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The shocking 2022 murder of four University of Idaho students have resulted in a life sentence for the killer and still-unanswered questions — about new genealogy tech, media exposure, lessons for law enforcement —worth Thinking Twice about. John Donvan sits down with journalist Vicky Ward, who co-authored with James Patterson “The Idaho Four: An American Tragedy,” and discuss what drew her to the case, how collaborating with Patterson changed her process, and reconsidering elements of the criminal justice system.

Our Guest: Vicky Ward, Co-Author of "The Idaho Four: An American Tragedy"

Emmy award-winning journalist John Donvan moderates

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Think Twice: The Idaho Four Tragedy with Vicky Ward