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If you haven't heard the first, you should go back and start from there. In the last episode, we learned about Cecilia's family in Cuba and their connection to spiritism. Spiritism was not something that Cecilia, her mom, or even her grandmother practiced. But after her cousin had a tragic accident, the family was gathered together and not sure if he was going to survive. Over the next few days, while they waited to hear if he was going to make it, Cecilia's grandmother began reading from an old Spiritist book that she inherited from her own mother. This was something that they were doing more so for a family moment of unity, a prayer basically, looking to hold on to any bit of hope or find any way to maybe help their relative who was on the brink of death. Then, out of nowhere, during one of these readings, Cecilia's mother seemed to be taken over by the spirit of somebody else. The spirit of Cecelia's great grandmother. Interestingly, she seemed to not only know things she couldn't have known, but also she didn't know things that she should have known. For instance, she didn't recognize her own son, who was only a baby when the great grandmother died. And mind you, this is all happening to Cecilia's mom, the skeptical engineer who had never practiced spiritism. The spirit that seemed to be taking her over assured the family that her cousin was going to be okay. And thankfully, that ended up being true. After this experience, the whole family was deeply shaken. Cecilia's mom was drained and confused. She described the experience of having a white light in her brain and words flowing from her mouth without her thinking them. She told Cecilia that neither of them could ever talk to anybody about this because she was afraid that they would sound crazy. The cousin began to recover, the relatives went back home, and years went on without anything unusual happening to Cecilia or her mother. That brings us to the second half of the story. I'll let Cecelia take it from here. This episode is called the Spiritist Part 2, and you're listening to Otherworld. Hello, is this Bobby? Yes, it is at its core, the science you can't argue with.
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Everybody moves back into the light, even if it takes them a minute after the first episode. You know, that night was impactful for all of us because on the one hand, it was, like, the only time and the first time that I've seen my mom going through something like that. We were also, like, in the middle of a crisis. So it's not like, oh, this happened, and, you know, everything ended. You know, it's like we kept going to the hospital every day and, like, you know, our life continued to be, like, really hard in that period. I think that, you know, incident change the dynamic of the accident in the way that it gave us kind of, like, the strength to be together, to. To not divide and to maybe have more trust that my cousin was gonna survive because his condition or his state continued to be like life or death every day, you know, but at least we had something to hold on to, which I think it's important in, like, this kind of, you know, when you're going through something that is so painful and you have no idea what to do when you are basically, you cannot do anything. You know, it's all in the hands of the doctors and himself. You know, how he's gonna hold up to it. What it really did was, like, it kept us United. In 2018, I moved to New York. I started my master in filmmaking, And I, in 2019, went back to Cuba to shoot a short film for that. And then I went back to New York, and at the end of the pandemic, I met my husband. I mean, my boyfriend then, and then my husband in Brooklyn, where we lived. And I remember it was very cold. Like, they still didn't have the lamps, the heating lamps outside. So I hadn't been going on any dates because I'm, you know, too much of a lightweight to stand the cold. But, you know, we went there. It was almost. So I was like, I'm ready to get out of my house again. And we met and, you know, like, I never thought, like, oh, this is the one. But, you know, he was like, we never stopped seeing each other. And then we got engaged. In 2022, we decided to do, like, a trip down to South America because he had never been there. And we started in Mexico. We went to Colombia, Peru, and then we went to Chile for. For him to meet my parents for the first time. We were not engaged when we did that. That was right before. I didn't know he was going to propose or anything. So he met my family for one day or two, and then we went down to Patagonia, and in Patagonia was where he proposed. And so we became engaged, and we came back to Santiago engaged, and everybody was super happy. My parents, luckily liked him, even though they had just met him. And, you know, like, it was like, a really happy time, like, kind of, like, celebration. And my grandmother happened to be there visiting, so she was also part of that. And one of these nights, you know, like, after dinner, my fiance at the time had gone to bed, and my dad, too. And my mom said, you know, since we're all here, you know, it's like three generations just get together and, like, be grateful, you know, like, just, like, say a prayer to the spirits in our family, because there's so many good things happening, and I feel changes are coming. And I just, you know, like, I feel the need to say thank you. We went to the living room, and my grandma, of course, had the, you know, the book. She kind of always pulls the book out of her chest. Like, I don't know, like, she has it, like, somewhere. It's, like, very funny. So, yeah, it was my cousin, one of my cousins, all women, my grandma, my mom and I. So at the time, I wasn't expecting anything to happen, because after the first incident, we kept reading the book and we kept praying, and nothing happened. That was the only time. So I thought that was it, you know, that was the time. So we came into this, like, in a very light mood, very chatty, very, like, laughing at things. And my fiance, I never told him about this before because, I don't know, like, he's American. I. Not because I didn't think he would understand, but also it's kind of, like, difficult to say, hey, you know, this happened in 2013. I mean, it had been so many years ago that I didn't, you know, think it was, like, important to tell him. So he had no idea. I just told him, you know, my mom and my grandma and I, my cousin, are going to be in the living room. And I even asked him if he wanted to come. And he's like, no, I'm tired. I'm going to bed. So he went to bed, and that was why we were alone. So I was really not expecting anything else. Then my grandma pulls the book from her chest, and we are all laughing at her because it's like, how did you produce this book from out of your shirt? You know, so it's like we're all laughing and chatty. And from one minute to the other, the atmosphere changed. It became dense. I look to the side and I see that my mom is, you know, her head is down, her eyes are closed. And I could see that her mouth was, like, starting to twitch, which gave me, like, this familiar feeling of, I've seen this before, and, you know, she's going through something. She started doing movements, like, again, like, lifting her shoulders up and down and, like, kind of like rocking herself. Not, like, very aggressively at first, but, like, rocking back and forth. And I was like, mom. I immediately start trying to call her, like, to see if she would react to me asking her, and she's not. And somehow I remember that it felt very, you know, dense in the living room. And I was. My heart was beating really fast. Like, I was scared. I wasn't expecting this. So tried to call her, and she's not responding. And then my grandmother and all of us immediately thought, okay, this is my great grandmother's spirit again. And so she starts trying to talk with her mom. But my mom is not responding either to that. She was, like, blurbing words out, but it was nothing that we could understand. It's like she was having conversations with someone else that we couldn't see. And we didn't know who. Who it was. We thought. Our first thought was, like, okay, it's my great grandmother, maybe again. But that didn't work when we tried to talk to that spirit. So that made it even more scary to me. Completely new territory. At some point, my grandma asked, who is this? And that's when she started saying names, but it was names that we didn't know. It was nothing connected to us or to my family. We were like, what is happening? That was what made it scary. So then she finally said a familiar name, and she said, I am Manolo Lopez. That's my great grandfather. So immediately we were like, okay, so it's someone we know at least. And he was like, saying that, you know, he's here because my grandma is here. And so he wants to connect with her grandchildren. And he starts talking about the family in Cuba. But there wasn't, like, a clear message. It's just like, you know, like, I'm trying to connect with my grandchildren, and I'm here, and I want. I want you to talk about me. It was kind of like that. And then while this is happening, my mom keeps, like, her movements keep increasing, like, the shaking, the twitching the shoulders. And then that same spirit, Manolo Lopez, just turns to me, and he just says, noah, that's my fiance. He's a good man. And that was like, the first sign of, like, of something coherent finally. And he was like, he's a good man. And then he turns back to my grandmother and he's just like, there are things that are going to happen, changes, and you have to be united again and you have to be together and kind of like, beware of, you know, false signs or, like, don't try to interpret everything. Just like there are big changes coming from everybody and just learn how to read the correct signs, things like that. But it was kind of hard to piece the message together because of my mom's movement. And then at one point, it was like that one spirit left, and she started talking to many people at the same time. And it was like there was a crowd in her head, and she looked really tormented. I felt like there was a lot of voices trying to come at once through her. And that made, like, a traffic jam in her head, to put it somehow. We know that is Manolo Lopez, and we know there's, like, one spirit talking to us, because when that happens, she kind of, like, turns to us and she talks to us. Like, you know, the message is really clear. Like, she's talking to me face to face. When she said no as a good man, like, she turned towards me, and even though her eyes and her own essence was not there, it's like, again, like, the essence of my mom is not present, but there's someone else talking through her. She's, like, facing me or when she wants to say something to my grandmother about changes that are coming and wanting to connect with family. And, like, she then turned towards my grandmother. Like, she's very specific about telling something to one person. But then when the spirit or that spirit is gone, she goes back into herself. Like, her head is down and the twitching and the shoulders and the mouth blubbering starts again. So she's not really talking to any of us. She's just, like, responding to, like, a crowd, you know? And we tried to talk to her. We try to turn her towards us, to face us, to face her. And she's not, like, she would just shake us or, like, try to get rid of our hands and go back to look down, you know, it's like we cannot control it. We cannot make her talk to us. She's just talking to people that are not there. She's saying, I'm not going to do that. Yes, no. Or, like, at some points, I felt it was my own mom saying no. Like, stop. I felt like she was really tormented and she was trying to get out of the trance, but she couldn't. I could see that there was a struggle there, that this wasn't, like, a peaceful experience and that she wasn't having a good time. And I don't think anyone was at that point because it was, like, out of control and that it wasn't like the first time, you know, it wasn't a familiar spirit. Yes, there was that one spirit that was familiar, but then there were many others that were not. And it kind of showed me that this is not something so simple. And, like, we really have no idea. I kept trying to talk to her and, like, to make her come out of it. I'm like, mom, okay, stop. And there was no way of make it stop. We even were talking to the people that, you know, we thought they were there, like, okay, you have to leave my mom. Leave her. And no, nothing worked. She kept blubbering. And then she kind of, like, looked back again. And we could see then that there was another spirit that kind of, like, took a hold of her in between this multiplicity of voices, like, someone was able to fully, like, be in her. And she looked to my grandma, and she started to apologize. We didn't really know who this was at first, but it was a spirit that had a lot of grief and a lot of regret. I was at first trying to guess it was male or female, but then my mom referred to herself as a he. She talked about herself like if she was a man. So I assume this has to be a male spirit because he talked about having a wife. My mom turns to my grandma, and she starts, like, apologizing and crying. I don't want to say negative energy, but the energy was very heavy. It was like a very overpowering presence. He at some point said that he was sorry for not knowing his grandchildren because he had abandoned his daughters. And then my grandmother realized that that was her ex husband, my mom's father, who he left her when my mom was 14. And my mom is the older sister of three. So he left my grandma and their three daughters when they were really young. And he basically never saw them again. Like, I never met him. None of my cousins met him. And he later died in Miami. He came in full force, and he was, like, apologizing, and he was, like, kind of like kicking the floor. My mom was kicking the floor really hard, and her body would go hard, like a table on the couch. So we had to sit her back. We had to physically make her stay seated. And I remember my hands were sweating and I was shaking. And she kept sitting saying, like, that she was sorry, that I'm sorry, and I don't know my grandchildren. And, you know, he was calling out the names of my mom and her sisters, each one of them, like Cecilia and Luisa and Teresa. And he kind of, like, was going back to the moment where he, when he was alive, left. And then he was apologizing to my grandmother, and he's saying that he had been bad and that he needed them to forgive him so he could move on. Because he was stuck in this kind of, like, feeling, or like, the spirit, I guess, couldn't progress and that he needed forgiveness. My grandma was like, yes, I forgive you. Just, you know, leave my daughter. That didn't work. Like, he stayed there and he kept repeating that he was sorry and that he needed forgiveness. And while all this was happening, my mom's body was struggling because she was shaking. Kicking her head was, like, shaking. No. Or then yes. And so I, at some point was like, I forgive you, too. Like, everybody in the room was like, we forgive you. Please move on. Please leave. Like, you know, you're okay. Like, this doesn't matter anymore. We're happy. We're a happy family. And, like, we are thinking about you, you know, like, with the best intentions and, like, just please move on. And then he was like, oh, thank you so much. But then he wouldn't leave, you know, So I was, like, really demanding. He was like a very demanding spirit. I think he had so much sorrow in that moment that it was difficult for him to hear what we were saying at this point. She's not coming out of the trance. Nothing we do seems to be working. Like, even if we say to the spirit that we forgive him, that he's good, that he needs to move on, he seems to be accepting of that. He says, thank you. But then he goes back to apologizing and to remember, like, the past. And we didn't know what else we could do. My mom wasn't responding to her name. The spirit wasn't responding. And I could see the strain that this was putting on her body. So I was becoming more and more desperate, wondering what's going to happen now? Like, am I going to have my mom back? That's, like, all this, I guess, my main fear. So I told my cousin that we should take my mom out to the backyard because maybe, you know, getting some fresh air and, like, trying to make her walk would work. And so between the two of us, we, like, grab her and try to make her walk. And it was Very difficult because her body kept trying to fold or, you know, sit down. And so we had to really drag her. And I think while we were dragging her from the living room to the backyard, we had to go through the kitchen, through the dining room. Then the spirit, the spirit that was there started to kind of leave. And it was like this state where she was still saying things. And I think when that spirit left, there was still a few others that were trying to talk. So it was a lot of nonsense in between. And we finally made it to the backyard. And I remember it's like a summer night, so it's like, really nice temperature, and, like, it was the moon. And, like, I felt like going to the open air. It really felt like going into a different dimension from what the living room was. And I remember I looked up to the sky, and I was just like, please, please, like, make it stop. You know, like, I didn't want anything else. And then my mom looks at me, and I can see that there's someone else there. And I was like, please, no. Like, please, please, no. This cannot keep happening. And she looks at me and she says, I'm your dad. And I told him, please, you have to leave. My mom is, like, really tired. And he's like, he tells me, like, in very, like, it was like a very coherent sentence compared to what was happened before, he tells me, I know I am going to be quick. I'm just here because I want to say congratulations in your engagement. I'm very happy and I'm very proud of you, and I just want to give you a hug. And then we hugged. I hugged my mom, and basically I hugged him for the first time. And then he left, and my mom was back. I think when he came through, and I could clearly see there was one more spirit in her, my first reaction was like, no. Like, no, I didn't want anyone else. You know, I was just. I just wanted my mom. And she told me, I'm your dad. And the first thing I told him, before he could even talk, I was like, please leave. Like, please. And he said, I'll be very quick. You know, I know, like, I'll be quick. And then I, I think, like, I was just so, so shocked and so surprised. Like, I never expected that, you know, that was going to happen to me. Like, I think until then I thought of my dad, okay, as he's dead, I never met him. And I mean, I, I, I was sure, like, he was like a great spirit. But, like, you know, like, I never even dreamed with him. Because I think. I don't know. I don't know why, but I guess it's because I don't have any memories. So it's hard to dream. So it's something that I wasn't expecting, and I'm not used to it. Yeah, it was, like, a complete surprise. But when he said that he just wanted to congratulate me and embrace me, that's when I think, like, for the first time, it was, like, developing a relationship with him. Like something that was between the two of us. Even though it was, like, a very brief moment and, you know, it was my mom who I was talking to. For me, it really felt like that has been the only time where I really got the privilege to experience my dad in a direct way. So someone that is gone and that I never met. After that, I kind of, like, let myself enjoy that moment and hug him. And then I told him again that, you know, my mom was exhausted. And he said, yes, I'm leaving. And it was very fast. Like, he immediately left. And, you know, I think my mom, she just looked at me and we hugged again. Like, we didn't talk about, you know, who that was. I think something in her knew that whatever had happened had been important to me because I was crying, and she was crying, too. I told her that it had been my dad, the last one, and she just hugged me again. I think it was hard to, you know, keep putting it into words in that moment. We just had to embrace each other and kind of show love to each other, because I don't think, like, any of us had ever thought this was possible. And, yeah, it was very hard to put into words. And I honestly, at the moment, didn't feel the need to. I just wanted to enjoy whatever that was. I feel like when sometimes when you put something into words, you're rationalizing whatever that was. And then, like, I didn't even want to think about it, because I was like, if I think about it, I'm gonna try to find an explanation. And I just want to be in this moment. And I was also happy that my mom was back. I was very relieved that the whole experience of the night had ended. And I remember we stayed out, like, for a few minutes, kind of, like, breathing the air, the fresh air. And then we laughed because we realized that we had probably been very loud. And, you know, we always try to be. To face things with humor. And we're like, we probably have terrorized the whole house. I wondered, oh, my God, what am I gonna tell Noah tomorrow? I'm sure he heard all the screams and the nonsense, and he must be in the bedroom, like, wondering what the hell is happening out there. So I remember we had a good laugh about it. And then we went inside. I went to bed, and it was already late. It was, like, after midnight. And he was, in fact, awake. And he was like, what was happening? He asked me. Like, he told me that he heard screaming. And I was like, I'll tell you tomorrow, but everything's okay. I didn't want to tell him anything that night, and we didn't talk about it until the next day. So the next morning when we woke up, we were still in bed. I told him that my mom had basically channeled my father's spirit and that he was saying congratulations to us and that there was some other spirit at some moment who said that he was a good man. And, you know, that was my great grandfather. So he was like, oh, I guess he was really happy to hear that he had my father's blessing. You know, he was, like, very happy about that. And then I explained this side of my family. Like, I talk about more about this, and, like, you know, like, I told him that this wasn't the first time, and he was incredibly accepting of it. You know, like, he didn't look at me weird or questioned anything. He was just more curious about how it had felt or how it was, you know, I think it also consolidated more our relationship that he wasn't spooked after this. I think my mom maybe felt, you know, like, a bit embarrassed the next morning. Like, I don't know if she thought he was gonna look at her differently. But, you know, like, after breakfast, I think we just all talk about it, like, very openly and everybody relaxed then, you know, my dad, my stepdad always starts making jokes. And it's kind of like it brings us certain normalcy of, oh, this is something that happens in our lives, and it's okay. It's part of who we are. So that's, I think, how we embrace it. You know, it's like, not in a heavy way of, like, oh, my God, you know, your mom has been possessed by spirits. But I think it's more of, like, accepting of this is something that may or might not happen sometimes. And it's something that she probably was born with, something that is in my family. And it's a good thing. It's a good thing. It's not something that we are actively looking for or trying to do, but I consider that it's more of, like, a strength of us to know that we always have these spirits surrounding us and we can always seek strength or company in them, and to know that we can also have an impact in them. Like we can forgive them or we can help them realize something. There's not it's not that unidirectional way of communicating is a conversation. I think that's for me, like the best way of saying all this is like having people that even though they they're not in your physical life, they are there with you. And when they write, moment happens and when you really need them, they will be there for you. It's kind of like they will show up for you.
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Voice of Bart Simpson on Simpsons Declassified, we're diving into the mysteries that keep the Simpsons forever young.
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Have you ever wondered how the Simpsons.
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Regularly predict something Future events? Who better to ask than the show's.
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Okay my name is Cecilia Rivas Tornay. I was born in Cuba. I am an engineer, industrial engineer. My experience with spiritism started as a child when my family took me to a spiritist center in town. That's where I witnessed a lot of senses. It was very surprising to me. I would have never expected something like this to happen because for me, this was something that belonged to my grandmother. It was something that she did, experiences that I heard from other people. I never expected this to happen to me. This was something that my grandma believed. So for me, being in a trance or talking with someone or something that wasn't in this dimension was completely out of the realm of Possibility. When we got into that room, we were just praying for my nephew. We just wanted to visualize him healthy, send him good energy and kind of like help his recovery through our thoughts. All that we were doing was praying and talking. When we started praying, I tried to empty my mind and make my mind blank. And after a moment, I started feeling this tingly sensation coming up my arms. It was an energy that I never felt before. I tried to reach out to the person who was next to me to hold hands, but at that point, I couldn't even remember who they were. I just remember that the person, whoever it was, wouldn't hold my hand. I just heard them saying, oh, my God, your hand is so hot. And then I started feeling this weird pain in my chest and I couldn't breathe. My vision was blurry, and I could sense some light in the room. But the light had different tones of white. The light became brighter, and the people in the room became shapes behind the light. I still felt like myself, but suddenly it felt like someone else came into me. And there were words coming out of my mouth, words that I wasn't speaking. And I could hear myself talk, almost like I am hearing you talk right now. It was almost like there were two people in my head or I had two consciousness. I could hear my own voice talking, but I wasn't in control. It was almost like watching a scene of a movie. I could understand what I was saying, but I wasn't the one.
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Doing.
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Was really physically exhausting for me. I could hear people in the room asking, who are you? Who are you? I could hear my own mom asking me if I was her mom. I could hear myself talking, saying all sorts of things, but I wasn't in control. It was very confusing for me. And everybody in the room just wanted to know who was the person speaking through my voice. And they were pulling me in different directions. On top of that, I could hear my mom talking to her own mom with my words in my own voice. It was so, so confusing. I had no idea that I was moving so much. They told me later that I was twitching and that my head was going from one side to the other. But in the moment, I didn't know. This was so exhausting for my brain. It felt like my brain was on overload. I never felt something like that before. Just like the trance began, it started fading away. I could feel the tingly sensation and the energy fading and the temperature went down. At this point, I had the craziest feeling in my arms, and it started to go away, but my chest was in a lot, a lot of pain. And that feeling didn't go away. Eventually someone gave me a glass of water and I remember somebody starting to massage my shoulders. I never, ever thought this was going to happen, especially to me. I'm an engineer, I'm a scientist. My mindset at the time was very focused on the material reality around me. And even though this happened to my grandmother, I didn't really believe in this. On top of that, in Cuba at the time, nobody really believed in these things. I mean, I never talked about any of this with my friends or my colleagues. Now I look at it as something positive because it opened a whole new world for me. I definitely became more open minded after this first experience. But it wasn't something that I thought of every day until it happened again nine years after that. At that time, my daughter Cecilia was there with her new fiance. And my mom was also visiting and a niece. So I just wanted to pray and thank you. Thanks the spirits, for all the good things that were happening to us. So we gathered in the living room and sat down holding my mom's book. While we were praying, I started to think about the spirits of my family, expressing my gratitude to them. I wasn't thinking about a trance or getting a spirit into me. This was nine years later and my first experience was in the past. I thought it was the one and only time. And then all of a sudden, I started feeling that same familiar tingling from before. And before I even knew what was happening. I was in this room with dozens of spirits trying to talk. I recognized my great uncle was there and my grandma. And I could also hear different voices that I did not recognize. But I started to distinguish some familiar people between them. It was like being on a crowded room in a party. And then you start hearing people that you recognize and you focus on them. I started to feel the energy of some of the spirits in the room. And some of them were really heavy. Sometimes you can feel the pain or the anxiety of the spirits. But the presence of my great uncle, Manolo Lopez, felt like a lighter energy, almost comforting. I don't mean to imply that the spirits with heavier energy are or were bad people, but somehow you can feel the way they died. And sometimes violence can be more violent or more shocking to the people when they die. And you can definitely feel that when they're in the spirit form and you feel that in your own body. You feel pain or you feel like certain sensations around certain areas that are very specific to each spirit. All of a Sudden, someone else took over. Someone with a very heavy energy that came along with a lot of physical pain. And I recognized it was my own dad. I felt the compulsive need of moving my legs and my arms and kind of twisting them. My head was also shaking. It was something out of, like, all this energy I had in my body that it was so heavy that my body was trying to express itself in different ways. I felt the need to stand up, but I couldn't. My legs were not strong enough. He came in very aggressively, and he wanted to say a million things per second. I couldn't keep up. I was trying to put one foot in front of the other, but it was impossible. He was trying to apologize to my mom and myself for many things that happened during our childhood and our life, for being an absent father. And I remember people saying that he was forgiven, but he kept talking like he was talking but not listening. At that point, my daughter and my niece were very scared because things were getting out of control and I couldn't come back to myself. I remember my daughter Cecilia and my niece lift me up from the couch and help me to walk outside. I was feeling very weak and kind of like being in and out of the trance. By the time we made it to the backyard and I was able to get some fresh air, I felt like it was the end. But then a new spirit came in. It was the spirit of my late husband, Cecilia's father. When I opened my eyes and I remember he said, oh, is a beautiful house.
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I remember.
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It's the only sentence I can remember. I was so surprised that he showed up. I could have never expected that. And I didn't think that he could pass through me. It's hard to even remember what was happening. I just remember feeling calm. This was a kinder energy in me, but I don't remember what was said. My daughter Cecilia and her father were speaking through me, and I was just in shock. In this trance, the part of me that was there started to slip away more. And this was just a moment for my daughter and her father. I think they were meant to have this very intimate connection. This is such a fuzzy memory for me. I think he completely took over in that moment. When I finally came out of the trance, the first thing that I remember was seeing my daughter Cecilia crying. But I didn't know why. I was so exhausted and everything was so foggy. I don't think I realized until later on how impactful this was for Cecilia in the moment. I was just in the experience. But I didn't have time to reflect on it before this. I was blocked. I'm an engineer. This wasn't my thing. This was my grandmother's thing. But I never thought I had the skills to do something like that. Since then, I become more open minded and. And I think anybody has the power of doing these kind of things if they open their minds, if they are willing to connect with their intuition. We all have answers inside of us. And I always tell my kids that they can look inside and they will find what they're looking for. They don't need to go to a psychic or to go to another person to tell them things that they already know. The truth is, I would have never thought of giving an interview and telling this story. But now that I'm doing it, I feel that this is important and it's a way of honoring my ancestors. They use their gifts to help so many people. And I was too scared of doing that myself. And I'm still scared. But this is a way of honoring them for the work that they did. I always knew that my dad had died and I never met him.
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And somehow I grew up used to hearing stories about him, but I never really tried to connect.
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I don't know why.
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Maybe when my dad died, we didn't recover his body.
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So I think that part made for.
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Me very difficult to kind of like establish a connection with him. Because the physical part of like, even like his remains were not there. So there wasn't like a grave or anything that I could go visit. It just made it so abstract. And this experience kind of like added a body to it, even if it was my mom's. But just to feel that I could hug him. It kind of like gave me that part of the relationship that was missing. And I feel more complete. I remember thinking as a kid, like, if I saw my dad's ghost, I would be very scared. So I didn't want that to happen. And I always kept my dad kind of like out of range, to put it. Somehow after that, I lost that fear, you know? Like now I think if I saw his ghost or his spirit somewhere in my house, maybe I wouldn't be so scared. Because it's like we know each other more.
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I mean, growing up and hearing about.
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This, it just kind of becomes like folklore in a way. Or at least for me. It was like, oh, you know, you hear these experiences happened to someone. Like someone went to a scene. I always had in the back of my mind the idea that it wasn't.
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Real, that everything could be explained one way or another, even if the person.
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Was not faking it. I thought, you know, maybe they are making up their own reality. But I didn't think, okay, you know, there's like a spirit that's actually in this person. I was like, this has to be some sort of like self conviction kind of thing. But when it happened to my mom, I saw with my own eyes that it was something that she didn't intend to do or that she couldn't control. When she said, I'm your dad and I just want to give you a hug, it kind of like made the moment in time freeze. I couldn't believe that this was happening. And this was like kind of the moment that I always was scared of. And in a way, that fear became a sense of like home and peace. It transformed the way I thought about.
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My relationship with him.
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And now it's not. It's like, oh, he's just a story from other people. But I see him as something that actually belongs to myself. And I think that's one of the biggest changes in my life.
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Thank you so much to Cecilia and her mother for sharing this experience. This was a really incredible one for me to hear and work on for multiple reasons. I actually ended up meeting Cecilia in person during the course of making this series, which is rare. But it was very cool to meet face to face. I think for me, Cecilia's story is a great example of how the supernatural, no matter whether you believe in it or not, can have a major impact on people's lives in very unexpected ways. It seems like Cecilia's dad was an amazing person and I'm very glad that she had the chance to meet him again, even if it happened in a way that she may have never thought possible. In a way that might be a little hard to explain to other people. Also, we're going to be doing a follow up to these episodes on Patreon this week. I'm going to be joined by Shannon Taggart as well as Celia herself to discuss these episodes and spiritism. You could check that out@patreon.com Otherworld this has been the Spiritist Part 2 and you've been listening to Otherworld. Otherworld is executive producer, produced and hosted by myself, Jack Wagner. This episode was produced by Haley Pearson. Our theme song is by Cobra Man. The soundtrack of this episode is by Juice, Jackal and North Americans. This episode was edited by Haley Pearson and engineered by Theo Schaeffer. Our artwork is by Cul de Sac Studios. Nikki Kate Delgado is our associate producer. Please show us your support by subscribing, leaving a five star review, and telling your friends about Otherworld. If you want to hear bonus episodes of the show, become a patron@patreon.com Otherworld Our social media is TheWorldPod. Thank you to the team at Odysee Leah Rhys Dennis, Rob Morandi, Eric Donnelly, Maura Curran, Kate Rose, Colin Gaynor, Michael lavey, Josephina Francis, and Hilary Schuff. Follow and listen to Otherworld now for free on the Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts. And finally, if you or somebody you know has experienced something paranormal, supernatural or unexplained, you could send us your story at stories atotherworldpod. Com.