In this episode of the podcast, I speak with author Nate Schweber about the life and activism of Bernard and Avis DeVoto. Nate is the author of ‘This America of Ours.’ He shares insights into DeVoto’s work as a journalist, historian, and public lands advocate. Our conversation delves into Bernard’s early years and the profound impact growing up in Utah had on his advocacy for public lands. We discuss Bernard’s journey into becoming a leading voice against the privatization of public lands during the 1940s and 1950s, including his pivotal role in exposing a major land grab plot orchestrated by powerful livestock interests and political figures like Senator Pat McCarran and Joseph McCarthy. Nate also discusses the enduring partnership between Bernard and his wife, Avis, highlighting her critical role in his work and her later collaboration with Julia Child. Nate underscores the ongoing relevance of the DeVoto’s fight for public lands in today’s political climate, drawing parallels between past and present challenges.

The DeVoto Dry Martini

3.7 parts gin

1 part dry vermouth

Mix in pitcher of ice or cocktail shakes

Twist of lemon only (no olives! Bernard hated olives…)

01:29 Discussion on Bernard and Avis Devoto

04:05 Nate’s Background and Connection to the West

06:04 Early Memories and Love for Public Lands

10:52 Bernard Devoto’s Early Years and Activism

13:29 The 1946 Road Trip and Discovery of the Land Grab Plot

21:35 The Role of Livestock Industry and Pat McCarran

31:00 Modern Parallels and Ongoing Public Lands Issues

34:10 Public Lands and Privatization

34:55 Political Shifts in Public Lands

38:19 Bernard Devoto’s Activism

38:51 The Land Grab Plot Evolution

40:18 Devoto’s Fight Against Dams

43:41 Devoto’s Later Years and Legacy

54:15 The Devoto-Child Connection

01:02:53 Reflections on Public Lands

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