Ongoing History of New Music: "Good Goth - Part 1" Summary
Release Date: June 20, 2025
Host: Alan Cross
Podcast: Ongoing History of New Music by Curiouscast
Introduction to Goth Music and Its Misconceptions
[01:00] Alan Cross kicks off the episode by addressing the widespread misconceptions surrounding goth music. He explains how certain types of music have historically been labeled as "evil," often blamed on mythical entities like Satan. Cross emphasizes that while music aims to evoke emotions, the harsh dissonance in some chords was once so unsettling that institutions like the Catholic Church deemed them diabolic.
“It sounds kind of dissonant... but that was the whole point. It evoked an emotional response, a disturbing emotional response.” – Alan Cross [01:00]
Cross highlights that modern usage of such chords is commonplace, contrasting past fears with today’s more accepting musical landscape.
The Origins of Goth Music
[04:13] Alan Cross delves into the roots of goth music, tracing its lineage back to the British punk rock explosion of the late 1970s. He credits bands like Joy Division and early Ultravox as pioneers who infused punk’s raw energy with darker, introspective themes.
“Goth is first and foremost a British creation.” – Alan Cross [08:45]
Cross explains that the economic and social turmoil in Britain during this period—high unemployment, strikes, and recession—fueled the emergence of goth as a form of expressive outlet for the youth.
Formation of the Goth Subculture
The host discusses how goth transcended music to become a full-fledged subculture encompassing art, fashion, lifestyle, and even elements of religion and politics. He differentiates between casual participants and hardcore enthusiasts, while also addressing the unfortunate stigma associated with isolated incidents linking goth culture to violence.
“Goth is not the evil thing that some people think it is.” – Alan Cross [09:10]
Key Bands and Musical Evolution
[09:31] Alan Cross introduces Siouxsie and the Banshees, one of the first-generation goth bands, noting their significant influence on the scene. He narrates the tragic story of Ian Curtis from Joy Division, whose suicide deepened the emotional gravitas of goth music.
“Some remembered that Dave Vanian of the punk band the Damned sometimes claimed to be a vampire, which was pretty interesting.” – Alan Cross [10:10]
Cross highlights Bauhaus with their seminal track "Bela Lugosi's Dead" as the prototypical goth anthem, embodying the dark, vampiric aesthetics that became synonymous with the genre.
The Batcave and the Mainstream Breakthrough
A pivotal moment in goth history, [12:26] Alan Cross recounts the opening of the Batcave nightclub in London's Soho district by the band Specimen in July 1982. This venue became the epicenter for the goth movement, fostering a community and spreading the subculture both nationally and internationally.
“Specimen was so ambitious that they decided to open up their own club.” – Alan Cross [13:00]
The Batcave's influence catalyzed goth's entry into the mainstream by providing a dedicated space for expression and performance, blending gothic and glam elements.
The First Wave of Goth Bands
[16:39] Alan Cross outlines the first wave of goth bands from 1979 to 1985, predominantly led by British groups like The Cure, The March Violets, and The Sisters of Mercy. He notes the distinctive sound characterized by tribal drums, melodic bass lines, sharp guitars, and often operatic vocals, creating a mesmerizing and hypnotic musical experience.
“The drums were fairly tribal... the guitars were sharp and thin, while the singing could be almost operatic at times.” – Alan Cross [17:00]
Cross provides examples of key tracks, including Alien Sex Fiend's "Unfeeling," showcasing the era's quintessential goth sound.
Transition and Legacy
As the first wave dwindled by the end of 1985, [18:48] Alan Cross reflects on the enduring nature of goth music and subculture. He illustrates how bands like Southern Death Cult evolved into globally recognized acts like The Cult, demonstrating goth's lasting impact on the broader music landscape.
“By the end of 1985, the first wave of goth and goth mania was coming to an end. But the music and the subculture proved, well, just as undead as some of their subjects of fascination.” – Alan Cross [18:48]
Conclusion and Teaser for Part Two
[19:58] Alan Cross wraps up the episode by summarizing goth's evolution from a punk offshoot to a significant cultural force. He hints at the genre's quiet expansion and sustained influence, promising an in-depth exploration in the next installment.
“So what happened next? Well, goth got bigger, but quietly. I'll explain next time on part two.” – Alan Cross [19:58]
Notable Audio Interludes
Throughout the episode, listeners are treated to snippets from iconic goth and related bands, including:
- Nine Inch Nails covering Joy Division’s "Keep on Calling Me" ([04:13]).
- Bauhaus performing "Bela Lugosi's Dead" ([10:27]).
- Nick Cave and the Birthday Party with "Release the Bats" ([15:14]).
- Specimen from their album "Batastrophe" ([14:06]).
These interludes serve to illustrate the discussed points and provide an authentic auditory experience of the goth era.
Final Thoughts
Alan Cross successfully demystifies goth music, presenting it as a rich and complex subculture rather than the misunderstood and villainized genre. By tracing its origins, key players, and cultural significance, the episode offers listeners a comprehensive understanding of goth’s place in music history.
For those new to the genre or seeking to deepen their appreciation, "Good Goth - Part 1" serves as an engaging and informative introduction, setting the stage for continued exploration in subsequent episodes.