On this episode, I speak to the returning Petra Wille, product leadership coach, author of Strong Product People, and founder of the Product at Heart conference. Petra has spent years helping product leaders and organisations develop stronger product cultures, leadership practices, and team structures across a wide range of industries. We went deep into product leadership, especially in an age of AI where we're all being told to be builders again, and how her Product Leadership Wheel helps product leaders up their game.

Episode highlights

Leadership is a distinct discipline - Strong individual contributors do not automatically become strong leaders, and leadership requires deliberate development rather than promotion by default.
Product leaders need directional clarity - One of the core responsibilities of leadership is helping teams understand where the organisation is going, why it matters, and how everyday decisions connect to broader strategy.
Coaching is an underused leadership skill - Petra argues that many leaders underestimate the importance of coaching capabilities and fail to invest enough time in helping teams grow and improve.
Culture is often invisible inside organisations - Teams frequently struggle to articulate their company culture because they are immersed in it every day, making reflection and intentional leadership even more important.
AI is changing the demands placed on leaders - Product leaders are being forced to rethink team structures, workflows, decision-making, and product experiences as AI reshapes how organisations operate.
Efficiency gains can create new problems - Faster delivery is not automatically better. Petra warns that organisations risk creating more technical debt, burnout, and shallow thinking if speed becomes the only goal.
Leadership requires optimistic narratives - In periods of uncertainty, leaders play a critical role in creating credible and motivating visions of the future for their teams and organisations.
Feedback gaps exist between leaders and teams - Many product leaders believe they are performing well, while individual contributors often see significant shortcomings, partly because organisations lack shared frameworks for discussing leadership quality.
Reflection matters more than benchmarking - Petra emphasises that leadership frameworks should help people identify growth areas and learning opportunities rather than turn development into rigid performance comparisons.
Leaders should focus on the "shipyard" - Rather than constantly jumping into delivery work, product leaders should concentrate on improving the systems, structures, and environments that enable teams to succeed.

... and much more.

Contact Petra

Website: https://www.petra-wille.com
Product at Heart: https://www.productatheart.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/petra-wille-b8b1329/