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Jack Wagner
Welcome to Otherworld. I'm your host Jack Wagner. This episode features two stories that both revolve around DIY bands and recording. If you aren't familiar with that term or the DIY music scene, this stands for do it yourself and it's sort of an all encompassing term for independent bands, venues, record labels, and various projects run by friends in a specific area, usually with very little money. A DIY venue where you might see a show is often a giant old house or a warehouse with way too many people living in it. Lots of people coming and going all the time out of town, bands crashing on couches who are on tour around the country playing at other very similar DIY spaces in different cities, usually just making enough money to pay for gas to get between these various venues. This is all to say that anyone who has been a part of a scene like this can tell you that completely insane things are happening all the time. Like real life non paranormal things that are harder to believe than any ghost story you might hear on this show if you weren't there to witness it yourself. So much so that a supernatural experience occurring in a place like this might be only the third or fourth weirdest thing going on at any given day in a place like this, which adds an interesting layer to the stories you're about to hear. The first one comes from a guy named Boy who is a producer and audio engineer from Toronto, and in this story they're recording their roommate's band in a barn that they rented outside of town. The second story is an interview I did a long, long time ago about two guys living in a DIY house where somebody tried to use chaos magic to summon an entity named Ramona to make music. This episode is called Phantom Channel and you're listening to Other World.
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Xavier
Hello, is this Bobby?
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Jack Wagner
Yes, it is at its core the science you can't argue with.
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Xavier
I'm worried about all of a sudden up in the sky.
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Beau
It's almost frustrating that it's happening.
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Connor
I'm gonna die. His limbs were just like wrong.
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Beau
Everybody Moves back into the light, even.
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Jack Wagner
If it takes them a.
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Beau
I'm Beau. I'm a music producer and audio engineer based out of Toronto, Canada. I've been working in music and audio post production for almost 10 years and I make records with people and that's my job. I'm grateful to do what I do. Being an audio engineer is a really varied and technical and also creative profession. It means that I'm recording people. It means that I'm recording everything from. I've done dialogue voiceovers for TV shows, I've done big bands, I've done orchestral and string quartet recording. I've done a lot of rap and singing and I love working as a vocal producer. It's varied in terms of what I do, job to job, and that's part of why I love it. And it keeps you creative. You have to stay up to date on everything technical and it's really focused on telling other people's stories. That's part of what drew me to it and that's a really rewarding thing to get to do. I work with different bands in Toronto. It's one of the things that I really like to do. We actually throw shows in my house. I live in a sort of DIY queer punk house venue in the east end of Toronto called the Arcade. So my roommate, who I live at the Arcade with, is named Tim and Tim's a drummer. Tim has drummed for different bands and formed a band called Crocus with some friends of theirs. And they had talked to me, this was last summer, so just exactly a year ago, Tim had told me that they were looking at wanting to go and record their band's ep. Crocus music is kind of like shoegaze, doom gaze, sort of like a lot of bass and heavy. I'd been to their shows and I really loved their sound. And so when Tim asked me to possibly work with their band on recording their first ep, I got really excited about that right from the get. They had been talking about wanting to go out of town to record. The thing about living in Toronto and southern Ontario is there's a lot of really beautiful places out of the city. Converted barns, converted churches. There's a lot of rural pockets that people move to, places like Prince Edward county and Guelph, that people wind up building or converting beautiful spaces into recording studios or mixing studios. And that's what they were looking at doing. I think for the band. They were all really busy and so being able to set the time aside for the four of them was meaningful for Them. So, yeah, they approached me for that. And there's a lot of, like, planning that you kind of go into a recording session with, especially when you have a fixed amount of time. So part of my role being both the engineer and the producer, co producing the CP with Krokus, meant that we were planning on being there for two days. And we were going to cut four songs. We were only going to be up for Friday and Saturday and then leaving on Sunday. We drove up really early Friday morning, and I drove up with my roommate Tim, the drummer, and Crocus bassist Jess. And then Jordan and Jesse are the guitarist and the vocalist, respectively. So we're going to this barn. Jess had already recorded there before. This barn was on a beautiful plot of land close to, like, within a few hours of the city. And so we arrived sometime around 11 or 12 and started setting up. The barn was really big. I think this barn, they sometimes have little concerts in it. And there's a lot of vintage and I think sort of secondhand antique furniture that they store in it, which was really beautiful. As I walked through the space, I wouldn't say I'm like a super medium or anything like that, but I would say I like. I pick up on vibes a little bit. And there's a couple of little sort of pockets. Specifically when we were setting up drums, there's one of those sliding doors behind the drums that were kind of on this plinth. Kind of felt like there was something behind the door that obviously was just storage. It didn't feel weird or in a distressing way. It just felt like we were guests in this very old space. By the end of that sort of first day, I think we went until at least 10 or 11 at night. We were all pretty tired, and so we crashed in a nearby building. And so by day two, we were up setting up in the morning, we were drinking lots of coffee, had some breakfast, and we started tracking guitars. We set up Jordan's, had these two big amp cabs, and I mic'd them up as Jordan's tracking guitars. This wasn't right when we started, but it was close. It was close to when we started. Jess and I look at each other because Jordan's playing and we're sort of hearing what sounds like somebody talking. But it. It was at a really low level. It was kind of like murmuring. And then it would be sort of like, I hear this. Like, that's the best impression I can give. Like, some things down a hall, like, you know, when you hear a conversation that's happening on a different floor of a house or something, and you can just hear it sort of carrying through the vents, but it's just quiet enough that you can tell that something's saying something, somebody's saying something, but it's out of earshot, so you can't make it out. And that was what was coming up when we were listening on the headphones as Jordan was recording guitars. And that was what was bothering me, is we've got these big amp stacks. Jordan's playing these really loud, you know, stacks of thick, low guitar tone. And then we're hearing this sort of murmur underneath that. If you're an engineer, an audio engineer, I'll. I'll explain that. There's this thing that happens with cell phones and with radio signal called RF or interference, which for in like, layman's terms is basically like microphones or gear or wiring picking up sound or waves from elsewhere. So that could be AM or FM radio signal. That could be stuff that's kind of picking up, causing these, like. Which is what it sounds like through analog gear with phones or laptops or iPads. But this didn't sound like any of that. I've picked up radio noise. And the studio owner also told us that he'd never had issues recording where there was radio interference. So we stopped Jordan as he's tracking, because I have to check. It's part of my job to make sure that the recording is going to be usable. So I play it back, and there's nothing that sounds like what Jess and I were hearing through these headphone boxes. So then I think, well, maybe it's just the headphones. I don't know. I just sort of. At that point, I'm nodding and I'm looking at my talent, which is the guitarist, and I'm thinking, okay, I've got to keep this ball rolling where this isn't actually affecting the quality of the audio. So we can keep rolling. So that's what we do. It's pretty prominent, this sort of murmuring. Jordan's not hearing it, Tim's not hearing it. Only Jess and I are hearing it on our headphones. We swap headphones, doesn't fix it. Swap boxes, doesn't fix it. We're just like, all right, we're just going to keep rolling. So we cut all the guitars, we cut a bunch of really cool layers, some feedback, all this stuff that's really helping the music sound really beefy and good. And I'm stoked because it's really nice to have a bunch of layers for mixing later for something like that. That's part of what makes records sound really full and less like demos. And so then we transition over to starting to cut vocals. And for anybody who's worked with a vocalist, that usually means that you want the vocalist to feel comfortable. We want to minimize like too many cooks in the kitchen. So Tim and Jordan were really sweet and they were like, you know what, Jesse, we'll let you and Jess and Beau kind of have this space. So they drove into town and they were going to get us dinner and stuff. And so we start tracking vocals. This barn is real big and I'm set up with pro tools and the computer and stuff that I'm using in this back corner of this barn. And I'm facing into the barn, I'm facing at the doors. I can see everything from where I'm sitting in the corner. So Jesse, the singer who has the most beautiful, crystal clear, powerful soprano singing voice, just an incredible vocalist. And I was really excited to be diving into this with her, knowing that we couldn't, we didn't have to feel pressure to get the leads and doubles for every song done that day. So Jess is sitting in this wingback armchair with my dog on her lap. And then Jesse is sitting a little bit in front between us holding the mic. And we do a couple songs. We decide what parts we're going to record later, what she feels good cutting now. And then we sort of dive into the third song. And the song is talking about breaches of consent. And so I think the subject matter in the song and the melody itself follows that feeling of grief and anger and sort of the complex nuances of going through something that feels violating and hard. But it's very beautiful. The melody is very haunting. So she's just finished writing a lot of these lyrics and is sort of sounding out the melody for this song. And you know when someone's singing really close to you, they might not feel comfortable with you sort of staring at them. So I turn around in my chair, I'm facing out into the barn. And Jess, who's sitting in the chair, she's facing me so she can see my face. And I look up at the door. Cause I see this movement sort of out of the corner of my eye as Jesse singing. And it's not Tim and Jordan. It's something entirely different. When I look at the door, what I'm seeing is not a person. It just looks like this eight or nine foot hooded or sort of cowled shadow is just standing there. The Closest comparison I can make is it looks like a shrouded sort of Nazgul type of figure from Lord of the Rings. It doesn't look like it's sucking up the light around it in the way that people will often describe shadow things in different ways. You could still see the light behind it. There was a lamp on, you know, close to the front of the barn. It was. Seemed hooded. I couldn't see its face. I couldn't see eyes or a mouth or hands, but it seemed just very physically there, as if somebody was wearing a thick, very dark, opaque black cowled cloak. But it was very tall, and it was just this very large shadow figure. And I didn't see sleeves. It didn't move its hands. It was sort of standing behind this large post or beam that was structurally holding up that part of the roof. And then it just looked like it had physical weight. It didn't look like it was hovering or flying or floating or anything like that. It did really seem like it was sort of standing there. And I just stare at it. I'm so. I think there's that moment when you see something and you. You. It's like getting doused with cold water or something where you realize what you thought you saw is not what's happening, and your brain's going really fast. That's what was happening. For me, I'm trying to make sense of it. I'm realizing I'm having a supernatural or paranormal experience in this moment. And my first thought is, well, I don't want to ruin the vocal take, so I think I probably gasped, but I think I covered my mouth. And at that point, probably only after a few seconds of me staring at the thing and seeing it and processing that it's not Tim and Jordan, the thing sort of. It didn't twitch, but it's like it noticed that I was looking at it. And very quickly, it sort of zips into the corner of the building. And it was like 8 or 9ft tall. So it's this. If I had blinked, it would have been there and then gone in the space of me blinking. But I was staring at it, gobsmacked and totally shocked. So I saw it do this sort of zip thing into the corner where the kitchenette was, and it was gone. It wasn't like the light around it changed. There wasn't any other movement. It was as if it had maybe just come too close. And Jess, who was sitting in the chair and had watched my face or noticed me, just says to me, you look like you Saw a ghost. You're so pale. Are you okay? And I said, I think I did. And both Jess and Jesse went, oh, my God, no. Where?
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Jack Wagner
What?
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Beau
And they both stood up. And I, at this point, I think I was shaking a little bit. And I just did the normal thing that you see in every trope of a horror movie or thriller movie where the person raises their finger, their shaking hand, and points in the area where they saw the thing and they both went, oh, what did it look like? It's a little bit of a blur for me. I don't remember what I said. I think I probably just said it was standing there. It was tall. It wasn't Jordan. And I thought it was Tim and Jordan, and it wasn't. So we are all standing and staring at where I saw it. I sort of took a breath and I walked over there. And Jess and Jesse are both telling me, don't go over there. What are you doing? What are you doing? Don't go over there. But I walked over there because it didn't feel malevolent. And I out loud said, we understand that we're guests here on this land and in this space, and we've come here to make something beautiful and create something you can. Listen. We're not saying you can't observe this, whatever you are, but please don't interrupt again so that we can finish what we want to finish today, because we're really close to being done, and I really want to finish the cp. And I think I might have thanked it or I might have said, you know, just give us another few hours and then we'll be leaving tomorrow. And then I walked back and sat down and we did the last take, and I think we moved on to the last song after that. Then when Tim and Jordan came back, that was an extra jump scare for me because then they actually opened the barn door and brought in pizza or whatever they brought, and we ate dinner. I think I told them about it, but both of them are pretty practical and logical people, so we didn't dwell on it that much, especially because it was dark and. And a little foggy, and we were all going to sleep one more night there before driving back. And that's. That's what we did. It was so surprising. And that's what sets it apart from some of the other energetic experiences that I've gotten to hold or feel in my life already. And it didn't feel evil. It was just other. It was just different. And, yeah, Jess, I think, sent a voice note to her friend the Day after we got back, explaining what happened, and I think I told my mom, we talked to the studio owner who lives there, and he was like, oh, yeah, we've had some stuff, but that's sort of a cut above the rest. You know, people have maybe heard things or, you know, talked about feeling a certain energy or something, but he's like, we haven't. We haven't gotten a lot of visible appearances. It's. It just sort of. You. You just sort of chalk it up to something that you can't explain. And I guess I'm grateful that it wasn't. That it didn't feel scary. And I'm glad that nothing stopped us from being able to keep. Keep working on the songs for the next couple of hours after. After it finished.
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Jack Wagner
Bo, this better not be some kind of elaborate viral marketing attempt for the band Crocus right now.
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Beau
It's really not. And I will tell you, Jack, they're probably gonna break up. So please, like. And they're like, so indie, and they're like. And you can cut. You can cut the band out. Like, it's really not, uh, like, it's not that. It was. I think the. The combination of this, like, empty old space that just felt spooky and this very beautiful, grief laden, singular voice just singing something so emotive that just. That just pushed something through, you know, like, it. Like I was crying listening to Jesse sing. Like, it was so emotional. I haven't been back. I would be curious to go back. I'm maybe a little nervous. Feel like I would have to walk around and, like, say hello to everything again in case anything was gonna pop up again.
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Jack Wagner
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Beau
Hey there. We're Corinne Vien and Sabrina Diana Roga, here to introduce our newest podcast, Crimes of a Crime House.
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Blue Apron Narrator
Original Crimes of is a weekly series that explores a new theme each season from Crimes of the Paranormal, Unsolved Murders, and more. Our first season is Crimes of Infamy, the true crime stories behind Hollywood's most iconic horror villains.
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Beau
Listen to and follow Crimes of Available now wherever you get your podcasts.
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Jack Wagner
Okay, the next one you're about to hear was recorded a long, long time ago, long before Otherworld even existed, all the way back in 2019. After hearing the story from Bo, I instantly remembered this one and decided to dig through some old hard drives to find it. As you probably know, my interest in the paranormal is fairly new. I hosted a comedy show before this and did a bunch of other things. None of them were very spooky, and the first paranormal stories that were told to me and caught my attention were ones that were presented to me in a comedic way, like something funny or bizarre occurred in addition to the paranormal part, which was kind of secondary. I always found that really eerie because I would be laughing but in the back of my head thinking, wait, it's kind of incredible that this actually happened to them. Are they being serious right now? The combination of the two was very unsettling, and I think that's part of what piqued my interest in this stuff in the first place. This is one of those stories. It was told to me in a very lighthearted way. It's a very strange and funny story, but the situation itself is quite creepy. Like I said, it was recorded seven years ago, and it comes from two guys named Xavier and Connor who were living in a noise house in Massachusetts at the time.
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Xavier
All right, well, my name is Xavier, this is Connor, and I think this happened. How long ago do you think this was? Like a month ago?
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Connor
Maybe about a month ago? Yeah.
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Xavier
Yeah, it was a month ago in Weymouth, Massachusetts. We were hanging out at this kid Robbie's house, who's a drummer for Connor's band.
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Connor
And it's pretty much a punk house at this point. Cause, like, it's just Robbie and his girlfriend that live there. So it's just the punk band that's there for this whole time.
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Xavier
Yeah. And so we were there. We were there to spend the night because a concert was gonna happen the night after. And so everyone was practicing in the basement. There were, for reference, there's Colin and Becca. That's one couple. Then there's Robbie and Molly. That's the other. And then it's me, Connor, Joe, and then our friend Sean. And so.
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Connor
And so before, like, we'd even gotten there for the night, Colin and Becca, like, as soon as we get there, they say they did a ritual and they made what they called a servitor, which is kind of a ghost made by a ritual. Like, you make the ghost yourself. And the whole point of this ghost was to, like, write songs for them. And so in the ritual, they made it so that you charge up the ghost's spiritual energy with this chant.
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Xavier
It goes, ramana, Tihase, Ramona. Wow.
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Jack Wagner
You guys remember this?
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Xavier
Yeah, it's. This is fake stuff. I mean, this freaked us out.
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Jack Wagner
I mean, should you be doing this chant on the podcast, is my question.
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Xavier
I mean, she seems like a nice ghost.
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Connor
Yeah, she's a nice ghost.
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Jack Wagner
Okay. So what were you guys. I'm jumping in here, actually. I do have some questions. What were you guys thinking at this point when she tells you this?
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Xavier
I mean, I thought it was, like, fun, interesting kind of goofy stuff. I was like, oh, it's just. It's just like. Just random fun. Like, nothing's gonna come.
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Connor
Colin and Becca at it again with the chaos magic stuff. Nothing much is gonna happen.
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Xavier
They do. They do a lot of this kind of stuff. So we were just like, ha, ha, funny, interesting stuff.
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Beau
Cool.
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Xavier
You made a ghost named Ramona all fun and games.
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Connor
So one way to charge its energy is the chant, and the other is just to play music. So everyone was doing the chant all day. And it was also band practice, so music was just being played for hours on end.
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Xavier
Yeah. And we're all hanging out. We've been doing this for a while. There's also. Part of it is there is a symbol that they made that kind of looked like a stick figure doing, like, the little Egyptian stance with its arms, but it was, like, made out of triangles, essentially. And, like, that's what you're supposed to worship.
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Connor
A fucking. A sigil is what it's called Sigil.
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Jack Wagner
Yeah.
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Xavier
Yeah. And so that's the whole point. And so they made this ghost named Ramona. And it was. Yeah, it was supposed to sing songs so that they could use those songs and write them for their punk bands. And so we do the chant a few times. We're hanging out, we're drinking, we're smoking weed in the house, doing whatever, and we just eventually kind of move past it. We're just hanging out, talking about God knows what.
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Connor
So it's like 3 or 4am and, like, Robbie and Molly had gone to sleep in the basement. Colin and Becca go to sleep, like, upstairs, like, on the second floor. And then myself, Xavier, Joe and Sean, we're about to go to sleep on the first floor. And then right before, like, sleep. And keep in mind, like, drinking was happening, but, like, we're pretty much sober.
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Xavier
Yeah. We weren't like, drunk or anything. And we're like. We're, like, setting up to, like, sleep on the floor. Like, we were just putting, like, blankets down and stuff. The jam rooms in the basement. We weren't allowed to play past, like, maybe like, midnight because I think Robbie said his neighbor was a cop or something.
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Connor
It's like 9 or 10.
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Xavier
Yeah. Yeah. Even earlier. Yeah. So music was just not a thing that could have possibly happened. Like, we're not trying to get Robbie's cop neighbor to get pissed at us. So we're all finally setting up, and me, Connor, Joe and Sean all heard someone plug a bass into an amp and start playing, like, kind of a bluesy bass line. And Molly plays bass. So we were just like, oh, okay. It's just Molly playing bass, I guess. Kind of weird. It's three in the morning.
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Connor
It wasn't bad bass playing. It was pretty decent bass playing.
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Xavier
Yeah, it was pretty good. It was pretty good. We just thought nothing of it and went to sleep. But it was going on for, like, a while. Like, I think I fell asleep to it.
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Connor
Yeah, it was like, at least maybe 15, 20 minutes.
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Xavier
Yeah. Yeah. And we wake up the next day, we start making coffee. We, like, literally just did it. We just didn't even talk about it. And was it Colin and Becker or Molly that came up first?
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Connor
Probably. Probably Molly. Probably Molly said it first. Yeah.
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Xavier
So Molly comes back up and we were like, hey. I mean, that bass line was pretty good last night. She's just like, I wasn't playing bass. I thought someone was. I heard someone playing drums. It kind of kept me up. I just assumed one of you guys were playing drums for some fucking reason. And at that point we're like, okay, something's up. Like I know none of us were playing drums. Like Sean's a drummer, but he was with us the whole time, like passed out immediately. That dude's a sound sleeper. And then like maybe 15 or 20 minutes pass. And then Colin and Becca come downstairs and we asked them like, hey, did you guys hear anything last night? And they say, yeah, someone was playing drums. It kept Becca awake. And now we're freaked out because clearly none of us were playing instruments. I mean like Colin and Becca heard it from two flights up. It had to be loud drumming. We didn't hear any drumming though. It was strictly bass. But we definitively, all four of us heard someone plug into bass.
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Connor
And everyone in the house heard something. It was just the people in the basement and on the second floor heard drumming and on the first floor it was just bass.
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Xavier
And the weird thing is like this, this was the first time, but it's not the only time.
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Jack Wagner
What did your friends who believe in the chaos magic say about all this?
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Xavier
I mean, they were just as shocked.
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Connor
Yeah, because they were confused because the whole ritual was for the ghost to be like singing and to be like writing like songs and poetry that then they could make into like band songs. So they were just confused because it was like instrumental. Yeah, there's even a bit of lore with them. They were planning to do something like bigger with the rituals before a sort of event happened.
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Jack Wagner
Oh, do tell.
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Connor
Do you want like a long in depth story?
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Beau
Sure.
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Jack Wagner
I mean, we're in it.
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Connor
Okay. Cuz this is, this is fucking crazy.
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Jack Wagner
Yeah.
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Connor
So Colin in high school knew this kid, we'll call him Jay. And he was always into like the occult and magic and like there would always be these like really cool like acid parties over his house. And they were planning on doing like a cult thing. But then Jay, he moved at like 17 with like $400 to California. California. And him and his like then girlfriend just like lived in tents for six months. Just like tripping every day and like just going to raves and, and like selling acid. And they did like so much crazy there. Like the ex girlfriend is now dating a 40 year old Hari Krishna meth addiction. And then so they broke up and Jay thought he needed to find himself. So he like walked around in the desert for six weeks with like minimal food and water. And then came back, he just walks up the driveway and he'd walked like halfway across Massachusetts and he was only like subsisting off of literally roadkill and beer that Was his entire diet.
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Jack Wagner
Keep going.
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Xavier
This is like. This is, like, crazy shit. Like, you told me this, and I lost it.
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Jack Wagner
I'm, like, waiting for it to become paranormal, but it's already weird enough. But keep going.
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Connor
Yeah, yeah.
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Beau
Well.
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Connor
Well, he had a whole, like, religious, like, philosophy sort of where, like, he, like, was God and was, like, doing the devil's work. So there was a good amount of magic, like, with that. This is actually. This kind of put a damper on. On the paranormal aspirations because the, like, cult that was going to be formed with him wasn't formed because of this. So, yeah, he comes back and he keeps talking to Alice. He's like, I really want to kill your neighbor's goat. And she's like, no, that's my neighbor's goat. Don't do that. And he says it constantly for two days and then leaves.
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Jack Wagner
Why does he want to kill the goat?
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Connor
So the ultimate goal was so that he could take the blood and put it in a necklace that he'd made so it would bring him closer to Satan.
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Jack Wagner
Okay.
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Connor
So he, like, he got a ride back to where he was from, and then he was just on the loose for a few days, like, going into, like, people's houses. He went into someone from his high school's house and was like, hey, finish carving this pentagram on my shoulder. I couldn't do it deep enough.
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Jack Wagner
Oh, my God.
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Connor
And then after a couple days, someone's goat goes missing. And it was like. It was a baby goat that these people had, like, bought for, like, their little daughter. It was named Marshmallow. And he ended up, like, sneaking in, breaking the fence at night, taking the goat, cutting its throat, and then putting the blood into a water bottle to then put in the necklace to bring him closer to Satan. And then, yeah, he got arrested.
- [38:32]
Xavier
As you should.
- [38:35]
Jack Wagner
So that was the damper on the Chaos Magic. How did he relate to the Chaos Magic people?
- [38:42]
Connor
He was friends with all of them, and they would do rituals sometimes.
- [38:48]
Xavier
So this was, like the. The Ramona thing coming back was, like, really the first. Like the first time that this had actually worked and the first time they'd actually done it in a while, from what Colin was telling me, because he was scared to do this after that whole incident.
- [39:05]
Connor
Yeah.
- [39:06]
Xavier
And it worked, like, almost immediately.
- [39:10]
Jack Wagner
Where's the goat guy now?
- [39:13]
Connor
He was. He was in it. No, he was just in. Not in jail, but in, like, the mental hospital for over a year. And now he's out and he's actually awaiting trial.
- [39:25]
Jack Wagner
Oh, for the goat?
- [39:28]
Connor
Yeah. Yeah.
- [39:29]
Xavier
I mean, he did kill a goat.
- [39:31]
Jack Wagner
Well, this. This took a very, very strange turn from an already strange place.
- [39:39]
Xavier
I've got to say, these are definitely some of the weirdest people I've ever met. Yeah, they're very bizarre.
- [39:43]
Beau
Yeah.
- [39:44]
Xavier
Yeah, I can tell at this point we're just like asking for Ramona to come back. Like, I've just told all my friends to start chanting it. We're just waiting. But I think it's really just in that one house. I think it's just. It's stuck in the punk house or something because every time I try to sleep there, it happens.
- [40:03]
Jack Wagner
You guys got to record her.
- [40:05]
Xavier
Yeah.
- [40:05]
Connor
No, honestly. Honestly, there has to be a nightly chant.
- [40:09]
Xavier
Yeah, yeah, we just need to go back there and start doing it.
- [40:24]
Jack Wagner
Thank you to Xavier and Connor for sharing this story with me seven years ago. Wherever these two are, I hope they're doing well. And I guess that goes for Ramona as well. I always thought that story was so weird. Like I said, it was one that I was obviously laughing at at the time, mostly cause it's so strange. But I always just thought that was so unsettling, the thought of trying to summon something almost as a joke for fun and then it unexpectedly working in such an eerie way. Also, thank you to Bo and Crocus for sharing their story and thank you for listening. This episode has been called Phantom Channel and you've been listening to Otherworld. Otherworld is executive produced and hosted by myself, Jack Wagner. Our producers are Theo Schaeffer, Theo Krantz, Haley Pearson and Nikki Kate Delgado. Our theme song is by Cobra Man. The soundtrack of this episode is by North Americans. Our artwork is by Cul de Sac Studios. Please show us your support by subscribing, leaving a five star review and telling your friends about the show. If you want to hear bonus episodes of Otherworld, you can become a patron@patreon.com our social media is otherworldpod. Thank you to the team at Odysee. Leah Rees, Dennis, Maura Curran, Josephina Francis, Eric Donnelly, Kate Rose, Colin Gaynor and Hilary Schuff. Follow and listen to Otherworld now for free on the Odysee app or wherever you get your podcasts. And finally, if you or somebody you know has experienced something paranormal, supernatural or unexplained, you can send us your stories@storiesotherworldpod.com.