Podcast
Other People's Pockets
Hosted by Maya Lau · EN
Other People’s Pockets from journalist Maya Lau is a show featuring intimate interviews with real people about their personal finances.
How much money do you make, and how do you make it?
How do you feel about your money?
How did you actually get that raise?
That house?
That life?
It’s the show for financially-motivated people who want to go beyond Personal Finance 101: they want to hear the nuanced, messy, lived experiences of people making money decisions and building wealth.
Contact us: otherpeoplespockets@gmail.com
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Maya is Secretly Sporty (in a dance way!)
6d ago00:31:06Tap to summarizeToday I’m bringing you a look into a side of my life that is exercise and dance.This episode is actually not about personal finance … there is more of that coming very soon.Instead, I’m featuring an episode from the podcast Secretly Sporty, where they interviewed me about why I dance and how that informs my life.Secretly Sporty is a new podcast hosted by writer and academic Sebastian Langdell about the way that exercise can inform our creative output, even if our workouts don’t necessarily have anything to do with our work.Last year, Sebastian wrote an op-ed in the New York Times called “A Medievalist Hits the Gym,” which was about what weightlifting has to do with medieval literature. I encourage you to go check out that article to see how he threaded that needle. The article served as a spark for Secretly Sporty, where he’s interviewed cartoonist Alison Bechdel, NYT columnist Jamelle Bouie, comedian Chris Duffy and many others about their workout routines and how they impact the life of the mind.I’m by no means a professional dancer, never have been, never been close to that (!) It’s just something I like to do in my spare time. So it was really fun to be asked about it, because it’s just something I *do* — not something that I *think* about that much. So thank you, Sebastian, for having me on!Go listen and subscribe to Secretly Sporty wherever you get podcasts.And! I have been working on a stealth side project having to do with the intersection of DANCE and FINANCE. If that at all piques your interest, what DANCE has to do with FINANCE, whether you’re a dancer, or a financier or both, please write to me at otherpeoplespockets@gmail.com or slide into my DM's on Instagram @itsmayamoney, or find me on LinkedIn. However you want to reach me, I would love to talk.Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
Transcribe →Jessica Slice on the Finances of Being Disabled
4w ago00:56:39Tap to summarizeToday we're featuring Jessica Slice, a disabled author, speaker and essayist. Her book, “Unfit Parent: A Disabled Mother Challenges an Inaccessible World,” is an amazing look at how her experience in her body — which more often than not needs to be in a reclining position — has been an unexpected asset in her ability to parent & connect with her children. She also writes about the challenges it brings and the very diverse experiences of other disabled people in their lives as parents.Jessica has one of the more drastic and interesting financial and life transformations of any guest on OPP. Growing up, she was able-bodied, and then one day at age 28 she went on a hike that left her so exhausted she could barely function. That incident triggered a series of symptoms that would later reveal a disability, which she’ll explain more in this episode. Her disability requires her to do most of her work in her adjustable bed, and largely prevents her from walking very much, or from traveling. This killed her former career as a highly-compensated real estate agent and forever altered the trajectory of her work prospects.She talked to me about how expensive it is to be disabled, how she forged an alternate career path and she gave some advice about how to get into the lucrative racket of paid speaking gigs.If you haven't already, please fill out the OTHER PEOPLE'S POCKETS LISTENER SURVEY! It really helps us grow the show.Email me (Maya) with guest ideas, questions, or hello's at otherpeoplespockets@gmail.com. Find links to my socials here.Find Jessica:jessicaslice.comInstagramSubstackAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
Transcribe →Tell me who you are, listener!
Apr 2300:01:33Tap to summarizeI want to know who you are.I mean that in the best possible way.Here's the thing about making a podcast: you spend a lot of time creating something, you put that thing out into the world, and … you really don’t know who exactly is listening to it.I do have some audience demographic data, but it’s not very robust. Knowing who is listening helps me land potential sponsors, and that helps OPP grow.So I made a survey. It takes about three minutes.Help shape the future of this show! Click here. And thank you!-MayaAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
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Sunshine Hanson on the Business of Being a Surrogate
Apr 1301:01:33Tap to summarizeHow do you compensate someone for giving life to another person's dream?Sunshine Hanson is a three-time gestational surrogate, which means that on three different occasions, she was pregnant with and gave birth to other people’s babies, and was paid for it.Her experience of helping families who wanted biological children but could not carry them on their own and navigating the financial aspects of that, inspired her to start her own agency, called "Surrogacy is...," which matches intended parents with prospective surrogates.I’ve always wanted to interview a surrogate because I’m fascinated by the idea of getting paid to do something that is so personal and that you really can’t put a price on.We talked about how much money she made by being a surrogate; how it helped her pay off debt and reach financial goals; the ethics of paying someone to be pregnant & how to guard against exploitation; and about the financial literacy that should be talked about more in life and in the world of surrogacy.Email me (Maya) with guest ideas, questions, or hello's at otherpeoplespockets@gmail.com. Find me on social media here.Find Sunshine:Surrogacy.isInstagramFacebookTikTokLinkedInAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
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Margo Clayson on Learning to Budget the Hard Way
Mar 1200:43:57Tap to summarizeWhat happens when you finally start to budget in your 50s, then you discover to your total surprise that you are $40,000 in debt?I spoke to Margo Clayson about the uncomfortable conversations she had — and new relationship patterns she created — on her journey to becoming financially sound.Clayson is founder of The Mighty Microgreen, an organization that helps educators create interactive STEM and nutrition lessons using microgreens. She’s also an educator, longtime student, mom, grandmother, wife and Canadian now living in rural Idaho. I talked to her about the unusual way her financial reckoning came about, how she navigates money and marriage, and what budgeting looks like when you’re living off Social Security. Email me (Maya) with guest ideas, questions, or hello's at otherpeoplespockets@gmail.com Find me on social media here.Find Margo:The Mighty MicrogreenLinkedInInstagramAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
Transcribe →Amelie Tsoungui, Writer Who Self-Deported to Cameroon
Jan 2200:41:20Tap to summarizeAmelie Tsoungui is a Cameroonian immigrant who moved to the U.S. at age six. After two decades growing up in Chicago and spending part of her 20s in L.A., she decided to self-deport to Cameroon in 2025 after the Trump administration said it would revoke Temporary Protected Status (TPS) for Cameroonian nationals. The cancellation of TPS meant she would no longer be able to live in the U.S. legally.This experience of moving back to West Africa, a home she only knew as a child, sparked her passion for digital storytelling, leading to multiple viral TikTok videos on her channel @amsthebomb237, where you can watch, almost in real-time, what it is like to transition to life in Yaoundé, the capital of Cameroon. Her work explores themes of immigration, assimilation, spirituality, feminine rage, and karmic lineage, drawing from her BFA in Film and Television from DePaul University.I spoke to Amelie as part of a series on how the Trump administration is affecting people's personal finances.Email me (Maya) with guest ideas, questions, or hello's at otherpeoplespockets@gmail.com. Find me on social media here.Connect with Amelie: LinktreeAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
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Carmen González: In Memoriam
Dec 1600:48:21Tap to summarizeToday we're honoring a member of the Other People's Pockets family, Carmen González, who tragically died this past August at the age of 24. Carmen was guest number 4 on this show, sharing how she handled her finances as a journalist, student and undocumented immigrant in Los Angeles.What you'll hear is a montage of voices of people who knew and loved Carmen, followed by a re-release of the episode featuring her on OPP in 2023.Carmen, if you're anywhere out there listening, we love you. And we miss you so much.Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
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Quay Crowner, Federal Gov't Employee Whose Job Was Cut by Trump
Dec 300:35:34Tap to summarizeQuay Crowner is a longtime U.S. federal government executive who served at multiple agencies, including the Internal Revenue Service, the Government Accountability Office, and the Department of Education.The 55-year-old Maryland native was most recently the Director of Outreach Impact and Engagement for Federal Student Aid at the Department of Education, when she was put on leave and ultimately fired this year as part of President Trump’s executive order to dismantle Diversity Equity and Inclusion programs, even though her job had nothing to do with DEI.I'm talking to Quay as part of a series I’m doing on how the Trump administration is affecting individuals’ personal finances.Email Maya with guest ideas, questions or hello's at otherpeoplespockets@gmail.comFind Quay Crowner on LinkedInFind Maya:InstagramTikTokLinkedInmayalau.comAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
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Pocket Dial: Taylor Winters, My Executive Coach
Oct 2700:45:54Tap to summarizeToday I’m interviewing someone who helps me immensely with my work, the way I approach my career, and how to just be more effective and intentional with my time.I’m talking to my executive coach, Taylor Winters, because she has some really interesting ideas about the concept of “enough,” which we talk about a lot on this show.This episode is a Pocket Dial! That's where we pause to reflect on the money themes that come up on Other People's Pockets.Taylor Winters is an executive coach and entrepreneur. She co-founded and managed a globally-recognized design agency to a successful exit and pivoted her focus from developing products to developing people, specifically leadership professionals across industries. She earned her coaching certification from UC Berkeley (Haas) created the leadership practice Every Day Future, and is pursuing a Masters in Applied IO Psychology from Harvard.Follow Taylor Winters:IG: @everydayfutureFollow Maya Lau:IG: @itsmayamoneyLinkedIn: @mayalauTikTok @itsmayamoneyYouTube: @itsmayamoneyAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
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Cecilia Thiam, Humanitarian Aid Worker Whose World Changed After Trump Gutted USAID
Aug 500:35:32Tap to summarizeToday I’m bringing you my interview with Cecilia Thiam, a 35-year-old Swiss-American humanitarian aid worker who has spent most of her career living and working in sub-saharan Africa. She lost her job after the Trump administration enacted sweeping cuts to the United States Agency for International Development (USAID). Now, she has had to scrap her plans, move to a new country with her 6-year-old daughter while parenting solo, and re-think her entire career.We spoke on July 10, 2025.This is part of a theme we are pursuing looking at how the Trump administration is affecting people’s personal finances. If you know someone who would be a great guest, get in touch at otherpeoplespockets@gmail.com or on Instagram or TikTok at @itsmayamoney. And on LinkedIn!Thank you for supporting this show!Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
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