From Division to Dominion - Dr. Anita Phillips

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ONE | A Potter's House Church

Episode: From Division to Dominion - Dr. Anita Phillips
Date: November 3, 2025
Host: ONE | A Potter’s House Church
Guest Speaker: Dr. Anita Phillips

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Episode Overview

This sermon, delivered by Dr. Anita Phillips at ONE | A Potter’s House Church, offers a deeply theological and practical exploration of unity, division, and dominion within the body of Christ. Dr. Phillips draws from Galatians 3:28 and the Genesis creation narrative to examine the roots of division—specifically through the lens of gender, ethnicity, and class—and provides a compelling perspective on how internal wars of anger and fear translate into societal and relational division. The call is to move from a posture of division back to God-given dominion: a dominion that holds both power and vulnerability, as modeled by Christ.

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Key Discussion Points

1. The Move of the Spirit & Revival Requires Unity

[01:07–05:24]

• Dr. Phillips frames the present as a time of spiritual escalation and revival, likening it to the unity in the upper room before Pentecost.
• Unity is not just participation but deep oneness—“they were with one accord”—which is rare and vital for a genuine move of God.

2. Galatians 3:28 & The Roots of Division

[05:24–07:37]

• Galatians 3:28 is used to highlight an absence of division in Christ: “There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”
• The divisions listed—ethnic, socio-economic, gender—are all based on control and power differentials.

3. The Origin of Division: Internal Wars of Anger and Fear

[07:45–13:42]

• James 4:1–4 is cited to show that external wars start with internal conflict and selfish desires.
  • “My internal battle is being expressed as a battle with you.” (Torre Roberts, [08:41])
• Therapy concepts like Internal Family Systems and the movie “Inside Out” are referenced to illustrate internal wrestling between different “parts” of ourselves.
• The central thesis: division without is always rooted in division within.

4. Dominion Ruptured: From Oneness to Brokenness

[13:42–18:33]

• Genesis 1: God gave them (male and female) dominion, indicating true unity.
• Genesis 5: Adam and Eve were so unified, God gave them the same name (“Adam”).
  • "They were so one to God that they did not have a different name." (Latricia, [14:46])
• The fall fractured this oneness; what followed was a shift from dominion together to division.

5. The Curses: Fear for Women, Anger for Men

[18:33–24:01]

• Dr. Phillips dives into the punishments in Genesis 3:
  • For women: increased pain in childbirth is paralleled with the curse of fear and anxiety (“fear is the thing that pains us the most” [19:35]).
  • For men: labor and hard ground connected to anger and an “offended heart.”
  • “The curse of the feminine expression was fear. The masculine expression... was anger.” (Latricia, [23:03])

6. Fear & Anger: The Cycle of Division in All Relationships

[24:01–30:12]

• These fear and anger dynamics are not limited to marriage, but feature in all relationships, from Abraham and Sarah to modern partnerships.
• Modern conversations about “masculine” and “feminine” energy are reframed:
  • “It’s not about masculine, feminine, it’s anger and it’s fear. And they will show up as a duo everywhere.” (Latricia, [28:10])
• This manifests both internally (the war within) and externally (the war between).

7. Returning to God’s Original Design: Power and Vulnerability

[30:12–32:55]

• Dominion was intended to be power blended with vulnerability (not anger/fear).
• “Power must exist with vulnerability because it keeps me compassionate, because I know it could be me at any time. But power and vulnerability have fallen to anger and fear.” (Latricia, [33:37])

8. The Example of Christ: Power Combined with Vulnerability

[35:39–38:22]

• Jesus in Gethsemane and on the cross is the ultimate model:
  • “He was honest about how vulnerable he was... But he put his power down for God.” (Latricia, [37:16])
  • Jesus’ side being pierced is paralleled with Adam’s side, symbolizing the unity and mutuality restored through Him.

9. A Higher Spiritual Reality Beyond Earthly Divisions

[38:22–44:01]

• Dr. Phillips challenges the cultural constructs that shape our understanding of gender, power, and even our view of God (“Why do you think a Christian church looks completely different…?” [43:06]).
• Christians are called to a unity that transcends ethnicity, class, and gender.

10. Application: Laying Down Anger and Fear, Pursuing Healing and Unity

[44:03–54:46]

• The altar is opened for those wounded by division, anger, and fear—especially within the church or family.
• Healing is necessary for individuals to participate in healing the broader body.
  • “Healed people heal people. Angry people make other people angry.” (Latricia, [48:14])
• Dr. Phillips prays for restored dominion: “That my anger and my fear will be crucified. And that my willingness to have power and vulnerability in me for dominion will look like what Jesus showed me in Gethsemane.” (Latricia, [35:28])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the origin of unity:

  • "They were so one to God that they did not have a different name.” — Latricia, [14:46]

• On internal strife manifesting externally:

  • "My internal battle is being expressed as a battle with you." — Torre Roberts, [08:41]

• On the female and male ‘curse’:

  • “The curse of the feminine expression was fear... The masculine expression of his image has fallen, and its anger.” — Latricia, [23:03]

• On relationships and modern discourse:

  • “It’s not about masculine, feminine, it’s anger and it’s fear. And they will show up as a duo everywhere.” — Latricia, [28:10]

• On Christ as model:

  • “He had the power to do it, but he laid it down... He was vulnerable and powerful at the same time. This is our mandate.” — Latricia, [37:16]

• On true dominion:

  • "Dominion is a combination of power, not anger, and vulnerability, not fear." — Latricia, [31:03]

• On cultural Christianity:

  • “Why do you think a Christian church looks completely different on a Sunday morning at a black church than at a Korean church…? Our cultural view is more impactful on how we present God than our Bibles. And it's scary.” — Latricia, [43:06]

• On healing:

  • “Healed people heal people. Angry people make other people angry.” — Latricia, [48:14]

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Key Timestamps

• [01:07–05:24]: The necessity and power of unity for a move of God
• [05:24–07:37]: Breakdown of Galatians 3:28 and types of division
• [07:45–13:42]: Internal division as the root of external division; therapy examples
• [13:42–18:33]: Genesis and the original, unified dominion
• [18:33–24:01]: The curses of fear (for women) and anger (for men)
• [24:01–30:12]: The cyclical nature of anger and fear in relationships
• [30:12–32:55]: Reclaiming dominion through power and vulnerability, not anger/fear
• [35:39–38:22]: Christ as the model for power + vulnerability
• [38:22–44:01]: Transcending cultural constructs and divisions
• [44:03–54:46]: Healing from division and the invitation to move from division to dominion

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Episode Tone & Language

The sermon is both scholarly and deeply pastoral. Dr. Phillips employs accessible language, vivid metaphors, and scriptural references—but also speaks plainly about modern topics (e.g., gender discourse, therapy, mental health). The atmosphere is invitational, healing, and direct, with Dr. Phillips oscillating between teaching, testimony, and exhortation to challenge listeners to a higher standard of spiritual unity and authenticity.

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Summary Takeaway

Dr. Anita Phillips’ teaching calls for the church—and individuals—to move past the inherited cycles of control, division, fear, and anger that fracture both relational and personal wholeness. By embracing Christ’s model of dominion—undergirded by power tempered with vulnerability—believers can embody unity that brings about real spiritual revival and healing. The invitation is both personal and corporate: confront and heal the internal wars of anger and fear, so that “we can be them”—one in Christ, healed, and ready for a true move of God.

Transcript

[Torre Roberts]

Foreign.

Hey, good people, this is Torre Roberts. Blessings to you and welcome to the ONE Podcast. I'm excited that you're here. ONE is a community of dynamic and vibrant thought leaders, preachers, teachers, and just a community of wonderful people all together. And we're excited to bring you this weekly podcast from our services from ONE in la. If you haven't been the One, I encourage you to check it out. You can go to one the Word one O N E online and find out all about the service times and all about the teachers and all the philanthropic things that we have going. I believe you're going to be blessed to be a part of it. And speaking of being blessed, we're getting ready to get into a teaching right now that I believe is going to bless you. So tune in, enjoy, and I'll be back with you at the end.

[Latricia]

I'm looking forward to the Holy Spirit preaching this word this morning.

[Torre Roberts]

I just get to be here.

[Latricia]

I'm going to read the scripture to you and then I'll let you sit down. There is neither Galatians 3:28. There is neither Jewish nor Greek. There is neither slave nor free. There is neither male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Can I read that again? There is neither Jew nor Greek. Some versions of the Bible translate as Gentiles. Anybody that wasn't Jewish. There is neither slave nor free. There is neither male nor female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus. You may be seated. Just moments before I took the platform, God revealed to me why he gave me this word and why it's important. Because as I have been declaring, as so many leaders in the body of Christ have been declaring, there is a move of the Spirit happening, a revival, and it's escalating. And I believe it's going to escalate like exponential growth. It's going like this and then it goes like this, and then it goes like this. And some will call the revival moment that spirit move moment when it goes like this. But those of us who are in here with the Lord, we are on. We know we what's happening right now.

[Torre Roberts]

And so those of us who are being honored to be a part of this, when it goes like this, there.

[Latricia]

Is a preparation and a building to this. And so this word is one of the things that's important for us, at least here at one for sure global family. I believe the body of Christ on what it will take us to get here. And the oneness that existed in the upper room on the day that the Holy Spirit power Fell, that fire fell. They had been in that room for many days, many weeks, more than almost two months. And there was 120 of them packed in the space. So. See, it doesn't take a lot to start. That's the thing about exponential growth. But the Bible says that they were with one accord, which means they were in 100% complete unity. I don't know that we have had many experiences of that kind of unity that happened by them just being in there, just waiting and praying and waiting and praying. When I was a kid growing up, we used to have something called a shut in. I grew up in old school church.

[Torre Roberts]

So I tell y'. All, y' all crack me up. The old school church, runaway kids that comprise this room. I just love y'. All. My faves, my faves, my faves. I get DMs from some of your parents sometimes saying, I'm so glad Latricia.

[Latricia]

Found Devarante, found a church like home and here. So I'm happy to have y'.

[Torre Roberts]

All.

[Latricia]

That's not a small thing. But we would go and we would.

[Torre Roberts]

Fast during the week.

[Latricia]

And then we would come in fasting.

[Torre Roberts]

Usually on a Friday night.

[Latricia]

And we would stay in the church all night long until the sun came up, just praying. We called it a shut in.

[Torre Roberts]

We just gonna come in here and stay. And the way that the power of.

[Latricia]

God would fall in those nights, I just can't even imagine.

[Torre Roberts]

50, was it 50 days?

[Latricia]

They were in the upper room. 50 days. I think it was fifth. It was 50 days. Generation. No, 40 days or 50 days. It was one of them. It was longer than one night. And so I can't even imagine what the power was like falling after they had been in there that many days, 24, seven, just praying. And so that kind of unity is necessary to this thing. And so Galatians tells us about that unity. There's no Jew or gentile. There's no slave or free. There's no male or female.

[Torre Roberts]

And what we see here presented in.

[Latricia]

This verse is power differentials control situations.

[Torre Roberts]

Each of those relationships was manifesting in the culture at the time as control. Someone was being controlled and someone was being put on the defense, the fear side. And so the Jewish people felt that they were because they were the chosen people. They mistook that for like the only special people. Don't you be confused. When God chooses you for something, it doesn't make you better. They were confusing chosen with better than. And we can get that. We can't afford to get prideful that way. And so they would look down on all the other Gentiles because y' all weren't chosen, y' all aren't clean, y' all aren't in the covenant. We special. Instead of the responsibility that a call.

[Latricia]

Brings, they wanted to Lord it as privilege and division.

[Torre Roberts]

Peter was among the worst. God really had to deal with him because he was like straight up racist, so to speak.

[Latricia]

So we had this control situation.

[Torre Roberts]

And then with slaves and their owners or people who were free, we had this different control situation. Those who were enslaved lived in fear and don't have control that the free people have. And then it goes on to say male and female. And so clearly the same dynamics were manifesting between male and female. And we know how much energy Jesus put into killing off these divisions. He went out of his way to be with Samaritans, Gentiles, he went out of his way to minister to and talk to women who were pushed on the outside. He was out there saying, this is not cool and I'm not going to spend all my time telling the oppressor just how uncool they are. I'm going to go and take care of the actual marginalized. God calls us to do both. This is a side note, but sometimes we're spending too much energy wrestling with the oppressor instead of going to the people who are being oppressed. He did fuss out some Pharisees, but.

[Latricia]

That was not the majority of his time. He went and pulled up the marginalized and the vulnerable.

[Torre Roberts]

So we have these three elements of the Jew and Greek. We have this ethnic division, we have power divisions, societal strata divisions. And then we also have male and female. And these people are at war with each other. They fight and they fuss. James, chapter four, verses one through four. And I'm going to read this to you in my first nations version of the Bible. It says, where do the wars, fights and arguments among you come from? Do they not come from the selfish desires that wage war in your own bodies? So I got, we got people fighting with each other, but then the Bible's telling me that the reason they're fighting with each other, the ethnic conversations, the who has the most power in society conversation, the gender conversation, is because something is going on inside me. My internal battle is being expressed as a battle with you.

[Latricia]

Uh huh.

[Torre Roberts]

See? Okay, stay with me. Where do the wars, fights and arguments among you between you come from? Do they not come from the selfish desires that wage war in your own bodies? You want what you do not have, so you kill for it. You Want what belongs to others, but you cannot get it from them. So you fight and wage war you do not have because you do not ask the Great Spirit when you ask for things. You do not receive them because you ask for the wrong reasons, wanting to satisfy your own selfish desires. You are unfaithful people. You must know that if you become friends with the ways of the world, you make yourself an enemy of the Great Spirit. So this is huge because this is not a passage being spoken to the world, to people who don't know Jesus. These are people who know Jesus and they're praying, but they're saying you praying wrong. Because you are waging a battle within yourself that's leading you to wage battle with others. And you want him to give you what you want in the battle you're waging. And so it is possible for us to know Jesus and be failing at this level and causing the differences in ethnicity and the differences in strata in society, let's call it social class, enslave and free people who don't have power and people who do, and male and female. Every single one of these power visions continues to exist and unfortunately continues to exist in the body of Christ. So how can we be one to receive this power from on high like they did in the upper room? When we are waging wars within ourselves and then taking it out on each other? What are we trying to solve? Well, I'm going to dig down into the male, female version, especially because it's the oldest, where we have this parts war within our communities, but then also within ourselves. There's a therapy approach called internal family systems. Has anybody ever heard of that one? Internal family systems. So a therapist who does work through the lens of internal family systems will talk to you about all of your parts. Is your inner protector trying to raise up to protect your inner child? Is your defender trying to make peace with your aggressor? Like there'll be all these pieces and they're trying to help you make peace with the pieces. You say I lack peace because my pieces are not working together. Did anybody see the movie Inside Out? Lots more of you probably saw that. All right, that movie was loosely based on internal family systems. You had joy, you had anger, you had sadness, you had all of these different emotions fighting for control of the board that kept the girl's life running. That was based on internal family systems. So that is really our effort to explain what Scripture said a long time ago, that there's a war within you and all these pieces are fighting back and forth. And then because of that, you're warring with each other. So we need to get our internal family right. But there's not different you's.

[Latricia]

There's just different parts of you. And they are fighting.

[Torre Roberts]

And how did they get to be fighting? Well, it didn't start out that way. I want you to forget everything you think you know about ethnic. Ethnic destruction and fights and class destructions and gender wars. I want you to forget everything we're going scratch from Scripture and then we can come back to our current conversation. But the opposite of the war in the book of James that is happening is dominion. We were created to have dominion, not to wrestle and fight and argue and scream to get what we want. That's not dominion. That's war. We weren't created for that. That's why the book of James says stop. All you need to really do is have peace within yourself because that will allow you to be connected with the Lord in a way that causes you to ask for. For what you want based on what he wants, not what you want. Then your prayers will be directed correctly. And it just. It scares me, actually, to think that I would allow. And I am a human being, so I have done it, and I'm scared, I don't want to do it again. That I would allow my internal motives and my internal battle to inform my prayer so much that I'm in my prayer closet just calling down from God to give me something that is coming from my own will and desires. And I don't even know know it, because you wouldn't do it if you knew none of us would be in there saying, God, give me this thing. Because I just, you know, give me this money because I want to flex. Give me this money so I can spend it poorly and drive back to my hometown in my good car. Who said I wasn't going to make it? Give me that. We nobody, we know better. But somehow so many of us are.

[Latricia]

Still in danger of doing this without realizing it.

[Torre Roberts]

So this is important. We are actually supposed to be walking in dominion. Go back to good old Genesis, chapter one, verses 26 and 28 through 28. In that space, it says, God created male and female. It says, let them have dominion. The Lord put Adam to sleep. He wakes up, there's a woman out there. He puts them together and he says, let them have dominion. Male and female created he them. It was given to them, not him. But we have made this original distinction. The original division and every other division is based on our behavior in Genesis. When we got into A gender division. Oh, stay with me. Where's she going? The way I asked God not to make me preach this message.

[Latricia]

But here I am.

[Torre Roberts]

And so that happens that we have them in dominion. We know that they were so much the same, male and female, created in his Image that Genesis 5 shows us that he called them the same name. You've heard me say that before. It says in Genesis 5, these are the generations of Adam when he created them. Male and female created he them. And he called their name Adam. So they were so one to God that they did not have a different name. We had a man and we had a man with a womb. A wombed man, A wombed man. That's woman. And they were not distinct creatures to God. They were so unified, they were different expressions, but so unified that they had the same name. So, so unified that when the woman ate the fruit, the fall didn't happen until the man ate it too. Because Adam hadn't done it until all of Adam did it. We can't even conceive of that kind of unity. It's too much for our mind. It's as confusing as trying to understand our triune God. We can't get it right. Is he three in one or is he one in three? There's entire blaspheme, accusations across denominations for saying he's one and three or he's three in one. None of us can explain how God can be sitting on the throne, infilling me, have his son in human form dying over there. We can't conceive it. It's too much. But because we can't conceive it, we have made it small. And so we've chopped God up into pieces. And we have made God like unto sinful man. Romans 1 says, do not compare God to man. But we have done it. And it has made it impossible for us to understand him. Because we think of him as three men on three thrones. God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. And we've made it like these three men. And because we have done that, we have made God too human and limit him in that way. And then we live in a society, in a culture that is defined by its center on male and masculinity, that we have lost track of the feminine expressions of God. Stay with me. And so it started here. When they were together, they had dominion. They could not do it without one another. So this dominion is the opposite of the wars between and within that's happening in James 1. We have to get back to this but when they were in that position, they didn't take good care of it. And so we know in Genesis chapter three, the fall happened. I always think of the fall as like when we fell, we broke into pieces because the unity was lost. But something very specific happened in terms of each expression being punished in a certain way. And so what happens with the woman? It says that first of all, the ground had thorns and thistles come out. Read Genesis 3 later. I need you to take a lot of notes today because this is a lot and I can't read all of it. I want to give you the message, but I don't want you to receive it because you trust me. So some of these scriptures, I want you to go back and read them later to show you that I walked through Scripture because I could give you the moral of the story for the message in five minutes, but I need you to, to see how the Bible gives it to us. And so in Genesis 3, after the fall, you know it, the woman ate the fruit first, then the man faded, and together the fall went down. God comes down to see them. He is asking, where are you? And that where are you? That Greek word, I mean, that Hebrew word that's used there isn't used anywhere else in scripture. It's a cry like someone who lost their child, where are you?

[Latricia]

Because of this deep separation.

[Torre Roberts]

And he gets into a conversation with them, finds out what they did, and there's punishment. The ground grows thorns and thistles even, even though the ground didn't do nothing. And the woman is punished by saying that her childbirth will be more painful than it would have been before, both emotionally and physically. The fruit of her womb would be the source of struggle. And that goes with the thorns that came out of the ground. Because skip to Matthew, Chapter 13, Parable of the Sower, which takes place at the scene of the fall. Jesus tells us that when the thorns come out of the ground, they choke fruit. This is about the fruit of her womb. And that those thorns are the anxieties of this world. They represent fear. That's why Jesus had to die with a crown of thorns on his head, because he had to take on the fear and the anxiety that came at the fall. And so those thorns were pressed into his head to say that he bore the weight of fear. He shed his blood for fear. And so those same thorns that were choking fruit in the parable of the sower and stabbing Paul in the side and rested on Jesus head came up to attack the woman in the garden. That was her punishment. That she would have thorns threatening the way that she bore fruit. In other words, the true curse of the woman, the true curse that attached itself to the feminine expression of his image was fear. And to this day, fear is the curse of the feminine expression of humanity. Women have the highest rates of anxiety disorders. We live in fear. We have the highest rates of peace, ptsd. Because fear is the thing that pains us the most. And so it wasn't just about the childbirth. See, we look at stuff on the surface too much. It was fear. I found out when birthing my own children. I had both my children with unmedicated births.

[Latricia]

Yes, I'm a beast like that.

[Torre Roberts]

I'm a beast like that. But really, I did that out of fear, because I found out that if you let them give you those medications, that it can often disrupt your labor and cause you to end up moving. More likely to have a C section or an episiotomy. If you don't know what that is, don't worry. But it's ugly. And so it wasn't even a bold decision. I was scared that that pain would be worse than the pain my body was designed for. So I picked door a facts. And it worked the first time, so I did it the second time. But here's something amazing that I learned. The uterus where the baby is growing does not have any nerve endings. So when a woman is not pregnant, her uterus is about the size of her fist. By the time she's nine months pregnant, it's the size of a pumpkin. If there were nerve endings there, she would be doubled over in pain every day because that organ was stretching, stretching, stretching. But there's no pain nerve endings in the uterus, which means that the fear is the only thing that makes labor hurt bad. Because when your body starts contracting, and I'm not speaking from books, I'm telling you when your body starts contracting powerfully, it's uncomfortable, but it is not the sharp pain. I never screamed, I never hollered. Why I wasn't scared. What happens is when we're afraid, we tense up. And then that uterine contraction bangs up against those tense muscles, and that's where the fear is. But the more relaxed you are, the less afraid you are. You don't deal with that kind of sharp pain in your back and in your hips and in your pelvis. That's the surrounding musculature. But my birth process, without fear, the pain is not multiplied. But the curse of the feminine expression was fear. Let's go back to the man. It says that in Genesis 3, it says that when Adam was punished, this relates to those thistles, that the ground would fight him. It says, by the sweat of his brow would he grow wheat and make bread that goes to the stony ground. In the parable of the sower, where a plant tried to grow and could not grow because the stones were in the ground, it was hard, it was not enough water. A plant starts to grow and it dies. That stony ground teaches us about anger. The Bible says that ground was an offended heart. It was angry. And so the man is at the sweat of his brow in the heat of the sun that brings the offensive heart, unable to get that ground to grow. It was a reference to where he would be emotionally. The curse of the masculine expression was anger. And in every culture around the world.

[Latricia]

Male suicide rates sharply exceed female suicide rates.

[Torre Roberts]

And suicide is not most highly associated with depression.

[Latricia]

It's most highly associated with anger. And so we continue to see it happen. We see the explosiveness, we see the.

[Torre Roberts]

Violence that is more common in the male expression. War and battles, gangs and threats. It has been a curse. The masculine expression of his image has fallen, and its anger. So now you will understand why Genesis 3:16 says that this dominion relationship that they had was altered by sin. And instead of them being in dominion together, in Genesis 3:16, it says to the woman, your desire will be for your husband. You will be down wanting him to come this way. And it says, and he will lord over her. It was a fear, anger, cycle.

[Latricia]

I'm scared. You control. This was the division. But here's the issue. It was not confined to marriage, but Lord knows, it shows up there, man.

[Torre Roberts]

I was telling somebody recently who is a young woman who hasn't been married.

[Latricia]

Before, and she would like to be. And I just reminded her that Paul says in First Corinthians, chapter 7, that.

[Torre Roberts]

At the end of the chapter, it says that he's talking about widows specifically, but he spends the whole chapter talking about men and women. He's like, if a man wants to get married, it's no sin. If a woman wants to get married, it's no sin. It's better to marry than to burn. And he goes on saying, like, but if a man wants to stay single and serve God, it's good. If a woman wants to serve, it's all male, female, male, female. But in that last verse, it's just women. And he says, a widow can get married. Again, he's talking about, or a single woman. But in my opinion, he says, she.

[Latricia]

Will be happier if she stays as she is.

[Torre Roberts]

I'm just saying nobody ever quotes that verse. Nobody ever points out that the Bible itself. And Paul said, I'm not speaking for God, but I think I know God. I think she might be happier. I'm just saying nobody taught us that scripture when we were growing up in church. Nobody. There's another verse that Paul wrote that nobody seems to focus on on, which is that those who get married will have problems in the flesh. They don't quote that one either. So all of y' all who are believing God for a spouse, just be balanced. Just be balanced about that trouble that comes along with it. Because we saw it. We saw anger and fear warring with each other. We saw them in Abraham and Sarah. We saw them fussing. Abraham gets a word from the Lord. Sarah is laughing about it. They are rocking back and forth. Then she convinces him to go and sleep with Hagar. Then when Hagar's son gets older, now Abraham's mad and Sarah's mad, but he's scared to treat her bad.

[Latricia]

Anger and fear going back and forth.

[Torre Roberts]

Samson and Delilah weren't married, but you ain't got to be married to have this problem. Situationships, struggle with anger and fear as well. She kept getting mad at him, and he kept on making himself vulnerable to her until finally things went bad.

[Latricia]

Mm.

[Torre Roberts]

Think about it. Let's think about Isaac and Rebecca.

[Latricia]

Anger and fear. Anger and fear. The relationships continue to go over and over again.

[Torre Roberts]

We see it Job and his wife. When Job has lost everything, he's laying down there. The Bible says that Job was righteous and perfect, but there were some things.

[Latricia]

He feared and that which he feared happened to him.

[Torre Roberts]

And his wife comes to him and.

[Latricia]

Says, why don't you just curse God and die? Fear and anger constantly and over and over again.

[Torre Roberts]

We see it in the marriage relationship, and we see it in this conversation that I hate.

[Latricia]

Are you in your masculine? Are you in your feminine?

[Torre Roberts]

When I got married very young, this was not a conversation. But, child, since I've been back outside after my divorce, I cannot get over over the annoyance of this conversation. It is podcast pandemonium. Well, I want to be able to walk in my masculine. She and her masculine because she has a job where she's the boss and she needs to be able to get out of her masculine and get in her feminine. And a man needs to be able to be in his feminine sometimes. He can't always be. But if I step into my feminine, I'm vulnerable. Then she uses it against me later. And I don't want to be able to express my emotions because I should be allowed to be scared. But then she'll be mad that I was scared. But she'll get mad if I don't say I'm scared. But then if she's scared, then he's mad because now he's saying he don't trust her and she don't trust him to provide because she doing all this extra stuff. And if she really trusted him, then she wouldn't be mad. But because she's scared, she's always asking questions which makes him mad. It don't matter. The composition of the couple. Masculine and feminine energy keeps showing up.

[Latricia]

It's not about masculine, feminine, it's anger and it's fear. And they will show up as a duo everywhere. Everywhere.

[Torre Roberts]

Now, why do romantic relationships matter as an example of this, even if you're not in one? Because that first relationship that God created was showing how deeply you can be one with someone.

[Latricia]

And so even when we try to do it well in friendships, fear and anger will show up.

[Torre Roberts]

Sometimes we call it jealousy, sometimes we.

[Latricia]

Call it shame, sometimes we call it deceit. Fear and anger show up.

[Torre Roberts]

And so if indeed fear and anger are the core of the fights between Jews and Gentiles, slaves and free, male and female, and James chapter four is telling the truth, then the fight between fear and anger is not just out here, it's internal. Because God pulled the woman out of.

[Latricia]

The side of the male, which means.

[Torre Roberts]

That within him was both capacities. And the woman could exist independently, but also was within him, which means she can express both capacities. So we have within us that thing, that power, what should be power and vulnerability. But because of the fall is anger and fear. And whenever we confront a threat, we either move in anger or we move in fear. Or anger and fear are wrestling inside of us to see who gets in the driver's seat. And that is what sends us to our prayer closet, warring within ourselves, asking God to give us what we want. And until we can lay that down, we will have an impossible task before.

[Latricia]

Us to be at unity with each other.

[Torre Roberts]

Because the war between anger and fear within us will continue to manifest as.

[Latricia]

The war with anger and fear between us.

[Torre Roberts]

And how can we be in a room worshiping and praying with one accord to the level that the heavens opens up and fire drops down when we are battling with each other, because of.

[Latricia]

How we're battling inside? And so I came to teach you something important this morning. Anger and fear are not your highest responses to threat. Yana was so good last week. Did you guys enjoy Pastor Yana last.

[Torre Roberts]

Week, man, talking about forgiveness. That is one of the elements that.

[Latricia]

Makes forgiveness so hard. Because should I be angry or should I be scared?

[Torre Roberts]

But either way, I'm trying to protect.

[Latricia]

Myself from the threat, from the offense. We were not created to live in anger and fear. Dominion is a combination of power, not anger, and vulnerability, not fear. He gave them power over the garden. He told them to subdue the earth.

[Torre Roberts]

And replenish the earth.

[Latricia]

He gave them power, but they were naked. And so they were supposed to do it from a vulnerable place.

[Torre Roberts]

But when the fall happened, power and vulnerability that made up dominion collapsed into anger and fear. That created division. So we went from dominion to division.

[Latricia]

Between us and within us. How do we get back to power and vulnerability existing in the same place within us and in our relationships? Who is our example? Jesus. If we do not turn to our example, Jesus, we will continue to cannibalize our own body as the body of Christ by bringing these divisions through anger and fear. And currently, in the body of Christ, right now, we are looking at the same divisions that Paul told us did not exist, ethnic divisions. And if you're a Christian, you should be on this side because we are special. I saw. I didn't say nothing specific. I'm just saying there's a lot of talk about the alignment between Christianity and political power. That takes us to the. Excuse me, to the opposite place of James 4. I mean, to the place of James 4, the opposite of Galatians. We are saying there is division and we're warring among ourselves. We're saying, if you are victim, the special ones, the chosen ones, you will step on the ones who are not. That's not a setup for revival. It's not a setup for revival.

[Torre Roberts]

Then we go to class.

[Latricia]

The people who are poor and powerless and those who have the haves and the have nots. And if I'm a Christian, then my political alignment should be with the habs.

[Torre Roberts]

I'm sorry, but my Bible says what Jesus says.

[Latricia]

When you didn't feed the hungry, when you didn't visit those in prison, when.

[Torre Roberts]

You didn't go see about the sick.

[Latricia]

When you took to health insurance. Okay, I asked him not to make me preach this message. When you're taking the food, when you're.

[Torre Roberts]

Taking health coverage, when you're piling them in prisons, but not with rehabilitation and help and mental health services. When you didn't take care of people, you didn't take care of me. But yet we are willing to say that I serve an Angry Jesus who wants to Lord over those who are faithful, fearing and asking for help. We are actually working a cycle that is sin based, not holy based. Power must exist with vulnerability because it keeps me compassionate, because I know it could be me at any time. But power and vulnerability have fallen to anger and fear. And we'd rather be angry than scared because it makes us feel in control.

[Latricia]

Not a recipe for revival. And we have been afraid. We have been afraid to mess too much with these issues because everybody is fighting so low on the ground. Because as horrible as it is for us not to take care of the.

[Torre Roberts]

Needy, as horrible as it is for us to believe that it is somehow in the natural order for women to.

[Latricia]

Be subjugated, as horrible as it is to believe, we rather argue about that.

[Torre Roberts]

Than look at what God was ordaining from the top. There has to come a moment when you push all that off the table and go to Scripture to find out what God's intention was in the first place. And his intention was, to some extent, confuse us, if you will, because he had to stretch our human minds, knowing we cannot talk. Completely understand this kind of unity. We can only pray for it, that.

[Latricia]

We will first have it within us. That my anger and my fear will be crucified. And that my willingness to have power.

[Torre Roberts]

And vulnerability in me for dominion will.

[Latricia]

Look like what Jesus showed me in Gethsemane. Jesus showed us this so well. He laid on that ground and he wept in fear. This grown man with all this power.

[Torre Roberts]

Was terrified, and he expressed it. He cried so loud his disciples, who were a stone's throw away, could hear him.

[Latricia]

We don't allow that. Today we'll say, that's not masculine. Well, that's a lie, because Jesus did it. He wept in that fear moment. But he was so. He was vulnerable. But also he wrestled with power because.

[Torre Roberts]

He said, not my will. He laid it down. An angry person would have been like, we not doing this. No, they started it. I'm not finishing it. They said, I didn't do it. I know it was a good idea up there, but it is not a good idea down here. Have you seen how they whip people? I was the Son of God. I am the Son of God, but I got this human body on now. And that ripping the flesh off hurts. Why do you think he didn't want to do it?

[Latricia]

But he wrestled with vulnerability and with power. And so he was honest about how vulnerable he was. He was honest saying, let this cup pass from me. He was honest in saying, I don't.

[Torre Roberts]

Really want to do this? This is scaring me.

[Latricia]

And then also he recognized the power that he had, that if he called out for it, a legion of angels would come down and snatch him up out of the situation and rescue him.

[Torre Roberts]

He had the power to do it, but he laid it down. John 10 says, he said, no man, take my life. I laid it down. I have the power to lay it down. I have the power to pick it up. But he put his power down for God. And so he was vulnerable and powerful at the same time. This is our mandate.

[Latricia]

If we would follow Jesus and allow ourselves to be conformed to his image.

[Torre Roberts]

Power and vulnerability will combine as the.

[Latricia]

Original dominion instead of difference, instead of fighting between us and within us. And so every one of us, male and female expressions of the image are called to be conformed to Jesus image in the earth. And that was a masculine expression. And so I'm called to carry power as much as anybody in a male expressed body. I'm called to carry power. I'm not out of my feminine.

[Torre Roberts]

I'm called to carry power. But Jesus hanging on the cross, flipped the script again, because in Genesis 3:16, go to John 3:16. Jesus is correcting this by dying. He's hanging on the cross. And as soon as he dies, as soon as he is asleep, a soldier pierces him and opens his side and out of it pours water and blood, living water, the water that brings us into the family of God. And so Adam had the wombed man taken out of his side and Jesus had the bride of Christ taken out of his. And every single one of us is the bride. And so if you don't believe as a man of God that you can be a bride, and if I don't believe as a woman of God that I can carry the power, then we are divided when he's trying to give them us dominion. And we are allowing worldly low level gender arguments and descriptions and differentiation to keep us divided. When he said, there is no male or female in the way that you apply. But we're afraid to say anything because of what people will say about what they think. I mean, but the pure in the heart, hear what I am saying. It is a spiritual essence. Think higher, go higher. How do we get back to being them? How do we get holy dominion? How do we walk with one accord? How do we wait? There were men and women in the upper room. Mary was there, for goodness sakes, waiting on the Holy Ghost. Mary, the mother of Jesus, who had the was empowered to birth. God was still Vulnerably waiting for Pentecost to come. She was waiting for her son to baptize her and follow her. If we do not crucify.

[Latricia]

Anger and fear within us, we will persist in bringing it between us. And it will destroy us relationally, as it's doing in romantic relationships, in friendships. It is destroying us.

[Torre Roberts]

And we were created to be in relationship. And the less we are in the relationships, the more our mental health suffers, the less we're in relationships, the more depression we experience, the more anxiety we experience, the more suicide rates go up. The less we are in relationship, the sicker we are, because we were created to be them.

[Latricia]

And maybe we lay down the anger and fear between us. We try. But what will you do about it within you? How, when, how seriously will you take the decision to lay down your defense of yourself in the presence of a threat? How will you do it other than through Jesus? That I'm willing to lay it down because Jesus laid it down.

[Torre Roberts]

And ask him to change me in.

[Latricia]

Such a way that I carry the very power of God with the awareness of the vulnerability that I have, that.

[Torre Roberts]

I will stand in front of people, I stand in front of you right.

[Latricia]

Now and say, we have this treasure in Earth investors.

[Torre Roberts]

That the excellency of the power would be of God and not of me.

[Latricia]

Because the vulnerability reminds me how I can carry his power in a way that heals nations and individuals, that sparks revival, that sparks the exponential move of the Spirit when I stop resisting being one of them. Will you consider laying down your worldly explanations and experiences? And I don't mean worldly just like sin. I mean like the cultural absorption of these issues of division. Because so many things that we do and decide are not actually based on who Jesus is and not actually based on what Scripture says. It's based on what our culture has taught us. Why do you think a Christian church looks completely different on a Sunday morning at a black church than at a Korean church, at a British church, at a Brazilian church?

[Torre Roberts]

Why you can go to those different.

[Latricia]

And don't even realize we the same religion.

[Torre Roberts]

Everything's so different. The focus of the sermon is different. The way they pray is different. The way they talk about God is different. It's so different in every one of those spaces because our cultural view is more impactful on how we present God than our Bibles. And it's scary to consider that maybe your view of God is too small because you've only had it shaped by one space. And it can be angering to suggest that Your too small view has become a wrong view. And so fear and anger will keep you right here at the church you go to, only talking to people who understand Jesus the way you do and talk about who's not really a Christian and who really is a Christian, because it would scare you or make you mad to lay down your view and.

[Latricia]

Pick up your Bible.

[Torre Roberts]

And so I'm done.

[Latricia]

I'm done. I'm done in so many ways. God sent me this morning to say something so critical. There is neither Jew nor gentile, slave or free, male or female. The differential in control that has risen from anger and fear wrestling with each other since the fall must be broken between us and within us. Let Jesus lead you into dominion, which gives us power contained in vulnerability, because then he can trust us. It will guide your prayers, it will guide your interactions, it will guide your desires, and it will guide your opportunity to be in the body portions that are going to spark the next Pentecostal wave. The power of God is coming. Will you be ready? Stand to your feet.

[Torre Roberts]

Hmm.

[Latricia]

Don't go anywhere. I want to pray something first. I want us to give, but I want to pray something first. If you are in this room and you have been wounded by us, by the way the body of Christ has mistakenly moved in division, in anger, in fear. I talked back at Easter about fear, obligation and guilt being substitute for love, anger and fear. If you've been wounded by that, maybe you have survived an abusive relationship. That was anger, fear. That was that anger, fear cycle wounding you. Maybe you were wounded by an abusive father. It's hard for you to see God clearly because anger let you be afraid for so many years of your life. That's that relational breakdown. Last week when Pastor Yana was here, she talked about the pain that she experienced as a woman, being told that she wasn't allowed to preach. She didn't say this, but one of the things she said, that first conversation that broke my heart so much, was that she had actually started to lament that God made her a woman. Because why would he give her this gift and then have her be struggling like this? Thank God he's healed that wound and she's walking in what God's called her to do. But if you have been wounded in these spaces, in these ways, I want to open the altar to you. Because one of the challenges of healing the body is letting the individual members of the body be healed. When I started talking about mental health to the church, one of the reasons that God was able to open so many doors for me is because I had allowed him to heal wounds around mental health in the church, around my sister's illness and her rejection and her ultimate death because of her mental illness. I was angry for a while about that, but I let God heal that. So I showed up healed. See, healed people heal people. Angry people make other people angry. So you can't show up. So many of you have been wounded in places that you want to be used to help heal the body of Christ, but you can't be used to heal it until you've been healed from it. If you show up angry, angry people make angry people. So if I show up at your.

[Torre Roberts]

Door saying I came to handle this situation that you've been doing, think I'm like, who you talking to?

[Latricia]

Cuz angry people make other people angry. Heal people heal people forgive and people forgive people. And so if you have been been wounded in a space, there's a good chance that you also want to heal in that space. And so I want to open the altar for you to come and be healed. That God would begin that process for you today at another level because these divisions, this anger, this fear relationally, vocationally, callings all kinds of things. We've been wounded, some people lost relationships. We know these last two election cycles cost family members because we are not willing to carry the power of the word vulnerably. When I'm talking to another Christian and I believe that God has given me something clear and I understand it clear and they, they seem to understand it clear.

[Torre Roberts]

And our clears are 100% operational opposite.

[Latricia]

I try to maintain humility always to my best understanding. This is what the word is saying.

[Torre Roberts]

Look, I believe that this is what I heard from God.

[Latricia]

If I hear that I missed something, I'll let you know, but I'm standing on it until I hear different. But when two people are yelling, God.

[Torre Roberts]

Told me and both of them mad.

[Latricia]

At each other.

[Torre Roberts]

Somebody might be wrong or maybe nobody is. Because our view of God is so.

[Latricia]

Low that we can't conceive how two.

[Torre Roberts]

Things that seem opposite to us can exist in the spirit realm because we're too small and our thoughts are not his thoughts and our ways are not his ways. But we want to be right and we get mad.

[Latricia]

That's the anger because we're scared to be wrong. May God give us both power and vulnerability to walk in dominion. But if you've been wounded in a power space, that's abuse. If you have been wounded in a way that makes you afraid to, to be the vulnerable people he created us to be. It's difficult to also then be the healer. And so I had to heal about my sister's loss. I feel like if the church had understood mental health better, there's a good chance that she might still be alive. But how can I make anything better? How can he use me if I'm going to be consumed by my anger around that? And so I had to let him heal that. And to have it healed is different than to having it explained. But as you've often heard me say, it's not the answers that's going to heal you. It's God. God will restore shalom, Shalom within you. He will bring you back to a place of dominion, power, and vulnerability. Is there anyone else who wants to come? And I can't lay a hand on each of you, but the coming forward is a way of us expressing publicly. I need this. I see. If there's anybody here who doesn't know Jesus, you haven't been in relationship with Jesus before. Maybe largely because when you hear people talk about him, he's either angry or trying to make you scared. It's not the Jesus that I roll with. He has loved me beyond my comprehension. His kindness has been beyond my comprehension, his forgiveness of me beyond my comprehension. This Jesus is trying to knit us back together. He wants us to be them. If you haven't locked in your relationship with Jesus and you want to today, I want to just ask you to slip your hand up. If you're watching online, type it in the chat. Is there anyone here who wants to come into a deep relationship with Jesus? The one that I talked about today, who died for us to come back together in ourselves and with others. I want to pray for you. Is there one? I never want to assume everybody knows them. All right, well, this is a healing day, obviously, and that's a good thing. Lift your hands. Amen. God help us. We have functioned with anger and fear for so long because we were born fallen and it was all we knew. And because so often, even as we have strived to be Christians and leaders, we've allowed anger and fear to be the lens through which we understand scripture and you. And so we have not always taught it correctly. We have not always lived it correctly. And people are wounded because of that. And so, Father, they're here today saying, I'm stepping through the wound to you, God, that I'm trying my best to see the difference between the human vessel that wounded me and you. I'm trying my best, God, to stop feeling like I have to. To be afraid or be angry enough to protect myself. That vulnerability is too expensive. And that laying down my anger makes me feel vulnerable. But God, we want to have an experience with divine power. We want to stop wrestling with masculinity and femininity in ways that keep us distracted from our divinity. So bring us back to them so that we have a holy understanding of what it means for us to be made in your image, even when we're expressed differently, but that we are meant to be them. Heal these who have been wounded in ways that they want to help heal. Give them understanding, understanding of your word that allows them to see themselves clearly. The things about them that are beautiful and the things about them that you died to help them change. We don't want a rosy view. We want a healthy, powerful, true view of us through your lens. And so, Father, forgive us. Forgive us as we forgive those who have trespassed against us. That is how our Lord taught us to pray. Heal us in the ways that we.

[Torre Roberts]

Have been trying to work out these.

[Latricia]

Internal divisions ourselves, that we would lay down the natural fight and take up the spiritual fight.

[Torre Roberts]

Help us to stop wrestling against our.

[Latricia]

Own flesh and blood and use the weapons of spirit. Because you have given us spiritual weapons to transform us into who we're meant to be. We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers. We want to have dominion in the kingdom realm, in the spirit realm. So God heal us all. Make us them. In Jesus name. Amen. Amen. Hallelujah. Hallelujah.

[Torre Roberts]

If you'll walk back to your seats.

[Latricia]

We'Re going to give together and worship a little together. And yeah, I know some of you going to be home thinking about this one all afternoon. Study it out. He's doing something anywhere. We are so divided that we can't feel like we are them. We are failing. That means there's fear or there's anger. And we have to allow ourselves to trust the power of God vulnerably to come in and work within each of us. Each of them, all of us. We have not trusted God enough to do his work in a life.

[Torre Roberts]

We trust him to do his work in our life, but we don't trust.

[Latricia]

Him to do his work in somebody else's life.

[Torre Roberts]

We trust him to do his work in our life, but we feel like we got to control his work in somebody else's life. That's a different message.

[Latricia]

That's a different message.

[Torre Roberts]

Pastor Ev, start my car because I.

[Latricia]

Might be in trouble. But there is a them that is powerful. And I want to be one of them.

[Torre Roberts]

Hey family, well, I pray that you were just as blessed by this teaching as I was. I'm just so grateful again to be a part of a dynamic community full of love, full of revelation and wisdom. One has been a movement that's been blessing people for over two decades and I'm so glad that you got an opportunity to experience it. I also have a podcast called the called it's right here on wherever you're listening to this Spotify or Apple or wherever you're listening to this podcast. You can just look up the call T H E C A L L E D with myself, Terre Roberts. This is designed for entrepreneurs, leaders and business business people to weekly podcasts and it will bless you. But hey, I enjoyed having you here. Meet us here next week. Check out the call. Much blessings to you. We'll catch you next time.