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Brooke Gladstone
This is the on the Media Midweek podcast. I'm Brooke Gladstone. Bob Menendez will become the first senator to go to prison in more than 40 years.
Nancy Solomon
Years.
Brooke Gladstone
When he reports to federal penitentiary next week, most of you will no doubt be aware of the broad strokes of his corruption and bribery case. You know, the gold bars and cash found in his suburban ranch home. But our home station, WNYC has produced a podcast that goes deeper than most of the media coverage. So we're bringing you the first episode just released today of Dead End the Rise and Fall of Gold Bar Bob Menendez. It's hosted and reported by Nancy Solomon, who'll take things from here.
Nancy Solomon
One morning In June of 2024, during the trial of Bob Menendez, I was sitting in the hallway finishing a cup of coffee outside the courtroom. There was only one other person there standing next to the bench looking out at the spectacular Manhattan view from the 23rd floor. Bob Menendez. He was singing, and it was killing me that I couldn't record it.
Tracey Tully
In that courthouse, you have no phones. Nobody has recording devices. So they developed this sort of cocoon like space where the defendants, the reporters, the lawyers, we were all kind of existing together for nine weeks.
Nancy Solomon
This is Tracey Tully. She's a reporter for the New York Times. And she was in court almost every day.
Tracey Tully
He would sing during breaks in court, sometimes in the courtroom, often outside in that vestibule that you described. And I remember riding down an elevator with a crowd of people at one point, and one of the lawyers said, I think it's a form of prayer.
Nancy Solomon
This is dead end. The rise and fall of Gold Bar Bob Menendez. Over the course of three episodes, going to tell you about the epic collapse of New Jersey's senior senator. He was convicted of a bribery scheme involving a monopoly on halal meat exports to Egypt and helping that country obtain U.S. military aid. We'll dig into the details and try to solve a mystery. How could a successful politician at the peak of his power do something that ultimately ruined him? Bob Menendez grew up in Union City. His parents had come from Cuba. His father was a carpenter and a gambler and his mother a factory seamstress. He's often told the story about how he qualified for an honors program when he was a senior in high school, but he couldn't afford the books.
Bob Menendez
And I couldn't understand for the life of me in a public high school that I'd be barred from being in the honors program.
Nancy Solomon
This is from a public TV interview in 2012.
Bob Menendez
So I created such a ruckus that they gave me the books, told me to shut up, and put me in the honors program. But I didn't feel right about that because I had friends who had the ability and the grades and not the money. So I started a petition drive at 19 to change the school board, put a referendum on the ballot, passed a referendum at 19, and then ran at the age of 20. The first school board elections in my hometown.
Nancy Solomon
It wasn't long before Menendez developed a brand.
Bob Menendez
I grew up in a tough neighborhood. We had a bully in the neighborhood.
Nancy Solomon
The fighter you don't want to mess with. And this stuck with him from the Union City school board in 1974.
Bob Menendez
Got a piece of wood and whacked the bully.
Nancy Solomon
And that was to his time as top Democrat on the Senate Committee on foreign relations. Nearly 50 years later, I never got whacked again.
Nicholas Charavolotti
I didn't really get to know him until I went to work for the city of Bayonne.
Nancy Solomon
This is Nicholas Charavolotti, former state legislator.
Nicholas Charavolotti
Been in and around Hudson county politics since I was about 14 years old. We had a meeting in City hall at a.
Nancy Solomon
It was a long time ago. Charavolotti was working for the city of Bayonne. The small, working class town was in a fight over a piece of land that had been an old army installation.
Nicholas Charavolotti
And truth be told, Nancy, I was way over my head.
Nancy Solomon
And Chara Vellotti ended up in a meeting with Menendez, who was then the local congressman.
Nicholas Charavolotti
We had been making the case that the army and the Port Authority were not dealing with us truthfully. And the moment that the army reiterated the lie to him, I remember as clear as day, he got up, kicked his chair over, and basically told him, there's no freaking way you're getting this land. That was the moment that, you know, quite frankly, I was like, that's the type of guy I want representing me.
Nancy Solomon
I mean, when he was young, Menendez stood up to his political mentor, a popular mayor who ended up getting convicted for allowing town contracts to go to a business with connections to the mob. Menendez even had to wear a bulletproof vest into the courthouse. Chara Vellotti was impressed with Menendez, and he ended up going to work for him.
Nicholas Charavolotti
And, you know, he had a very different style than I did. We got into an argument once. He wanted me to deliver a message to an elected official, but he wanted me to deliver it in his manner. And I delivered the message in my manner. And he actually said to me, I thought I was hiring a Rottweiler, not a poodle.
Nancy Solomon
A representative for Senator Menendez said, that story is not true. And what would you say? Like, some of the elements that make up his success?
Nicholas Charavolotti
So I think intelligence was one. Two was work ethic. I mean, he just would work all the time, especially back then. He was a beast. Three was loyalty. Right? Because once he was your friend, he would stick with you even if it was against his interest.
Nancy Solomon
Chara Vellotti was working for Menendez when he first got to the Senate. Menendez faced a tough choice about whether to confirm Samuel Alito to the Supreme Court, especially because Alito was from New Jersey.
Bob Menendez
No matter one's political persuasion, we all take pride in the honor that has been bestowed on a fellow New Jerseyan.
Nancy Solomon
And Chara Vellotti reminded Menendez that, like Alito, many of his voters were Italian American.
Nicholas Charavolotti
I remember going and talking to him saying, look, you know, Italian Americans, you know, they pretty, you know, centrist folks, and, like, this is one of their own. And he's like. He's like, I'm not gonna get there. It's not gonna happen. Like, these guys shouldn't be on the court. Like, he doesn't. He's going to overturn some of the basic beliefs that we have.
Bob Menendez
This is my first vote in this body, and I had hoped to cast it in support of this nominee. But after reviewing his record and his testimony before my fellow senators, I cannot.
Nancy Solomon
And so the newly minted junior senator from New Jersey rose on the Senate floor to make his first ever speech about Alito.
Bob Menendez
If it's not where you come from that matters, but where you will take the nation, does the Supreme Court, with Justice Alito take the nation forward or move the nation back? Will it be an America where a woman does not have access to the best medical care? Will it be in America where a woman does not control her own body?
Nancy Solomon
Charave Alotti also worked with Menendez back when he had been in the House, when he bucked local sentiment and voted against the Iraq war.
Nicholas Charavolotti
Being from Hudson county in New Jersey, we're. It was. If you remember, it was like, let's just do it. And it's like, look, politically, it's expedient just to vote for it, right? I mean people want revenge. And like Bob Menendez, despite sort of the intensity of his personality in that moment and this is like repeated throughout his career, could sit back and say, okay, but I looked at everything. It's not there.
Nancy Solomon
But there is a subset of people, a large one, who believe Menendez has been corrupt from the beginning. They don't buy the hero testifying against the machine narrative.
Jay Booth
The first priorities seem to always be judges and prosecutors trying to appoint people that are going to protect him.
Nancy Solomon
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Brooke Gladstone
It's because they're desperate.
Nancy Solomon
I'll talk with autism scientist Alicia Halladay on the New Yorker Radio Hour from WNYC Studios. Listen wherever you get your podcasts, do you have any preference on where to sit? Jay Booth used to be a political operative in Hudson county who opposed Menendez from the start. Booth says look at the charges in the current case where Menendez tried to pressure state and federal prosecutors. He says that's part of a long pattern.
Jay Booth
Menendez in his larger than life quest for political power. As I watched, it was always the first priorities seemed to always be judges and prosecutors trying to appoint people that are going to protect him and harm his enemies in the criminal justice system.
Nancy Solomon
Booth says he witnessed Menendez in action many years ago. He happened to walk into the kitchen of Puccini's, a legendary restaurant on Jersey City's west side that was a hangout for politicos. And there at the stainless steel prep counter was a meeting happening, presumably on the down low.
Jay Booth
I saw Menendez, who was then a congressman, sitting in a corner in the kitchen where no one could see him having lunch with the then Hudson county prosecutor, which of course would be perceived as unethical or more particularly something they were eating in there so that no one could see them clearly.
Nancy Solomon
Elected officials are not supposed to hold back channel meetings with prosecutors. A representative from Menendez says that one didn't happen. But either way, meals in a restaurant kitchen didn't seem to help Menendez. The first time the feds came after him in 2015. Private jets, weekend getaways in the Dominican.
Jay Booth
Republic, and hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Nancy Solomon
In this case involved a wealthy Florida eye doctor who had been under investigation for Medicare fraud. The doctor had given Menendez expensive gifts and trips to the Dominican Republic and Paris. Menendez allegedly reached out to help the doctor's Medicare problems go away. He insisted the charges were unfair.
Bob Menendez
Prosecutors at the Justice Department don't know the difference between friendship and corruption and have chosen to twist my duties as a senator and my friendship into something that is improper.
Nancy Solomon
Was it corruption or business as usual in Washington? It depends who you ask.
Brad Lawrence
Maybe I drank the Kool Aid, but I really thought it was sort of unfair. They were criminalizing behavior that maybe wasn't wonderful, but certainly didn't deserve a federal indictment.
Nancy Solomon
This is Brad Lawrence. He creates messaging for political candidates.
Brad Lawrence
These are all Menendez files.
Nancy Solomon
And Lawrence has worked for nearly every major Democratic candidate in New Jersey for the past 40 odd years. He worked for Menendez the longest. That's like 18 inches of files.
Brad Lawrence
Well, and there's boxes. I mean, don't forget. This goes on for since 1982.
Nancy Solomon
And he was working for Menendez when the senator ran into trouble with the gifts from the eye doctor.
Brad Lawrence
I believe he legitimately felt he had done nothing wrong, certainly nothing illegal. And I think he was very angry about that. I know he was very angry about that. And I don't know that he moved.
Nancy Solomon
On, but it's an interesting idea that was that a breaking point where he felt like, okay, they're going to treat me like this, that I'm going to really get everything I'm due. I'm gonna, you know, I don't know.
Brad Lawrence
He was that literally transactional about it, but I have a feeling that it certainly made him feel like playing by the rules certainly didn't get him anything. And so you'd be angry. I mean, I think most people would be angry about being indicted and put through the wringer for something that they felt certainly didn't merit. That it's how you come out of that may be the more interesting question.
Nancy Solomon
The case ended in a hung jury, and Menendez walked out of the courthouse defiant, as if he'd been entirely exonerated.
Bob Menendez
To those who were digging my political grave so that they could jump into my seat, I know who you are, and I won't forget you.
Nancy Solomon
The trial was also a pretty pivotal time in the senator's personal life. He and his fiance broke up right before the trial began. And soon after the hung jury, he fell for someone new. He had met Nadine Arslanian at his usual breakfast spot, the IHOP in Union City. I just wanted to hear your voice. Voicemails from Nadine were entered as evidence in the second trial. I can't wait for you to hold my hand and go to sleep. By all accounts, it was a whirlwind romance. Hi, it's me calling my very handsome Senator. And only 24 days after their first date, Nadine arranged for the top Democrat on the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations to meet off the books with an Egyptian general. Just got off with the general. Since he has not met you before, he needs to have some kind of clearance from Egypt as to why he's needing a US Senator out of his the embassy. Why would the new girlfriend of Bob Menendez be arranging a meeting with an Egyptian general? That's coming up on episode two of Dead End, the Rise and Fall of Gold Bar. Bob Menendez. I'm Nancy Solomon. I made this series with Emily Bottin and Jared Paul, our sound designer and music composer. We had help from Alex Brady, Amber Bruce, Rex Stone, Katie Graham, David Krasnow, Mike Kutchman, Valentina Powers, and Jackson Vale. Thanks for listening.
Brooke Gladstone
Thanks for tuning in to the midweek podcast. Check out the the Big show on Friday. It usually posts around dinner time and we got a lot to talk about. See you then.
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Summary of "On the Media" Podcast Episode: How Gold Bar Bob Menendez Got His Start
Released on June 11, 2025, the "On the Media" podcast by WNYC Studios delves into the intricate rise and dramatic fall of Senator Bob Menendez, earning attention for its in-depth exploration of the corruption and bribery case that has led to Menendez becoming the first senator in over four decades to face imprisonment.
Brooke Gladstone sets the stage by highlighting the unprecedented nature of Bob Menendez's impending incarceration:
"Bob Menendez will become the first senator to go to prison in more than 40 years." [00:22]
Nancy Solomon introduces the podcast series, Dead End: The Rise and Fall of Gold Bar Bob Menendez, emphasizing its comprehensive investigation beyond mainstream media coverage. She notes the sensational elements familiar to the public, such as the discovery of gold bars and cash at Menendez's suburban ranch.
During the trial in June 2024, Solomon recounts a unique moment outside the courtroom:
"Bob Menendez was singing, and it was killing me that I couldn't record it." [01:09]
Tracey Tully, a New York Times reporter present at the trial, describes the insulated environment of the courthouse, where recording devices were prohibited, creating a "cocoon-like space" for defendants, reporters, and lawyers alike. She observes:
"He would sing during breaks in court... I think it's a form of prayer." [01:54]
The podcast traces Menendez's roots to Union City, New Jersey, highlighting his Cuban immigrant parents' humble occupations. Menendez's early activism is showcased through his struggle to join an honors program due to financial constraints:
"I couldn't afford the books... I started a petition drive at 19 to change the school board." [03:16]
His determination led him to successfully pass a referendum and run for the school board at just 20 years old, marking the inception of his political career.
Menendez cultivated a reputation as a formidable and unyielding politician. Reflecting on his school board tenure, Solomon shares a story Menendez often tells:
"I got a piece of wood and whacked the bully." [04:01]
Decades later, this tenacious image persisted in his role as the top Democrat on the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, where his assertiveness remained unparalleled.
Nicholas Charavolotti, a former state legislator, provides insights into Menendez's early Senate days:
"He got up, kicked his chair over, and basically told him, there's no freaking way you're getting this land. That was the moment that... I was like, that's the type of guy I want representing me." [04:52]
Menendez's ability to stand up against corruption is further illustrated when he confronted a corrupt mayor, necessitating his wearing of a bulletproof vest in the courthouse—a testament to his confrontational yet principled stance.
A pivotal moment in Menendez's Senate career was his handling of Supreme Court nominee Samuel Alito:
"If it's not where you come from that matters, but where you will take the nation... Justice Alito take the nation forward or move the nation back?" [07:45]
Despite initial support influenced by constituency considerations, Menendez ultimately opposed Alito's confirmation, citing concerns over Alito's potential impact on fundamental American values.
While some view Menendez as a principled fighter, others see a pattern of corruption from the outset. Jay Booth, a political operative who opposed Menendez, asserts:
"The first priorities seemed to always be judges and prosecutors trying to appoint people that are going to protect him and harm his enemies." [10:51]
Booth recounts witnessing Menendez engaging in questionable meetings with prosecutors at local establishments, suggesting unethical conduct and manipulation within the criminal justice system.
The podcast delves into the specific allegations involving a Florida eye doctor under investigation for Medicare fraud. Menendez is accused of accepting lavish gifts and arranging expensive trips in exchange for leveraging his political influence to address the doctor's legal troubles. Menendez fervently denies these accusations:
"Prosecutors at the Justice Department don't know the difference between friendship and corruption..." [12:40]
Brad Lawrence, a seasoned Democratic political operative, shares his perspective, believing Menendez felt unjustly targeted:
"I believe he legitimately felt he had done nothing wrong... he was very angry about that." [13:08]
The corruption trial had significant repercussions on Menendez's personal life. His engagement ended just before the trial, and he quickly entered a new relationship with Nadine Arslanian. Their relationship became entangled in the case when Nadine facilitated a clandestine meeting between Menendez and an Egyptian general, raising suspicions of further misconduct. Voicemails from Nadine were later presented as evidence in a second trial, suggesting possible manipulation and abuse of power within Menendez's personal circles.
The episode concludes with Menendez leaving the courthouse defiantly after a hung jury:
"To those who were digging my political grave so that they could jump into my seat, I know who you are, and I won't forget you." [14:28]
Nancy Solomon teases the continuation of the story in the next episode, promising to unravel more layers of Menendez's political maneuvers and personal entanglements.
Notable Quotes:
Brooke Gladstone: "Bob Menendez will become the first senator to go to prison in more than 40 years." [00:22]
Nicholas Charavolotti: "There's no freaking way you're getting this land. That was the moment that... I was like, that's the type of guy I want representing me." [04:52]
Bob Menendez: "Prosecutors at the Justice Department don't know the difference between friendship and corruption..." [12:40]
Conclusion
This episode of "On the Media" provides a comprehensive examination of Bob Menendez's political ascent, his established reputation as a formidable legislator, and the mounting allegations that have culminated in his criminal trial. By incorporating firsthand accounts, personal anecdotes, and direct quotes, the podcast paints a multifaceted portrait of a politician whose legacy is now marred by corruption charges. Listeners are left anticipating further revelations and deeper analysis in the subsequent episodes of the Dead End series.