
You could be paying 400 times more than your neighbor for internet access.
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Michael Oinger
Hey, I'm Michael Oinger, and you're listening to the on the Media podcast Extra. Last week, the Markup, a nonprofit news organization, published an investigation that found some households were paying up to 400 times more than their neighbors for the same Internet service. Leon Yin is an investigative data journalist at the Markup and full disclosure, he's a good friend of mine. For this project, he and his team were inspired by research from Princeton University, which found that the Federal Communications Commission regularly overstated the availability of decent Internet.
Leon Yin
We mimicked exactly what you would do in your home to check if you had service. So you go to AT&T's website and you plug in your address and you press search. And then they'll say if there are service available and what the speeds and plans are. We did this in 38 different major cities.
Michael Oinger
Yin used some computer wizardry to analyze over 800,000 Internet service plans offered by companies like AT&T, EarthLink, Verizon, and CenturyLink. He found that the neighborhood you live in affects how much you pay to get online.
Leon Yin
In 92% of the cities that we looked at, lower income areas were disproportionately given the worst deals. We also found that two thirds of the cities there are disparities between the areas with the highest concentrations of people of color and those of the highest concentrations of white residents. And in all 22 cities that we looked at that had digitized redlining maps, we found there to be disparities in places that were historically redlined.
Michael Oinger
I want to ask you about that. So in the piece, you refer to what many activists have called digital redlining. How does that refer to the discriminatory housing policy in the US that we know as redlining that effectively pushed black residents out of white neighborhoods?
Leon Yin
The core of historical redlining was about exclusion. Other researchers have found that its effects are have a long half life. So places that are historically redlined have higher rates of harms that range from asthma to gunshot injuries. The term digital redlining is referring to the exclusion of all the things you need to live in this modern age, essentially, Right? So that ranges from things like remote learning to being able to go to a video interview for a job interview or getting proctored On a test, all of which require video and often require multiple concurrent connections at the same time. So in this case, it's still about access. Access to fast and affordable Internet, which is necessary in many cases to live in this world and to profit.
Michael Oinger
You wrote about two households separated by a few blocks in Kansas City, Missouri. The houses receive vastly different Internet speeds, and yet the people living there pay the same price. Can you explain what the difference in these Internet speeds like, actually feels like from a user perspective? You know, 200Mbps? 25. Like, how does that discrepancy in speed affect one's ability to live life online recreationally, professionally?
Leon Yin
We couldn't conduct this interview because we said hi over video first. You know, we'd be frozen in frame, and you'd be wondering what happened to the speaker I booked. I'd have to find some other way to contact you. Yeah, the difference is between that and getting fast fiber speeds where I could be essentially streaming an awesome video game with a chat and a video. I could be multitasking, and so could everyone else in my house. So it's a huge difference for the same price, which inherently, you know, isn't fair.
Michael Oinger
I'm just going to do a speed test right now because we're speaking over the Internet. My Download speed is 327Mbps.
Leon Yin
We would call that blazing fast.
Michael Oinger
But again, this is what allows me to do my job. You know, working from Brooklyn.
Leon Yin
Yep.
Michael Oinger
Access to telephones has been deemed an essential utility by the fcc, but somehow the Internet hasn't. What is it about Internet access that you believe makes it just as essential? Couldn't people go to their local libraries or other spaces with Internet access to get the resources they need to do whatever they want online?
Leon Yin
That's treating Internet a bit like a privilege, right. Where if you have the time, you could go find somewhere to buy a coffee and to get Internet. The issue of remote learning was made clear to us when a councilwoman in Las Vegas told us about people in her district who didn't have access to fast and formal Internet during the pandemic. They had to hand out mobile hotspots to students. And advocates across the board say that you can't really rely on that for, you know, however long you spend in school. It's like a full day, eight hours.
Michael Oinger
Yeah, I've used mobile hotspots before, and they just, like, cut out all the time, and they're just. They're a complete pain to use. What could the FCC or regulators in general be doing to kind of close the gap here.
Leon Yin
The first is regulating prices so that if you're offered slow Internet, you pay significantly less. The FCC's guideline for broadband is from at least 2015, and even then it was a bit outdated. And in case you don't know, the FCC's definition of broadband is 25 Mbps for download. There are groups who have done studies about like, what's the minimum for a family to have both remote working as well as remote learning? And they set that standard to be 200Mbps. Right. So that's significantly higher than the current definition. Something that's already been proposed is increasing the threshold for the definition of broadband. That means bringing it up to at least 100Mbps. Because a lot of this infrastructure development is actually done with subsidies from the government. Right. So oftentimes it's telcos get money from the government to deploy services. Changing the definition of broadband, that would change how they deploy those services and hopefully make it more equitable as well.
Michael Oinger
How have the companies you've written about, Verizon, Earthlink, AT&T and Centurylink, how have they responded to the reporting?
Leon Yin
In September, we sent these companies, all four of them, a copy of our methodology. So that explains our findings, how we collected data, all the decisions and assumptions we made, and we also included detailed questions. None of them disputed the fact that they practiced tear flattening. CenturyLink was offended that we implied that they had done anything related to redlining. And they said that our study was deeply flawed. And we asked why, like, what did we do wrong? They stopped answering our emails. AT&T also said that our study was deeply flawed. AT&T's main argument is that they participate in a federal subsidy called the American Connectivity Program. So if you're a lower income household that is eligible Internet is essentially subsidized. $30 a month. So they give you $30 a month, pay for it, it makes it effectively free. However, major study in about 30 major cities found that only about one third of eligible households were enrolled. And those that were the majority used it to pay for cell phone bills. And I'm not really surprised. You know, our study found oftentimes the lower income areas, the top speed is still pretty much unusable. So although that subsidy solves the affordability issue, it doesn't make it fast. So you have affordable but unusable Internet. And so then of course, like, why would you use your subsea for that if you can pay for your phone?
Michael Oinger
An industry Group that you reached out to, US Telecom, speaking on behalf of Verizon, said something to the effect of in some of these lower income neighborhoods, there's just worse infrastructure and that's more expensive. Is that right?
Leon Yin
They said that it's harder to maintain this infrastructure than for fiber.
Michael Oinger
And so they basically push those fees off onto the consumers.
Leon Yin
Yes. I mean, all these providers opted into this pricing strategy and they also decided where to develop infrastructure. So when you combine these, of course you're going to get disparities. Right. They're business reasons that are logical and sound of why they would choose to develop in a certain area, but not another population density. How many people in that area already had broadband Internet and the number of competitors. And we tried to see, using a statistical model, if accounting for these factors would eliminate the disparities that we saw. And in most cases they didn't. And so what that means for people who aren't stats people is that these arguments are moot. A lot of them don't hold water when you actually count for factors numerically.
Michael Oinger
So all of the data that you were using is technically public. It's not like you got some secret tranche of information from like a whistleblower at the company. Right. It's like all out there. Anyone could have accessed it.
Leon Yin
Yes, exactly. The indentations are there. We just happen to have the time and ability to shade in and get more definition of what's going on. So we just are the ones that captured that public information.
Michael Oinger
Why do you think it hadn't been captured before?
Leon Yin
One thing that makes it difficult is these Internet service providers will block your IP address if you ask for too many things. You'll notice that if you were to basically look up your address like, I don't know, 10 times or five times in a row, you can't do it anymore. So we had to overcome that problem. And we did that by making requests through a network of computers to distribute the work, to make it seem like a bunch of different computers are making this request. And it's the only way to do it, unfortunately.
Michael Oinger
How many computers were you using?
Leon Yin
A hundred at a time. It wasn't like millions of computers.
Michael Oinger
I mean, that's still a lot of computers. And are these like real? How do you access them?
Leon Yin
Well, they're routed through a network of IP addresses. And, and we got those IP addresses from this company that does pro bono work if you're a research or a nonprofit. And it's the same company that basically everyone who's tried to reproduce work has to work with.
Michael Oinger
Along with the piece itself, you also published a methodology that detailed your process for collecting and analyzing all this data. And you've said part of the reason you share the process is to have other publications, other journalists be able to bring the findings to their own communities and to maybe replicate some of the processes that you did.
Leon Yin
Yes. In addition to that methodology, we wrote what my editor in chief, CC Wei, is calling a story recipe, where we summarize the findings and also have quick links to the data in each city so that you can quickly download it and look at the addresses of your city and how it matters.
Michael Oinger
If you've done this huge, large scale investigation already, why is it important that local journalists write about it and kind of dig into their own local data?
Leon Yin
This is something that I'm coming to terms with, as someone who's kind of a data scientist or statistician, is that numbers are abstract, Right? But when you hear from residents in your city, you know, talking about their home, which is on the avenue you drive past every day, or in the church you go to every Sunday, or the school that your kids get dropped off at, it actually hits home. That's when data becomes concrete, when it's a story, when it's an experience. It's not just an abstract problem, but it's something that's occurring in your city with high likelihood.
Michael Oinger
Leon, thank you very much.
Leon Yin
Thank you.
Michael Oinger
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In the episode titled "The Digital Divide," hosts Brooke Gladstone and Micah Loewinger delve into the pervasive issue of digital redlining, exploring how internet accessibility and affordability disproportionately affect marginalized communities across the United States. The discussion is anchored by an interview with Leon Yin, an investigative data journalist at The Markup, who co-authored a revealing investigation uncovering stark disparities in internet service costs and quality.
(00:19 - 02:14)
Michael Oinger introduces the core investigation, highlighting that some households pay up to 400 times more than their neighbors for identical internet services. Leon Yin explains the inspiration behind the study, noting, "We mimicked exactly what you would do in your home to check if you had service" (00:57). By analyzing over 800,000 internet service plans across 38 major cities from providers like AT&T, EarthLink, Verizon, and CenturyLink, Yin and his team identified that neighborhood demographics significantly influence both the cost and quality of internet access.
Yin emphasizes, "In 92% of the cities that we looked at, lower income areas were disproportionately given the worst deals" (01:30). Additionally, two-thirds of the cities exhibited disparities between areas with high concentrations of people of color and predominantly white neighborhoods. In all 22 cities with historical redlining maps, these inequities persisted, underscoring the long-lasting effects of discriminatory housing policies on present-day digital access.
(02:14 - 05:10)
The conversation shifts to the tangible effects of these disparities. Yin illustrates the user experience gap with an example from Kansas City, Missouri, where two households merely a few blocks apart received vastly different internet speeds despite paying the same price. He describes the difference as between "that and getting fast fiber speeds where I could be essentially streaming an awesome video game with a chat and a video" (03:26), highlighting how such discrepancies hinder both recreational and professional online activities.
Oinger underscores the necessity of reliable internet by performing a speed test, revealing his download speed of 327Mbps (03:58). Yin concurs, labeling this speed as "blazing fast" (04:06), and connects this to the functionality required for modern work-from-home arrangements.
The discussion addresses why the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) hasn't classified internet access as essential despite its critical role. Yin challenges the notion that public spaces like libraries could bridge the gap, stating, "That's treating Internet a bit like a privilege" (04:35). He cites the pandemic as a revealing moment, where lack of reliable internet forced some districts to distribute mobile hotspots to students—a solution fraught with its own limitations.
(05:10 - 08:59)
When questioned about potential regulatory measures, Yin advocates for price regulation, suggesting that slower internet offerings should cost significantly less. He critiques the FCC's outdated 2015 broadband definition of 25 Mbps for download, proposing an increase to 100Mbps (05:25) to better reflect current needs. Adjusting this definition, according to Yin, would influence how subsidies for infrastructure development are allocated, potentially fostering a more equitable distribution of high-speed internet.
Yin shares the reactions from major internet service providers (ISPs) following the publication of the study. Companies like CenturyLink and AT&T dismissed the findings, labeling the study "deeply flawed" (06:31). AT&T attempted to justify their practices by referencing participation in the American Connectivity Program, which offers subsidized internet to eligible low-income households. However, Yin points out that only about one-third of those eligible have enrolled, and most prefer using the subsidy for cell phone bills instead (06:31). This reveals that while affordability initiatives exist, they often fail to address the underlying issue of inadequate service quality.
An industry representative from US Telecom, speaking on behalf of Verizon, attributes higher costs in lower-income neighborhoods to worse infrastructure, stating, "it's harder to maintain this infrastructure than for fiber" (07:54). Yin counters by explaining that these pricing strategies and infrastructure deployment choices inherently lead to disparities, a point he supports with statistical analysis showing that accounting for various factors doesn't eliminate the observed inequities (08:15).
(08:59 - 11:56)
Yin elaborates on the methodology behind the investigation, emphasizing that all data used was publicly accessible. He explains the technical challenges faced, such as ISPs blocking repeated address lookups, which they circumvented by utilizing a network of hundreds of computers routed through different IP addresses to distribute the requests (09:12).
Moreover, Yin and his team published a detailed methodology alongside their findings, promoting transparency and enabling other journalists to replicate or build upon their work. This "story recipe" includes summaries of findings and quick data access links for local journalists to examine their own communities' internet accessibility (10:34).
Yin highlights the importance of local journalism in contextualizing these data-driven insights. He remarks, "This is when data becomes concrete, when it's a story, when it's an experience" (11:23), emphasizing that localized reporting makes the abstract numbers relatable and underscores the real-world implications of digital redlining.
(11:56 - 12:28)
In wrapping up, Michael Oinger acknowledges the depth of the investigation and its implications for communities nationwide. The episode underscores the critical need for updated regulatory standards and more equitable infrastructure development to bridge the digital divide. Listeners are encouraged to recognize the profound impact that internet accessibility has on daily life, education, and economic opportunities, highlighting the urgency of addressing digital redlining in pursuit of true government transparency and free speech in the digital age.
"The Digital Divide" episode of On the Media provides a comprehensive examination of how historical and modern practices of digital redlining perpetuate inequality. By leveraging data journalism, Leon Yin exposes the structural barriers that prevent equitable internet access, urging both policymakers and industry leaders to take meaningful action. The detailed methodology and call for local journalism involvement further democratize the investigative process, inviting broader community engagement in addressing this critical issue.