S5 E10: The House Always...

Summary

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Only Murders in the Building Official Podcast

S5 E10: The House Always...

Release Date: October 28, 2025
Host: Michael Cyril Creighton

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Episode Overview

In this lively season finale podcast, host Michael Cyril Creighton (Howard on the show) takes listeners behind the scenes of Only Murders in the Building Season 5, Episode 10, “The House Always...”. He’s joined by the main trio (Steve Martin, Martin Short, Selena Gomez), the killer of the season (Keegan-Michael Key), the victim Lester (Teddy Kaluca), Thea actress Beanie Feldstein, David Patrick Kelly (Trashman Miller), and showrunner John Hoffman. The episode unpacks the surprising murder mystery reveal, celebrates standout comedic and emotional moments, and offers hilarious and heartfelt anecdotes from the cast and crew—all in the warm, irreverent tone fans expect.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Recap and Murder Reveal

• [01:15 - 01:49] Michael Cyril Creighton offers a swift, spoiler-filled recap:
  • The trio lures the corrupt billionaires and confronts Mayor Tillman, who’s revealed to have a fake finger.
  • Flashbacks show the mayor’s affair, Nikki’s grisly fate, and Lester’s accidental involvement.
  • The mayor is exposed and apprehended at Thea’s underground casino concert.
  • A three-month time jump sets up next season’s mystery with the sudden collapse of Cinda Canning in the Arconia lobby.

    “Mayor Tillman is a murderer.” – Steve Martin [01:49]

2. The Cast’s Approaches to the Mystery

• [02:22 - 03:25]
  • Selena Gomez discusses her “no spoilers” method, waiting till episode seven to learn the culprit:

    “I don’t ever know who actually did the crime until seventh episode...I do like to figure it out with the audience.” [02:29]

  • Steve Martin prefers not to ask and “finds out through osmosis.”
  • Martin Short jokes that though he learns the killer early, he forgets soon after.

    “I found out early, but I don’t retain things anymore, so I forgot.” – Martin Short [03:21]

3. Charles’s ‘Testosterone’ Subplot

• [03:25 - 04:23]
  • Discussion on Charles (Steve Martin) being in a placebo group all season, playing up the “power of the placebo” for comedic effect:

    “It’s sort of like the Wizard of Oz: Well, you did all those things anyway, without the magic.” – Steve Martin [04:07]

  • Playful asides from Keegan-Michael Key and Teddy Kaluca pepper the segment.

4. On-set Camaraderie & Thea’s Performance

• [04:43 - 05:38]
  • Beanie Feldstein’s musical performance as Thea gets praised for its comic timing and chemistry.
  • Selena Gomez reflects on acting alongside Beanie and the sheer fun of the scene.

    “I don’t think I could keep a straight face while she was doing the routine on top of the table.” – Selena Gomez [05:20]

5. Oliver’s (Martin Short) Evolution

• [05:38 - 06:27]
  • The podcast dives into Oliver’s struggle with narcissism.

    “Once you become in a partnership, I think the partner can help you aspire to something you might maybe would like to change about yourself.” – Martin Short [06:12]

6. Keegan-Michael Key – From Red Herring to Real Killer

• [07:03 - 14:20]
  • The killer, Keegan-Michael Key, reflects on keeping the secret, being misdirected by the presence of Christoph Waltz, and learning about his own character’s layers only at the last minute.

    “There’s no way anybody was thinking I was the killer... I just love the fact that I was put into a position to be a victim.” – Keegan-Michael Key [07:22]

  • Importance of the “fake finger” as a MacGuffin:

    “It's so interesting that this appendage is the most important thing in the story.” – Keegan-Michael Key [10:52]

  • Description of filming the tense and emotional scene with Lester:

    “There’s so much weight to someone like Lester dying. Like you said, he was defending the building. He’s a symbol of the building.” [13:34]

  • The ruthless motive:

    “The most evil thing is that it’s all about greed and power.” – Keegan-Michael Key [14:10]

  • On keeping the secret from everyone except his wife (his creative partner and acting coach).

7. Fun On-Set Anecdotes & Cast Chemistry

• [15:53 - 18:41]
  • Key enjoys seeing the mirror between show friendships (Charles/Oliver) and real-life friendships (Steve/Marty).
  • Observations on Selena Gomez’s tech tutorials for Martin Short behind the scenes spark laughter:

    “Like her explaining something to him… how to post a story or something like that... It was so fun.” – Keegan-Michael Key [17:18]

  • Praise for the green room’s atmosphere and affectionate callouts for Diane Wiest, Renee Zellweger, and others.

8. The Victim’s Perspective: Teddy Kaluca on Lester

• [20:02 - 24:32]
  • Teddy Kaluca describes the complexity of Lester’s accidental killing of Nikki and subsequent murder by the mayor.
  • Deep trust in the trio, both in-world and as a fan:

    “Do you think Lester knew the trio could solve his murder? Absolutely… I listen to [the podcast] with my wife...” – Teddy Kaluca [21:09]

9. Beanie Feldstein (Thea) – From Distraction to Hero

• [24:46 - 29:36]
  • Talks about not knowing her full arc until the finale, the joy of performing “Wish You Were Me” on a roulette table, and the bond she formed with Renee Zellweger during filming.

    “I just get to be next to Renee... We just kept doing all this silly shtick together. It was so fun.” – Beanie Feldstein [27:51]

  • On being a red herring:

    “I knew Thea was just there for, like, deep emotional vibes... my hands were clean, baby. They were just nail art.” – Beanie Feldstein [28:53]

10. David Patrick Kelly – Trashman Miller’s Unexpected Heroics

• [30:12 - 34:24]
  • Kelly relishes his role in the climax, loving the “trash never sleeps” mantra and explaining the hidden meaning of “mango” among NYC sanitation workers:

    “I like to say trash never sleeps, Michael. Trash never sleeps. And exposing the corruptos is always valuable.” – David Patrick Kelly [31:14]

11. Showrunner John Hoffman on Building the Finale

• [35:45 - 42:25]
  • Shares about writing and constructing the web of motivations, keeping the cast in suspense, and layering politics and romance into the finale.

    “Making a complicated mayor story was not that hard in New York City, turns out.” – John Hoffman [37:21]

  • Addresses the Season 6 cliffhanger — Cinda Canning’s death, potential for new origins, and the enduring appeal of cozy mysteries.

    “It might take us to a place where...a cozy murder mystery and a style and tone around telling these stories first was born.” – John Hoffman [41:12]

  • Appreciation for ensemble contributions and the broader “found family” theme.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Selena Gomez on discovering the killer:

  “I do like to figure it out with the audience in a way.” [02:36]

• Steve Martin on acting the placebo twist:

  “It’s sort of like the Wizard of Oz... you did all those things anyway, without the magic.” [04:07]

• Keegan-Michael Key on being kept in the dark:

  “This feels like it’s John’s M.O. to keep everybody in the dark as long as he can. So then even you, the performer, have plausible deniability.” [09:23]

• Beanie Feldstein on her character’s role in the finale:

  “To use her obnoxiousness for good and sort of be like, you need a distraction. I am a distraction.” [26:24]

• David Patrick Kelly celebrates his sanitation hero:

  “I like to say trash never sleeps, Michael. Trash never sleeps. And exposing the corruptos is always valuable.” [31:14]

• John Hoffman on plotting a corrupt mayor:

  “Making a complicated mayor story was not that hard in New York City, turns out.” [37:21]

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Key Timestamps for Reference

| Timestamp | Segment | |-----------|----------------------------------------------------| | 01:13 | Quick episode recap (finale plot summary) | | 02:22 | Main cast on being in the dark, finding out the killer | | 03:25 | Charles’s Testosterone Placebo arc | | 04:52 | Thea’s performance and Beanie Feldstein’s process | | 05:38 | Oliver’s “narcissism” and character growth | | 07:03 | Keegan-Michael Key: on being the killer | | 10:52 | The “finger” as a MacGuffin | | 13:34 | Emotional impact of Lester’s death | | 15:53 | On-set chemistry and wrap party | | 20:02 | Teddy Kaluca (Lester): perspective and emotion | | 24:46 | Beanie Feldstein: Musical number/finale antics | | 30:12 | David Patrick Kelly: Trashman Miller’s big moment | | 35:45 | Showrunner John Hoffman: behind the finale | | 39:34 | Season 6 tease and new mystery setup |

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Tone & Final Thoughts

Blending zany humor, heartfelt gratitude, and genuine love for the series, the episode closes with a group sense of accomplishment and camaraderie. The cast and crew cherish both the process and their audience, and the joy of storytelling remains central — with plenty of teases for Season 6’s bigger mysteries and character journeys.

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This podcast episode captures the infectious, communal spirit of Only Murders in the Building, offering both closure and new curiosities for fans of TV mysteries and ensemble comedy.

Transcript

[Selena Gomez]

I don't ever know who actually did the crime until seventh episode.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

So in this episode we learn.

[Martin Short]

I guess you're not interested in whether I knew.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Oh, hello and welcome to Hulu's Only Murders in the Building official podcast. I'm your host, Michael Cyril Creighton. I play your favorite trio's fourth wheel, the man who has, against all odds, survived five seasons of this show, Howard Morris. Well, today's episode is all about the finale. Episode 10, now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney. Today is a huge episode because we know who killed Lester and it wasn't me, thank God. We will talk to our trio, Lester himself, Teddy Kaluca, actress Beanie Feldstein, David Patrick Kelly, who plays Trashman Miller, co creator, showrunner John Hoffman, and the murderer. Woo. What a show. But first, a quick recap of episode 10. So if you haven't watched stop right now. Definitely watch first. Come back after you've seen it and I will be here waiting for you with open arms.

[Beanie Feldstein]

Sayonara, Arconia.

[Steve Martin]

Sayonara, Arconia.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

The trio lures the billionaires into the casino and learns they all have their fingers. Then Mayor Tillman arrives. Mabel reveals that his finger is fake.

[Keegan Michael Key]

I suppose I should say.

[Teddy Kaluca]

Ow.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Flashbacks reveal it all. The mayor was having an affair with Sophia. Nikki chopped off his finger. Lester intervened and accidentally killed Nikki. The mayor then shoved Lester into the fountain. But the mayor ties up the trio, hoping they'll go down with the building. Charles picks a lock, freeing them. Thea performs a concert as the trio busts in, exposing the mayor.

[Steve Martin]

Mayor Tillman is a murderer.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Three months later, a red headed woman collapses dead just inside the Arconia. It's our old frenemy, Cinda Canning. It only seems right that we end our season talking to our heroes, Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez. Not only did they solve another murder, they saved our building. Thank you, you three. Welcome back. Did you miss me?

[Teddy Kaluca]

I did.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Terribly. This was our fifth finale and I really think it all came together quite nicely.

[Keegan Michael Key]

Yes.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

I'm curious how you felt when you saw how all the puzzle pieces came together. Because, Selena, I know that you don't like to know too much ahead of time. Right?

[Selena Gomez]

I don't ever know who actually did the crime until seventh episode.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Right.

[Selena Gomez]

Most of the time it's just because I should read the script some more. But it's also just that it makes it fun for me to also have that excitement. And I do like to figure it out with the audience in a way. But when I watch an episode, I Get so excited to see how it's woven together. Our incredible team. It's just. We're really lucky.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Steve, do you know from the beginning.

[Steve Martin]

Because you're involved in the room somewhat, I don't ask a lot, like, who did it? I usually find out through osmosis. Like this season, I didn't really know. I didn't really inquire until episode six, because I like to see the machinations that the writers are dreaming up.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

So in this episode, we learn.

[Martin Short]

I guess you're not interested in whether I knew.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Well, I am actually interested.

[Martin Short]

I found out early, but I don't retain things anymore, so I forgot.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

In this episode, we find out that Charles was not on testosterone the whole season, that it was a placebo. But it was very convincing. And I was wondering how you made that so convincing, the sort of new potent side of Charles.

[Steve Martin]

Well, there's. It's the power of the placebo. I thought it was, you know, very funny that Charles takes. Believes he is taking testosterone in a group. And so you see him behave more macho and more, you know, sexualized a little bit, a little stronger.

[Keegan Michael Key]

I'm taking testosterone.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

What?

[Teddy Kaluca]

I am really fighting the urge to.

[Keegan Michael Key]

Pick you up right now.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Oh, please don't. Coming at ya.

[Keegan Michael Key]

No, no, no, no.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Charles, please put me down.

[Keegan Michael Key]

Charles, don't.

[John Hoffman]

Charles.

[Steve Martin]

And then he discovers he was in the placebo group, and then, you know, the story is. But it's sort of like the wizard of Oz. Well, you did all those things anyway, without the magic and. Is that the wizard of Oz I'm thinking of?

[Keegan Michael Key]

Yes, yes.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

That's Virginia Woolf.

[Steve Martin]

Yeah, Virginia Woolf. And so, you know, there's a little sort of fantasy tale in that, but I didn't have to do much. You know, you kind of figure it out as an actor.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

I actually have a very high testosterone level. My doctor did a test.

[Martin Short]

Is that true?

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Is that surprising to you? It is.

[Keegan Michael Key]

It's startling.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

It might be why I sweat so much.

[Martin Short]

Yeah.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Selina. The trio gets a little help from their friends in this episode. And one of your friends, Thea, does an impromptu concert down in the gaming parlor as a distraction, which is fantastic.

[Selena Gomez]

Yes.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

What was it like for you, acting opposite a pop star?

[Selena Gomez]

It was really fun because I've actually worked with Beanie and Neighbors, too. And then to see her and where she's evolved and how she's become this incredible actress and so multifaceted. So it was just a joy.

[Beanie Feldstein]

Oh, my God. This is so embarrassing. Stop playing my song. You can't. Cute little Robot.

[Selena Gomez]

I don't think I could keep a straight face while she was doing the routine on top of the table.

[Steve Martin]

I think she was terrific.

[Martin Short]

I thought she was fantastic in every scene. So funny.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Still have the song in my head.

[Martin Short]

And perfect character acting because she never was trying to be funny. She was just so into the character that it was hilarious.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yeah, she's awesome, Marty. We had talked about, like, how Mabel is of the age where she can change. She's in her 30s, and Charles and Oliver are older. They're not really at a place where they change. But this season, Oliver is really facing his narcissism. Right. He's trying to get past it.

[Steve Martin]

Did you say Oliver or Marty?

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Oliver.

[Steve Martin]

What happened to you?

[Martin Short]

Well, I thought about what you said to me the other day when you complimented me.

[Teddy Kaluca]

What did you call me?

[Steve Martin]

Self centered narcissist.

[Martin Short]

Yes, that was it.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Oliver's trying to get past that and sort of move forward and change a bit. Do you think he's capable of change? Do you think he's going to find generosity of spirit?

[Martin Short]

I think through his marriage, that would help. You know, once you become in a partnership, I think the partner can help you aspire to something you might maybe would like to change about yourself.

[David Patrick Kelly]

Yeah.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

I'm excited to see generous Oliver.

[Teddy Kaluca]

Yeah.

[Steve Martin]

I never think of Oliver as narcissistic. I think of him as preoccupied with his work, and then he does have generous quality. Anyway, enough about me.

[Martin Short]

Let me ask you something just before we end.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yes.

[Martin Short]

You're doing this podcast.

[John Hoffman]

How do you feel you're doing?

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

You're doing all right? I think I'm doing it. I think you're doing terrific. I mean, I like having you three here. It's very comfortable.

[Martin Short]

I think you're doing.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

I think I make people comfortable. Yeah, you do.

[Teddy Kaluca]

Yeah.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

I am excited to see what our next investigation brings, and thank you so much for an incredible season.

[Steve Martin]

Thank you.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

We'll see you next time. All right, Stay safe.

[Keegan Michael Key]

So, yeah, I killed Lester.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

What? Jackpot. Bingo.

[Martin Short]

Uno.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

He's been here before. And now he's back once again, hiding safely on the other side of a screen. It all makes sense. Sense now. It is our killer. Keegan Michael Key.

[Keegan Michael Key]

Yes. Everything has been revealed. Thank you for having me back, Michael. Well, well, well. You are not. No one was expecting that. You know what? What a favor John Hoffman did for me by putting Christoph Waltz in this show. Because there's no way anybody was thinking I was the killer. I just love the fact that I was put into a position to be a Victim.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

I know. Yeah.

[Keegan Michael Key]

You know, he doesn't have a finger and his finger got chopped.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Oh, my God. What.

[Keegan Michael Key]

What's happened? And then after that scene's over and you discovered that I then did this to. I just. It's just a great reveal.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

It really is. And, like, I actually am a little mad at myself for being surprised because, like, you're a politician, a corrupt politician who's a little bit dangerous doing really stuff. Of course it's him.

[Keegan Michael Key]

It's funny this season. I mean, it's every season, but I did feel very much so in this season that a lot of dominoes tumbled at the end.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yeah, big time. A lot.

[Keegan Michael Key]

I mean, we learned a lot of stuff at the end about a lot of people. I was extremely satisfied with it. And by the way, I found out. I found out I was the killer before I knew so many other aspects of my character. I didn't know I was in cahoots with the billionaires. I didn't know that I had had an affair with Taya's character.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

With Sophia.

[Keegan Michael Key]

There were so many things I didn't know. I was playing so much catch up on the day that we filmed in the restaurant where I come across Charles and Sophia at dinner and all of.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Sophia at the Hibachi place. Yeah, yeah.

[Keegan Michael Key]

Yes. There were so many things revealed to me on that day. I was like, I'm sorry, what? We're having an affair.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

What's happening? At what point did they tell you you were the killer? Like, how early on did you know that?

[Keegan Michael Key]

To be honest with you, I knew nothing about the killing until the day. The evening before I shot the scene with Teddy.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Really?

[Keegan Michael Key]

I did not know.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yeah.

[Keegan Michael Key]

I mean, John. I mean, I think. I think this feels like. It feels. This is my theory. It feels like it's John's M.O. to keep everybody in the dark as long as he can. So then even you, the performer, have plausible deniability.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Right. So you don't tip your hat all the time and you don't like.

[Keegan Michael Key]

Yeah, yeah. The only thing that. The only red herring. No, no, it's not a red herring. It was a clue for me as a performer is that John constantly was reminding me, and this is a good thing. He always goes, I'm so sorry I have to do this, but he was constantly reminding me to be conscious of this finger. He goes, be conscious that you're of your finger, please. And that was on the first day. I was like, what about my finger? He goes, just make sure you don't bend your finger. And Even then, I didn't know exactly what was going on.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

What a crazy note. Just make sure not to bend your finger. All I would think about is my finger.

[Keegan Michael Key]

That's all I would think about. He was like, I'm so sorry. Cause now all you think about is your finger. And I went, no, I'm good. It's a fun acting exercise, right? To be conscious of this physical quality while you're like.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Someone in college was like, don't move your eyebrows. I was like, impossible.

[Keegan Michael Key]

Don't put your hand in those pockets.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Well, I'm going to. I am. That's. My whole acting career is based on eyebrows and hand in pockets.

[Keegan Michael Key]

Eyebrows and hands in pockets.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yeah. What does it feel like for everybody to be fighting over your finger? I mean, everybody wants that finger.

[Keegan Michael Key]

I feel. I felt very privileged, you know, that I had a very valuable digit.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yes, absolutely.

[Keegan Michael Key]

But it was very. I mean, it's so interesting that you go that some. That this appendage is like, the most important thing in the story. It was a real. I thought a very fascinating MacGuffin to use for this story.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yeah. Yeah. And it's sort of like I was talking to Jane lynch for one of these things, and they're like, you know, when you're killed, you know, you're always gonna be talked about. So even when you're not there, you're being talked about. In a way, the whole season started with you. Cause it's your finger in that shrimp. And your finger drives us through the end of the season.

[Keegan Michael Key]

It was fun because they weren't talking about my character posthumously. They were talking about a part of my body posthumously.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yes.

[Keegan Michael Key]

It was simply a part of Bo Tillman that was being spoken about throughout the entire season. Yeah.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

I can see there being like, finger merch this season. Like little fingers on a chain. When I watched the scene of you chasing Lester through the lobby and into the courtyard, it really got me choked up. We all love Teddy. Lester's been part of the building from the beginning. We learned so much more about him this season. And he really is such a human now. Like, there's just so much humanity to him.

[Keegan Michael Key]

I agree, Michael. We got to learn all of these dimensions of Lester's life. It was really, really lovely. Yeah.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

And you kill him. You kill him.

[Keegan Michael Key]

Which is great because I only have to do half the work to be ruthless.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yeah, but it is really ruthless. It is scary.

[Keegan Michael Key]

The history of this character on the show does half the work.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yeah. It's just like there's something about the way he is so earnestly and fervently defending the honor of the building. So in a way, you're trying to kill our building. It just really got me. It got me watching it. It was really effective. And you are so good at the switch because, I mean, especially like when we're down and you get caught. When you're down in the gaming room, you get caught and you're trying to get out of it and you're doing some politician speak, and then you quickly run.

[Keegan Michael Key]

I just take off.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

And then you run after Lester and you're like, there's a point. Which is such a. I thought it was such a great, great writing, but also great. You are talking, trying to get the finger from him. And you're like, my dad was a cab driver. You know, it's such a politician thing to do is try to appeal to him that way. Through your working class roots and whatnot.

[Keegan Michael Key]

I identify with you.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yeah.

[Keegan Michael Key]

It might be said. Yeah.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yeah. And when he resisted, boom. You got so dark and it was so good.

[Keegan Michael Key]

Oh, that's very sweet, Michael.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

I appreciate it.

[Keegan Michael Key]

Thank you.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yeah. But does it feel. Is it a little scary to kill one of our fan favorites?

[Keegan Michael Key]

I mean, it was. I have to tell you, when I was actually reading the scripts and the reveal was revealed, when the reveal was revealed to me, I got goosebumps. It's really great. Cause it is. There's so much weight to someone like Lester dying. Like you said, he was defending the building. He's a symbol of the building.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yeah. Really?

[Keegan Michael Key]

I was well put, Michael, to say that in a manner speaking on killing a way of life, or he's trying to kill a way of life and for avarice.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yeah.

[Keegan Michael Key]

He's killing a way of life simply for avarice.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yeah.

[Keegan Michael Key]

And. And that's what makes. That's the most ruthless thing, the most evil thing, is that it's just simply all about greed and power. Yeah.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

100%. Was it hard to keep this a secret? I mean, once you knew what was up, once you knew how involved you were in the season, did you tell. Did you tell your wife?

[John Hoffman]

Yes.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

That's a rule we have in my family is if you're killed or the killer, you have to tell your spouse.

[Keegan Michael Key]

You gotta have to tell your spouse or your partner. My wife and I also, you know, we work together creatively so often, and my wife's been in this business for a very long time. She is my partner. She's my business partner. She's also, by the way, she's my acting coach. So she so she helps me. You know, she helps go, what about this?

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Or there.

[Keegan Michael Key]

This idea. She always helps give me another perspective or another choice. Like, sometimes, you know, sometimes you make this choice. You're like, I don't want to make the first choice. I want to make the third choice. But she'll always have, like, a fourth choice. And I'll go, oh, that's interesting. Yeah, let me try that on the day. You know, and so she knew. But then it's interesting, Michael. I kind of look at almost everything like an acting exercise. So once you have a secret. So something else I learned from my. From my partner is she said, have a secret. Sometimes it gives you more layers, like, have a secret. But I had a real secret in real life. Right. You know, and so people. And the weird. And the thing is. Oh, you want to say something? Because when you bump into somebody on the street.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yeah.

[Keegan Michael Key]

Or a family friend, and they go, oh, I love that show.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yeah.

[Keegan Michael Key]

And you go, oh, you're gonna.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Oh, you're gonna love it. Do you have any favorite memories from set, either on set or off set this season?

[Keegan Michael Key]

I think one of my favorite things that I discovered on set is how the dynamic between Oliver and Charles is so similar to the dynamic between Marty and Steve.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Oh, my God, yes.

[Keegan Michael Key]

You know, and that's something that really, I really enjoyed. I really enjoyed watching them play off of each other in real life and play off of each other in the show.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yeah.

[Keegan Michael Key]

And, and, and, and, and it's. It's fascinating because they're so close in real life. And, and there's. There's a little more distance between Charles and Oliver. They're not best friends.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Right.

[Keegan Michael Key]

It's that. It's.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

It's.

[Keegan Michael Key]

They have a common interest that brings them together.

[David Patrick Kelly]

Yeah.

[Keegan Michael Key]

Whereas I think Steve and Marty have several common interests that bring them together.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Keegan Michael Key]

One specific thing is I loved. I love that we had the wrap party on the set in the casino.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

It was fantastic. It was a really good wrap party. It was a really good wrap party. And it's funny that you said the thing about watching Stephen, Marty off screen. Also, Selina's relationship to the two of them mirrors her relationship with them on the show.

[Steve Martin]

This is a me question.

[Selena Gomez]

Oh, Charles, what did we say about the word lover?

[Steve Martin]

That I'm never to use it regarding myself.

[Beanie Feldstein]

Thank you.

[Keegan Michael Key]

I mean, I think there was one time I wish I could specifically remember what Selina was trying to show Marty, but I remember her showing him the phone. It's one of these deals where he's like, no, no, no, no.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

You get.

[Keegan Michael Key]

Yeah, because that's the feat. You're reading it.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yeah.

[Keegan Michael Key]

Like, her explaining something to him, like.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

How to post a story or something like that. Turn your phone this way. Turn your phone.

[Keegan Michael Key]

That's a real. That's a real. You don't want to do the real. You want it to be on stories. Yeah, it was so.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yeah.

[Keegan Michael Key]

I mean, there were so many moments that they're kind of blending together into this vibe, this wonderful, warm, fun vibe.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

It is great. Like, a few people. Jess Rosenthal, who's been our executive producer from the be and been there every day for every season.

[Keegan Michael Key]

Love, Jo.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

His favorite thing was. One of his favorite things is she said simply, just the green room. Just being in the green room with everybody, the different people that come in and out of that room there is like, we're on a show that's such a joy to be on. The material's so good, the characters are so fun, but all the other stuff is, like, beyond. It makes it so special.

[Keegan Michael Key]

Yeah. It's such a lovely vibe. And, I mean, I remember I did the first day, like, meeting. I got to meet Diane Wiest, and I was just like, you're Diane Wiest.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

And she.

[Keegan Michael Key]

And then she was sweet.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

So.

[Keegan Michael Key]

She was sweet. And Renee Zellweger is sweet.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Right.

[Keegan Michael Key]

And Logan Lerman. I just wanted to hug the kid. Everybody that you brought, everybody that came in, they serve. We all serve our. I know it's utilitarian. We all serve our purpose in regard to telling the story.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yeah.

[Keegan Michael Key]

But everybody's was also so darn lovely. Yeah, it was great.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

It's the best. So, Keegan Michael Key, you have now joined the Only Murders in the Building Murderer hall of Fame, along with Jan and Poppy and Donna and Cliff and Marshall P. Pope. Do you have any last words?

[Keegan Michael Key]

I hope that in season six that either the mayor is given a reprieve or can offer some kind of guidance from behind bars. I'm simply, simply throwing that out there. Do with that what he will.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

I hope for that, too. I always hope for, like, a women in prison episode, but also with you and Cliff DiMeo and you and Cliff DiMeo, you're all in some sort of white collar prison. And we get an episode.

[Keegan Michael Key]

We're all in group therapy together.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Exactly.

[Keegan Michael Key]

But for some reason, there's two prisons across the street from each other, but they do the group therapy in the little building in the middle.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

That's a great idea. We're gonna pitch it to John Hoffman. We're so lucky that you were part of the show this season. You were such a good killer. You really had me fooled.

[Keegan Michael Key]

I lucky. I was lucky. I was so fortunate. What a lovely experience.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

You were so great. Thank you for doing this. And I can't wait to see you again.

[Keegan Michael Key]

Me too. I know. Hopefully very soon.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yes. Thank you so much.

[Keegan Michael Key]

You too, mate. Take care.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Bye. Bye. Bye.

[Beanie Feldstein]

Oh.

[Unknown/Unidentified]

Oh, shit.

[Teddy Kaluca]

What do you think you're doing? What I should have done long ago. Stand up to you.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Put an end to all this now. It wouldn't be a season finale without a word from our victim. So we welcome back Teddy Kaluca.

[Teddy Kaluca]

Hello, Michael.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Hello, Teddy. Vengeance for Lester. What did you think when you found out how Lester died and how it all played out?

[Teddy Kaluca]

I was very surprised. How Lester dies. I really thought how everything worked out was just wonderful the way it was written. Because we must have thought originally that Lester was killed in his skirmish with Nikki.

[Keegan Michael Key]

Yeah.

[Teddy Kaluca]

But we learned then, no, Lester wasn't killed then. Lester was able to move on from there.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yeah. And Lester is also a killer.

[Teddy Kaluca]

Lester's a killer, but he didn't mean to kill anyone.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

It's an accident. He's an accidental killer.

[Teddy Kaluca]

It was an accident.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yeah, no big deal.

[Teddy Kaluca]

He didn't pick up that cleaver.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

No. No.

[Teddy Kaluca]

I mean, he took it away, but he didn't pick it up.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yeah. Yeah. Do you think Lester has faith in the trio? Do you think Lester knew the trio could solve his murder?

[Teddy Kaluca]

Absolutely, because he. I do say. I say it to my killer. My friends are gonna catch you.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Come on. Do the right thing.

[Keegan Michael Key]

Give me that pointer.

[Teddy Kaluca]

My friends are gonna cat. And that's who I'm talking about. I'm a fan of their podcasts also. I listen to it with my wife and. No, Lester loves these people.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

He loves these people, and he does such a great job of. Because he listens to the podcast and because he knows the trio so well. He plants the seeds so well. The finger, the text message. He gives them the clues. So even though he's gone, they can avenge him. You know, I think that's pretty great.

[Teddy Kaluca]

No, I do, too. Yeah.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

There's a pretty intense scene with you and Keegan, right? The mayor.

[Teddy Kaluca]

Absolutely. Yeah.

[David Patrick Kelly]

Yeah.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

What was it like to film that?

[Teddy Kaluca]

It was kind of tough because I'm running away from him. And there was a lot of little. Little tidbits within that that we had to make sure we hit. Like there's a camera in the tree. I have this little bird call whistle.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yeah.

[Teddy Kaluca]

Which triggers the camera. So, yeah, it was intense. I Mean, it was physical. It was probably the most physical thing I've ever done.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yeah, you must have been pretty exhausted.

[Teddy Kaluca]

I was exhausted. I was. And I was in pain for a day or two because, really, I mean, I was using muscles that I haven't used in many years. I mean, you know, running and crawling and this and that and. Thank God for stunt guys. We'll say that again.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

I know. Thank God for stunt guys. That's the whole premise of season four.

[Teddy Kaluca]

Right, Right.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Thank God for stunt people. Tell me a little bit about working with Bobby Cannavale.

[Teddy Kaluca]

I always loved Bobby as an actor, and I didn't know him. And we actually grew up in New Jersey. Like, our high schools were rivals, but he was younger than me, and of course I didn't know him. But working with Bobby was like. It was. First of all, I spent my first 13 years in Brooklyn in a neighborhood where there were a lot of Bobby's. And Bobby just nails those guys. He just nails them. And just the scenes working with Bobby and that final scene when he ends up on top of me, and he's literally laying on top of me, but he's also whispering in my ear, you okay? You okay? So. But it was. I just was thrilled with working with Bobby because Bobby is the one person who I really spent a lot of time with this season.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yeah.

[Teddy Kaluca]

I mean, and it was. It was a thrill. And I must have to say, I have to say this, too, that when I met Renee. Renee.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Oh, my God. The nicest.

[Teddy Kaluca]

The nicest. But she said to me. She said to me, you're the hero this season. Which I realized, I said, she's right. I am the hero this season. And it never dawned on me. And you're right. She's very sweet.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yeah. And she's right. You are the hero.

[Teddy Kaluca]

Great.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Thank you so much for being here, Teddy.

[Teddy Kaluca]

Michael, I can't thank you enough.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yeah. I wish we could solve your murder over and over again. And I can't wait to see you again soon.

[Teddy Kaluca]

And maybe I'll see you soon.

[Beanie Feldstein]

I was thinking about doing a little farewell set in the secret gaming parlor that's downstairs. Only if you want to. All right. Follow thee. It's just down here. Excuse me, sweetheart.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

We are back with Beanie Feldstein for a third time.

[Beanie Feldstein]

Okay.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

We needed you back because the sort of saves the day in this episode.

[Beanie Feldstein]

I would say with Howard.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

With Howard, we're in cahoots.

[Beanie Feldstein]

And Miller.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

We're all in cahoots. You know, the underdogs save the day. These slightly annoying but vulnerable characters save the day. Totally. Tell me about this. So we filmed in the lobby. You distract the press corps so that we can get down into the gaming parlor.

[Beanie Feldstein]

Yes.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

And then in the gaming parlor, you get on a poker table, dance, and sing your song.

[Beanie Feldstein]

That is correct.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

What was it like filming that?

[Beanie Feldstein]

This was so fun. I didn't know. You know, at the beginning of the season, they're still writing, so I didn't know how far into the season I was gonna get.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Right.

[Beanie Feldstein]

And when they told me I was coming back for the finale, I was so excited and so honored. And then they were like, you're doing wish you were me up on a roulette table. And I was like, excuse me, but we had so much fun. It was so fun even getting a glimpse of the. The Howard connection. We were sort of, like, locked in immediately, which I felt to my core. I got to finally work with Renee and Keegan and Kristoff and Logan. I was like, it's so fun to see all of the players.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yeah.

[Beanie Feldstein]

No pun intended. Of this season, like, finally all be in one space. And that was, like, for me, so joyful, because I hadn't had all of them, hadn't gotten to work with them yet. And it was really fun for the. To use her obnoxiousness for good and sort of be like, you need a distraction. I am a distraction.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yeah. I mean, you are in the pinkest dress.

[Beanie Feldstein]

Dana and I tried on, like, that look and then a more subtle, frissy look. And of course, they went with, like, the crazier one. And, I mean, one of the most iconic looks ever.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

What was it like? You said this is the first time you were in the room with Renee, and what was it like doing the dance and the song in front of Renee? I mean, as your first introduction to each other.

[Beanie Feldstein]

She's the nicest woman. She's a fairy.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yeah.

[Beanie Feldstein]

She's like a pixie. Like, she just flits around to everyone with kindness.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Have you ever seen her with an animal?

[Beanie Feldstein]

Well, I saw her with your Sharon.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yes. I've never seen someone, like, love my dog more than me. And Sharon was like, Sharon just, like, bellowing, melted into Renee Zellweger's arms.

[Beanie Feldstein]

She was like, I do love Oscar Withers.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

She does. Sharon is like that.

[Beanie Feldstein]

Love Sharon.

[Keegan Michael Key]

Yeah.

[Beanie Feldstein]

But I. Jamie, our amazing director of this episode, was like, oh, I'm gonna put you next to Renee for, like, the bulk of the reveal, shall I say scene? And I was like, I just get to, like, be next to Renee. And so my first, you know, introduction to her was being in, like, all these two shots with her and all the. And I kept pulling shtick at her and I was like, if you don't want to meet me in my shtick, like, ignore me or tell me to stop. And she was like, I love it. And we just kept doing all this silly shtick together. It was so fun.

[John Hoffman]

So fun.

[Beanie Feldstein]

She's so game.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yeah.

[Beanie Feldstein]

And Logan's so kind, and Kristoff is like. I was, like, again, so nervous to be around him.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

I keep waiting for the day when we get some sort of diva or someone awful on the show. But, like, we have had just the best of the best.

[Beanie Feldstein]

I mean, I think as a guest, I can say, like, three of them. And you set the kindest, most welcoming, most ambitious. Work hard, but enjoy yourself and be playful tone that, like, if anyone came in rude, it would just be like, see ya.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Get him out. Get him out.

[Keegan Michael Key]

Yeah.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Well, you fit in perfectly. I, you know, I was. Did you ever think you were the killer? Because I was convinced you were when you were cast. When I saw your name.

[Beanie Feldstein]

You thought I was the killer?

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Before I knew anything about the character, I was like, beanie's gonna be the killer.

[Beanie Feldstein]

How dare you.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

I think that about everybody that comes on the set. I think about myself every single episode, and I'm always wrong.

[Beanie Feldstein]

Someday I knew Thea was just there for, like, deep emotional vibes. Yeah, she was there for nothing but emotion and vibes. I was, like, completely convinced of this.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

You knew.

[Beanie Feldstein]

You knew my hands were clean, baby. They were just nail art. There was nothing else on top of nail art.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Anyway, that's the perfect way to end this season. My goodness. Thank you so much for being here, Beanie. I'm so glad we got to share this season together.

[Beanie Feldstein]

Thank you.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

I hope we see each other again.

[Beanie Feldstein]

I really feel that Howard needs to be a part of these team. Oh, I just. I'm putting it out there.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

He's. He's willing to try anything as long as he's.

[Beanie Feldstein]

He's gonna climb that social ladder no matter what.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

He's, like, very. His passions shift. Shift. There was yodeling. There was puzzles. There's library and science, and now there's robots that shifted fast. Yeah. All right, well, thank you.

[Beanie Feldstein]

Thank you for having me.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Thank you for being here.

[Beanie Feldstein]

You're an angel. This is so fun. Could talk for days.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Me too. Now, a segment we call Michael Cyril Creighton on Howard Francis Morris. In this episode, Howard helped solve the mystery. Attended an amazing pop up concert. Got himself a new human love interest who's dumb as a rock and tall as a tree. And even found time to be present for the final cliffhanger. Now that is what I call job security. This has been Michael Cyril Creighton on Howard Francis Morris. You're welcome.

[David Patrick Kelly]

Aren't these Mabel, Charles, and Oliver's phones?

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Oh, my God. One arconia staff member who played a big role in solving the mystery is trashman Miller. So we had to have back David Patrick Kelly. Hey, dpk.

[David Patrick Kelly]

Michael. Delighted to be here with you.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Delighted to be here with you. Now, did you know when you were hired for this season that Miller was going to be a hero of sorts in the finale?

[David Patrick Kelly]

Absolutely not. And they changed it a little bit from time to time.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yeah.

[David Patrick Kelly]

You know, just to keep it moving so people don't get too ahead of things.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Right.

[David Patrick Kelly]

And that was good, but it was great to be there and let the truth of, you know, New York sanitation come to the fore.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yeah. It's sort of. There's. He's. You know, it's surprising. He's a big part of saving the day. He finds those phones. He helps Howard get downstairs so we can apprehend the killer. What does it feel like to be a hero?

[David Patrick Kelly]

I like to say trash never sleeps, Michael. Trash never sleeps. And exposing the corruptos is always valuable.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yeah.

[David Patrick Kelly]

And you can use those words. And scrabble. That's a real word. Corrupto.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

And we could use more trash man. Millers in our world today, sort of fighting the corruption one piece of trash at a time.

[David Patrick Kelly]

Yes.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

There's a term that you use in the final episode when you find the phones, you run across the lobby past Camilla, past the mayor, and you come to Howard and you say, what's the word?

[David Patrick Kelly]

Well, I use that as a shibboleth for you, A secret word.

[Teddy Kaluca]

Mongo.

[Keegan Michael Key]

Mongo.

[David Patrick Kelly]

Mongo, yeah. Because in my research from a book called picking it up by Robin Nagel, who is a Brit who came and did. Worked for the department of sanitation for a couple years, he discovered that all the sanitation workers in New York used the word mango for something that they find in the trash that's valuable.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

You fell down my shoes.

[David Patrick Kelly]

There's an actual museum on 99th street in First Avenue.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Wow.

[David Patrick Kelly]

That has all this stuff that they've collected for 50, 60 years in there, you know?

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Wow.

[David Patrick Kelly]

And it's some pretty interesting history in there, you know, to see different eras, what people were into, and, you know what's valuable? Lots of ukuleles.

[Keegan Michael Key]

Yeah.

[David Patrick Kelly]

Many, many ukuleles.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Tons.

[David Patrick Kelly]

So many.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

That's where I'll go. If you ever want to pick up the ukulele, you got to do it.

[David Patrick Kelly]

Music is your friend, Michael. Music is your friend forever.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

It is. I know. I find it sometimes hard to join an established show that's been around for a while as a guest because there's a rhythm, there's a groove. Sometimes it's hard to be the person that just pops in and out. How did you find it joining the arconia in season five? What was the experience like for you joining this cast?

[David Patrick Kelly]

Well, it was daunting, but they kind of wrote that into the role, which was great.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yeah.

[David Patrick Kelly]

You know, so my feelings about being with all you and my love for the show because I was a devoted follower before, you know, and it's such a unique and wonderful thing. I wanted to do it immediately.

[John Hoffman]

And.

[David Patrick Kelly]

And so it's difficult, but it. It was also easy because they. They wrote that aspect into the show. You know, his kind of. I don't want to say there's a little bit of tension, kind of resentment of being late to the party and all this kind of stuff and trying to establish his place and all that kind of stuff.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yeah.

[David Patrick Kelly]

And so it was thrilling and daunting at the same time because I'd been such an admirer of Steve and Martin for so many years, you know, and everybody else, to see everybody's wonderful work and what you all do on the show, you know, But Steve and Martin were such an inspiration for so long, you know, that it was thrilling to be there. So it was what you dream of. It involves not acting. You can just sort of be what you really are with people, you know?

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yeah. Well, you did it beautifully. You were such a great addition. Before we say goodbye to you, would you want to play us another song?

[David Patrick Kelly]

Yes, I would. This is a song because Sherry and Bob, who are much younger than I, but still know this club that I worked at, Max's Kansas city, which was at 17th and Park Avenue south.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Oh, just to clarify, Sherry and Bob were our directors of episodes five and six, right?

[David Patrick Kelly]

Correct.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yes.

[David Patrick Kelly]

And so they knew this band, New York. Donald's primal New York band, Trash.

[Unknown/Unidentified]

Don't pick it up Come on, take my love away oh, trash come on, pick it up Come on, take my love away oh, trash come on, pick it up Come on, take my love away from me and please don't tell me that you love me that's trash.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

What a good way to end the segment. Thank you so much. Thanks. Such a pleasure.

[David Patrick Kelly]

Delighted.

[Martin Short]

Delighted.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Man, until next time. Now that we've seen it all, we've seen how everything plays out this season, we have got to check in with everyone's favorite captain. I am here with our showrunner, our co creator, John Hoffman.

[John Hoffman]

Hello.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Hello. What a finale.

[John Hoffman]

Did you enjoy it?

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

I did enjoy it. I had a great time watching it. I had a great time making it. I was extremely surprised. And the way it all comes together, John, is super satisfying.

[John Hoffman]

Oh, thank you. I hope so. We do our best with this amazing group of writers that I work with and producers and, you know, it's a challenge for sure to pull everything together from the season in surprising ways, so. And funny, hopefully ways, but poignant, too. There's a lot to manage.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

So when did you know? Not actually when did you know? When did Keegan know what he did? When did he know?

[John Hoffman]

That's a good question. There were a couple of permutations of what we were going to end up doing, so it was a matter of just letting him know. Just so you know, there's a deeper connection you have to this whole mystery story.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Right.

[John Hoffman]

I let him know about the affair that the mayor was having with Sophia that had so much to do with what happened on the night.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yeah.

[John Hoffman]

Nikki died and the night Lester died.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yeah.

[John Hoffman]

So the mayor was central to that. The mayor was central to the casino bid. The layering in of the mayor of New York City is beholden to big money players and keeping them happy and all of that. So making a complicated mayor story was not that hard in New York City, turns out.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

How did you come up with this corrupt mayor?

[John Hoffman]

I don't know where it came from.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Politics are usually so pure. Yes, exactly.

[John Hoffman]

Exactly.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

There's a lot of romance in this episode. A little bit of romance. What do we think the possibility of Mabel and Jay seeing each other again?

[John Hoffman]

Well, I mean, it has been an ongoing thing. I mean, Selena Gomez would talk about, you know, sort of like, oh, no, I just cycle through these love interests.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

She really does.

[John Hoffman]

I know. And it's true. I mean, it is an ongoing sort of thing for Mabel that, you know, there hasn't been anything permanent. But I do think there was some lovely connection between Jay and Mabel, despite everything. And there's a lot of everything going on.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yeah.

[John Hoffman]

I don't know whether or not that that's quite enough to have it linger on.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Right, right.

[John Hoffman]

But there was something kind of exciting.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

It was a sweet, exciting, like, courtship, I think.

[Teddy Kaluca]

Yeah.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Speaking of which, we have surprise love between Vince Fish and Uma. It's a little. Yeah. A nice little. Nice little moment there that we didn't expect. And then, of course, Howard's now wearing his sluttiest cardigan and going on a date with a catchy Emilio boy.

[John Hoffman]

Oh, my God.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

That's the other big twist turn for the romance. I know.

[John Hoffman]

And then a little bit of a last twisty turn for romance in Charles and Sophia's story where Charles actually says no to a dangerous woman for the first time.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yeah. Not his thing.

[John Hoffman]

Usually not his thing. So. Yeah, that feels nice.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Yeah. Now we solve the mystery. Everybody's sort of part of it. I love that there's so many hands involved in solving the mystery this season. Our trio, obviously are the major heroes, but Althea is such a big part of it. Miller the trash man is such a big part of it. Yes. It's so great. And we end solving mystery down in that incredible casino set that we met in the first episode. And then we flash forward three months.

[John Hoffman]

We do.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Everybody's happy. It's nice and bright and sunny.

[John Hoffman]

Yes.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

How long have you known you were gonna kill off Cinda Canyon in season five?

[John Hoffman]

It was something that I'd been thinking about for a while, but it was more in the offing. Like, I knew that it couldn't be early. I love her so much, Tina and the character. And I felt that the deeper we go in telling these stories about this trio and I'm always fascinated by why do people like telling stories? Why do people like listening to stories? What is it that's underneath the compulsion towards tragedy or knowing what really happened? I think Cinda's a particular character in that trio's lives. I mean, she was literally the one that brought them all together.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Season six, where are we spinning? What do we have in store?

[John Hoffman]

Season six? Well, goodness only knows. Season six is going to be a obviously with someone as central to the whole enterprise of only murders in the building. The reigning queen of everything podcast wise and the inspiration for our trio. Even giving this an attempt feels really big for the show and for the trio. And I think it's, you know, I think it's going to take us to origin stories. And I think knowing that that's the victim, it might take us to a place where. What is the original place where a cozy murder mystery and a style and tone around telling these stories first was born.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

New Brunswick, New Jersey, possibly. No. Unless it's Elizabeth fans are gonna lose their mind about this possible little tidbit. This is exciting. Season 6, Season 7, Season 8, Season 9, Season 10. Hopefully we'll be Doing this show forever. It is a dream to be part of it. This is the only show I would ever wanna sit and talk to people about for hours and hours.

[John Hoffman]

Oh my God.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

And you're one of my favorite people to talk to ever. Michael, thank you for making the show. Thank you for making this season.

[John Hoffman]

Well, thank you so much for doing this, for talking about it. And I feel, I hope, I hope everyone who watches the show is continuing to love it. We do our best to like set up and step it up for every season in some fresh way and serve the amazing actors in our show like yourself and our amazing trio and everybody else. So I just feel incredibly grateful.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

It's the gift that keeps giving.

[John Hoffman]

It's a mad, mad experience.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Well, thank you so much. We will see you next time. Thank you, Michael. Until then, keep re watching our series and don't get murdered.

[John Hoffman]

Do not get murdered.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

Well, that's it for today. That's it for the season. Thank you so much for tuning in. It is not too late to subscribe or follow wherever you're listening or watching from. Leave us a rating and a review. I see them all and I read them to my dog who has always said that I would never amount to anything. Well, who's laughing now, Sharon? Who's laughing now? And who knows, we might release some fun bonus content between seasons that you won't want to miss. See you soon. Watch and listen to the Only Murders in the Building official podcast available on Hulu and wherever you get your podcasts and don't miss Only Murders in the Building now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney for bundle subscribers terms apply.

[Martin Short]

O M I T B Official.

[Steve Martin]

Omit, baby.

[Martin Short]

We say omit.

[Michael Cyril Creighton]

B.

[Martin Short]

Omit. Can we do an omit? Hyphen B.

[Steve Martin]

Let's just say only murders in the building.

[Keegan Michael Key]

Just say that.

[Martin Short]

When did you become the pope?

[John Hoffman]

Right now. Okay.