S1 E5: Twist

Summary

Only Murders in the Building Official Podcast

S1 E5: “Twist”

Date: September 15, 2021
Host: Elizabeth Keener & Kevin Lanigan
Guest: Tembi Banks (Writer, Episode 5)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Only Murders in the Pod dives deep into Episode 5 ("Twist") of Hulu’s hit whodunit-comedy, Only Murders in the Building. Hosts Elizabeth Keener and Kevin dissect the key revelations, character arcs, and plot turns while chatting with writer Tembi Banks about crafting such an intricately layered episode. The discussion covers everything from Oscar’s return, hidden clues, behind-the-scenes writing insights, and the joy—and challenge—of scripting dueling comedy legends. The hosts also seal their "whodunit" guesses and prompt Tembi for a clue about the ongoing mystery.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Major Revelations in Episode 5

• Tie Dye Guy Reveal: The hosts excitedly confirm that “Tie Dye Guy” is Oscar, who has just been released from prison — a fact many viewers had begun to suspect, but was formally revealed in this episode.
  • Elizabeth Keener [01:12]: “First, we now know in episode five who Tie Dye Guy is.”
  • Kevin [01:19]: “Yes, we do. It’s Oscar. Ooh, that’s good.”
• Oscar’s Innocence?
  • The hosts debate whether Oscar could really have killed Tim Kono, reflecting audience uncertainty and noting the episode builds plausible deniability for him.
    • Elizabeth [01:54]: “Do we believe that Oscar killed Tim Kono? Do we? Or do we believe his story?”
• Tattoo Motif & Hidden Clues: Recurrent whale tattoos connect Mabel, Oscar, and a previous victim, cleverly hidden throughout the show and even on a Hardy Boys book.
  • Kevin [02:41]: “It was on one of the Hardy Boys books.”
  • Elizabeth [02:43]: “Yes, it was the name…something about the whale.”

2. New York as a Character

• Tembi Banks emphasizes the show’s authentic New York flavor, both architecturally and culturally. She highlights the reality of living in iconic buildings: neighborly anonymity, economic diversity, and classic NYC nosiness.
  • Tembi [07:26]: “So much of this show and the characters, they glob onto the realities of what it is to be a certain kind of person in New York…there’s a great equalizer.”

3. Writing in a Pandemic & The Writer’s Room

• Tembi shares her unique onboarding experience: joining the Only Murders team via “Zoom room,” after COVID shutdowns interrupted her directing career.
  • Tembi [05:53]: “I was in the middle of directing my very first feature film. And on the second day...everything in town shut down.”
  • Narrator [06:44]: “It ended up working out with Only Murders…Tembi read the script on a Friday, met with the team Sunday, signed her contract…in the room on Tuesday.”

4. The Episode’s “Twists”

• Hosts and Tembi enumerate the major episode twists: the real identity of the Tie Dye Guy and the meaning of the initials "GM," which leads to the reveal of a cousin who owns a tattoo shop.
  • Tembi [10:08]: “The revelation of Oscar was huge…putting to rest any suspicions as to, like, who was tie dye hoodie guy... The GM was huge, you know, because he was very, very helpful in discovering it wasn't what Mabel thought it was.”

5. Balancing Mystery and Comedy

• Tembi provides a writer’s perspective on balancing the mechanical demands of breadcrumbing clues with character and relationship building, explaining some arcs must ebb or flow per episode.
  • Tembi [12:40]: “Sometimes you just have to make tough decisions and say, this episode really has to focus on these mystery elements, while next episode…we can spend a little bit more time building the relationship…”

6. Oliver’s Car & Comedic Duos

• The 1970s yellow Peugeot “Aphrodite” acts as a mobile set piece for Oliver and Charles’s comedic bickering, most of which is both scripted and improvised—a challenge for any writer tasked with scripting Steve Martin and Martin Short.
  • Tembi [14:27]: “I was like, oh my god, the pressure is on. How am I tasked to write these scenes where Steve Martin and Martin Short are just going back and forth?”
• Memorable improv moment:
  • Actor [15:23]: “I got Saggy Bottom Balls in Sag Harbor. Saggy Bottom Balls is what she called me.”

7. The Language of Hulu

• Both hosts and Tembi note the freedom to write and deliver more adult language, especially for Selena Gomez’s character, whose dry delivery and “Disney background” make her cursing especially memorable.
  • Tembi [16:00]: “You are the second person that commented on how it feels to hear Selena Gomez curse…She was written as such a sardonic character, and she delivered so expertly…”

8. Oscar as Narrator & Authentic Representation

• Tembi highlights her responsibility in authentically voicing Oscar (as the episode’s narrator), rooting him in New York’s Latino culture and trauma, while injecting some levity.
  • Tembi [17:27]: “It was really important to nail Oscar's voice because this was the first time…one of the biggest tasks for me was to really lend and establish who this human was and what his inner trauma was…”

9. Red Herrings and Looking Ahead

• The hosts engage Tembi in giving a "teaser clue" for the rest of the season:
  • Tembi [19:06]: “The safest clue I can give is that...it will be a journey for [the main characters] to discover and come to terms with who the killer is.”

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On Oscar’s Reveal:
  Kevin [01:19]: “Yes, we do. It’s Oscar. Ooh, that’s good.”

• On Writing for Comedy Legends:
  Tembi [14:27]: “How am I tasked to write these scenes where Steve Martin and Martin Short are just going back and forth…? And then also just knowing them, like, okay, whatever I write stands a chance to…get remixed or rewritten…”

• On Selena Gomez’s Delivery:
  Kevin [16:09]: “It’s so monotone sometimes. And so she just delivers. Queen of that.”

• On Authentic Oscar:
  Tembi [17:27]: “I want this real Latino man from New York to just really light up the screen.”

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Important Timestamps

• 01:12: Tie Dye Guy (Oscar) identity confirmed
• 03:13: Writer Kristen Newman’s hint about Jan’s bassoon—possible red herring
• 05:30: Tembi’s journey into the OMIB writers’ room
• 07:26: New York’s character and culture dissected
• 10:08: Clarification of episode’s twists (Oscar & GM/cousin’s tattoo shop)
• 12:25: The writing challenge: balancing character and mystery
• 14:27: Pressure of scripting Steve Martin and Martin Short
• 15:23: Improvised car scene hilarity (“Saggy Bottom Balls in Sag Harbor”)
• 16:00: Reactions to Selena Gomez’s cursing
• 17:27: Crafting Oscar’s unique narrative voice
• 19:06: Tembi’s only clue for future episodes (“it’s a journey”)
• 20:13: Hosts reveal their whodunit picks to each other

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The Whodunit Summit (20:08)

• Kevin’s suspect: Teddy’s son (Nathan Lane’s character’s son)
• Elizabeth’s suspect: “Crazy Lester,” the doorman, based on his knowledge and suspicious behavior.
  • Elizabeth [20:46]: “Lester knows everything that's going on in the building...he knows no one came in or out.”

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Final Thoughts

The episode effectively unpacks “Twist’s” pivotal moments, explores the nuances of writer’s room mechanics during the pandemic, and delights fans with playful theorizing. Tembi Banks’s perspective as both a New Yorker and the creator responsible for Oscar’s introduction deepens appreciation for the episode’s character-driven approach. The give-and-take among cast, crew, and location breathes life into both the mystery and the show’s broader comedic voice—leaving listeners eager to solve the case right alongside the characters.

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For more behind-the-scenes stories or to share your own theories, reach out to the podcast or tune in next week!

Transcript

[Kevin]

Straw Hut Media.

[Elizabeth Keener]

And you knew who the murderer was right away and kind of backtracked from there? Correct. Did this work? Did this work?

[Narrator/Host (possibly Elizabeth Keener or another host)]

She's good. Oh, she's good.

[Elizabeth Keener]

I just slid it in there.

[Kevin]

You tried.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Elizabeth Keener or another host)]

You tried, Kevin.

[Temby Banks]

We had a fun time exploring and discovering and challenging and questioning.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Elizabeth Keener or another host)]

Welcome to episode five of Only Murders in the Pod. Who are we? We're just your average true crime addicts. A little like Charles, Oliver and Mabel, the three main characters of the Hulu original series, Only Murders in the Building. We're looking behind the scenes and mining for clues as we meet the cast and creators of the show. Our goal, can we or can you solve this crime before all is revealed in the season finale? As of now, we've seen the first five episodes. So listeners, beware. If you haven't watched, hit the pause button, get caught up and come right back. So we don't spoil anything for you.

[Elizabeth Keener]

Keener.

[Kevin]

Kevin.

[Elizabeth Keener]

So what do we know now? First, we now know in episode five who Tie Dye Guy is.

[Kevin]

Yes, we do. It's Oscar. Ooh, that's good.

[Elizabeth Keener]

Did you guess that?

[Kevin]

I think I did, but not in the very beginning. I did afterwards because I thought, where is he? He's supposed to be released. And. And we find out. Yeah, we find out he was released a week earlier.

[Elizabeth Keener]

A week earlier.

[Kevin]

So, yeah, so he's already out. Okay, so, well, we know it's Oscar and we know he's just got out of prison, and we're assuming it's for the murder of their friend. Do you think that's gonna be him in that first scene? Or somebody else wearing the Tie Dye sweatshirt?

[Elizabeth Keener]

I think that's a decoy. I do not think it's going to be him.

[Kevin]

We're talking about the first scene, correct, where the dead body.

[Elizabeth Keener]

Mabel's covered in blood. She's like, it's not what it looks like.

[Kevin]

She says, it's not what it looks like. I always love that.

[Elizabeth Keener]

Do we believe that Oscar killed Tim Kono? Do we? Or do we believe his story? He did say he went up to his apartment. He said he didn't know what he was going to do. Maybe beat him up or something.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Elizabeth Keener or another host)]

Right.

[Elizabeth Keener]

And then he heard the gunshot.

[Kevin]

I mean, do we believe in that? We heard that. He heard the gunshot instead of actually did something about the gunshot, you know, I don't know. It's just the tattoo. We saw it on the girl who died, the whale.

[Elizabeth Keener]

We saw it on Mabel.

[Kevin]

We see up and. Yeah, we saw it on Tie Dye Guy. Oscar on his Arm.

[Elizabeth Keener]

He had one on his form.

[Kevin]

And you noticed, which I didn't. It was on one of the books.

[Elizabeth Keener]

Yes.

[Kevin]

One of the Hardy Boys books.

[Elizabeth Keener]

Yes, it was the name. I don't remember the title of the book, but it was something about the whale.

[Kevin]

It was either the whale tattoo. The. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Elizabeth Keener]

Did Hardy Boys get tattoos?

[Kevin]

But I thought it was. It was the case of the whale Tattoo, which I don't remember reading as a kid, but no.

[Elizabeth Keener]

So last week, the writer of episode four, Kristen Newman, she told us that Jan plays the bassoon for a reason. Do we think that reason is that she's involved in the murder or that she's just kind of kinky and sexual?

[Kevin]

I don't know. That's a really interesting musical instrument. So Mabel follows the post it note, and Oscar thinks it's for her cousin's tattoo parlor.

[Elizabeth Keener]

Right.

[Kevin]

They get there, and her cousin says Tim was afraid for his life and trying to take down this black market jewelry operation. I mean, what's going on?

[Elizabeth Keener]

And Brazos also said, why would this banker guy be getting involved with these jewelry?

[Kevin]

The black market jewelry?

[Elizabeth Keener]

Yeah.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Elizabeth Keener or another host)]

Why?

[Kevin]

It's really odd. And. But we know we're. Would he have a lot of bills to pay? Like, he was behind A lot of

[Elizabeth Keener]

bills, a lot of money. So was he planning on selling all of these jewels to pay off his debts?

[Kevin]

I don't know. And, you know, I thought that was all the jewelry from a long time ago, but I think it's just that the jewelry that he bought from the black market, I can't. I can't tell where that jewelry is coming from yet.

[Elizabeth Keener]

And at the end of this episode, Mabel reveals the jewelry she found stashed in the Hardy Boys.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Elizabeth Keener or another host)]

Right.

[Kevin]

So there's a. I mean, that's what I'm saying.

[Elizabeth Keener]

There's a lot of jewelry.

[Kevin]

There's a lot of jewelry.

[Elizabeth Keener]

Why was he sitting on it for so long?

[Kevin]

Lastly, throughout the entire episode, Oliver is convinced Mabel is the killer. Are we convinced as the audience?

[Elizabeth Keener]

I don't think she's the killer.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Elizabeth Keener or another host)]

In a typical comedy show writers room, there's a big group of smart and funny people who sit around a table throwing ideas and jokes around. One writer is tasked with putting all that collaboration down on paper. That script usually goes to the showrunner next and to the executive producers and around and around until the final draft is done in Only murders. It's like that, except with the added layer of a murder mystery.

[Temby Banks]

So you guys have seen episode five?

[Kevin]

Yes, we're up to six. Episode five.

[Elizabeth Keener]

That's all we've seen, so we don't know what happens after that.

[Kevin]

Nothing else.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Elizabeth Keener or another host)]

This is Temby Banks, who, like Kirker Butler on episode two, Ben Smith on episode three, and Kristen Newman on episode four, had the job of putting all that collaborative writing onto paper. She's an award winning writer, producer and director who's worked on shows like Brooklyn Nine Nine, HBO's Insecure and Showtime Smilf.

[Kevin]

How did you end up in this

[Narrator/Host (possibly Elizabeth Keener or another host)]

writer's room, which we know was a zoom room?

[Temby Banks]

Yes, yes. We are in the age of zoom rooms. So pretty much like traditionally it happen, but it happened really fast. I actually, at the start of COVID in the Pandemic, I was in the middle of directing my very first feature film.

[Elizabeth Keener]

Oh my God.

[Temby Banks]

And on the second day of us shooting, everything in town shut down. So I was like, oh, my gosh, this is so crazy. And so I, like the rest of the world, was just kind of playing it day by day trying to figure out what was going to happen and what my next move would be like, would we get the movie back up? And going after like two or three weeks? Ha ha ha. That didn't happen. And so after a while, when I realized that we were staying put as a country and as an industry and we were gonna be home for a while, I was like, you know what? I miss being in a room. Like, you know, I told like, my agents and everything. I was like, you know, let me know which shows are staffing because, you know, I love to go into a room since I'm gonna be, you know, at home for the foreseeable future. And that's the great thing about being a writer, is we could write from home and keep going.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Elizabeth Keener or another host)]

It ended up working out with only murders. Temby read the script on a Friday, met with the team that Sunday, signed her contract on Monday, and was in the room on Tuesday.

[Temby Banks]

It was literally over a weekend that everything happened.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Elizabeth Keener or another host)]

Temby lives in Los Angeles now, but she's originally from New York.

[Temby Banks]

So that was a part of the allure for me is this was like through and through a New York story. And it just to me was like going to be so fun to talk about. One of the staples of that New York experience, which is the big iconic luxury buildings that we all know people live in.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Elizabeth Keener or another host)]

She didn't grow up in one of those buildings herself, but she says she has friends who did.

[Temby Banks]

For me, it was just about like digging into that part of the culture of the city and then just all in general the culture of the city. So much of this show and the characters of this show, they glob onto the realities of what it is to be a certain kind of person in New York. And so that idea of living in a building for 20, 30 years and not really knowing your neighbors, that's a part of New York, right? And then in some instances, knowing your neighbors because you're nosy or cause you're friendly. So it's either way, right? And then also there's just like a great equalizer in New York that has always happened in certain spaces. And it's happening even more so in like lived in spaces. So you can live in a building and there's like the 80 year old who comes from like, you know, a billion dollar era, kind of like background. And then you've got like, you know, the kid who made like a million dollars because he, like started an online business and he's living next door and then everyone in between. So, you know, that is just the city and how it operates. And so digging into those realities was really fun.

[Elizabeth Keener]

Love that. And we've said that New York is a character on the show.

[Temby Banks]

It is very much so. A character.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Elizabeth Keener or another host)]

We're going to take a quick break. When we come back, TEMBY tells us if we caught the twist that gave episode five its title. Welcome back. Before the break, we met writer Temby Banks, who told us a bit about herself and how she ended up writing for Only Murders in the Building. Like the other writers, Temby wasn't able to visit the set and see production in action.

[Temby Banks]

No, it was like, you know, very exclusive zone, unfortunately. So I didn't make it to set, but we were able to kind of like watch dailies and see what was happening from a distance. And so technology was like, helping us kind of like live vicariously through, like, you know, some of the other people who were just like right there on set.

[Elizabeth Keener]

So this episode title is Twist. And we identified at least two twists. We realized that Oscar is the tie dye guy in the hoodie.

[Kevin]

And finished a week before, I mean, got out a week before, got out

[Elizabeth Keener]

of jail a week before. And the initials gm, which was one thing. And then it seemed to be her cousin who owned a tattoo parlor. Were those the twists or is there something we missed or is there something else that was.

[Temby Banks]

Those were the big twists, for sure. Oscar. The revelation of Oscar was huge. And that was a big moment in this episode. And it was finally like, putting to rest any suspicions as to, like, who was tie dye hoodie Guy, what was his involvement? Is he the murderer? I mean, maybe not putting that to bed, but at least, you know, revealing who this person is and was and what he means to Mabel and how he fits now into the scope of everything. And then the GM was huge, you know, because, you know, he was very, very helpful in discovering it wasn't what Mabel thought it was.

[Kevin]

Well, this isn't really a question, but a comment because, you know, in. We see. We see when Mabel is over another dead body, aren't they wearing the tie dye.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Elizabeth Keener or another host)]

Dye?

[Kevin]

So we don't know. We're like, hmm, is that still Oscar?

[Narrator/Host (possibly Elizabeth Keener or another host)]

Or who could that be?

[Kevin]

So we are excited about that because we saw that.

[Temby Banks]

Yeah. So I'm glad that you picked up on that, and I'm glad that that now has, like, bled into the mystery of it all, because it's like, who was wearing that hoodie? What happens?

[Narrator/Host (possibly Elizabeth Keener or another host)]

Who?

[Kevin]

Who.

[Temby Banks]

How did that person get the hoodie on if it's not Oscar? Right. If it's someone else, which it very well may be, it's like, how do we even get there? So now there's just, like, building. We're just building on top of, you know, the mystery.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Elizabeth Keener or another host)]

This episode answers a lot of questions. There are huge plot developments, deep character revelations, and scenes of pure comedic gold. It's a big task, and we felt it.

[Temby Banks]

You know, at times, that's the burden of breaking a mystery and trying to figure out how you sparse out the detail of the mystery while also keeping alive the other elements of the story, like the relationships that are building and growing between our main characters, which is very, very important, and then also just paying attention to the current, just kind of like issues that each one is facing emotionally. Right. And how do we also lend some time to.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Elizabeth Keener or another host)]

Temby brought up specifically Oliver's emotional arc. Throughout the season, we see him basing his own value on his success as a creative and failing. He's broke and a disappointment to his own son. But he's not the only character with issues to explore.

[Temby Banks]

And sometimes you just have to make tough decisions and say, this episode really has to focus on these mystery elements while next episode and the episode before that, we can spend a little bit more time building the relationship and building, like, the character kind of like interactions that these people have with each other and who these characters are and revealing who they are a little bit more. So it's really just kind of like really sitting down, taking a breath, taking a step back, looking at everything that you have from episode one to 10 and then figuring Out. Okay, where can we fit some of the things in? And some of it is trial and error. Like, sometimes it's writing something, writing a scene in one episode and pulling it out and realizing it can't fit there. It's not its best there. We gotta move it on to this episode here. So there's a lot of that.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Elizabeth Keener or another host)]

A big chunk of the episode takes place in Oliver's car, a 1970s yellow Peugeot 504 he named Aphrodite. Have you ever named your car? Just curious. Have you ever named your car?

[Temby Banks]

You know what? Never. So I never named my car anything as, like, exotic as that, because usually my cars were looking like a Sam or a Sally. So a Beth. You know, I didn't have that type of car that he had. And he had so much fun dreaming up what kind of ridiculous car he would have.

[Actor (possibly Steve Martin or Martin Short)]

This is Aphrodite. I got her in LA when I was filming Singing in the Rain 2 for VH1. Oh, look in the ashtray. It's a jelly bean from 1963. Maybe it's a Mexican diet buildup. Oh, no, it's a fen fin.

[Elizabeth Keener]

When Oliver and Charles are driving, their scenes just seem almost improvised. Is that something that was scripted, or did they just kind of started winging it when they were filming?

[Temby Banks]

So both. And you can imagine me knowing that my episode is one of the episodes where we spend a lot of time highlighting the comedic genius and the comedic relationship of these two iconic characters. I was like, oh, my God, the pressure is on. Like, how am I tasked to write these scenes where Steve Martin and Martin Short are just going back and forth, being like, just these funny, funny people. And I'm like, how can I even lend a voice to what these guys are doing? And then also just knowing them, like, okay, whatever I write stands a chance to kind of get remixed or rewritten or just completely torn apart and, like, thrown out? Because when they get into the seat, literally and figuratively, they're gonna just go,

[Actor (possibly Steve Martin or Martin Short)]

ooh, I got the clapping now against it. And I got Saggy Bottom Balls in Sag Harbor. Saggy Bottom Balls is what she called me.

[Temby Banks]

Bom, bom, bom, bom.

[Actor (possibly Steve Martin or Martin Short)]

She had a way with the names.

[Temby Banks]

Boom, boom, boom, boom.

[Actor (possibly Steve Martin or Martin Short)]

Sag Bottom Balls in Sag. Oh, exiting. Look, they're exiting. Oh, yeah, good eye.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Elizabeth Keener or another host)]

The language on the show would never

[Kevin]

fly on network tv.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Elizabeth Keener or another host)]

And that freedom is one of the great things about Hulu original content. The writers don't have to worry about the FCC bleeping out all their carefully crafted curses. And it's also maybe the first time a lot of us have heard those words coming out of Selena Gomez's mouth.

[Temby Banks]

And you are the second person that commented on how it feels to hear Selena Gomez curse. I don't know why it's such a thing.

[Kevin]

Right?

[Elizabeth Keener]

It's the Disney background.

[Kevin]

I don't even mean Disney. No, I don't even. No, I don't even mean Disney. I mean, the way she.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Elizabeth Keener or another host)]

It's so monotone sometimes.

[Kevin]

And so she just delivers. Queen of that. Yes, queen of that.

[Temby Banks]

So, of course, we, you know, we're potty mouths. Okay. And a lot of us are like New Yorkers. And the rest of us are just, like, you know, cynical, just, you know, very, very blunt writers who were living through a pandemic. So the F bombs and the cuss words were just, like, aplenty. Right? And so obviously, we were writing in the cuss words, and, you know, she threw in a little bit of her own. But the thing is, is that she was written as such a sardonic character, and she delivered so expertly, you know, on that. And she just really got the essence of who we envisioned and then, like, elevated it. And so, yeah, that's all her. And she just understood what it was that this character needed to be.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Elizabeth Keener or another host)]

Episode five introduces us officially to Tie Dye Guy. It turns out he's Oscar, Mabel's friend from her Hardy Boy's days. But beyond introducing us to him, the episode is actually narrated by him.

[Temby Banks]

It was really important to nail Oscar's voice because this was the first time that we were meeting him. And so one of the biggest tasks for me in writing this script was, you know, I was one of the first people to kind of, like, really lend and establish who this human was and, like, what. What his kind of, like, inner trauma was, what his issues were, how he is, you know, dealing with everything that he's been through. And then it's also, like, where he is right now in life and making sure that we inserted some joy and some fun into him, and then also just giving him that authentic voice of a New Yorker. And so I just, like, leaned on a lot of my friends that I grew up with. And so I pulled just from a lot of people that I just knew that were my friends, and I was like, you know, I want this real Latino man from New York to just really light up the screen.

[Elizabeth Keener]

So we've asked all of our guests one question at the end, which is a clue, something we can think about for the remaining episodes.

[Kevin]

Yeah, we're Trying to figure out who

[Narrator/Host (possibly Elizabeth Keener or another host)]

the murderer is before we're told.

[Kevin]

So it's. It can be very vague, but everyone's

[Narrator/Host (possibly Elizabeth Keener or another host)]

giving us some type of clue.

[Elizabeth Keener]

Some people more helpful than others, some

[Narrator/Host (possibly Elizabeth Keener or another host)]

of those red herrings, but we'll take anything.

[Temby Banks]

Hmm. I think the safest clue I can give is that. Our. You know, even our characters that we're following, you know, it will.

[Kevin]

They.

[Temby Banks]

You know, it'll. It'll be a journey for them to discover and come to terms with who the killer is. Oh, that's good.

[Elizabeth Keener]

Something to think about.

[Kevin]

Okay, Kevin, you know what it's time for?

[Elizabeth Keener]

Yes, I'm excited.

[Kevin]

It's the whodunit summit.

[Elizabeth Keener]

This is where we seal in an envelope our guesses for who we think is the murderer as of what we know now, which is episode five up to this point. So these are sealed in an envelope up until this very moment?

[Kevin]

Yes.

[Elizabeth Keener]

And I'm gonna open yours first. So the envelope, please.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Elizabeth Keener or another host)]

Yes, sir.

[Elizabeth Keener]

All right. You put Teddy's son, Nathan Lane's character's son.

[Kevin]

Yes, I think I've said that three times.

[Elizabeth Keener]

You did say that. Three.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Elizabeth Keener or another host)]

Three or maybe four.

[Kevin]

No, three times now. This is my third time, and I still believe it.

[Elizabeth Keener]

And he wasn't even in this episode.

[Kevin]

He wasn't in this episode, which is,

[Elizabeth Keener]

you know, he's your biggest suspect.

[Kevin]

He is my biggest suspect. Okay.

[Elizabeth Keener]

Now, here's my envelope.

[Kevin]

Thank you, sir. Okay.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Elizabeth Keener or another host)]

This is Crazy Lester the doorman.

[Elizabeth Keener]

Yes.

[Kevin]

Wow.

[Elizabeth Keener]

Lester knows everything that's going on in the building, I'm assuming, because we already established that. He has seen the security footage, and he knows no one came in or out. And in this episode, if you watch, do you remember, he's in a scene.

[Kevin]

Yeah, yeah. The hat.

[Elizabeth Keener]

You with the hat.

[Kevin]

Yes.

[Elizabeth Keener]

What was that about?

[Kevin]

Oh, yeah, you forgot your hat.

[Elizabeth Keener]

Where did he leave his hat?

[Kevin]

Lost your hat.

[Elizabeth Keener]

Why did he pick it up?

[Kevin]

Why did he.

[Elizabeth Keener]

And why did he bring it out then? Was he seeing them follow Mabel and trying to see what they know?

[Narrator/Host (possibly Elizabeth Keener or another host)]

So, listeners, do you have a theory about who killed Tim Kono? Let us know. Email [e-mail] thanks for listening to our

[Elizabeth Keener]

fifth episode of Only Murders in the Pod.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Elizabeth Keener or another host)]

Only Murders in the Pod is a production of Straw Hut Media. The show is hosted by Elizabeth Keener, Me and Kevin Lan, Me produced by Ryan Tillotson, Maggie Bowles, and William Sterling. Associate producer is Stephen Markley. Music by Kyle Merritt, and big, big thanks to John Hoffman, Ari Abishey, and the entire Hulu team.

[Elizabeth Keener]

See you next week again from Keener's closet.

[Kevin]

Bye.

[Temby Banks]

Actually, I'm not in the writer's room for season two because I just had a baby.

[Elizabeth Keener]

Oh, my God.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Elizabeth Keener or another host)]

News flash.

[Elizabeth Keener]

News flash. Spoiler alert.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Elizabeth Keener or another host)]

Congratulations.

[Temby Banks]

Thank you. So, yeah, he's, like, over there napping. So, yeah, I was so bummed that I couldn't come back for season two, but I'm still, like, in the loop and in touch with everyone because we're such a big family.

[Kevin]

Yeah.