Otherworld – Episode 143: The Granny Flat Pt. 2

Release Date: October 29, 2025
Host: Jack Wagner
Primary Guests: David, Steven, Linda (their mother)

Episode Overview

In this deeply personal and unsettling episode, Jack Wagner continues the saga of David and Steven, two brothers who, along with their family, endured years of escalating paranormal torment in their suburban "granny flat." The story picks up after the events of Part 1, where an ominous presence entered their lives following the arrival of Steven’s girlfriend, Casey. Over years, the entity’s malevolence wore down each family member, manifesting as terrifying dreams, apparent possessions, physical threats, and ongoing trauma well into adulthood.

Wagner deftly threads together firsthand accounts from David, Steven, and their mother Linda to explore not just the frightening phenomena, but also the emotional aftermath, resilience, and eventual healing—offering a haunting meditation on how the extraordinary can devastate ordinary lives.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Entity’s Escalation, Family Trauma, and “The Ugly Man”

• Nightmarish Visions and Attacks:

  • Linda, the boys’ mother, recounts vivid, waking nightmares featuring an entity with a shifting face, often threatening her children’s lives.
    • “It came... like a black cloak... the face was constantly changing. Every face was scary and just filled me with so much fear.” – Linda (04:36)
  • She describes spiritual and practical defenses: shouting at the presence and visualizing protective white light around her children to thwart its influence.

• Children Targeted:

  • Linda’s youngest son, Harry (age 6), speaks of “the ugly man” visiting him, attempting to scare him and appearing with mud coming out of his mouth in a school bathroom mirror.
    • “He saw a man standing behind him with mud coming out of his mouth. I just remember having shivers.” – Steven (09:09)

• Physical Manifestation and Protective Instincts:

  • Steven describes a chilling incident where he encounters a white, dissolving hand clutching a doorknob as he tries to reach his brother Harry, who says he is “talking to ugly man.” Steven’s guilt and anger at the entity’s targeting of his younger brother are palpable.

Possession-like States, Violence, and the Role of Friends

• Possession and Induced Violence:

  • Both brothers and friends repeatedly exhibit uncharacteristic, violent moods, notably an episode where family friend Paul suddenly screams, “I want to kill you” at Steven.
    • “It was like he wasn’t behind his eyes anymore. There was something else there.” – David (14:38)
  • Another friend, Frank, appears to enter a trance, attempting to grab a box cutter with the apparent intent to harm before being subdued.

• Cycles of Normalcy and Fear:

  • The family repeatedly attempts to return to normal life but are interrupted by inexplicable events—objects moving, oppressive atmospheres, and random outbursts of aggression.

The Presence of Birds & Symbolism

• Uncanny Bird Incidents:
  • Linda finds mutilated, dead crows inside her locked car, accompanied by feelings of supernatural dread, which the brothers interpret as further manifestations of the entity.
    • “There was like three dead birds inside her car... all the windows were up. What the fuck?” – Steven (19:00)
  • Steven receives the message that the entity “can turn into a crow.” Shortly after, he and David burn a whiskey box labeled “Old Crow” in a defiant improvised ritual, hearing screams as it burns.

Lingering Psychological Aftereffects & (Attempted) Closure

• Aftermath and Coping:

  • For years, David suffers panic attacks and self-harm to distract from the entity’s influence.
    • “The fear of me being taken over... was enough to make me hit myself.” – David (25:00)
  • The brothers struggle to integrate these experiences, sometimes questioning their own sanity.

• Life Moves On, But the Presence Remains:

  • With time, the haunting largely subsides but leaves a psychological scar. Attempts to repress the trauma shape their young adulthood.

Adult Life: Recurrence, Exorcism, and Final Healing

• The Past Returns:

  • Steven, reflecting on his toxic relationships, fears the entity’s continued malign influence.
  • While visiting a friend's church, Steven is publicly accused of bringing a demon. An impromptu exorcism follows, during which Steven experiences physical and emotional sensations paralleling his teenage torment.
    • “He came with, like, a booming voice and said, get this demon out of this boy... I felt like something was getting sucked out of my hand.” – Steven (35:45)
  • Steven admits ambivalence about being rid of the entity—it feels part of him, and he struggles to let it go.

• True Resolution Through Meditation:

  • Years later, amid his daughter’s health crisis, Steven turns to meditation (using the Monroe tapes). He experiences an out-of-body vision, confronting the entity as both demon and a broken part of himself.
    • “It was like saying goodbye to a big part of my life... but I knew it was not serving me. It had just been dragging me down... It was finally gone.” – Steven (46:10)
  • He describes a powerful emotional release and, for the first time, a sense that he is free.

• Enduring Impact & Reflections on Casey:

  • Both brothers encounter Casey once more by chance, finding she appears ordinary—not the supernatural villain she’d become in their narrative.
  • “She looked a lot more just like an innocent, normal person than I remembered... I have no ill will. I hope she’s doing well.” – Steven (50:47)
  • David reflects that whether intentional or not, Casey’s arrival irrevocably altered their lives, awakening “a spiritual side” but also leaving pain and confusion lingering long after.

Memorable Quotes and Notable Moments

[04:36] Linda recounts a terrifying vision:

“It’s like it had, like, a black cloak... the face was constantly changing, and it was horrible... took me into a graveyard and showed me my son Stevie’s grave... He was basically taunting me and saying he’s gonna die. We’re gonna get him.”

[09:09] Steven’s conversation with Harry:

“He saw a man standing behind him with mud coming out of his mouth. I just remember having shivers, like even right now talking about it. It made me feel so sick.”

[14:38] David about Paul’s strange transformation:

“It was like he wasn’t behind his eyes anymore. There was something else there that was looking at me. Just like a murderous sort of look in its face.”

[19:00 & 19:50] Steven on finding dead birds:

“There was like three dead birds inside her car... all the windows were up. What the fuck?”
“There was like blood on them... something had cut them or something.”

[21:23] Steven receives a message:

“The voice... told me that this evil entity can manifest as a crow. And... we looked at the shelf and there was a picture of a crow... I immediately just had the feeling like, we need to get rid of this. We need to burn this.”

[25:00] David on self-injury:

“The fear of me being taken over by this thing, this evil entity, was more... It was more of a sacrifice than me physically being hurt at that time.”

[35:45] Steven’s exorcism:

“He came in with, like, a booming voice and said, ‘Demon, get out of this boy.’... I felt like something was getting sucked out into this priest’s hand.”

[46:10] Steven’s final out-of-body confrontation:

“It was like saying goodbye to a big part of my life... but I knew it was not serving me. It had just been dragging me down... It was finally gone.”

[50:47] Steven, after seeing Casey again:

“She looked a lot more just like an innocent, normal person than I remembered... I have no ill will towards her. I just wish her all the best.”

[53:47] David on the lasting impact:

“It’s just, like, sort of can be a bit unsettling, I guess, to like, think that there’s negative entities that can, like, really fuck with you if they want to.”

Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:12 – 02:28: Recap; setting the stakes, presence enters the family’s life
• 04:36 – 08:06: Linda’s dream attacks and protective rituals
• 09:09 – 12:00: “Ugly man” haunts youngest son; physical manifestations
• 14:28 – 18:51: Violence among friends; possession-like behavior
• 19:00 – 21:23: Dead birds in Linda’s car; the crow symbolism
• 21:23 – 26:53: Burning the crow effigy; emotional and psychological aftermath
• 29:13 – 30:48: Moving forward, lingering darkness post-high school
• 31:45 – 36:34: Steven’s exorcism experience at church
• 43:10 – 50:39: Healing through meditation and out-of-body experiences
• 50:47 – 53:47: Final encounter with Casey; reflection on causality and meaning

Overall Tone and Takeaway

The Granny Flat Pt. 2 is raw, sometimes graphic, and consistently honest in its exploration of how the unexplained can upend—and eventually, with time and hard work—cede to healing. The constant thread is the unresolved question: did something supernatural truly haunt this family, or did trauma and suggestion spiral into lasting psychological distress? By the end, David and Steven both opt for cautious acceptance, acknowledging the past but focusing on the lives (and families) they’ve built despite it. Their journey is ultimately one of survival, self-reconciliation, and letting go, even if “moving on” is a gradual and incomplete process.

Host Jack Wagner’s Closing Reflection:
"At a certain point, if you hold on to this stuff for too long, it becomes your problem to deal with, not the person who caused it. Which is, I think, exactly what David ended up realizing." (55:08)

If you or someone you know has experienced something paranormal or unexplained, Otherworld invites you to share your story at stories@otherworldpod.com.