a German American. He had spent the 30s, like, being basically a Hitler fanboy. He had. He was one of the founders, like one of the first American Nazi parties. Big figure. But the group that he founded, the National Renaissance Party, it was taken from one of the last things Hitler wrote in which Hitler said that springing forth from his death would be, quote, the

[Eddie]

seed of the radiant renaissance of the National Socialist movement.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. And they died.

[Eddie]

I love the taste of bullets.

[Marcus Parks]

Gasoline, not petrol.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Excuse me, Eva, you tried this first.

[Eddie]

God, I love to kill a woman.

[Marcus Parks]

But Murtig was already an old man when he founded the nrp. So future friend of Anton Lavey, James Madol. He quickly took over as the leader of the National Renaissance party in 1949. But with Madol in charge, the NRP began exploring science fiction's other half, fantasy before. Hey, I prefer fantasy. I mean, we're more of. I'm a fantasy guy, you're a sci fi guy.

[Eddie]

That's how they'd get you.

[Marcus Parks]

That's how they.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I like westerns. Yeah.

[Eddie]

Where's my fat? Are Nazi Westerns.

[Marcus Parks]

Before long, Madol was injecting the NRP with occult ideas that were a mixture of the fantasy stories Heinrich Himmler had picked up from German Volk writers and the speculative fiction of pulp magazines. Medall began writing occult political treatises with names like the New Atlantis, a blueprint for an Aryan Garden of Eden in North America.

[Eddie]

There's like five racist dog whistles in that skilled. How many different racist dog whistles are just in that one sentence?

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, no, no, there's a lot of guys that's going to see that and go, oh, I'll pick that up.

[Henry Zabrowski]

The real New Atlantis is New Orleans.

[Marcus Parks]

Don't discount Miami. They're going to fucking race to the bottom of the ocean.

[Eddie]

Fingers crossed.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, in the New Atlantis, Madol predicted that once fascism took over and all the Jews and people of color were eliminated in America, the Aryan race would use its principles to take their ideology to the stars. But in the real world, Madol was having a hard time putting his fantasy hierarchies in into practice. Nobody except a few morons were listening to his ideas as he shouted them from the street corners of New York City. So Madol took those morons and established what he called his security echelon. These were his street fighters. They were supposed to be his stormtroopers. Madol and the security echelon would spend the next few decades harassing people on the streets of New York City while dressed as stormtroopers. Madol himself, he gave speeches, but he always wore a fucking crash helmet because he got his ass kicked so much. Now, besides the psychic damage they caused, they were relatively harmless in the physical realm. That changed, however, in 1963 during an incident that is alternately called. And I'm being totally serious here, it was called the White Castle plot or the siege on White Castle.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I've done that before. Yes. I'm just a.

[Eddie]

A trench warfare inside of a White Castle, you know? No, the, the.

[Marcus Parks]

The White Castle plot is. I'm really high, but I want some White Castle. How we going to get there?

[Eddie]

How we get there? I think the Uber driver stop at the drive through.

[Henry Zabrowski]

There's a whole movie about that.

[Eddie]

There's a gigantic. There's a whole movie. Yes.

[Marcus Parks]

That is about that.

[Eddie]

Yeah. And then you. I. To be.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I am definitely.

[Marcus Parks]

I'm talking about the burger joint White Castle here.

[Eddie]

Oh, yeah. I also will say this is the type of shit. Let's just say this is the type of stuff that made them not take the Neo Nazis super seriously. Yeah, I think that's the Problem is that they really were kind of cute for a while. Yeah, they were just kind of stupid.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

At this point, I'm more scared of Shredder and the Foot Clan.

[Eddie]

Yes. They were just bad. They're bad, stupid Nazis. They just yell at you and they're extremely unpopular. Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, In July of 1963, the Congress of Racial Equality, aka CORE, they were demonstrating against White Castle restaurants in the Bronx over racially discriminatory hiring practices.

[Eddie]

So which is what the cores, good or bad?

[Marcus Parks]

Good.

[Eddie]

Good.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah. And were they only hiring white people in the Bronx to work at White Castle?

[Marcus Parks]

Well, therein lies the problem.

[Eddie]

Different time.

[Marcus Parks]

It's also 1963. You know, the. The racial makeup of New York City changed incredibly fast throughout, like the. The 50s, 60s and 70s. Yeah. So we're, I believe in 1963, I can't remember if Robert Moses had completely destroyed the Bronx just yet. Yeah, but we're getting there.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Okay.

[Marcus Parks]

It's either right before or right after. But yes, you do bring up a good point. But it's. It's a time of transition in New York for New York City. Well, after James Madol's Neo Nazi National Renaissance Party heard about CORE protesting at the White Castle restaurant in the Bronx, they arrived to counter protest until literally defend the honor of White Castle. By the end, you can't be wrong.

[Eddie]

All the managers of the White Castle being like, I better get about thousand burgers out of that horse.

[Marcus Parks]

By the end of the White Castle plot, eight members of the NRP were arrested, but not because they had valiantly battled the members of CORE at a fast food restaurant restaurant in the Bronx. Instead, they were arrested because of their own incredible stupidity. See, three members of Medull's NRP had gotten their asses kicked by members of CORE at White Castle. So they went to the 43rd Precinct in the Bronx to report the assault.

[Eddie]

I got beat up. I just want to say, yes, we're. We are Nazis. Yes. But we got hurt. They slapped us. Can you please? Can you please. Yes, we're Nazis. We're the most powerful evil force in the world. One of them called me a honky. Can you imagine that? That's a racial slur. That's a racial attack.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I mean, in the 60s, the only place you're allowed to legally fight is the Bronx. Yeah, right.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, while one detective took the Nazi statement, another went out to take a look at the truck in which the NRP had arrived. Because it was obviously a very suspicious situation. The second detective saw out in the open a fully loaded 22 revolver loaded tear gas guns, a crossbow loaded with a steel tipped arrow, a butcher knife, a switchblade, a straight razor and an axe.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, you're gonna want to throw a blanket over that.

[Eddie]

But how will we get to it?

[Marcus Parks]

That's the arrogance of these guys. Like no, but we're white. We're the master race. Like these guys.

[Eddie]

These are cops. They understand what we're all about. Let's just say if you're the master race, you might want to master hiding all your crimes.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, Medulla was picked up later that day, charged with conspiracy and sentenced to two years in prison. But all that's to show you that the Neo Nazis that Anton LeVay kept company with, they were a bunch of morons. And you know, today's alt right pretty close to what Medall was like. They're specifically, they're really into Warhammer 40K unfortunately. They're big Dune fans. I know, I know the current alt right.

[Eddie]

Well that's just because they just don't. They don't understand the actual sacrifice that Lido 2 makes. And that is actually the key again, it's lack of understanding. Yes, there are certain parts about it, but also how in the are you possibly a Neo Nazi and anti Dude. What's literally against the Ubermensch and the concept of the ubermensch?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah. Mitch McConnell looks like a sandworm.

[Eddie]

We know. The best part about Mitch McConnell is that hopefully soon he'll be eaten by a bunch of dirt worms. That'll happen soon, right?

[Henry Zabrowski]

He'll be dead soon.

[Marcus Parks]

Now these are. These are a lot of the guys that they love Star Trek but they're

[Eddie]

like the Darth Vade.

[Marcus Parks]

Right. You know, they're the ones who. Who love the Empire instead of the rebels.

[Eddie]

They're inherently wrong. Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

And they all hate Star Trek because they say, you know, because Star Trek is too woke as they say Darth

[Henry Zabrowski]

Vader killed the Emperor.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

Darth Vader didn't like being Darth Vader. You miss the whole you the whole thing. Darth Vader hated being Darth Vader. He was upset. He was upset. He made. He was a slave.

[Marcus Parks]

He made the wrong choice.

[Eddie]

He was a slave. It was the wrong choice for him. And he knew and he only can find free was his death.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Can I.

[Eddie]

That's the whole idea of the film.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Can I piss people off real quick?

[Eddie]

Please.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Return of the Jedi is the best Star wars movie.

[Eddie]

Not. You are new to homeless. I love Empire.

[Marcus Parks]

Obviously I love Empire and I mean a new hope is easily the best starts Off.

[Eddie]

Believe me, I still.

[Marcus Parks]

That's a plus. It's a big plus. But also are supposed to be Wookies.

[Eddie]

They're supposed to be. They were. But also baby wookies. But I'm one of those. An axis and allies when we play it. I always play axis. Yeah, all right. I'm one of those guys. Right? Even I get it.

[Marcus Parks]

No, it's understandable. Sometimes you just shouldn't, you know, build your entire political philosophy around it.

[Eddie]

No, you're dumb if you do that.

[Marcus Parks]

Indeed, you're stupid. Now, concerning Medo's friendship with Anton Lavey. It was mostly their hostility towards Christianity that aligned their movement with Satanism.

[Eddie]

That's the idea.

[Marcus Parks]

Like Himler before him, Medall was looking for pre Christian pagan sources of the so called Aryan religion which of course never existed. But even so, his search for knowledge led him to Anton Lavey. Apparently Madol and Lavey met frequently at the NRP office and at an occult bookstore in New York City called the Warlock Bookshop. They started meeting sometime in the 1970s. Madol thereafter erected a large satanic altar in his apartment and also played recordings of Lavey's black masses at several NRP meetings. Now we don't know exactly what Madol and Lavey discussed, but a letter from 1974 does exist between Madol and a Church Satan member in which Medull asked if a small group of Satanists could help introduce NRP officers and members to quote more advanced concepts of occult philosophy. But from what it seems like the NRP and the Church of Satan, they were both fringe groups who were seen by society at large as evil. As one scholar of the far right put it, their cordial relationship was basically networking. The hated hobnobbing with the hated to see if they could gain something from one another. Yeah, one's trying. One is always trying to use the other one. And so nothing gets done.

[Eddie]

There was another group called the Order of the Black Ram that did like something like this too. And so Anton Lavey wrote a letter to them which has always kind of been like the Church of Satan's official stance, which is this idea of like he wrote this letter being like we cannot join forces because Satanism does not choose allies care like this. It chooses its allies carefully. But I will stand beside you in the fight against the Church. Like it's that style of horseshit.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Now the NRP is so old they're called the nnrp.

[Marcus Parks]

It's pretty good.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's not bad.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, I like it actually. You're allowing It NRP died real quick after James Mado.

[Eddie]

Oh, of course, of course.

[Marcus Parks]

As far as the fate of the NRP went, it died with James. When Madol succumbed to cancer in 1979, his mother turned over all of the NRP's so called records to a staunch French Canadian medicine loyalist named Jean.

[Eddie]

Jean

[Marcus Parks]

Madol's mother handed over all the documents at the memorial service for her son in New York City. But Jean, perhaps distraught after attending his friend's funeral, he struck a concrete abutment in the highway while on his way home. Jean was killed instantly, and the records Medull's mother had entrusted to John blew away like so much litter. Thus ending the National Renaissance Party. Within days of James Madol's death literally ended up as New York city garbage in 1979. Just more in the street.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I could see, like his mom at the funerals, like, I'm looking for Jean.

[Eddie]

Yeah, is Jean here?

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, yeah, Jean, James left a message that I'm supposed to give you. All these boxes, they're full of his. It's his things.

[Eddie]

That is the most wonderful thing I've ever seen in my life.

[Marcus Parks]

Now, from what I can tell, the 1970s truly were the last time that Anton Lavey had any fun with the Church of Satan. In 1980, the FBI and the Secret Service raided the Church of Satan's black house on Halloween, choosing the date, I'm sure, in an attempt to catch lavey doing something dirty. But the FBI did have a reason for being there. Because an informant had told the FBI that Anton lavey was involved in a plot to murder Senator Ted Kennedy.

[Eddie]

See, this is the type of he got really sick of dealing with.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, well, from what I can tell, lavey was supposed to be the go between on the murder, delivering eight kilos of hash to a Chicago Mafia boss as payment for the hit on Senator Kennedy. The informant said that he himself was a member of the Church of Satan and he was actually planning to instigate a gunfight during clearing. The handoff that would have resulted in lavey's death and hopefully in the death of the mobsters as well. And when the smoke cleared, the informant said that he was going to walk away with the drugs and walk straight into the Church of Satan to become its new leader, but possibly to get out of some other charge. The details are unclear. The informant was coming to the FBI with all this information instead. All this information was, of course, utterly in total horseshit. Of course, not even a single ounce of it was true.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's a good story.

[Marcus Parks]

It's a great story. It's a really great story. It's a really great story. But the authorities having no idea what actually happened inside the Church of Satan.

[Eddie]

Of course not. They think it's evil. They think he's evil.

[Henry Zabrowski]

They're probably terrified.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, they think they're going against the devil himself.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

They set up a massive operation to catch Anton lavey. The FBI, the Secret Service, the dea. They set up a of bunch blockade at Chicago's O hare airport to meet all incoming flights in the days preceding Halloween 1980, they were convinced that Lavey was going to arrive any day with a briefcase full of hash. Lavey, of course, never did. Instead, when agents raided lavey's house on Halloween, he was just sitting there hanging out.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He's an old man.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. He told the FBI that he had the highest regard for Senator Kennedy and his family and that he would never have any involvement with drugs because he was morally opposed to them. That was actually the truth. He was morally opposed to drugs.

[Eddie]

He didn't do drugs.

[Henry Zabrowski]

To see the FBI showing up, guns drawn like this is actually just kind of sad.

[Eddie]

Yeah, yeah. Like, oh, wow, you should be more

[Marcus Parks]

evil than this in 1980. He's, he's. Anton Lavey's 50.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

You know, he's 50 and the drain.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He's getting fat. Watching TV with the helmet, no shirt, gut hanging out.

[Eddie]

Do you like fiddle faddle? Fiddle faddle.

[Marcus Parks]

But part of the reason why the FBI might have taken the allegations again about Anton lavey so seriously is because earlier that year, the book that kicked off the Satanic Panic, Michelle Remembers, was released and it was taken incredibly seriously. Now, Michelle Remembers claimed to be an autobiographical account account of a woman who had been raised by Satanists who belonged to Anton lavey's Church of Satan. These Satanists had allegedly exposed this woman to satanic ritual abuse, so horrifying that she had repressed all the memories until a psychiatrist helped her recover them. Now, again, it is all bullshit.

[Eddie]

Anything attached to the Satanic Panic movement is not real.

[Marcus Parks]

It is not real. There is not a single ounce of proof for any of it in any way, way whatsoever.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Should be called Michelle Misremembers.

[Eddie]

It really should be. Let's dig her up. I want to see your bones.

[Marcus Parks]

But Michelle and her psychiatrist, they were great talk show guests. They were amazing. So the Satanic panic began to spread. Then came the McMartin preschool case in 1983, which featured 300 allegations of satanic ritual abuse that were completely and totally unfounded. Again, not a single Bit of evidence for any of it. Martin only resulted in wasted time, money, and energy. But while no convictions were obtained, the trial lasted seven years.

[Eddie]

Ruined everybody's life.

[Marcus Parks]

I believe it was the longest trial in California history, maybe even one of the. I think it still is one of the longest trials in American history. And it attracted. Attracted constant and frantic media coverage.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, man. So probably just took whatever money they had left.

[Eddie]

Everything. They just drained every. Just drained every single person that was attached to it. It's one of the. It's just a. Nothing but tragedy and pain.

[Marcus Parks]

Every person involved in the McMartin preschool, like they were just people who ran a daycare.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

And that was it. Just. They were. They liked kids and they got caught up in all of this and their lives were ruined. Hundreds of people had their lives ruined because Martin's just one. It's one of dozens that happened all across the United States for 15 years at least. Most often, the media sided with the prosecutors, and the Church of Satan was often singled out as a main culprit. The new show, 2020 made things even worse in 1985 when they accused Anton Lavey's satanic Bible of being responsible for America's supposed rash of child daycare ritual abuses.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Are you slandering Barbara Walters right now?

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Hey, if she was involved in this, then I'd say that Barbara Walters was wrong.

[Eddie]

Barbara Walters. And it's not slander, it's an opinion. It's an opinion. She was. She is wrong. And she had a big head and a tiny body.

[Marcus Parks]

Now, you'd think that Anton lavey would have had something to say about all this, but judging from his reaction, Lavey was all but done with being the boogeyman by 1985. And it's at this point in the story that Anton's daughter, Zena, recipient of the world's first saint Satanic baptism, returns, obviously.

[Eddie]

Also, we know Xeno Lavey is the DNA basis for the clone that is Taylor Swift was built by Nazi scientists in order to sway the public.

[Marcus Parks]

Because when she changed her name many years ago.

[Eddie]

You're right, Bettina. But just know that Taylor Swift is going to make a fascist turn. She's going to destroy the world. And I just want you to remember that I'm saying this right now. She's gonna make a fascist turn. We're going to have to probably sacrifice her to something. I just know that as a group, just. Just keep your eyes open for that. Just know that. Just remember that.

[Marcus Parks]

All right. Now, Zena was just 22 years old. When 2020 ran the story maligning the Church of Satan. But when she called her father Anton and asked him, what's your media strategy for this? He had nothing. As far as he was concerned, he didn't have anything to worry about. And he certainly wasn't going to. To go out into public to say anything.

[Eddie]

Yeah, he just rotted on the vine.

[Marcus Parks]

Zena was rightfully convinced that the situation was only going to get worse if they didn't respond at all. Because silence could be seen as an admission of guilt, or at the very least, you know, it left open speculation. And when speculation is open, that's when lies start to come in, and that's when people start deciding what the truth is for themselves.

[Eddie]

Yeah. And this is also about child rape.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh. People are being arrested and charged with crimes against children. This was absolutely something to take incredibly

[Eddie]

seriously to get in front of. You spent so long writing letters about, like, some of the letters in this fucking book are about, like, them arguing about the enamel distributors that they got for the Baphomet medallions. Like, shit like that, that he was all over all of this shit. And then when it comes to this, he's just nowhere.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, he's just gone.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He's defeated.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. I mean, finally, lavey admitted to his daughter that he actually didn't have anyone to deal with interviews or media appearances. Appearances anymore, because Diane Hagarty, co founder of the Church of Satan, she was gone by 1985.

[Eddie]

Oh, yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

In 1984, after years of emotional and physical abuse, Diane Hagarty left Anton Levey. She claimed that he had screamed at her frequently and had once knocked her unconscious with a headlock.

[Eddie]

All that started happening after he got old, too. It's like in the second, like the latter half of their marriage. Well, he seemed. It seemed to really ramp up.

[Marcus Parks]

It definitely ramped up. I mean, it was. It was known that he had anger problems privately, but the 1984 split was the first time that these allegations were made public.

[Eddie]

They viewed him as like a prickly grump, though. Like, it was like that kind of thing. And then he just got angrier and meaner.

[Marcus Parks]

And, you know, according to Anton and Diane's grandson, the abuse against Diane had only grown in the last few years that they were together. In other words, Anton's outward abuse seems to coincide with a realization in the Earth, early 1980s. This was as far as the ride was going to take him. He also didn't give a shit about what was happening in the outside world.

[Eddie]

That's the ECI Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Nor did he care what happened to anyone else as a result of the satanic panic. Xena, however, she did care. So she offered to help as the church's spokesperson temporarily until Anton found someone permanent. This temporary spokesperson role, however, would last far longer than Xena wanted. Because Anton Lave could be a very, very lazy man.

[Eddie]

Nothing illustrates this principle more than the Church of Satan book. Because the. All of the letters are from Diane. So all of the correspondence would like. Anton would write letters when he was specifically kind of moved by something or whatever. But Diane was the one doing it all. Diane was micromanaging the newsletter. Diane was micromanaging all the different Grotto stuff.

[Marcus Parks]

Micromanaging.

[Eddie]

Just managing with Michael. Michael Kino.

[Marcus Parks]

Right.

[Eddie]

She was doing it every. She was doing every bit of it. I honestly feel like she was the one with most of the passionate opinions. Yeah. About things and that Anton. Cuz she'd speak on behalf of Anton, right. Where be like, oh, Anton thinks this, but Baba thinks this. And she's like, no, you're just writing a letter.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah. And also like, Zena's like, you're dying. But this is the rest of my life.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

Now it's. Now it's on me.

[Marcus Parks]

And he's not even dying. He's like 54. He's 54 years old. He doesn't have any sort of like,

[Eddie]

does not look good for 54.

[Marcus Parks]

He looks very bad for 54. But he doesn't have a terminal illness. He's just done. He's done with life. So as the Church of Satan's official spokesperson, Zena appeared on every show from Phil Donahue to Sally Jesse Raphael, debating Christians while spreading the word about Satanism in an effort to put out some of the fires of the Satanic panic. Ironically, Xena's TV appearances caused membership numbers in the Church of Satan to skyrocket throughout the 80s, which never would have been possible if all those Christians hadn't made up all those stories about satanic ritual abuse.

[Eddie]

Because she's a beautiful woman and she made that perfect example.

[Marcus Parks]

She was very eloquent.

[Eddie]

Because also, if you look at all the pictures in this book, guess what it all is. Ugly men with incredibly hot women. It's the entire group.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's all. You like this so much.

[Eddie]

Yeah, buddy. That was the whole point. The whole point is that it allows nerdy idiots to hang out with the hottest chicks in the fucking city.

[Marcus Parks]

Sure.

[Henry Zabrowski]

So what's the deal? How come? I mean, ugly girls had to have been Satanists too.

[Eddie]

Honestly, very few. Well, because you Know what part of they all think? No, no. I would say, you know, it's not about that. It's not about. It's not ugly or pretty. It's feminine. Yes. One of the satanic principles is high masculinity, high femininity. So the women, if you were to come to there was like dress codes and there's other rules that we didn't get into in the actual nitty gritty of it. But he would say in it being like, if you're coming as a woman, I want to. I want them up. I want tits up. Makeup, hair. Like it's getting. I want you high. High, high fem.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, sure. All right.

[Eddie]

That's from Selling truth.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

All right. Satan.

[Marcus Parks]

Whatever you say. Satan.

[Eddie]

And the guys that wear suits.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, yeah, there. Because you're famous for your suits.

[Eddie]

It's different now. Now I'm not doing it.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I'm not going to his house.

[Eddie]

I do. I'm trying to wear more suits, turn more stuff.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, as it turned out, Xena was actually one of the people who helped put the satanic panic to bed. She worked with law enforcement agencies to set the record straight. Because before Xena opened the book, so to speak, law enforcement knew next to nothing about actual Satanism. For the cops, they'd watch the devil's reign and think it was real. Which is like scientists basing theories of time travel solely on back to the future. But thanks in part to Xena, the FBI issued a report in 1992 refuting all the criminal conspiracy theories concerning satanic ritual abuse. But by 1992, Zeena had already resigned from the Church of Satan and had renounced her dickhead father two years earlier. Because while Ann Anton lavey still wasn't what you'd call a good guy during the 60s and 70s, he became an absolute piece of in the 80s and 90s. And so by 1990, all of the people who'd been with Anton Lavey in the Church of Satan's heyday, they were gone. Diane had left six years earlier. Michael Aquino had left 15 years earlier. And after Xena's dust up with her father, she'd left laveyan Satanism for who else but Michael Aquino's Temple of Set?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh man.

[Eddie]

Became a.

[Marcus Parks]

Immediately became a high priestess in the templa set. Became one of the people that like ran it like big you to dad.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh my God. Aquino must have loved that.

[Eddie]

Oh, he stole the whole thing. He stole the whole crew. He stole the head of the Lilith Grotto. He stole the head of the Yth crew, he stole ahead of the Babylon crew. He stole every important state Satanist.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. Now, the lawsuits over the ownership of the Church of Satan and all its properties, they lasted throughout the 80s. It was between Anton LaVey and Diane Hagarty. But when LaVey was summoned to court over a restraining order filed by Diane Hagarty In 1984, Lavey claimed to have taken revenge on the world using magic. He said that he wrote a letter announcing his magical intention for all hell to break loose when. When he got the summons. And sure enough, at the very hour that lavey was supposed to be in front of the judge in San Francisco, tragedy struck nine hours south in the California town of San Ysidro. This was the day of the infamous McDonald's massacre, which was one of America's first major mass shootings.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Shit was crazy.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

A man. And we're def. We're going to do a full series on this. It's a fucking fascinating story. But a man named James, James Huberty opened fire on a McDonald's with a machine gun, killing 22 and wounding 19 more. Levey, however, believed that the similarity between Diane's last name, Hagarty, and the shooters, Huberty, that wasn't a coincidence. So he took credit for causing the massacre with his magic spells.

[Eddie]

You know, it just. But it is interesting when you're in the magic world.

[Marcus Parks]

This one's a stretch. This is a huge stretch.

[Eddie]

Was flailing.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. I mean, he's the only, the only thing that the, that the name share is that they start with an H and end with a Y. The. There are other coincidences in Anton Lav's life that are incredible. Like, but now he's trying, now he's, he's reaching. He's obviously losing his touch in every way. And it doesn't there. In 1984, when Anton was 54 years old, he entered into a relationship with a 17 year old girl named Blanche Barton, who'd written him a letter from college. The two of them immediately got gotten a sex magic, BDSM and quite a bit of piss, all while Anton was still married.

[Eddie]

Diane, when you're old, that's the last thing that goes.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's like, come on, you weren't gonna do that with Sammy Davis Jr. But you're gonna do it now at the end of your life and ruin your marriage, you idiot.

[Eddie]

You know what, though? But if you look at it, it's, it's exactly the problem is that it's Arrested Development. This is an example of him trying to Dial back the clock and thinking that he can. He can regain something else by like, how many times do we see marry a almost child? Because literally they're just trying to feel something again, which is not how it goes.

[Marcus Parks]

Nope. Well, after Diane left, Blanche Barton stuck around and eventually wrote Anton lavey's official biography. It is absolutely filled with easily disproven lies. But Barton still repeats these lies in every interview she gives as if they were gospel truth, including an interview I saw in the special features on the devil's reign Blu Ray disc like she's to this day, man. But for all his former infamy, Anton Lev simply faded into the background of American culture in the last decades of his life. Even though he died in 1997, his last notable appearance in the public eye had been 10 years earlier, after the arrest of serial killer Richard Ramirez, who was, of course, a committed theistic Satanist.

[Eddie]

Oh, yeah. His own batch.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a. Let's call it bespoke Satanism. Yeah, yeah.

[Eddie]

Boutique. Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

See, before Ramirez had killed anyone, he driven to San Francisco so he could meet and talk with Anton lavey. Reportedly, Ramirez stopped Anton in the street and politely asked if they could chat about Satanism for just a few minutes. Lavey, however, brushed Ramirez off and told him to write a letter instead.

[Eddie]

It's probably because he smelled like and looked like a chupacabra. Like, I. I could tell. Exactly. You know, Richard Ramirez, heroes. So him going like, hey, man, you want to talk about singing with you for a while? And he's looking at him and just being like, that's the height of his abilities. And he's like, you're not a hot chick. Yeah, I'll see you later.

[Marcus Parks]

You need to get out of here.

[Eddie]

Write me a letter.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He should have been nice to him. Could have saved some lives.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, I don't think he would.

[Eddie]

I don't know. Not with Richard Ramirez.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, yeah, not with Richard Ramirez. Because as soon as Richard Ramirez returns to that sweet, sweet mainline cocaine, it's all over from there. It's much more the mainlining cocaine than it is the Satan. When it comes to Richard Ramirez, that's really what drove.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He straightened him out. Cocaine's bad in the Vasa.

[Marcus Parks]

Honestly, I wish now I'm back on your side. I wish now I'm at. Now I. Yeah, now I'm.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I'm there.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, Ramirez apologized for bothering lavey. He wished him a happy solstice and walked away. But after Ramirez was arrested and branded as the most evil serial killer in A American history Anton lavey saw an opportunity to press that outrage button one more time. When the press reached Anton la for comment about Richard Ramirez, Lev said that

[Eddie]

Richard was quote, the nicest, most polite young man you'd ever want to meet.

[Marcus Parks]

And I guess to anhome of a.

[Eddie]

He was, he was in that moment. He wasn't killing him and his wife at gunpoint.

[Marcus Parks]

You, he wasn't scooping her eyes out and leaving them on the dresser.

[Eddie]

Not there yet, no.

[Henry Zabrowski]

God, he just wanted attention so bad.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it, and it's so interesting that the, the satanic panic really what like it should have been his moment, you know, like that, that it really should have been his moment to shine, to come out. I mean Xena took the mantle and she made it happen, but that should have been his, you know, his moment. But I think really what I think it is. So I think Diane was the one who got him out of the house and without her he's just some lazy fuck that doesn't feel. I'll get to it tomorrow.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I don't think he's intelligent enough.

[Eddie]

Well it's not, you know what it's not about until I actually think he's quite intelligent. It's self conscious and able to change. That is, is the main issue. He purposely froze himself in place. When you, you have a responsibility as a fucking wizard. Like I know that it's ridiculous to say he had a responsibility. He, he looked on what Aleister Crowley did and he looked at Helena Blavatsky. He looked at all these things and they all fail. They all eat shit. And the reason why they all fail and eat shit is because instead of what I was saying in the beginning becoming Gandalf the white cr. Getting rid of the old you, becoming the new you. The first half of your life is spent chance changing the world. The second half of your life should be spent having the world change you because you are now in it. You've done it, you've made your mark. Now it's like where does my mark go? How can this come back and change me? And then how can I be here for all of you? Because I set this up so I am responsible for this fucking thing. That's how I view it. He's just been like, I'm responsible for the Church of Satan. I'm there to save it. I'm going to end it or do whatever I want with it, but it's mine and I'm going to protect it and I'm going to do what needs to be done, to protect it, and I'm going to advance it. I'm going to do all these things, but he just didn't do it. And it led to his demise.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's why I'm enjoying Flea's jazz album.

[Marcus Parks]

It's really good.

[Eddie]

I love that album.

[Marcus Parks]

Now, unfortunately, the end of Anton lavey's life was pretty much defined by his legal fights with Diane Hagarty, who even filed restraining orders claiming that she feared for her life. By 1993, Lavey had lost everything, including the Black House. But a friend of lavey's bought the Black House from Diane, and he allowed Anton to finish out his years amongst the remains of his former groovy life. Because that's how Anton Levades. He existed at the. He existed at the allowance of other people. Yeah, didn't care. By the 90s, Levade stopped doing interviews and was hospitalized time and again in the last. Last six months of his life. He died on October 29, 1997, of respiratory failure. But Lavey had arranged for his death certificate to say that he had died on October 31, Halloween, proving even with his death that it was his belief that there was no reason why the truth should get in the way of a good story.

[Eddie]

God, God damn. And there's lessons to be learned here, man.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, there's a lot of lessons to be learned.

[Eddie]

There's a lot of lessons. And I think that's why it's so even important that we did this series in that way, because it's like, I want to expand as I get older. I do not want to narrow. Hey, I'm bulking. I'm bulking, but I want to get better. I want to get better as I get older. I want to be the best I've ever been by the time I'm 75. Yeah, I want to buy. I'm 75. I want to have, like, taken all lessons that I've learned and try to try to do something else with it. And I feel like these stories are important to hear because, yeah, they went. Made their mark on a world world, but then they just left it at that.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Well, the difference is you have a quest for knowledge. He thought that everything he thought was gospel.

[Eddie]

Yes. And then it was done.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

And then the thoughts were done.

[Marcus Parks]

And, you know, he. And he could have done so, like, in 1980, he could have come right out after Michelle Remembers was released and said, no, and he could have opened up the Church of Satan of the world. He could have showed people, like, everybody, like, look, look, it's a social club. We. We do magic rituals that are kind of magic, but not really. Yeah. All this that they're saying isn't true. And he could have headed the Satanic panic off at.

[Eddie]

Oh, you'd be like, look here, the main tenant says, we don't fuck kids. We don't rape anybody. We don't do that.

[Marcus Parks]

He could have done that. And. And the thing is, is that the Satanic panic was partly caused by him founding the Church of Satan.

[Eddie]

Yes, he. Oh, no. He did it.

[Marcus Parks]

He did it.

[Eddie]

Yeah. That's what I mean. He was responsible.

[Marcus Parks]

He was responsible and he completely and totally left all responsibility to everybody else.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's so weird because he like championed a life of like, adversity, but then the moment conflict shows up, he just gives up.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

That is an example of. Of what we gotta like. I've been saying this for a little bit about how like, good guys gotta beat bad guys. Right? Good guys gotta win. Satanism supposed to give you that edge. That is what nice. And that's what I'm taking on to it and reminding myself all the time. It is about the independent wild spirit inside of humanity that wants us to be free. And there is something about that that I try to remember at all times. And then every single time these kind of forces want you to choose one thing or another is like, fuck it, I'm a free. I'm free. Like, you can't make me choose. And so I think that if I'm going to keep that and keep changing and going and then use that aggressiveness to fight people I don't like.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

That are legitimately bad guys. I will fight the bad guys.

[Marcus Parks]

Have to got to.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Patreon.com/last podcast on the left is where you can go see our stream and support us financially directly. You can also watch us on Netflix. We have all of our episodes newly recorded up on Netflix itself. And you can follow us on all of the socials at LP on the left, Tick Tock and Instagram. It's the only ones we got.

[Eddie]

That's all the only ones we will have.

[Henry Zabrowski]

We got.

[Eddie]

Except we are on Fat Life as well. But you'll have to find us on there.

[Henry Zabrowski]

We got three JK Ultra dates left. That's June 27th, Grand Rapids, Michigan. July 17th, Tulsa, Oklahoma. And July 18th, Oklahoma City. It's gonna make. Man, I'm fucking. This has been such an amazing show. I'm so happy did this and like it is ending. It is time for put this baby to bed and I Can't wait to move on to something else with you boys.

[Eddie]

I love it. But. And I'm gonna miss it. But it'll be fun.

[Marcus Parks]

I'm gonna miss it too. But come on out and see. See this show because after. After Oklahoma City, I am not going to be back out on the road for a good long while because my brain is about to fall out of my ass.

[Eddie]

But Eddie and I will be shucking our fat asses across this goddamn country, making you laugh anywhere you'll allow us. And also go to available our new show, Eddie and I Movie Stories on series six on Podcast plus. And the video is on Patreon every Thursday. So if you join the Patreon, you can see it on there as well.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, that's right. Also, Henry and I got a new show on October 24, side stories at the Matteo Community Center. We're going back to Humble.

[Eddie]

We're coming to Humble for Halloween.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, I might come along on that.

[Eddie]

That's gonna be a blast.

[Marcus Parks]

Now I'm smoking weed again. I want to go to the land of weed.

[Eddie]

Oh, you're gonna like this.

[Henry Zabrowski]

We do there so bad.

[Eddie]

So we're gonna do. We're gonna announce that, but we're gonna make it. We're gonna really beef that up. I don't know what we're gonna do with that show, but we're doing something Halloween with it.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah. Make sure you show up in costume like you did last year. You all looked amazing.

[Eddie]

It was awesome.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Had such a good time. And then I'm also. I'm not taking the break that Marcus is taking. I'm taking a full 22 hours off. But the then on July 19, I'll be in Plano, Texas.

[Eddie]

Oh, my God. Yelling at all those. Fighting the good fight.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah. And I got lots of cities on my schedule, so go to eddytunes.com if you want to come see me live and do my stand up show. Phoenix was amazing. Thank you to everyone who came out.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, that Plano club's great. Like I said, that's. That's where I saw Mitch Hedberg when I was in college.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, that's cool. Indeed.

[Henry Zabrowski]

All right. I love you guys. Oh, HGX2. Watch it. The finals were last night. I hope you loved it. The whole thing's available. Season two of HGX2.

[Eddie]

I told you.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah. What are you talking about? What did you tell nobody?

[Eddie]

Your wife. You didn't do. Crushed your wife, man. I beat. I beat her with my hands.

[Henry Zabrowski]

We love you guys. We'll see you next week.

[Eddie]

Hail Satan.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, now, gin.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Hail, Hail Xena. I liked her.

[Eddie]

No, she's interesting. You didn't say anything bad about matter.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, I didn't. There's a lot. There was a Nazi thing.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, well, Xena.

[Marcus Parks]

Let's see.

[Eddie]

I mean, come on.

[Marcus Parks]

It's obvious. Our man Sammy.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Hail, Sammy Davis Jr. Yeah, you could

[Eddie]

also probably just give shrimp. Satan's got nothing to do with any of this.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You held them already. I'm not hailing them again.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, you don't need that.

[Eddie]

Satan was just hanging out.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Whatever. No, nothing for Taylor.

[Eddie]

Taylor Swift's an Aryan evil general.

[Marcus Parks]

It's just Sammy. Come on, Sammy. Just Sammy Davis Jr. I'm gonna say hail Clog Man.

[Eddie]

Hail Jack Clog man. Me Clog Man. Me clog man. Clog man. Clog Man. Clogged man.

[Marcus Parks]

Hey, podcast listeners.

[Eddie]

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[Marcus Parks]

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[Eddie]

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