Podcast Summary: On the Media – Planning for Inevitable Climate Disaster

Episode Title: Planning for Inevitable Climate Disaster
Release Date: July 16, 2025
Hosts: Brooke Gladstone and Micah Loewinger
Guest: Nathaniel Rich, Writer and Essayist
Produced by: WNYC Studios

1. Introduction

In this episode of On the Media's Midweek Podcast, host Brooke Gladstone delves into the pressing issue of climate disaster preparedness, focusing on New Orleans as a pivotal example. As the Atlantic hurricane season intensifies due to warmer-than-average ocean temperatures, the podcast examines how New Orleans is planning for the inevitable climate-related catastrophes that threaten its existence.

2. The Reality of Climate Disaster in New Orleans

Brooke Gladstone opens the discussion by highlighting the severe impact of recent hurricanes, specifically Tropical Storm Barry, which caused deadly flash floods in Texas, claiming at least 132 lives with over 100 people still missing (00:36). She introduces Nathaniel Rich, who has argued that New Orleans exemplifies how cities can prepare for climate disasters effectively.

Nathaniel Rich emphasizes the unwavering and realistic perspective of New Orleans residents toward existential climate risks:

“I think the perspective down here is franker and more honest than you tend to see anywhere else in this country.”
01:23

3. The Coastal Master Plan: Ambitious and Temporary

Rich elaborates on the Coastal Master Plan, an extensive and costly initiative aimed at mitigating Louisiana's severe coastal land loss. This plan is described as the world's most expensive and ambitious climate change adaptation strategy, encompassing approximately 200 projects with a projected budget of $50 billion:

“The master plan is enormous. It's essentially an omnibus plan of, on the order of 200 projects to build land, to preserve land, to restore land.”
04:35

The core strategy involves river diversion, where new tributaries are created by cutting gaps into the levees of the Mississippi River. This method aims to mimic the river's natural behavior, allowing it to deposit silty water and naturally build up land over generations. Rich notes that this proactive approach is not intended to be a permanent solution but rather buys time for future preparations:

“The genius of the plan... is that it's an enormously ambitious plan that doesn't ultimately intend to solve the major problem it addresses. But what it does do is it buys time.”
06:37

4. Opposition from Gulf Communities

Despite its broad support, the Coastal Master Plan faces significant opposition from specific communities, particularly oystermen, shrimpers, and fishermen residing in the Gulf areas just downriver from New Orleans. These individuals are concerned that the diversion of Mississippi River water into their marshes will devastate the local fisheries, directly threatening their livelihoods.

Rich explains the dilemma faced by these communities:

“They have to choose between saving their homes or saving their livelihoods, and they've picked their livelihoods.”
07:34

Governor Jeff Landry, a recent election victor, voices strong opposition, arguing that the plan would "break parts of Louisiana's culture" due to its adverse effects on Gulf fishing communities:

“He says it would, quote, break parts of Louisiana's culture because of the harm to these Gulf fishing communities.”
09:30

The conflict underscores a broader political struggle, as powerful industries like oil and gas back the plan despite their role in exacerbating environmental degradation:

“They support the plan because... those industries have enormous infrastructures.”
09:59

5. Ecological Concerns and Media Framing

Environmental impacts extend beyond human livelihoods. The diversion efforts raise ecological concerns, such as the potential death of approximately 200 bottlenose dolphins due to altered habitats:

“It's been enormously well studied and extensively... it will lead to the death of something like 200 bottlenose dolphins.”
10:29

Interestingly, Rich points out a media strategy shift where fishermen began highlighting dolphin fatalities to garner public support, revealing a preference for animal-focused narratives over human economic struggles:

“They realized that people care more about dolphins than working class fishermen.”
11:37

6. Psychological and Cultural Perspectives on Climate Change

A pivotal moment in the discussion is when Ben Strauss, head of Climate Central, suggests rethinking how we perceive cities' lifespans:

“People find it very hard to accept that a city like New Orleans at some point will not exist anymore. But why don't we think of the life of a city the way that we think about the life of a human being?”
11:43

Nathaniel Rich reflects on this perspective, relating it to the broader human condition and the psychological barriers to addressing climate change:

“It's a bit like looking at one's own death, because we're talking about civilizational death. That forces you to really question what you value. It forces you to prioritize.”
12:29

This acceptance fosters a deeper commitment to preserving and improving the current environment, countering prevalent feelings of hopelessness:

“People who decide to live here... have a much stronger commitment to the place, to the life of the place.”
15:16

Rich contrasts American attitudes with European perspectives, noting that while Europeans may be more pessimistic about climate issues, they tend to implement more progressive policies without succumbing to a binary of hope and despair:

“This binary of hope and despair has... prevents us from thinking of real measures that we can take to improve our lot in the meantime.”
14:19

7. Lessons from New Orleans: Hope and Commitment

The narrative of New Orleans serves as a powerful example of resilience and proactive engagement in the face of climate adversity. The city's residents exhibit a unique blend of preparedness and unwavering dedication to their community, even when facing the knowledge that their city may one day succumb to climate disasters.

Rich highlights the robust civic engagement and the shared sense of peril that unites New Orleans residents:

“There’s a level of civic engagement that feels to me much more robust than I've encountered in other places.”
16:16

This collective spirit is pivotal in sustaining long-term efforts to adapt and mitigate the impacts of climate change, embodying a model of how communities can endure amid existential threats.

8. Conclusion

Brooke Gladstone and Nathaniel Rich provide a comprehensive look into the complexities surrounding climate disaster planning in New Orleans. The episode underscores the delicate balance between ambitious infrastructural projects and the socio-economic realities of vulnerable communities. It also delves into the psychological and cultural shifts necessary to confront the finite nature of cities and civilizations in the face of climate change.

Rich's insights encourage listeners to rethink their relationship with their environments, valuing the present while preparing for an uncertain future. New Orleans stands as a testament to resilience, offering lessons on commitment, adaptation, and the human spirit's capacity to endure.

Notable Quotes:

• Nathaniel Rich:
  “I think the perspective down here is franker and more honest than you tend to see anywhere else in this country.” (01:23)
  “What they're doing... is to mimic the natural behavior of the Mississippi river.” (05:16)
  “The binary of hope and despair has... prevents us from thinking of real measures that we can take to improve our lot in the meantime.” (14:19)

• Ben Strauss:
  “People find it very hard to accept that a city like New Orleans at some point will not exist anymore.” (11:43)

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