A (3:14)

My name is Vince, currently live in Chandler, Arizona from a small town called Superior, Arizona. My whole life has been kind of Like, I wouldn't say a series of unfortunate events, because they kind of made me who I am. So to a normal person, they're unfortunate, but to me, it's just, you know, if any one of those little things didn't happen, you know, my whole life would be totally different right now. So with that being said, I currently live in Chandler. I've heard people refer to it as the Silicon Valley of Arizona because there's intel, all the chip companies are here. There's space companies here, there's a lot of tax money, a lot of rich people, a lot of the athletes live down here. So it's a super nice area. And that is where I currently live. But the main story is from my hometown, Superior, and I grew up there. Originally, I lived with my mom. She had me and my younger sister with her. And we actually lived in a train car because we were homeless. I'm not sure what part of the train it is, but there was just like a. Like a little office in the back. I don't know if it would have been like a little break room for the conductors or engineers or whatever the person who drives the train is called, but it's retired, and it's kind of a display piece near a park. They put a train track down and put it on there, but it was not visited. I mean, no one went there. No one cared. It's just in the back of this park, there's just a random giant train caboose on tracks just next to a park. It had zero business being there, zero historical relevance to the town or anything. So I have no idea why I was there. Just a big red train car caboose thing. And we just lived in it. And up until about seven years old, we were homeless. And my oldest brother, at the time, there were three of us. My oldest brother lived with my grandparents because they were able to get custody of him. And then my mom had us two. We lived with her in a train car, just homeless. And then police officers would bring us food, which, now that I look back, I'm like, there were kids homeless in a train car, and you were taking them food. I appreciate it, but I feel like there probably should have been another step after that, like maybe called Child services or something. But either way, I'm grateful. For me, it was kind of fun until our mom started getting into some pretty bad drugs. And our mom would get, like, super high on meth or heroin or something, and she would just pass out. And my younger sister, she's like a year and a half Younger than me, she would just be crying, and I'm just, like, holding my mom. And, you know, I got used to knowing that she was gonna wake up. Obviously, when I was young, I didn't know, like, overdoses were a thing or anything like that, but she always would just high and then, like, fall asleep and was just essentially, like, in a coma. We couldn't wake her up or anything. We just kind of waited it out. So that was our life up until about seven. I was seven. And then finally my grandparents were able to get custody of me and my sister. And then my mom kidnapped us from my grandparents, like, a few months later. And we were on the run. And I still remember that we were driving through the desert in some pickup truck, and we were driving to California, and me and my sister in the middle, and we're having fun, and we're eating. And to this day, those, like, mushy, chewy, like, Chips Ahoy chips in, like, the red container. Oh, I love those. I hate the crunchy chips. So we're sitting there, and I'm so little, like, I can't even really see over the dash. And me and my sister in the middle, and my mom and my dad, they were, like, fighting. So my mom's in the passenger seat, Dad's driving to me and her just sitting in the middle on the little bench. And then we're eating, and we're loving these cookies. Then all of a sudden, he loses control, and we crash, like, going under, like, an underpass of, like, a train bridge or something. And we lost control and crashed. And me and my sister fly out of the seat because obviously there's no safety. We have no seat belts. And the cookies go flying, and we're crying, and they're just screaming at us like, we crashed into a ditch. Like, it wasn't, like, totaled the truck or anything. So he just kind of, like, fixed the situation, got all of us back into our seats, and then he kind of got the truck out of the ditch. And then we get all the way to California, and we're, like, living in this shack. And I remember our dad leaves. I think he just dropped us off. So my mom, she needs money, and she's trying to get her drugs, and she takes us with her. And I'd never really told my sister this part of the story because it would kind of break her heart. But we met with this drug dealer, and me and my sister were just, like, tagging along with my mom, and she offers my sister to the drug dealer for money, like, saying he can just have her here. You can have my daughter if you gave me, like, all these drugs or something. And I just grabbed my sister, and I was like, no, you can't do that. And, you know, I was young, and I already knew that that was a bad thing. And the drug dealer was like, no, absolutely not. I'm not doing that. I don't know how many drug dealers in the world have a good heart. But this one, he called the police because he knew where we were staying, and he called the police, and they kind of, like, raided it. And then once we said, like, oh, our mom kidnapped us, by the way, we're from Arizona. Like, what? Yeah, we're from Arizona. And she kidnapped us. And she told us not to say anything because, you know, like, when you're a kid and you just say everything, you have no filter. So they arrested my mom, and then they put us, like, in this van, and they drove us all the way back. And then we met with, like, the local sheriff, and then our grandparents. Grandparents picked us back up, and things kind of calmed down.

B (9:46)

Did your mom go to jail? Like, what happened to her?

A (9:49)

So I don't really have a sense of time back then. So she was always kind of in and out of jail. I don't know if it was, like, a long stint of jail. I think it was more of, like, I don't know. She got arrested, and then we didn't really see her because then they put, like, an order of protection on her. They're like, you kidnapped her, you kidnapped the kids. You can't go back to that house until, like, things are settled and you're off drugs and. And things like that. Then my mom got clean. My grandparents released the order of protection. Then my mom would come around. At this point, she already had another daughter. But after my younger sister, the one that she tried to give away, she got her tubes tied. And apparently that's not, like, super perfect because she had a child, which is my youngest sister. And my mom was on every single drug, pretty much drank a bunch of alcohol, just did all these bad things. Like, everything they tell you not to do while pregnant, she did. So my sister was born. She was born at, like, 2 pounds, super premature, had, like, fetal alcohol syndrome. Everything wrong with her, she was in the hospital forever. And then finally my grandparents were able to get custody of her as well, because my mom was still on pretty bad drugs and honestly didn't really want her. So she came to live with us. And then once my mom got clean, she would come over and visit all of us. And then like my younger sister, she would like die all the time. I know that sounds weird, but her heart would just stop. I think it happened like four or five times and I don't know how it never happened at night because obviously if we were sleeping when it happened, she would have just died. But it happened like if she was playing or something and then she would just collapse and then my grandpa would like give her CPR and then just bring her back to life and then they would like medevac her and stabilize her and then she'd come back and then, you know, a few months later she would just die again. Her heart would stop. We all get a little older. My sister essentially stops dying. Her heart, I think, got a little stronger and stuff like that and things kind of settled down and we didn't really see our mom as much. And one day we were driving to Walmart, which is like a 30 minute drive. Our town is kind of secluded, it's in the middle of nowhere. Me and my brother, I'm riding with him and we look over because there's a big police presence on the side of the highway and we see the coroner picking up a body bag. And I was kind of a little confused, like, oh, that's a body bag. That means, you know, he just told me that that means there's a dead body in there. And he was just saying how horrible that is that they found, you know, a dead person on the side of the road. Anyway, you know, we don't really care. You know, it's crazy to see, but, you know, our day goes on, we go to Walmart, we come home and just life goes on. A week or two later, my grandma was like, we haven't heard from your mom in a while because usually she would call, you know, either from jail or just calling maybe once or twice a week just to see how the kids are doing or ask for money or a handout or food or something. But she hadn't called in a while. So I think my grandmother called to make a missing persons report and they asked for some identifiers, like any tattoos she had. And they. Well, actually those tattoos you just described to us kind of match someone we found recently. So she, my grandpa and my older brother went to, I guess the corner and yeah, they identified the body and it was our mom. Our mom was dead. For me, I was kind of in shock, I guess, but more, I don't know, confused, I guess. A normal person, if their mother dies, they would be like super upset, crying about It. But I think we just had so many things go wrong with her and stuff like that that like, I never really felt like she was my mom. Obviously my grandparents raised us, so they were. And then they ended up adopting us illegally. They were my mom and dad, but I never really felt like my mom was my mom. So when she died I almost felt relieved because I was always afraid that she was going to come back and like try to do something to us. And I know that is a horrible thought, but when you go through being kidnapped and like your own mother trying to like give away your sister and so it's just you don't know what she's capable of. And then soon after my dad died, which he was never really in the picture. So getting into teenagehood, parents are dead. And honestly, other than all that, I actually had a great childhood. We grew up in a small town in the desert. There was mountains all around us, super beautiful. My grandfather, he owned a body shop. Collision work, custom paint, stuff like that. So since I was a kid, to keep us out of trouble, we would, you know, go out there and help him sand the cars or clean them or. Everything was just like so perfect. We didn't have a lot of money, we didn't have a lot of things, but we were all in the house and we just, I don't know, we just had so much fun. We were always like riding bikes outside. We lived next to a little creek which had water. It was just like always something I go to school, get out of school, go play all day until the, until it got dark and then I'd come home. I don't know. I love my childhood. And then I got a little older. I graduated high school a little early. I graduated as a junior at 17. And then the local mine, which they offered scholarships to students in the high school and I ended up getting one of the scholarships and going to college. And during my breaks I'd come home, stay at my grandparents house and work at the mine as an intern. Just doing like basic intern stuff. And this is when the story happened.

B (16:28)

I gotta say that this is probably one of the wildest intros anybody's given in terms of backstory in the podcast thus far.

A (16:37)

The story I'm about to tell is crazy.

B (16:41)

We haven't even gotten to the weird part yet.

A (16:46)

So now I'm in college. It's my second year of college. My girlfriend from my hometown, she moved up there with me and we got a little apartment and I loved walking my dog at night and it was super high Elevation. It was in a city called Prescott. And at night, you could just see a crazy amount of stars from our apartment. Because I would walk kind of out and behind it into, like, the woods, and there was, like, a clearing way far away. And then there was, like, a little picnic area. And I would just go out there and walk my dog and look at the stars. But one night, I was playing fetch with my dog, and she was just playing around, and I was like. I just went to the little picnic bench that was there, and I laid down on the bench to look at the stars, and it was gorgeous. And my dog's just relaxing next to me, just kind of. She's a little wore out, so she kind of lays down in the grass. And I'm laying on this bench, and I'm just looking up and. And the amount of stars you can see, it was. And my eyes were already adjusted to the night, so it's just like. It was. It just looked like TV static almost. Just white dots everywhere. And I'm just looking. I'm just in awe. And I'm remembering. I'm like, man, those are. Each. Each of those is a star. And I'm just thinking to myself, I'm just looking at each one, and I'm thinking, like, each one of those is a star, and each one of those has a planet. That's crazy. What if. Imagine how many of them have life at them or on the planets or something. So I'm just staring at them. Then all of a sudden, I just start getting, like, where my eyes relax. I'm just staring at the star that my eyes are just. That is just, like, in front of my eyes. And I'm just staring and staring and just, like, in a trance at it. And I just started thinking, like, if there's someone there, can you show yourself to me? Or can you talk to me? And I was just, like, talking to a star, right? And then I look over and I'm looking at another star, and I'm just, like, talking to it, and I'm just, like, looking around. And what I'm visualizing is. I don't know if you've ever seen the videos where they show, like, the size of the Earth and it pans out, then it shows the size of the sun, then it pans out. I'm just, like, visualizing myself zooming into there. Like, I'm traveling through space, and I see the star, and I'm there, and I see the planets around it, and I find a planet with life. And, like, I'm Just like visualizing these weird things. Just, just a crazy imagination, right? So I'm just looking and I'm just imagining like what would these lives look like? Like would they, would it be like cows? Like what would it look like? And I'm just talking to it. Like if there's someone there, can you please show yourself? Can you please talk to me? And I'm doing this to all these stars. And it's getting late and then I'm just kind of like relaxing. I'm like, okay, this is ridiculous. So I get up with the dog, I almost chuckle it off. I mean, I would like to say an alien ship popped up, but nothing happened. Heck, the stars didn't even twinkle at me. I mean nothing happened. So I get up, get my dog, we walk back and I mean it's nothing special. So like that wasn't on my mind. And then life goes on. A couple weeks later the semester ends and it's the winter semester and I go back home. And the winter semester is about a month long. So I'm gonna live at my grandparents house in my hometown. So I'm going to the mine there as an intern since I'm on scholarship and just working, hanging out with friends, childhood friends. And then one night, nothing special about that night or the day beforehand, I just wake up and I just have this urge, I just feel wide awake and I have this urge to go outside. So my mind is not thinking why I just get up and do it. Like I had this urge and I just do it. Like almost like if you want to drink water, you just get up and go do it. You don't contemplate it, you just get up and do it. So I just got up, walked. And I can like feel the coldness of the tile under my feet. Like it I could, I'm in my room first, you know, I feel the carpet, the, the texture of the carpet. And I walk immediately in the hallway and there's tiles and I feel the cold towel on my feet and I'm just walking, just walking, walking. And you know, it's kind of chilly. I know it's winter in Arizona, but at night it was still only like 50 at that time. And I get to the door and I'm about to just go outside and when I open the door, standing in front of me was two typical, what you would describe just as gray aliens standing on the other side of the screen door. And they were both standing side by side. And the way you get to the screen is there's like a ledge Almost like a mini porch. And when I say porch, it's just the foundation of the house that protrudes like three feet from the house. So they're just like standing up on this concrete next to each other. And they're. I would like to say they were little, but they weren't really maybe slightly shorter than me. I maybe like 5, 4. It didn't feel like I was looking at like, I don't know, like E.T. like something really like 3ft tall or something. I can see that they are wearing like something. I don't know if it's like a one piece suit or a two piece, but it's all very similar to their skin color. I don't know if it's like silver or, you know, gray. It just. It wasn't. It wasn't contrasting enough from their skin to really even take notice. I know they were wearing something because I could like, see the outline of like clothing on them. It looked like a suit, but it was just so close to their color. And immediately I kind of snap out of this urge to walk outside. And immediately my heart is pumping adrenaline at 100%. Like, I don't know anyone in the world who can see a gray alien and just not know that that is an alien. Because it is so typical and almost embarrassing to say that that's. I wish it was something crazier than a gray alien that I saw just because it's almost embarrassing to say it because everyone's like, oh, sure, you saw a gray alien, whatever. But I see it and immediately I know it's an alien. Like, immediately I know there's two of them. Man, if I was any older, I probably would have had a heart attack. Like, it was the most scared. I've been through a lot of things in my life and this was the most scared I've ever been. And all of it hits me at once. And within like maybe a second or two, it like stops like a freight train. All that emotion just stopped, like, gone. And I've never had my adrenaline going. And like when I. When that situation stops and is no longer a scary situation, like your heart's still speeding up and it's slowly going down. You know, you're slowly coming down off of it. This was like immediate, like just a flip of the switch just turned off. And immediately I lock eyes with one and then I just feel like, almost like they're pouring like warm butter over me. Just warm and like loving. It went from the most fear I've ever had to instantly loved. Imagine, like Your favorite uncle coming to visit you, like your favorite family member that you don't see a lot. And you open the door and just the excitement you see as a kid, you're just so happy to see him and you just feel this love. That's immediately what went over me. This is all within 10 seconds. This may sound like a long time, but it's maybe two seconds of adrenaline and then instantly happy. And then I'm just, I'm just staring at them and then I cannot look away. Like I'm forced to almost look in their eyes. So I'm just locked eyes with them. Well, with the one on the left. And I can't look away. Like even if I wanted to look around, I can't. Like it feels like I'm just stuck looking at it. And all of a sudden I just hear in my head, in my own voice, which is kind of weird, but I kind of think I know why in my voice, but in my voice I hear we're not going to affect you or something like that. I just remember, I specifically remember the word affect. And I just knew that they weren't going to hurt me or do anything to me. And the reason I think they were talking in my voice would be because honestly if they talked to me in like a different voice, I probably would have been afraid. And then they say, come outside with us. And any normal adult would probably slam the door and run screaming. But I couldn't. I basically just open the screen and just follow them. They turn around and I'm like, they weren't afraid of me. Like they weren't like walking, like making sure their back wasn't towards me. They just turned around, stepped off and we had this little brick floor, like a brick walkway up. So we have a long front yard. From the road to the door is probably like 30ft. And but to walk from the road to the door, there's like a, a little red brick pathway we made. So I step out, I'm barefoot. I feel the really. It's. The floor is really cold. It's obviously winter in Arizona. It only gets to maybe 40s, but the ground is still very cold at that. When you were just in a warm comfy bed and your feet are warm and you go to step on that 40 degree concrete. So what I thought was funny was that it didn't bother me. I knew it was cold and I knew it was the ground would normally be really cold. So I don't care about the cold, which is weird. Like it was almost like I had no choice but to walk. But I do remember with each step, I was careful not to hurt my foot on, like, the uneven bricks. And I feel the coldness. I feel everything. And I'm just walking behind him, and I'm just staring at the back of the head of the one on the left, and I don't know if I ever really looked at the one on the right while we were walking. I just was just, like, in a trance, and I'm just following it. And there's a gray craft in the road, and they walk me to it, and we're maybe 10ft from it, and we get up to it, and they kind of stand in a way and turn to, like, present me to it. And as soon as we get there, cars would kind of come down towards our house, but they would turn before they get to our house because there was a street nearby. And I see these lights coming around the corner, and I look over, and I immediately say, oh, they're gonna see us. And I don't know if I thought that maybe I'd get in trouble or something, but I felt like they're not supposed to see us. In my head, I just hear it say, oh, don't worry about it, or, no, they won't, or something along those lines. And then all of a sudden, it gets, like. The air gets, like, super staticky. All the hair on my body standing up, like goosebumps, like the most static I've ever felt. And, like, my vision got kind of blurry. Ish. But I don't know if it was actually my vision. It felt like. The way I would describe it, it almost looked like glitter falling in the air by us. And I don't know if it was. I honestly, I have no idea. It wasn't, like, particles falling, but it looked like glitter falling because, like, it was sparkling a little bit, and the air was super tingly. And then the car drives past, and then all of that immediately goes away. Like, there wasn't, like, glitter on the floor or anything. Like, there was nothing from that. So I feel like they weren't able to see us, but I was still there and I was able to see us, and everything was fine. Like, it's not like we got under a cloak and I couldn't see anything or, like, you know, it just seemed fine. And then as soon as the car drove past, I looked at the ship. And normally I probably wouldn't have looked at the ship, because if there's a ship and two aliens, I think most people would focus on the aliens. And not the ship, per se, but it felt like they forced me to look at the ship. And I'm just staring at it. And it's like the size of maybe a small school bus. Like one of those short yellow school buses. But it's. The way I describe it, it looked like a fuel tanker. Like, round, smooth. Like, in that proportion. It looked like like a big water tank or something. But it was perfectly smooth. Like, reflective and, like, silvery. But it wasn't, like, mirrored. It just looked like new aluminum. And when I was staring at it, I don't remember if there were, like, legs. I was just staring at, like, the upper two thirds of it. Like, I couldn't look away from that. Like, imagine you're looking at the. At the ship. Centered, but, like, up towards the top of the ship. And I was just staring and staring. And then all of a sudden, it felt like I was, like, connected to it. And when I felt that connection, then all of a sudden I had this knowing in me. It wasn't a feeling or like a thought. Maybe I can do something to it. But a knowing popped up in my head that if I really wanted to, I could change the shape of it. And I don't know why. Like, it wasn't communicated. They weren't. They didn't say, like, hey, you know, this was yours. You could change the shape of it. It was just, like, unknowing. I just knew I could. And, like, it felt like it was alive. Like when you go to the zoo and you see, like, a tiger for the first time, and you're just in awe because this thing that you see in books or something is finally right there, and you're just in awe, just, like, admiring it. Even if it's like the tiger's just laying there, you're just admiring it. Like, this ship. I'm just. It just feels like I'm looking at, like, an animal or like a living thing. And then immediately, once I knew I could change the shape, and I felt like I knew the ship. My whole consciousness, like, turned towards the aliens, and I couldn't focus on the ship anymore. So they're standing to my right, and the ship is kind of like, in front of me. So I turn my whole body and I'm just standing there staring at the one on the left again. And the one on the left said, do you have any questions for us? And again, this is all in my mind. There is zero facial movements, and I'm just locked in on their eyes. And their face looks just like an. I hate to say it, but it looks just like a typical what you would think, like, the big black eyes, smaller lower portion of the face. Like, I really wish I could say it didn't look like that because I feel like it would be more believable. But it just looked like a normal gray alien. So I'm just staring at the one on the left in the eyes, and it says in my head again in my voice, do you have any questions? And the first thing I ask is, am I dreaming? And he said, no. Like, almost like I was being silly. Like, no, like, why would you think you're dreaming like that type of no. So said, do you have any questions? And the weird thing about the questions, I can still feel it. Like my mouth was moving. And I asked a question. I know I asked a question. Imagine you're trying to think of a song or someone's name, and it's, like, right there on the tip of your tongue. And you know you know it, but all it takes is, like, something to, like, click. And you're like, oh, yeah, yeah, this is the song name. Like, you know it, but you just can't say it. Like, it's. You just cannot remember. And it's just. It bothers you so bad. That is the feeling that I have. Like, I know what I asked. I remember moving my mouth, and in my mind, I felt curious. Like, I asked a question. Like, if you're ever talking with someone and a question pops up, like, your mood kind of changes because you have this. You want to ask a question, right? And then you ask the question, and then when they answer it, like, that questioning feeling goes away. Like, they just answered your questions and they replied. And I know they did, because immediately that feeling in me of, like, having a question was gone. Like, I was satisfied. And then another one happened, and then another one. So I just remember that happened three times. So I know I asked three questions at first, and then I can remember. The next thing I asked is, is God real? And I very clearly remember that. And they said, we can't tell you that. I said, oh, okay. Well, let me tone it back a little bit. I'm sorry. I think the first three were maybe basic questions that they could answer. And I don't know why I can't remember or why I'm not allowed to remember or something. And then the next question I asked, what happens when we die? And they said, we can't answer that. I said, okay. And then I said, how big is outer space? And they also said, we can't answer that the last thing I remember that they answered. I asked, how can I talk to you again? And they said, all you gotta do is ask. And I said, well, how do I ask? And they said, well, the way you asked the first time. And so I was like, okay, I don't know. I don't remember asking, but whatever.

B (35:59)

All right, we'll be right back after this quick break.

C (36:14)

So good, so good, so good.

A (36:16)

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The weird thing after those questions, it felt like I was receiving information. Like, almost like I had a spiritual conversation. I feel like I can sense what the conversations are about or, like, how serious it is. And I was just, like, super happy with what I was hearing. And I don't understand why they would allow me to ask questions if I wasn't allowed to know. Like, why would they give me the ability to ask questions and then redact the most important ones? And then none of the other experience was redacted from looking at the ship, from being exposed to that weird static, from seeing them, from staring in their eyes. And I've almost considered going to, like, a regression therapist or something if that would work, if I can get the answers out of it. But after the conversation, basically my consciousness, like, shifted towards just going back inside. Like, I knew we were done. They didn't say, okay, go back inside. It's just the best way I could say is, like, robotic, like. Like being controlled. I just turned away from them and just started walking straight towards the front door of my house. And I think anyone would look back or see if they fly away or see how fast the ship is or see how they got in. But I Wasn't able to do that. So as I'm walking forward, it didn't feel like I could turn around and look. I was just being steered into the house as if like a puppet almost. I opened the screen, walked in, closed it, walked straight to my bed, sat down. As soon as my butt touched the bed, I just blinked and like snapped out of it. I'm controlling my body. I'm in my right mind now. I'm no longer level headed. Like the whole experience, I was just excited. Like, what just happened? Like, what the fuck was that? Was that real? And the weird part, I mean, I'm still cold. Like, if you're ever like in bed under your blankets and you're all warm and you get like, your body's warm. I was cold. Like, I was just outside. I was just so excited to just run back outside. So I just run back down the hall, fling the front door open and run out and nothing is there. If I would have just got out of bed and all that was a dream. Out of my warm bed, run outside, I would have like got the shock of the cold hitting me. But I was out there and I was like already acclimated to the temperature. My feet weren't like reacting to the cold. Everything is how it was. Like it wasn't morning, it wasn't like earlier or later. It was exactly what it felt like. Same temperature, same feeling on my feet. Like I just felt like I was just out there. Like the smells were the same, the air was the same, you know, and it just totally acclimated. So I'm just so confused, just looking around, wondering, was that real? And that's when I'm just starting to like, think and I'm like looking at my feet, moving them. And I was like looking around, I'm like, I was just out here. Like, I know, I was like, there's like, my body is still acclimated. Like the excitement is still there. Like, this was real. What now? Like, what do you do? Like, how do you do you all lay down and sleep? Like, I was just so confused, like, and I was just remembering what they said, like, ask us to come back. And I'm like, hello, hello, come back. Hello. Like, just. I'm just so confused and excited and kind of, I just didn't know what to do. So I just walked back inside and I'm just looking around and I just kind of sit on the couch and I'm like, what do I do? Wake up my grandparents and tell them I didn't. I don't Know, I didn't think anyone would believe me. So I just go lay down and honestly, I don't remember. It was probably like 4 in the morning, and I get maybe an hour and a half of sleep, if I even fell asleep. I think I laid there with my eyes closed and, like, tried to sleep, but everything was just racing in my mind over and over and over and over. And I'm trying to just remember everything. I could have sat there for hours just replaying this in my head over and over and over. And then I had to go to work. And the first thing I do is I tell my boss. She. I want to say a crazy lady, but you could tell a lady anything. And she'll be like, oh, yeah, that's real. Yep, yep, that happened. And I'm telling her the whole thing, and she is just in shock, and I'm just telling her everything. And she says, that was real, first of all, and you need to write it down so you don't forget it. And then I kind of sat there and she's like, she gave me a notebook and a pen and said, write that all down now. And then after I write it down and just go throughout my day, that's pretty much it. And then obviously, I've told the story a few times to some friends. Life went on. I met my wife, got married. So forward 10 years, you know, just kind of doing the married thing, moving around. I got two kids, and we are in this house, and I'm home alone. My wife is out shopping. My daughter is with her mom, which I had my daughter with another woman. And so I'm just home alone. I'm just scrolling through a streaming app and just trying to find something to watch because I'm bored. And I come across an interesting documentary. And the documentary is about how to summon aliens. And so I'm like, okay, whatever, let's watch this. I mean, I used to watch Ancient aliens. I used to. I don't care. I find everything entertaining. I'll watch anything. So I watch it. And then it gets to the end and they're showing all the proof and they talk about an app that they have and they say, oh, yeah, you know, just, if you don't believe us, just get the app and do it. So, all right, I download the app on my phone and there's like a meditation sequence. There's all these other things you do. You play these tones and do all these things. And I do all that. And I'm expecting something cool to happen. I'm in my living room. Like, I don't know if I expect an alien to walk in the door or. I didn't even go outside. Just nothing happened. And I'm like, you kind of like, send your consciousness out into the sky almost. And, like, you are pinpointing where you are, so you're imagining. You are zooming out from. You. You see your street and then you see your city, then you see your state, then your country, then your planet. And then you know all this and you're. You're giving your location. Almost like when I was on that park bench a long time ago, when I was kind of like zooming in on those planets, saying, come show yourself to me. I'm doing all this. I'm doing all these things. I'm following it to the table, and then it's over. And nothing. Whatever. I don't know what I expected to show up in my house. So I go to the next show and I end up eating a snack later. And the night goes on. And my wife gets home and she doesn't care about any of this stuff. She doesn't even watch tv. She's never on her phone. You can't even get a call out of her. She doesn't care about the shows I watch or anything like that. And as the night went on, we hung out for a bit. She was doing her things around the house. I never brought it up. Honestly, it wasn't even on my mind at all. Anyway, it was just a stupid thing I did from an app and whatever hours went on, and I just totally forgot that even happened. So that night we go to sleep, and probably 2:00am, maybe a little earlier, maybe a little later, I hear a scream. And I turn over and I said, what? What? And my wife says, there's an alien in the bathroom. And immediately I just think, there's just someone in our house. I didn't revert back to that show. I didn't like, my fight or flight just goes on, and I just run over there to see if there's someone in the house. So, like, I turn the corner and nothing in there. And I'm looking around. So I turn the light on and there's still just nothing in there. I'm like, what? There's nothing in here. She's like, there was an alien in there. I was like, no. What. What do you. What do you mean? Were you dreaming? She's like, no. She said, I woke up and saw a red light on the wall, like, floating across the wall. And she kind of followed it. And then, like, she Couldn't yell, she couldn't talk. Like, she was just, like, following it. And when the red light went into the restroom, she sees fingers come around the wall and, like, grab the edge of the wall. And then a face come out, like, as if they, like, pulled theirselves out, like. And she just sees an alien face. And she just gets incredibly scared. And then it goes back and then it takes its fingers back. And as soon as it's out of her, like, visual, like, she's able to scream with no hesitation. She just, like, she's like. I didn't close my eyes. I didn't go back to sleep. I just screamed. There was no sort of time lapse. There was no. I didn't fall asleep. And then woke up and remembered it was just no blink in between. Just the red light was gone. The alien went behind the wall and she just. That same moment, she just screamed. So from the scream, maybe three seconds later, I was in the bathroom. And within that time, everything was just gone. And she swears it was real. She can describe it way better than me.

C (47:35)

Well, my name is Hunter, so this day, completely normal, you know, nothing out of the ordinary. Just hung out in the evening with the husband and went to sleep. So I woke up in the middle of the night and I kind of rolled over to the other side. And I was then facing the big open doorway to my restroom. And the whole room was illuminated with this faint red light, like, red glow. Our shower back then had one of those very thin windows along the ceiling. And it looked like there was a red light outside that was bright enough to illuminate the room. I could move and I had freedom of my body, but I felt like I couldn't speak. And I kind of just stayed still, just sort of looking at that light. And then from around the corner of this same entrance to the bathroom, it. I saw these fingers very slowly come outward from behind the wall and just sort of one by one wrap onto that corner. And a figure pulled its head out from there, like, pulling itself so that I could see. Didn't really look any different from what you might expect just based on, I guess, sci fi. And, you know, I didn't see any ridiculous green skin tones or anything like that. But it was really. The head shape was very standard to what I would have imagined. It was terrifying. And so I just kind of stayed and just looked at it. And it had to have just been staring at me for. It felt like two, three minutes. It could have been less, but it felt like such a long time. Of just making eye contact with this thing. And then just like its hands had wrapped on one by one, one by one. It looked like it was removing them and putting itself back. And then looked very much like stereotypical oblong headed alien figure. The room was dark aside from that red light. And at that angle that it was at, it was almost silhouetted, but I could see that it had, you know, a darker skin tone. It just, it was so, so creepy. It was very, very thin. Obviously I only saw hands, head, little tiny bit of the neck. The fingers were elongated and creepy. There were four of them on each hand. I mean, I'm sure there were thumbs on the other end. But it was just the most odd and terrifying sensation. It was the energy that was so terrifying. The just watching for a moment and the slow movement that was what really, really freaked me out. And after it had, I guess, retracted and the light then disappeared. Soon after, I just, I started screaming. I went ballistic. Husband woke up. He didn't know what was going on. I told him and then he told me that he did something for summoning aliens earlier that day when I wasn't home. And I was furious and terrified and he just did the very like, oh, well, tell me about it. And after a little bit, just went back to sleep. I was so mad. It's very like him to do something like that. You know, he loves paranormal, he loves aliens. He. He's really interested in every one of those topics and I am as well, but kind of on a very surface level where I enjoy hearing him talk about it and get excited, but I'm not doing any research on my own. So it's very like him to seek out some sort of connection like that with aliens. There is nobody in this entire world that can convince me that that was a dream. I had full range of motion. I didn't, you know, have this moment where my eyes opened up and I started screaming. It was. I was fully conscious for the entire thing. There's absolutely no convincing me that I was asleep for that. It was just the strangest, most terrifying experience of my entire life. And he knows that and he was very apologetic because he didn't know that that was actually going to happen. But I was very, very, very upset with him. I still am. I hope he is not still doing stu.

A (53:41)

She was incredibly mad. Like, I have never really seen her that mad. And she was like, you did this to me. She went through something traumatic and it was my fault. She was like, you did this. You are never do that ever again. Don't just scolding me. And yeah, to this day she still brings it up. And I told my buddies about it and I went camping with some buddies and I jokingly told them that I'm gonna. They know the story. And I was like, well, I'm gonna do the meditation right now. And they're like, no, you better not in our tent. Overall, I think I accidentally summoned that alien that she saw. We talk about it and we reflect on it and it's just. She knows it was real. I know it's just too coincidental, like if that happened before the show or like weeks after, but it was hours after. I don't know. I think, like I just asked that night for the aliens to come. The first story. And this night with my wife, I asked and they came again. So I just focused all of my intention and all I wanted was something or someone to show themselves to me. And that is, I think, I think when they say all you have to do is ask, I think that is how you have to ask is you have to want it more than anything. I would say it is the most eye opening, the most spiritually thing that happened to me. And I wouldn't say it's bad because I mean, it's literally what I asked for. They just gave me what I asked for. I can't be mad now, but out of everything that's ever happened to me, this is one thing that changed my mind to also think more positive. Because maybe I used to think, hey, when I die, I just close my eyes and I just cease to exist. Now I'm pretty sure there's probably more than that. That because if aliens are possible, then why can't other things be possible? You know, maybe we die and go to a different frequency. I don't know. I hope there's something more. But in all my life, I've had a lot of death around me, a lot of negative things. And this is one thing that in the moment could have been seen as negative to someone who was in their own mind and not like in a trance almost. And I'm kind of thankful they put me in a trance because I don't know if I would have been able to control my emotions. But this is the only thing in my life that has been crazy that is giving me like a deeper happy feeling. Those are the first times in my life that I immediately got the good out of a weird situation. Whether that rather than, you know, being in a horrific situation and then trying to find the good, this I already know what the good is. And it's. You know, it spiritually enlightened me a bit and it let me live. I'm not afraid of death because, I mean, maybe there is something more. Now I'm just. I don't know. I just. It just solved some curiosities for me that have always been there. Like, there is more to life, there is more to the universe. There. Like, there is something. I saw it. Like, I don't care what anyone tells me, I saw something that night. I mean, I'm 32 and I feel like I'm like, 60, and all the experiences I've had, but looking back on everything again, I wouldn't change anything that's ever happened to me. You take one of those experiences away, I'm not here being the person I am. You take away that alien experience, or I'd be a totally different person. You know, my whole mindset changed. Everything changed. Every little thing led me to. To today, to this moment.

B (58:22)

Thank you to Vincent and also his wife, Hunter, for speaking to me. Obviously, this whole story is really wild, but what struck me the most is how mad Vincent's wife was with him after finding out about all of this, which is totally understandable, by the way. I would be just as mad. He told me that she was as upset as she would be if he had invited a burglar or an intruder into the house, which in a way he kind of did. And that is a really validating detail for me in this story, and I think it was for Vincent as well, even though it seems like it might have landed him in the doghouse for a little bit. With that being said, maybe no more summoning from now on, Vincent. At least not in the house. What's especially unique about this story is that this alien encounter, or whatever it was, might not even be the most extreme thing to have happened to Vincent in his life. I've been thinking a lot about what he told me about his childhood living in a boxcar. And there was even some more things that we didn't have time to discuss, things he just hinted at. I wanted to hear more about that side of Vincent's life, if you want to hear more as well. I think I'm going to have him on the Patreon this week to chat about it and talk about some things we didn't have time to get to. This episode was called Every Piece In Place, and you've been listening to Otherworld. Otherworld is executive produced and hosted by myself, Jack Wagner. Our producers are Theo Schaeffer, Theo Krantz. Haley Pearson and Nikki Kate Delgado. Our theme song is by Cobra Man. The soundtrack of this episode is by North Americans and Juice Jackal. Our artwork is by Cul de Sac Studios. Please show us your support by subscribing, leaving a five star review, and telling your friends about the show. If you want to hear bonus episodes of Otherworld, you can become a patron@patreon.com Otherworld Our social media is Otherworldpod. Thank you to the team at Odysee Leah Rhys Dennis, Maura Curran, Josefina Francis, Eric Donnelly, Kate Rose, Colin Gaynor, and Hilary Schuff. Follow and listen to Otherworld now for free on the Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts. And finally, if you or somebody you know has experienced something paranormal, supernatural or unexplained, you can send us your stories@storiesotherworldpod.com.