S2 E3 BONUS: The Last Day of Bunny Folger - Live Reddit Talk

Summary

Only Murders in the Building Official Podcast

S2 E3 BONUS: The Last Day of Bunny Folger – Live Reddit Talk
Date: July 8, 2022
Host: Michael Cyril Creighton (Howard), Hulu
Featuring: KK, Keener, Maggie (producer), and members of the Only Murders subreddit community

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Episode Overview

This lively and witty live Reddit Talk episode serves as a bonus discussion for Season 2, Episode 3 ("The Last Day of Bunny Folger") of Only Murders in the Building. The hosts and fans join together on Reddit to process Bunny Folger’s final day, explore hidden clues, spin theories about her murder, and reflect on character depth – especially Bunny’s surprising humanity. The episode is a behind-the-scenes celebration, inviting fans to join the mystery, enjoy fun banter, and speculate wildly.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Honoring Bunny Folger

• The hosts and community pour one out for Bunny Folger, acknowledging how this episode redefined her from a gruff building villain into a more rounded, even sympathetic, character.
• "[Episode 3] really goes along. It really, really did humanize her. And I really enjoyed getting to know her." – B (02:53)
• Discussion around Bunny’s fondness for top-shelf champagne and coffee as a running gag.

2. Behind the Scenes: Writing & Acting Bunny

• Interview highlights with Ben Smith (episode writer) and Jane Howdyshell (Bunny), who also voices Mrs. Gambolini the parrot (03:19, 06:08).
• Recognition of Howdyshell’s Broadway credentials and her impact on the character’s gravitas and depth.
• Fans are encouraged to catch the podcast episode for their full interviews.

3. The "Humanizing" Mission

• Showrunner John Hoffman and writer Ben Smith made a conscious effort to challenge the audience’s perception: “She was so easy to hate... it was really important to remember that she's a real person.” – Maggie (producer) (06:19)

4. Theories, Suspects & Clues:

• The group shares and critiques popular fan theories:

Who Did It?

• KK’s guess: Ivan, the Pickle Diner waiter. “I’m not 100% convinced, but there’s things that just seem odd… Ivan would know Bunny’s daily schedule... he mentioned he took a shift off...” (09:04)
• Keener’s pick: Alice, the gallery owner (potential love interest for Mabel). Points to her connection to art, painting, and mirrors Season 1’s “love interest as killer” twist. (09:52)
• Howard as a suspect: Moves the birdcage, has a black eye (“cat issue”), always an oddball – “Howard’s always a good guess in my book.” (11:56)

The Painting & The Birdcage

• The logistics and motivations for moving Bunny’s painting and Mrs. Gambolini’s cage fuel much theorizing. Did moving the bird provide an opportunity for someone to see or steal the painting? (08:38)
• “Maybe the bird needed to get moved into the main room, so that a painting could be moved.” – E (11:09)

Anagram Clues

• Discussion about whether names or terms (Ivan, Pickle, Rose) could be anagrams or contain hidden meanings. This was teased by the writers.
  • “Ivan can be an anagram for ‘vain.’” – D (14:21)
  • Heavy mention of pickles and their labels might be a visual clue.
• Season 1’s “blame/Mabel” anagram is referenced as precedent.

Motive, Opportunity, & Method

• Theorizing about whether there are two perpetrators: one after the painting, another responsible for Bunny’s murder.
  • Different weapons (knife and knitting needle) support this.
    • “That could explain why there’s two different weapons.” – A (28:59)
    • “Maybe there is something else going on here, another layer to the mystery.” – A (30:11)

5. Emotional Resonance: Acts of Kindness & Regret

• One of the episode’s most powerful moments is recounted: Charles’ line about the inability to save Bunny’s life but the possibility to “show an act of kindness” (05:37).
  • “That one act of kindness that was ready. That was really for the audience, which I loved, because it's not trying to knock you over the head with anything...” – B (05:50)

Memorable Quote

• Bunny to Ivan: "Don't let yourself only love one thing, because when it goes away, then you got nothing." (19:46)
  • “There's so many beautiful sentences in this murder story like that. Just, you know, you just think about it… Very poignant.” – B (20:10)

6. Nina as a Suspect

• Fan question about Nina’s (the new board president) suspiciously perfect demeanor and the theory she might be faking her pregnancy as a red herring.
  • “She seems like she's not genuine at all… that could coincide with not being pregnant, but… we'll have to see about that one.” – B (25:13)
  • “There is a Reddit theory... about Nina always wearing red as the red herring.” – D (27:02)
  • Colors and costuming are possibly significant clues.

Wild Theory:

• Puzzled Exchange proposes that Nina’s baby’s father might be Tim Kono, linking seasons and loose threads with emerald and diamond ring symbolism (31:00–33:50).

7. Community Engagement:

• Fans are invited to raise questions, join theorizing, and even speculate why Bunny left her beloved parrot to Oliver instead of Uma.
  • “I just think it just to irritate him… the bird’s gonna outlive him.” – B (22:06)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On Bunny’s sendoff:
  “Here lies Bunny Folger. Pour one out…especially Folger's coffee or champagne. She’s a big champagne drinker right now.” – B (01:45)
• On character empathy:
  "You care about her. Isn’t that interesting? Even though there’s humor and everything, you just see her depth like, ah. And you feel for her." – B (04:30)
• Keener on forgiveness:
  "I just feel for them. Even if they were a complete douchebag before. Like, I just, you know, it’s just something…” – B (16:30)
• On fan speculation:
  "Howard’s always a good guess in my book, but this one's from Hannah Lemp…” – B (12:11)
• On color symbolism:
  "Colors mean something in this show. I really do." – B (27:29)

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Key Timestamps

• 00:29 – Start of group discussion; introductions and community welcome
• 02:01 – Reflections on Bunny’s “humanizing” last episode
• 03:19 – Jane Howdyshell’s (Bunny’s) background and impact
• 06:08 – Episode recap: interviews with Ben Smith, Jane Howdyshell, John Hoffman
• 08:38 – The birdcage/painting theory
• 09:04 – KK and Keener’s ‘whodunit’ suspect picks
• 11:56 – Howard theory and clues
• 12:11 – Reddit question: season 2 anagrams
• 15:56 – Group reflects on increased empathy for Bunny
• 18:39 – Ursula the Gut Milk Woman: is she hiding something?
• 19:46 – Bunny’s advice about “loving only one thing”
• 25:08 – Is Nina faking her pregnancy? “Red herring” theory
• 27:02 – Color symbolism and “red herring” motif
• 28:59 – Two attackers theory (knife & knitting needles)
• 31:00–33:50 – Theory: Tim Kono is Nina’s baby’s father; “loose threads”
• 33:50–36:00 – Closing thoughts, thanking fans, encouragement to rewatch with new insights

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Additional Insights

• The discussion is rich with humor, self-deprecation, and true-crime sleuth spirit.
• The hosts encourage the audience to keep theorizing and pay special attention to visual cues, dialogue, and, perhaps most importantly, to “acts of kindness” as thematic clues.

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For Further Participation

• Fans are urged to follow along each week, join the Reddit talk, and contribute theories, questions, and comments.
• Listeners are encouraged to revisit the series and podcast episodes for deeper understanding and Easter egg spotting.

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This episode beautifully balances playful conspiracy, genuine appreciation for character work, and the communal joy of shared mystery-solving. Perfect for fans hunting clues, savoring character moments, and wanting to feel part of the Arconia themselves.

Transcript

[A]

Hey, guys, this is kk. Good news. Every Wednesday afternoon, we're gonna have a live talk on the only murderous subreddit. If you're not yet on the subreddit, click on that link in the show notes and join us. Each week we'll dive into our latest podcast episode and discuss your latest theories and guesses. Here's the conversation from this week.

[B]

Hello again. Thank you. Hello.

[C]

Hello to you.

[D]

Thank you so much for joining us. It's so wonderful to have you both back.

[B]

Thanks.

[A]

So exciting to be back.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

To be invited back.

[B]

We had a really great time the first time, so we're excited to do some more.

[D]

Oh, good. I'm so glad to hear it. And I think we're talking about having you all back on a more frequent basis. So we're very excited to announce the community about what our next schedule is going to be looking like.

[B]

Fantastic. Fantastic. We love it. Hello, only bur people, our conacs. We're excited to have you all with us.

[D]

Oh, we're so excited to have you here. Oh, my goodness.

[B]

You know, talking about. Yeah, we'll talk spoilers and everything, but we're now up to three.

[A]

Episode three. Episode three, the Last Day of Bunny Folger.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[D]

And you know, one of the comments on the announcement post today was asking if we could have a moment of silence for Bunny.

[B]

Oh, yes. No, I actually saw that. I forgot who did that. But that was great. You know, we could have a moment of silence. And here lies Bunny Folger. Yeah.

[D]

If anyone has drinks in hand, pour one out for Bonnie Folger.

[B]

Especially Folger's coffee or champagne. She's good. She's a big champagne drinker right now.

[A]

It's gotta be top shelf, though. Top shelf.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[D]

I mean, the sub has been. I think the most surprising thing about this episode was just how humanizing it was for our dear Bunny.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. You know, when you. When you hear our. Our podcast, you're gonna love. Because we. With the writer. Right. K.K. the writer did. And he did a great job that specifically. So it was very cool. So you want to definitely tune in and listen to that.

[A]

Yes. Ben Smith is the writer of that episode and it was a great. He was a great interview.

[B]

I like.

[D]

Oh, my gosh, that is so great. You know what, I'm actually going to go ahead and link the podcast in the comments here. The podcast episode, I should say, so that people can easily find it because that is so wonderful. And to get that kind of behind the scenes. Look into this episode because I think it was a very emotional one for a lot of people. Yeah.

[B]

And it's a. I mean, it really goes along. It really, really did humanize her. And I really enjoyed getting to know her. I really did. So I'm sad that she got, you know, poked and prodded. Knives and things.

[A]

Knitting needles.

[B]

Knitting needles and things.

[D]

Yeah, I know. Who knows, there might be another prod in there that we don't even know.

[A]

Something else pointy.

[D]

Something else pointy.

[E]

That's.

[A]

And we actually got a chance to speak with Bunny herself, Jane Howdeschel. So she's also on the podcast.

[B]

Oh, I love her. Yes. Oh my gosh. Right? I know.

[A]

Yeah, that's a good episode.

[B]

You get to hear, you get to hear from her. The one who plays Bunny. The one and only.

[D]

She's amazing. There was someone that also on the episode three discussion thread was talking about her theater background.

[B]

Oh, she's been. Right now she's, she's in the Music man right now on Broadway. So she's been with Hugh Jackman. Yeah, with Hugh Jackman. And she's phenomenal. She's been. It's so interesting. I mean, you, you'll listen on the podcast, but I saw her many, many years ago and the play called well, well, and she was incredible and I just, I've loved her ever since. So she's just a, a fixture there in New York City and she's a

[A]

Tony Award winning actress.

[B]

Yes, she is. Yeah.

[D]

So incredible. I, it reminds me of like another show which I love, Gilmore Girls. And you don't appreciate it until you kind of do a little bit of sleuthing.

[B]

Right. And sleuthing is the perfect thing. Exactly. And you start to see, you go, wow, they have amazing people on this show that have such depth to them. Which is why in episode three, Bunny Folger, her last day. It really is. You care about her. Isn't that interesting? Even though there's humor and everything, you just see her depth like, ah. And you feel for her.

[A]

You really feel for her. You feel bad for her at points too. It's really kind of sad.

[B]

It's sad. It's sad that they don't, you know, I mean, everyone has seen up to episode three, I'm. I'm assuming from listening to this. Hopefully, hopefully walk away if you haven't.

[D]

Yes. Click away.

[B]

Did you come back?

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

So.

[B]

But she, you know, when she tried to befriend them later and it was just heart wrenching. They just, you know, the reason I think they just closed the door in her face is just because they didn't really believe her at. But, you know, but finally the. The boy cried wolf kind of thing. You know, it's like that. It's like you just don't believe that she cares anymore. It's just kind of too late. It's so sad. Even though they do open the door eventually. But.

[D]

Yeah, and that heartbreaking line by Charles saying, we couldn't have saved her life, but we maybe could have. I'm butchering it. Shown an act of kindness or something like that,

[B]

but they could have maybe saved her life, too. But, yes, that one act of kindness that was ready. That was really for the audience, which I loved, because it's not trying to knock you over the head with anything because it's just a show, you know, but. But it was just beautiful. Exactly. There's some. There's some great gems this season with those words. With the word. What was the last. What was 1kk before that I liked so much was the sentence, I'm gonna remember it from the last episode. Couple episodes. What was it that she said?

[E]

I'm gonna. I'm gonna hop in here, Keener, while you remember. While you're working on remembering that. Maggie here. I'm Maggie. I'm one of the producers on the show. But since we're trying to stay within a half hour, I just want to give a quick, like, recap of what's on this week's podcast episode for interested people, and then I think we should dive into, share their thoughts and ask questions. So really quickly, this week's podcast is. We talked to Ben Smith, who's the writer of the episode. He also wrote on season one. We talked to Jane Howdyshell, as they mentioned, who plays Bunny, and also voices Mrs. Gambalini. And we also had a little bit of time with John Hoffman, the showrunner. And both Ben Smith and John Hoffman talked a lot about, like, the reasons why they felt like they needed to humanize Bunny and make her a more. You know, she's so easy. She was so easy to hate. So it was really important to remember that she's a real person. So I'm glad we had that maybe that moment of silence for her. But there's a lot of really interesting things about this episode, both, like, thematically, character wise and I think also like, clue wise when it comes to solving her murder. So I think. I think it's a really great episode if any of you guys want to check it out. I think there'll be a link to it. And then Keener and kk, I think if you want to field some questions or lead some discussion, that would be really great. Right?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I'm curious to hear what people think, please.

[D]

All right, let's hop into it. Just a quick PSA for those who are maybe new to Reddit talk. Welcome. This is it. If you'd like to speak with Keena and KK and give your theories, ask questions about the pod, about the episode, hit that hand icon on the bottom of your screen and you will have a chance to come up on stage to talk live. Until then, we did have one thing in the comments as we wait for some hands to get raised. This is from Mistress Mouse Feather, and they say they have to listen later, but they wanted to bring up how at least Howard and Dr. Stanley moved the cage from Bunny's bedroom and could have seen the painting and wanted to get your thoughts on that.

[A]

That's true. Because they moved the painting from the bedroom for the retirement party, right?

[B]

That's right.

[E]

The bird.

[B]

They moved the bird.

[A]

The bird, right.

[B]

Yes, they moved the cage. And. And so.

[A]

Because it wasn't Bunny's bedroom, which we see when she gets up in the morning.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, well, should we. Should we say what our guesses were? KK 4.

[A]

Sure.

[D]

Or 3?

[B]

Do you want to go first and then. Then we can just see?

[A]

Sure. My guest for the whodunit summit was Ivan, who was the waiter at the Pickle Diner who Bunny sees every day. I'm not 100% convinced it's Ivan, but there's things that just seem odd. We know that Bunny knows the killer. I feel like Ivan would know Bunny's daily schedule since she's a regular at the diner. And something that my head is that he mentioned that he had taken his shift off the day before. So I'm like, maybe he was doing something then. Maybe he's learned about the paintings just from being around Bunny all day. Maybe he knows the arconia somehow, just, you know, from being around her. So he was my pick for this week.

[B]

Very nice.

[A]

Ivan the. Ivan the waiter.

[B]

Ivan the waiter. That's his full name on the thing. And. And I'll just say red herring, but I said for the whodunit summit, Alice, because the gallery owner. Yeah, the gallery owner. And the possible love interest of Mabel. And, you know, I think that it's just a combination. First of all, last season we had the love interest, right? Jan. Who? Jan Cuckoo. Cuckoo for Cocoa Bird. And then. And she. And I think it's Another one. Maybe another love interest is like that, you know, I'm just gonna say it. I'm. Put it out there. She's all about art, and there are, you know, paintings involved. She saw the. She knows about the. The mural. And maybe she went in there to, you know, to kind of surprise Mabel and Bunny was there. That's my guess.

[A]

That's your guess.

[B]

No. Interesting change as it does.

[A]

It will change. It will change repeatedly.

[E]

Both interesting guesses to bring it back to that. The question of the bird getting moved.

[A]

Right.

[E]

I do think that's really interesting because, you know, if the bird was in the room in the bedroom with the painting, maybe that's why the bird needed to get moved into the main room, you know, so that a painting could be moved. I don't know. That's.

[B]

No, you know, and let's put it. Let's. That's a great thought. And let's put this way. I. If I had a different guess that I could have done, you know, Howard might have. Might have been. Might have. Because that's a really. As. I thought about it, too. That's such a great thing to bring up about the painting. It really is. And, and who saw it and who might know about it. And, you know, and the bird was right there, and Mrs. Gambalini knows who killed.

[A]

And don't. Don't forget, Howard also has that black eye.

[B]

Right. And he's always making excuses about a cat issue. Right, the cat issue. He falls, he faints, he. Everything. So many different things. So Howard's always a good guess in my book, but this one's from Hannah Lemp.

[D]

In your previous episode, Noah Levine, episode one, co writer, told you to look out for some anagrams this season. You have any thoughts on what some anagrams could be? I think slash, hope, stings, Stings, rain, sticks. Maybe one.

[E]

That's interesting. Did you try any anagrams with that?

[B]

I, you know, I go to season one again.

[A]

Season one.

[E]

Keener.

[A]

Keener called that one with Mabel, right? Mabel. What was it?

[B]

Mabel. And blame.

[A]

Blame. If you rearrange Mabel.

[B]

I started thinking, and I. I thought if that's. Is that. Is he trying to move us down a road that is real or not real? Or is it. Are there anagrams or. I just keep. I keep diving deep because I just don't know if that was. You know, he says it and then you go, remember last season we had. Who was it who said. Which writer was said, you know, yeah, you got to go to Florida and then you got to multiply five.

[A]

And then it was very involved. It was a very involved clue.

[B]

It was a very involved clue.

[A]

Beyond us.

[B]

Yes, you guys. Good.

[E]

And it was totally fake.

[B]

Yes, that one was. But the anagrams, it seems like it might not be fake because it's just a great clue. And look at us now. We're trying to figure out what. I haven't seen any. You know, I thought Pickle Diner. Did that have anything.

[A]

Right? Maybe Pickle. If you rearrange pickle, does that spell something?

[B]

No.

[A]

I feel like it's got to be an unusual word or a word that's just. And like, they really went heavy on the pickles. The labels were everywhere.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It was on the jars. It was on the table. It was on the storefront outside.

[B]

Yeah. And you want.

[A]

I'm going to work on Pickle.

[B]

I'm going to work. I'm going to work on my anagrams all the way through to the next episode, and then we'll get back to you. Because I just. I'm gonna probably look at them again. I'm gonna watch them again and see if I see anything. Yeah. Because there has to be somewhere.

[D]

Ivan can be an anagram for vain.

[B]

Yeah. You know, think of that. But you go, yes. And then. Yeah. Or in.

[D]

In Avenue127 says, I thought Rose could be an anagram for erosion, which means love, desire. Oh.

[B]

Oh, wow. That's good.

[A]

That is a good one.

[B]

That's good, because that is. That's some desire. Someone I. When I was reading the comments, someone put in that that Charles's father was reading Dial M for Murder. I didn't see that. I didn't notice that in. Either in the painting or something he

[A]

was reading or maybe in the flashback with little Charles when nobody wouldn't.

[B]

Doing his. When he. Yeah, yeah. Little Charles when he.

[A]

When he was waiting outside the building on the bench. I mean,

[B]

So KK did. Would you. If you could have changed. I mean, don't. Don't say. But if you could have changed your Ivan thought, would you have said something else?

[A]

I switched from Ivan for this episode.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

No, I'm gonna. I'm gonna stick with Ivan because I think. I think he's just so outside the box that it seems suspicious to me. And who knows, we might be seeing him again.

[B]

You know what I'd love. You know what I'd love to know from somebody? Is it really. Did it change your feelings about Bunny, this episode? Did it? Or did it just. No. I mean.

[A]

Yes. Did you sympathize with her? What, did they sympathize with her? Was there something specific that happened to her in her last day that you're

[B]

like, oh, what would your. Yeah. What was your last day? No, let's not talk about that. Do you want to? Yeah. Would you have opened the door? Would you have let her in? That's always. I always wonder, would you have let her in?

[A]

Keener.

[B]

You know I'm a sucker for champagne. No, I'm a sucker for somebody who literally changes their ways in front of me kind of thing. I just. I feel. I feel for them. Even if they were a complete douchebag before. Like, I just, you know, it's just something you just, you know, I just feel for them because they. I. I would have. I would have. We would have been buddy. Buddy or bunny. Bunny.

[A]

I'm also here. Yeah.

[E]

KK do you want me to tell you why I think it can't possibly be Ivan?

[A]

Yes, I do.

[D]

Okay.

[E]

Because at the end of the episode, she opens the door and she says, what the fuck do you want? And I just don't think she would have talked to Ivan that way. I think she loved Ivan,

[A]

but maybe she only likes him at the restaurant.

[B]

I think you bombed. You lost.

[E]

I think that. I think that that shows that she knows the killer but doesn't like him.

[B]

Yeah, I think. Yes. I think that's. That's actually great because I think it's somebody who she looked down upon.

[A]

Wait, but wait, wait. Remember her best friend is Uma? And how do they say goodbye to each other?

[B]

Yeah, but she was a little hostile. She was hostile, right.

[A]

So she's hostile to everybody, though.

[B]

Yeah, but she's not. You know, even when they shot the bir to each other at the end, when they were saying their goodbyes or walking away, it didn't seem like it was more of, like, that's how they interact. But no hostility to it, I think. I think you have a good point. I think that she. It's somebody, again, who she looks down upon. I mean, it could be anybody. It could be Nina. It could be. How?

[C]

I.

[B]

It could be any of the people.

[A]

She looks down on a lot of people.

[B]

He looks. She's down on a lot of people. And. And I think that, you know, someone pointed out, you know, Gut Milk Woman. So many thoughts. There's so many different people. And I think that.

[E]

Gosh, you know, something about Ursula Gutmilk woman that I noticed is in. I think it's an episode two when they're hiding out by the dumpsters to stash the painting. They see Ursula dumping a bunch of papers into the right trash can. That felt like too coincidental, you know, that she would just be there dumping things. You know? What. What's she dumping and why.

[B]

What's she dumping and why elevator invoices.

[E]

Yeah, well, and also, obviously the elevator didn't get fixed, even though she had her sign the elevator

[C]

thing.

[E]

Because that elevator broke down the next day or whatever. The same day.

[B]

Isn't that interesting that some of the people we thought last season are, you know, around this season and they really, really could be this season. Right? It could actually be. They had enough of it and they're the killers now. Maybe not last season when Jan. But, you know, they just. After. After two. Two seasons with her, they're done with Bunny. They can't handle it anymore. So that's an interesting thing. Way to think about it, too.

[A]

I'm wondering if anyone here listening. I think you were kind of mentioning this one, Keener. It was a quote from Bunny. I'm wondering if anyone had any thoughts on it. And I'm kind of paraphrasing it, but it was something where she said to Ivan, don't let yourself only love one thing, because when it goes away, then you got nothing. And I wonder what. I wonder what people listening think about that. And what is it regarding? Is it the Iconia.

[B]

Thanks, K.K. you're my other. Thank you so much. Because that is true. That was it. I thought. There's so many beautiful sentences in this murder story like that. Just, you know, you just think about it. And I love that, too. Just very poignant.

[A]

Touched your heart.

[B]

It touched my bitter, bitter heart, yes.

[E]

Not like I see another comment from Hannah K127 that says, I can't remember if this has been discussed before, but do we know how Uma knows that the painting was in Bunny's bedroom the day before she died? Why was she in her bedroom? Do you guys have thoughts on that? KK

[A]

well, they are friends.

[B]

We know that they are friends. They could be, you know, she's. That's another one. I just. I can't imagine it's Uma. Like, I just can't imagine that.

[A]

I don't think it's Uma either, but

[B]

someone else did point out. How does she know that? But, you know, listen, somebody could have stolen the painting and it has nothing to do with the murder, you know, So I don't think Uma needs, you know, who. Who needs money? Who needed the money? Uma doesn't have Any issues like that. She could have been in there for so many different reasons. Howard. Oof. I don't know. Howard. Howard's still angry about his cat and everything else, but I. I can't. I can't think about. I don't know. I don't know. Think Uma would do it. And I think she could be in there for so many reasons and.

[A]

Well, I have a question about that. Keener.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Now, when Bunny died, she left Mrs. Gambalini to Oliver. Why would she leave it to Oliver and not Uma?

[B]

Because.

[A]

Anyone else think. Have any thoughts on that? Why would she leave it to Oliver? I love her friend Uma.

[B]

To think about that. I. I just think it just to irritate him because. Because a bird lives to be, what, between 70 and 90 years old or something, you know, and, and it just sounds like her and she doesn't think

[A]

that he'd give it away or something.

[B]

I. You know what? Well, Uma said, remember, you're going to. This is her final wishes. You're not going to take her final wishes. So. He wouldn't do that. He would not do that. He. I think that he. He's going to have to hear Mrs. Gambalini is speaking and it sounds like Bunny. It's gonna irritate him. And Bunny probably taught, you know, Mrs. Gamblini a lot of things to say negatively towards Oliver, you know, so, you know, he's just gonna have to survive that. That's what's gonna happen.

[A]

And birds live for a very long time.

[B]

Oh, yeah. The bird's gonna outlive him. Mrs. Gambalini, what does Mrs. Gamblini mean? Have you figured that out?

[A]

Maybe that's an anagram.

[B]

Yeah, maybe that's a long one. Very long one. I just. I wonder what that. I wonder what that. It's got to be mean something, right? Does anybody have a thought on that? Mrs. Gambilini?

[A]

Yeah. Will it be something that comes up on a later episode? Maybe. Maybe it's explained.

[B]

They have to explain that in some way.

[E]

I just saw somebody had their hand raised. I think I thought I invited them, but I've never done that before. I invited them to speak. Maybe it didn't do it right. So I think it was no way or something. If you. If you want to raise your. Raise your hand again. I'll. I'll try to do it right this time, but also just want to throw out there. We're gonna be. We can chat until about 5:05. So if you're feeling shy and you Want to get up here and ask a question or share a thought or something like that? Make sure you do it in the next 10 minutes, because we do have to hop off because we have an interview with a cast member at 5:15 ish that you guys actually haven't met yet, that gets introduced in episode four. So exciting.

[B]

Very exciting.

[E]

Hannah Lamp here on stage. If you want to unmute, go for it.

[B]

Hello.

[A]

Hi, Hannah.

[E]

I was wondering what you thought of Nina's character in general, and if it had. I don't know if it's been brought up already, but a lot of people discussed the possibility of her faking her pregnancy.

[B]

I don't know why she would, but

[E]

I don't know if you had any thoughts on that.

[A]

Ah, I actually kind of wondered that at the beginning, but that would be a lot of upkeep, and she'd have to have it. She'd have to have an exit strategy. Right,

[B]

Nina? I. I'm not the, you know, she's sort of that overly nice, kind of fakey nice. You know, if you just hear, hi, everyone, and, you know, all those things and just sort of. I'm not the biggest fan of Nina. I think she's just kind of. I mean, you know. But listen, newness at the Arconia. Why not?

[A]

Well, Bunny was definitely grooming her to take over her role there.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

But it seems like Nina was just kind of giving her a lip service and telling her what she wanted to hear.

[B]

Right? Yeah, she. She. Yeah, that's. That's what I'm saying. She seems like she's not genuine at all. That's what it appears to me. So, you know what, that could coincide with not being pregnant, but I don't. You know, we'll have to see about that one. But I don't. I don't know. It's a good, you know, everybody's.

[A]

I did wonder that as well.

[B]

That's interesting. You did. You did.

[A]

I did, yeah.

[B]

You sure did.

[A]

I sure did.

[B]

Great. When you met her. Yeah.

[A]

Does anyone else think Nina's faking her?

[E]

What would be the reason to fake the pregnancy? I wonder, like, what would be the. What would be the motivation? This?

[B]

I, you know, it's sympathy. So she could be the head of the Arconia. You know, who knows? She just. She seems so much. Well, if she's some sort of, you know, I. I don't know. I just. I think that she's just sort of narcissist. So maybe she wants to feel like she's pregnant. I don't know. I don't think. I think she is pregnant. I haven't had that thought. But what's interesting about this show is that they throw so many. And again, we'll throw them out. Red herrings out that you just don't question things that you wouldn't even question. Right. Because it doesn't even make any sense. What would be the point? But that's what's fun about these shows.

[A]

Well, maybe people would think that a pregnant woman wouldn't be a murderer. So it kind of deflect any attention she might get.

[B]

Right. That, you know, I guess.

[A]

Well, the pregnant woman couldn't be doing it.

[B]

I guess I'm gonna have to put a little baby bump on me.

[D]

I would say there is a Reddit theory out there too. Or comment about Nina always being. Always wearing red as the red herring.

[A]

Oh, I did not pick up on that.

[B]

I didn't pick up on that either. How fun. Okay, you know what? As it goes along, we're gonna have to ask. We're gonna ask, you know, writers, and you never know, they might be a

[A]

good question to ask.

[B]

They might give us that. They might give us that one. That's a really great one.

[D]

That's very.

[E]

That feels very on brand with the way that they write their clues in the show too. You know what I mean? Like, that checks out.

[B]

Has everyone noticed? Because that's so interesting. I'm all about colors, even in art or anything. I see. Has everyone noticed that the colors in the beginning are a little more primary? They're very deeper this season, it seems like to me the greens and the red. All those. And so. And so do the. We have Oliver, who's not so bright. Bright purple. You know, it's like a little like it's more muted and it's just. Although there's a lot of. Of those primary colors. So that's really interesting. They might have picked the red for her as the red herring. I think colors mean something in this show. I really do.

[A]

So we'll have to keep an eye out to see if she's carrying a herring fish

[B]

or a fake one.

[A]

Just like really hit it.

[B]

Knock you in the head with a red.

[A]

I'm curious if anyone else thinks Nina could be faking her pregnancy and why.

[B]

Yeah, I don't. Yeah. Because that. That would be a good question. Why. But sympathy or like you said, nobody. Yeah. A bit of a deflection.

[E]

Yeah. From Icy Red Rose. There's been a lot of talk about the person who attacked Bunny and who killed Bunny. As two different people, such as the person who attacked her wanted the painting, but the murder was unrelated. What are your thoughts on that? Any chance the murderer was actually after Mabel and it was a wrong place, wrong time situation for Bunny?

[A]

Oh, well, that could explain why there's two different weapons. The knife and the knitting needles used. If you two different people did something

[B]

kk you made a point of saying, I think that the knitting needle. It was trying to. That way it looked like it was. It was Mabel.

[A]

Mabel.

[B]

You were trying to. That which was a really good, good thought on that. Yeah, that could be. You know, she's.

[E]

What did she say?

[B]

I'm going to paraphrase or actually say what the do you are what the do you want? Or whatever.

[E]

She.

[A]

But something like that.

[B]

Yeah, but she was. They were in Mabel's place. Right. So she's there.

[A]

It could be two different people. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Somebody comes in, they have a conversation and then the other. Then somebody else that could be hiding in there. Oh, yeah.

[A]

And don't forget last season with Teddy and Theo. They had their own separate crime, which was the jewel stealing.

[B]

Yeah. So there could be two.

[A]

So they seemed like murder suspects, but they had a different crime.

[B]

Yeah. One could be the murder. That's saying one and one stole.

[A]

So maybe there is something else going on here, another layer to the mystery.

[B]

Yeah. Mrs. Gambolini knows.

[A]

This is Gamblini knows.

[B]

I still want to know who Mrs. Gambalini is. There's got to be something. If anybody. If anybody looks up that name and sees if there's anything in. Has to do with anything, you know, you know, in a play or who knows.

[A]

Not the sopranos.

[B]

No. Mrs. Gambling.

[A]

Not Gandolfini.

[B]

No. This is Gambling. Yeah. So that could be. That could be two. Two different ones. Like you said. How last season there were two different crimes going on.

[E]

I've got puzzled exchange here if you want to say what you're thinking.

[A]

Hi. Hi.

[B]

Do. No. No comment.

[C]

Oh, hey, can you get back.

[A]

Ah, there you are.

[C]

I'm sorry. It took me forever to find that. Can you hear my toddler?

[B]

Gotta guess.

[C]

What I wanted to ask you is last season when they were showing Mabel commenting that there's. There seems there are a lot of. There are a lot of loose threads or something like that.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

And so they did it again this season. So I think the writers are trying to have us tie season one to season two.

[B]

Oh, you know, that's a great point because when we talk to the writers, they are really doing that. They want to have through lines from. From last season. They talked about that. Right, K.K.

[A]

yeah. Things I will carry over for the viewers.

[C]

Yeah. So. So I. So I think I could. Like, for a lot of characters, there are a lot of ways you could tie them back in. But one of the people I was thinking about was Nina, and you guys were talking about Nina. So I was thinking that, you know how there was an emerald ring and then there was a diamond ring?

[A]

Right.

[C]

Okay. So they found the emerald ring. And the emerald ring seems like it was what Tim needed to be able to have his evidence.

[B]

Right.

[C]

To be able to solve what he was trying to solve. And then it's. And at the very beginning of the. At the very beginning of the season, Tim is in the elevator and he's desperately trying to get the diamond ring. And he's all dressed up, but he's been fired, so. But he's all dressed up, so where is he going? So I was thinking that he was going to propose to someone and that's why Dump Jan. So he wanted this diamond. So he wanted this diamond ring. And he wasn't with that person. The same way, you know how he pushed Mabel away because he wanted to protect her. Yeah. Okay. So he wasn't. So now he saw the case and he wants to be with this person. And I think the person was Nina,

[E]

and I think the.

[C]

Tim Kono is Nina's baby's father.

[A]

Oh,

[B]

that was a loose thread, but

[C]

it doesn't tie into the painting.

[B]

Yeah. But you know what?

[E]

Very interesting theory, though. Very interesting.

[B]

Really thought. Thought out. And it's. It's interesting because you want to. They're bringing so many people back or they, like you said, loose threads and things. So Tim Kono could be brought up in this one. We don't know. You know, there's so many more episodes to go and.

[D]

And.

[B]

Right. Where did Nina come from? Where did Nina come from?

[A]

Yeah. Because she wasn'. One.

[B]

Yeah. So we had to find that out because now she's going to take over the Arconia.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

And she's a hedge fund manager, so. And then he was. He was something in finance, so I think like he was like some. An investment banker or something. So that's something else they would have had in common.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. They. They crossed paths and we're going to find out how they did and. And what?

[A]

Baby Kono, maybe.

[B]

Baby Kono. That's great. Thank you. That was really.

[A]

Yeah. Thank you.

[C]

You're welcome.

[B]

Than.

[C]

Now I know how to mute.

[B]

We're all learning.

[A]

We're all learning.

[E]

Do we have any, any closing thoughts before we sign off to go do our our interview?

[B]

Yeah. Make sure you, after you watch, you just listen to if you, if you want to watch again after you our podcast. It's kind of fun to listen to our podcast and then watch it again that episode because it's kind of cool to hear what writers or actors or anyone is saying about it and then, and then going, oh, yeah, I missed that. So cool.

[A]

And maybe we ask a question that you wanted to ask.

[B]

Right, right. That's true. And so just always know when we're on here. We're excited to talk to you and that, you know, we might carry it over to the next to the next episode. You never know what you give us. So thank you so much, guys.

[A]

Thanks guys.

[E]

Yeah. And also if you want to put any questions or comments in the comment thread, we'll try to keep, we'll try to keep an eye on it and respond to as many as as we can. And we do have some other theories that we bring up usually in, in each episode. So.

[A]

And we always ask for clues from the writers and cast. Yeah.

[B]

And they give us, they give us some good thoughts. They really do so. And some back history and things like that, which is so cool. So thank you. And keep listening, Keep watching.

[A]

Yes, please do.

[D]

All right, another very fun Reddit talk with you all. Thank you so much for coming through and we will hopefully see you back here soon and hopefully have more theories and clues to share. Until then, listening, keep watching and hopefully email at only murdersraw hut media.com as well.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Perfection. And we're signing off with a murder. Exactly.

[E]

Thank you so much.

[D]

Have a great.

[B]

Thank you.

[E]

Bye.

[B]

Bye, guys. Bye.