Hey, Chris here: I have to sound in at least briefly about what a truly magical moment this interview was.I came in with the information that a guy who was Brendan Melican’s friend made the Wings Over commercial we talked about in the last episode, and that he was willing to talk to us about it, and that eating a lot of mushrooms was a key component of filming, and basically zero other information. At the beginning of the interview, I say how I am a fan of his work, and he asks which work, and I say “Oh the only work I know, which is this commercial”. He takes that real graciously for a guy who we discover in real time during the episode has also had a career working with Ke$ha, Onyx, Waka Flocka Flame, DMX, Icona Pop, Sean Paul, Travis Barker, ODB, Doja Cat, Britney Spears, etc etc etc. I also had zero idea that he worked on one of my extremely very favorite albums, The Spirit Of Apollo, which we talk about.

I hope the joy of finding out that Al is so much more than Bill and I knew in terms of a story and also him being a Real Wistah Guy comes through. I also really loved that we discovered we have a whole bunch of mutual friends between the three of us. This is a record of one of the best hours I have ever spent completely unprepared to be on the phone with someone who it turns out is kind of one of my heroes. We’ll definitely be having Al back again for Wicked Wistah.O Pato video Way Down/bird gang war video Wings Over Worcester fight Wings Over Outtakes

They really did light up in there by the way…

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∿Outro: N.A.S.A. - O Pato (feat. Kool Kojak & DJ Babão)

∿Intro by Bill Shaner 12.8.25

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