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Inter Milano’s Chivu on THE REAL REASON America Isn’t a Soccer Country YET + Super Bowl vs World Cup
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Do you ever wonder why American soccer is so far behind European football? Well, guess what? Today you're going to learn about that. And who are the best American football players that could transition over to soccer in Europe? Man, we got a great guest for you. The one and only head coach of Inter Milan, Cristian Chivu. He's coming on the show and we're going to have ourselves a blast. So make sure you like and subscribe to our YouTube channel. Go follow us on social media and find us on Apple and Spotify. Wherever you listen to your podcast, we're going to be there. Let us know in the comments what questions you want us to ask him. We'll try to get to those and hopefully you enjoy this episode. Welcome to out of pocket with RG3, hosted by your boy and the lovely, incredible 110 Time All American, Greta Griffin. You ready to do this?
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I'm ready.
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Let's go. Welcome to the show. Christy and Chivu. We are so happy to have you here, man. How you doing?
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I'm good, thank you. Thank you for having me. It's a pleasure always.
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We're going to start off with a segment called Opening Drive. So you are a former European soccer player and you're a current head coach of Inter Milan. But what I want to know is how did your love and passion for the NFL start?
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C
It started a long time ago. I think it was, I don't know, it was the first Tom Brady Super Bowl. No, I was, I read this article about the Bledsome Brady, what happened, whatever happened to Bledsoe, the injury that he had and how he stepped over and took his place. And I wanted to watch that super bowl because I said, yeah, this is a different story. It's a nice story for one guy who has picked, I don't know, 169 in the draft and now he's ready to, to lead his team to the Super Bowl. And yeah, I fall in love with, with Brady. I fell in love with the Patriots as well. And it's been a long time that I'm watching actually every year. This, I was a huge Patriots fan, but I have a lot of admiration for the Ravens.
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You were also a big Ravens fan, huh?
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Oh, yeah, I was a big Ray Lewis, actually. I admire him a lot because I, I really like the, the athlete. I really, I really like the, the character, the way he was playing, what he put on the game every time he stepped on the field, the leadership. I was impressed by that. And I'm still a Raven fan and I'm still cheer for Lamar to go to the super bowl and try to win it. I had big expectation I think this season, but yeah, it didn't happen.
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Think is holding them back from getting over that hump. You know, being a coach and you, you know, struggle to get over that hump. What do you think it is? I don't.
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I think last season they had a great season and I was expecting this season to. To make the. The. The forward step to achieve something better, to grow as a team. Probably the injuries he had. He missed some games with some injuries that put them back and they didn't achieve the. The results that they were hoping. At one point of the season I thought they're gonna make it to going to the playoff. But yeah, it's season. It's always depend of the value of the amount of injuries you have. Especially in a sport like American football. Especially in the quarterback with the quarterback that he's the. The leader of the team, he's the mind of the team that everything is around him when he's missing. When your best player is missing, all the plan can go south.
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Who, who is your favorite in the NFL?
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Josh Allen. Okay, I like him. I like Josh Allen. I see a lot of qualities, a lot of leadership in him or expectation for me this season were high for him as well. I like Patrick Mahomes as well. He had not a very good season. He had an injury now he's having an injury now. So I hope, I'm hoping that is going to come back fit and ready for bringing the Chiefs back where where they used to be in the last three years, four years. I like my. Garrett is one of my favorite.
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Yeah.
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Oh yeah. He's keeping the level. He's 30 years old, playing a lot of season in the NFL, but he's keeping the level. I appreciate the quality of the players, the leadership of the players, the ones who are making the difference. The one who are promoting this amazing sport especially for in Europe that we started lately to get to get more. More and more attention. We watch. We have the possibility now to watch every game. We have the red zone. So every Sunday a lot of people are stuck in front of the TV to watch watch the game. For us it's at night, so yeah, it's a. It's a fun way spending the Sunday night football games and the. The Monday night. It's a little bit late for everybody in Europe, but we watch the highl day.
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Do you think the NFL is doing a good job of trying to make American football global?
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Yeah, yeah. Especially with the games in Europe. I was in Madrid in November to watch Washington against Miami Dolphins. I was there. It was amazing. And especially they go in England, they go in Germany, probably. They said they're going to come in Italy as well when they, when we're going to build a stadium that will fit this kind of. Of competition, this kind of sp. But they are doing a great job. Yeah. And it's growing in Europe. It's growing. It used to be people were used to watch only the super bowl, but now they are. Lately they start to watch the whole season. It's only 17 games, plus the playoffs. So, yeah, it's fun to watch.
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What do you think European football or soccer, whatever you want to call it, what do you think they do better than the NFL?
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I think it's the tradition. It's been 100 years, more than 100 years that people in Europe had only this kind of sport. Right. In America, American football had to fight with the basketball, with the baseball as well. And I think it's leading at this moment become. Has become a sport that. That's amazed everybody. Global basket probably was in front a couple of years ago, but now, now football, American football is, Is recovering because of the interest, because of the, the quality of the player. Patrick Mahomes, Tom Brady before. There are known people in all over the world. So this kind of players, they are branding this sport all over the world. And yeah, the soccer is different because it's a long history. It's the passion. Everybody's watching it. We don't have to split in between different sports. In Europe, it's only soccer and that's it. You have baseball, you have basketball. It's a bit difficult for one sport to gain advantage, but yeah, you do a great job. So we have to congratulate. Congratulate you.
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I tell that to Robert literally all the time. Like, the sports fandom in Europe is like unmatched. Like, you cannot find that in America. Like, we'll, we'll go to Europe. My, my, I'm from Estonia. We'll go to Estonia. We're watching basketball game on tv and like you don't see that at a basketball game in America. Like, they, it's just so. It's just so different than like NFL games. Like, it's loud, it's a show. But your guys's stadium on a big night like that, you can't compare that to the NFL. It's a whole different ball game. So as a. Yeah, we actually, we
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don't come for the show. We come from the passion. And we want our team to win and we support them with all we have for, I don't know, in soccer, 90 minutes in basketball, it's one hour or whatever. And yeah, European basket is as well, huge, especially in some, Some. Some countries. In Serbia, for, for example, when it's a derby, Red Star against Partisan, it's crazy, totally crazy. But yeah, hopefully even in America it's gonna be the same. I don't know how is it to play in Seattle, but I think it's for the noise in Kansas as well. For what I'm hearing from television, they produce a lot of noise, but it's not the supporting with the chanting. You know, we. For 90 minutes in soccer, European soccer, they are singing and supporting our team.
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Yeah, I was gonna say, you know, you talk about San Sidro on a big night, like how. How does that atmosphere with all the chanting and the passion from the fans, how does that really impact you as a coach and your players on the field?
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It's amazing, Especially when you're. When they support you. It's not the same thing when you play in a away game because, you know, everybody's against you, but you're professional and you play for. For your teammates, you play for, for yourself. It's always about this kind of responsibility that you have. Of course, when you play at home, it's something extra because they give you energy. They give you also a motive, a reason to. To be more involved, to try to push until the end, no matter. No matter how hard it is for me as a coach, is difficult because most of the time we are attracted to give some indication, to give some players so they can't hear you because 80,000 people that they are screaming, nobody's going to hear you. But even if they hear you, they pretend they don't hear it because they don't want to. But I. I used to do that as well. But, you know, I have to. To put out all my energy, all my adrenaline that I have during a game, and especially when I see things that they are not working or they don't respect the game plan because the dynamic of the game is different. You don't have time to tell them what to do. It's all about distinct. All about what is the individual quality, what is the game plan that we had especially for that game. But things change, as you know, in sport, teams are changing. You have to recognize the model, the momentum. You have to take advantage of whatever they give you. The game plan is something to start with, but it's not only about the game plan, how you react when, when some adversities are. Are coming.
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No doubt.
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All right, we're moving on to another segment called Viral Spiral where we touch on the viral topics of the world. The World cup is coming to the usa. And with that, what do you think this World cup will actually do for the US Soccer?
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Whatever did in 1994, I think because it gave something extra to this, this sport, especially in, in U.S. and scenes. You know, I think this is an extra motivation, an extra thing to, to develop whatever the progress was in the last 20 years. And it's growing. It's growing because I've been there last in the summer we were there for the World cup club World cup competition with the inter. And we saw the, the, the amount of fans there. They are coming. There's more passion in this game and people are starting to watch it. Soccer, women's soccer was already huge, I think for, for the results that they achieved in the Olympics, in the World Cup. Now probably high expectation also for the men's national, the U.S. national team, because they have a lot of good players that they are playing in Europe. And yeah, let's hope that it will become huge. But I don't think it will become at the same level as basketball, baseball or, or NFL, do you? It's gonna take time. Always it's taking time.
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You know, what do you think outside of those sports and competing with, you know, American football, what do you think it is that, that European football, why they're so far ahead of the USA in soccer?
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It's always the tradition, the history that gives you extra motivation. We are born with, with soccer. The first thing that our parents are giving us in Europe, it's a bow. You are as a boy, as a child, the only thing you want in the house. It's a ball that you hate every time. And then you watch games every, every Sunday and you start to have a mentor, you start to have idols, you know, anyone try to copy them. And you go in school, you have a break, 10 minutes break, you play soccer, you come back home if you have time, you go and play soccer. Now you have PlayStation. That is not an ideal thing to do, but still everybody's talking about, about soccer and you, you grow up with that. And then there is the ambition, there is the motivation. It's also the hard work. As you know, it's not, it's not easy to become a professional athlete. It's not easy to be a professional athlete, but you always have to start with the passion. You Always have to start building dreams and try to achieve whatever your dreams are. Try to believe in whatever you want to do. And yeah, the first thing I think a child is thinking, it's playing soccer.
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Yeah. You know, they, they talk about the closing the gap between the USA soccer and European football. Do you, do you think America has done a good job of that? I know they've gone out and gotten guys like Lionel Messi to come over and, and you know, bring excitement by going to Inter Miami. But do you think the gap has been closed and are we doing a good job of trying to close the gap?
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I think it started way before David Beckham was there. A lot of famous European, European players, they used to come to, to, to America to play at the end of their career. Now probably they go more on the east side. Arabic or China, but. But still I think they improved. It's not a lack tactically, technically. I think coaches are well prepared. Everything is well organized. It's, it's only the, the, the quantity I think of the players, youth players that they are in academies or, or whatever. But lately I've seen now here in Milano, you have Pulisic, that is, it's an American player he's playing for AC Milan is a great player. A lot of American players like McKenna is in Juventus. They are playing a top level for top clubs in Europe. So they always going to bring something extra and they always going to bring to the young kids as well something and something to become like, you know, and that's important. Having models, role models are important in every sport and, and soccer is one of it.
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So do you think bringing a global phenom like Cristiano Ronaldo over to the MLS with Lionel Messi changed American soccer for good?
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If you put in, if you put them in the same team, probably, I don't know,
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sign me up for that. That would be great.
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I, I don't think Miami has a stadium that will put the people there to watch them. I don't know. It's going to be crazy.
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No, I'd sign me up for that. That would be, that would, that would literally change American soccer forever. It just. From the attention, you know, from the
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attention, the exposure that the American soccer will have with Messi is already huge because in Europe everybody's talking lately about Inter. Miami is talking about the competition now. They won. So.
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Yeah.
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What's, what's bigger in your opinion, the super bowl or the World Cup Final?
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I think World Cup Final. But it's not, not only in Europe. I think in the whole world. You know, super bowl is this amazing show with two teams that they battle for for six months, seven months. The season is when it started in October. September. October actually. And the super bowl is always in beginning of February. So is this kind of battles where whoever resist whoever is, is developing something important during the season offensive, offensively, defensively. Having luck of not having injuries is. It's getting. Is doing the job done. So I think everybody's trying to do the job done, but it's not easy to do the job done. And you know how it is especially playoff games that it's in or out. And when you play at that level, you know, every mistake can cost you, but it's also the opponent who has a good team who can put you in a lot of troubles. So mentally, physically, you always have to be prepared. A Super bowl, it's, it's something that a final. It's always who's dealing better, the emotion, who's dealing, who's taking advantage of, of whatever the opponent is giving you, who's doing less mistakes. It's always taking care of the ball. It's always don't give it away and try to, to perform better and try to, to score as much as you can.
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When you, when you look at someone who would say I think the super bowl is bigger, I don't, I don't care about the World cup, what are they missing? To not quite understand the gravity of what the World cup actually is and how it has all the eyes of literally every person with a device in their hand on.
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I think the World cup has a story like 80 years that people started to watch it. It was worldwide every, everywhere in the world since 1930 probably or more or less in that period before the Second World War. And, and it's something that has grown because every four years people are, have high expectation for that. And soccer is huge everywhere. Super bowl probably it's only 30 years, 25 years that it become with more exposure in the world. And so it's a 50 years gap probably on those two sports. And then you always have a national team, you always have a country that it's being supported by millions and millions of people. With American football, it's one team that it's of course the, the fan base is huge, every team, but it's not the same as a country. So I think that's the, that that's the, the difference between, between the impact of the World cup in soccer and the Super Bowl.
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Some people have criticized the World cup being in America for their ticket prices because you know you can find ticket prices from 700 to $8,000. And the American Timothy Weah brought out the fact that football should be enjoyed by everybody and it's a popular sport and you know, the World cup will be good, but it will be more of a show. And he was disappointed by the ticket prices. So do you think this year's World cup is mostly going to be for just the people that can, like the, the celebrities and the wealthy people that can afford to be there and they're gonna miss out on the true fans that like just can't afford to go.
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I think it will give opportunity to achieve a ticket at a good price because it happening in Europe as well, especially in the Champions League games where they put up the, the, the, the price of the ticket because it becomes something a business model and they find out that if they raise the level of the tickets, they can make more money. But yeah, in the end people is right because the, the, the.
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The.
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The fan has to be and support his team. He wants to watch a show and he wants to be able to pay for a to in order for him to watch his team, national team playing for the World Cup. So it's a, It's a discussion without an end because is the passion from one side is the passion of a fan and on the other side is the business for whoever is doing this kind of job. Let's find a solution, I think and find the compromise to give them the possibility to spend, I don't know, two weeks in America watching three games for his national team. In the meantime, he has to spend for hotels, for food and let's not take advantage. Also make them pay a lot for the room in a hotel. And let's give them something, an experience that will be forever. Unfortunately, the world is not working this way.
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The world does not love to work that way. And they want to make that money. And I understand that. But I think we all on the this, on this. Com, in this conversation know the difference between a tournament that is celebrating soccer and the true fanatics of it and then one that becomes like a luxury experience.
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I don't know how much I, I've never been to a Super bowl live, but I think even there the prices of the tickets are. Are high.
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Oh, astronaut, right? Yeah. Yeah. You're talking 8 to $10,000 for a normal ticket. So.
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Wow.
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All right, before we let you go, we have a segment called a hot seat segment. Let me just ask you honestly random questions.
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In your opinion, who is the greatest Soccer player of all time.
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I think Ronaldo, the Brazilian. El Phenomeno, because I used to. I used to play against him. I'm talking about the people that I used to play. I always loved Maradona. I always loved Pele. I always loved Johan Cruyff. Those kind of players in a Dinzidane. The player that they. They raised the level of. Of European soccer, not only but choosing what I play with and what I play against. I think Ronaldo is phenomenal. It's is the best.
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Beautiful. Switching over to the NFL, who do you think should be the number one pick in the draft?
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I don't know. I haven't watched whatever is going to be next season, so I'm not so prepared on that. Probably it's always going to be the Heisman Trophy winner. Like you were. You were number. You were number two, actually. But he's always having a big chance. The Heisman Trophy winner Arena to. To be picked number one or number two. Tell me who's. Who's having a big chance? It's always a quarterback or it's the
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Heisman Trophy winner for Nana Mendoza. That's okay.
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Which NFL team do you think has the worst mascot?
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Geez. The Patriots. They have the. The guy with the.
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With the.
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With the rifle.
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Right.
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With the gun. Yeah, I missed that. I will watch it. I will watch it better next time.
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Okay.
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I don't know what do.
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Let me give you a. See, I was going to say I'm a Washington commander. Right. So of course Cowboys have the worst mascot. This is just our biggest r. The rivalry.
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Yeah, right.
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The worst mascot.
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That's actually not true. The commanders have absolutely the worst mascot.
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Oh, wow.
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Their mascot is called Major Tudy.
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Oh, my goodness.
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And it's a. Oh, my goodness.
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We're going there.
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It's a pink pig.
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It's a. It's a hog.
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It's a hog. Literally a.
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No way.
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His name is Major Tutty. The worst thing I've ever seen in my life. It's so bad.
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Major Teddy alone.
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Okay.
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He's great. Right? He used to play for it.
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His name is Major Teddy.
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I understand it. Washington fans are going to kill you for that one. Here we go. I think they do. I really do. I think you're on record of saying that you would rather watch an NFL game than a. Than a big, big Syria match. Is that true?
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So I have those options. And I'm always doing it at Sunday night, especially if we don't have a game. I'm putting in my iPad in Front of, in front of me watching the, the soccer, the Seria game. No matter how important it is on, on the big screen, on the television, I put the red zone.
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I'll take it.
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I always do it. So I, I have disadvantage. But on the big screen I have the red zone show on Sunday night. And then if it's an important game, I watch only that game. But the soccer, I watch it on an iPad.
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We'll take that. Okay. That means we're branching off. The NFL is becoming much more worldwide and global because of red zone and a lot of red zone.
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Yeah, yeah, it's true. It's true. And on Monday morning, I always, when I wake up with my coffee, I watch the highlights of every game that, that has been played on Sunday night and especially in the night, late in the night.
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Beautiful.
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Which NFL player do you think would make a great footballer?
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Oh, great. I think, I can't tell names, but based on the position they played, I think a quarterback will do a perfect midfielder because of the vision, because of the decision that he has to take in a split of a second. I think a linebacker will be a great defender.
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Oh, okay.
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I think a wide receiver would be a great winger.
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Okay.
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For the speed for, for whatever. A running back, I don't know. Where should I put it? I think a wing back. I think a wing back because of the feet, because of the speed, because of also of the vision that he has. Trying to understand whatever the blocking is coming is not easy.
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Right.
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I think. And the courage that he's having going against the wall. I think it will be a great win back. What else is missing. And offensive linemen, I cannot put them anywhere because they are too big and too heavy. A kicker. Yeah, kicker is good. Only kicking probably. He's not. He doesn't have some happy feet. He likes to drink some more beers than normally or athlete.
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The thicker kickers out there.
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First. The black guy was actually a soccer player. Medic.
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Yeah, yeah, we had, we had a kicker who was a soccer player. But you know, obviously he came over to play American football, so he must not have been that great at European football. But no, I would say based on what you said, Lamar Jackson is the quarterback that would. 100%.
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Probably he will play.
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Yeah.
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For the speed, for the vision, for the decision making. I think it will be a great midfielder, actually 100%.
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And then you said wide receiver. I could see like Jackson, Smith and Jigba for the Seahawks. He would to me a great guy that could come over and play European football as Well, I mean, Josh Allen, you know, at quarterback, he basically plays like a linebacker anyway, so I could see him being a hell of a defender.
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So he can be a defender, actually.
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Yeah.
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He's tall, he's fast, he's. We put him back in the ditch.
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No doubt.
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If you.
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He's not gonna like it, probably.
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No, he wants to score poor. He wants to get some goals in.
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Yeah, yeah, definitely.
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All right, if you could delete one soccer fan base off of the Internet, which fan base are you deleting? Who trolls you guys the most?
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I don't want to delete no one because I'm a. I'm a competitors. I like. Fan base is important for sport. So let's keep them there no matter how.
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What.
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How much the adversity is between two clubs. We wish them all well and let's hope that they are not going to win anything. But we love them.
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I love that answer.
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All right. You are Romanian. So do you.
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Yes.
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Your home country, Romania, will qualify for the World cup when they play Turkey in March.
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I hope so. It's been the last World cup that we've been. It's 1998 in France. Romania did an amazing job in 94 in America. They almost reached the semifinal. They lost in the quarterfinals at penalty. Penalties against Sweden. We had a good generation at that time, a good team. Everybody took that team as a role model, especially after. But unfortunately the Romanian team didn't qualify for the coming World Cups until this. This year when we have a possibility because we play a playoff. Actually two playoff. In order for us to. To get to the World Cup. I hope we're going to make it. As a Romanian ex, former player, captain of national team, I didn't manage to qualify the team at the World Cup. We lost two playoff games in two different sessions. And I think if I have to say that I have one regret as a football player is because I didn't participate to World cup and it's still hurting. I still have it inside is one of the biggest regret that I have as a professional athlete. So playing a World Cup, I think it's amazing and I hope Romania will make it. It's not going to be easy against Turkey. We play away. We play in Turkey and we know how difficult it is to play in Turkey in. In a very bad environment where the Turkish fan, especially for the national team, are really loud.
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Speaking of the sport again, what. What sport do you think is. Is harder to play? American football or. Or European football?
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C
I think American football for the contact, physically contact that you have. I don't know how it is, but I can imagine two amazing athletes coming full speed, one to, to each other, no matter how the protection rules are. And they are important because you can hit, you can't hit in a specific part of the body. But when somebody a package full of muscles and multiplied by speed and whatever is coming into you, I think you need a lot of. Of guts to do that. And I, I don't know how it is, how it is for you guys after the game the next day, how, how the stiffness, the pain that you have everywhere. I think it's fair enough. That's why you play only 17 games in, during the season. That's why you play only three or four, three games if you're lucky, if you do the wild card or to get the super bowl and then you have a long rest season that we don't have in soccer because we play 10 months a year and we have only one month of, of break in the summer. But yeah, the con, the physically contact, it's, it's something important that can alternate and can. How do you call dictate whatever your future is and you know, because you had an injury, how important is to be fit? How important is to. To stay fit, healthy and yeah, soccer, no matter how, how hard we play, we play every three days and it's not easy to recover the mind, the body, but still it's not a contact sport. It's just a risky sport because of the speed, because of not giving time to the body to readapt, to re. Start from zero. It's injury, more muscle injuries. Yeah, sometimes some acl, some knees. Because it's a, it's a sport that you. The risk, it's always there, but not as, as American football.
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B
Why do some soccer players fake injuries? The golden question, I feel like it's our entire world. Just like you know, they mock the soccer players for faking injuries because they
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C
try to get advantage of something that they're not going to take advantage. It's only making full of out of themselves in front of the world of people who are watching. Yeah, it's something that it generated probably many years ago where there were. There was only a TV camera that was registered the game or, or broadcasting the game. But now with 30 broadcasting cameras all over the the stadium, you can't fake anymore because they're going to catch you. They're going to see that you fake an injury, that you fake something, a penalty kick to get advantage out of that. Now we have also the, the video system that you. The referees are going in check. Like you have the. In the American football, the red flag that you can go and check something. So it's. It's difficult, but still they have it inside it. I have. We have the same problem in. In a training session. Some players are faking even in training sessions. So we try to get. To get to get rid out of that. Out of them so they don't have to keep it in mind. They have to be sharp. They have to be strong. And you fall only if you get a real hit, not because you think you're gonna get advantage of something that doesn't exist.
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A
Oh, that is hilarious. Faking injuries and training. Well, Christian Chiva, we thank you for coming on the show. Before we let you go, we got a. Just this. This painting's been staring at us this entire. This entire time. What is this painting behind you?
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C
I don't know what it is. It's my wife.
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B
It's really nice.
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C
If she loves it, I love it.
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A
There you go. Happy life. Happy life. That's what they say, right? God can make it happen for him.
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C
Yeah, of course.
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A
Always. We appreciate you coming on the show.
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C
Thank you very much for having me. And I wish you all the best.
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B
Thank you.
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A
God bless.
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C
Thank you. God bless.