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Yo yo yo. Welcome to out of pocket with RG3 hosted by your boy and the lovely, amazing 99 time all American, Greta Griffin. That's right people. We love you guys and we appreciate the love you show us. So make sure you like and subscribe to our YouTube channel. Go find us on Spotify and Apple podcasts, leave a review like and follow as well. We're gonna get right to the business because oh, we got a firecracker today. Foreign.
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Drive Elaine Keffin has set the college football world on fire here. Let's give you guys a quick timeline of events that has happened in the last two months. So starting with September 24th, Lane Giffen documentary was released showing his coaching journey, how much he's matured and changed as a man and as a coach. Then September 27 Old Biscuit beats LSU, essentially helping Brian Gilly fired. And for a bonus, Lane Kiff's daughter is dating LSU's linebacker Wit Weeks and Kiffin made him hold that L 10-26-A month later, LSU fires Brian Kelly and set an eye of the tiger on Lane Kiffin. November 16th to the 17th Kiffin's family makes a trip to Florida and LSU to scope out the areas that could potentially be their new home. November 18th reports emerge that Ole Miss's Vice Chancellor for Intercollegiate Athletics Keith Carter and Chancellor Glenn Boyce have given Lane Giffen an ultimatum to decide if he's going to stay at Ole Miss or leave the coach at LSU or Florida. Also November 18th given the NICE, an ultimatum was issued. November 21st Ole Miss Vice Chancellor for Intercollegiate Intercollegiate Athletics Keith Carter and Chancellor Glen Boyce met with Kiffin and and agree an announcement would come after the Egg bowl against Mississippi State on November 28th. Now, November 28th to the 30th was just pure chaos. Lane Giffen and Ole Miss get into a complete PR battle of conflicting reports of what happened and it ends with Lane Kiffin posting this After a lot of prayer and time spent with family, I made a difficult decision to accept the head coaching position at lsu. I I was hoping to complete a historic six season run with this year's team by leading Ole Miss through the playoffs, capitalizing on the team's incredible success and the commitment to finish strong and investing everything into a playoff run with guardrails in place to protect the program in areas of concern. My request to do so was denied by Keith Carter, despite the team also asking him to allow me to keep coaching them so they could better maintain their high level of performance. Unfortunately, that means Friday's Egg bowl was my last game coaching the Rebels. While I am looking forward to new start with a unique opportunity at lsu, I will forever cherish the incredible six years I spent at Ole Miss and will be rooting hard for this team to complete their mission and bring a championship to Oxford. Lane KIFFIN and then November 30, Pete Golding elevated to a full time head coach at Ole Miss. Do you think Lane Kiffin was wrong for leaving Ole Miss for lsu?
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Absolutely not. Lane Kiffin did the best thing for himself and also for his family. Anybody saying to themselves that they gonna pass up on a hundred M's, a hundred M's, million dollars to go coach one of the most prestigious schools ever in college football history is lying to you. And the bottom line is this. Lane Kiffin doesn't lose. Because whatever you think about him and his personality and his reputation, you're always going to think that. And this certainly isn't going to make you feel like he's a changed man, but he's going to go build a new program at a job that he sought after for a very long time. My sources tell me that Lane Kiffin wanted the LSU job since he was at Florida Atlantic years ago. He's always had his eyes on this job. Well, Ole Miss isn't losing because, well, they just named Pete Golding the new head coach, permanent head coach. So they'll keep their defense, they'll keep the majority of their defensive recruiting class and now they just got to figure out the offensive side of it. So who is the real loser in this situation? The real loser are the players. The players are the ones that are being hurt. They're on their way to the College Football Playoff 11 win team and they don't have their head coach, the guy who truly was the lifeblood of their program. So when we talk about these things with Lane Kibbon taking this and doing that, we're not even talking about how it's going to impact those young men who were not just relying on Lane Kiffin, but they were also relying on the leadership at Ole Miss to do what's right for this year. Because they're not going to get this opportunity back. And the team will not be the same next season. So that to me is the thing that is missing here. Lane Kiffin did what was right for him and his family. But right now, because of the tit and the tap between him and Ole Miss, the players are the ones that are losing out.
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But how do you feel about when Lane Kiffin now gives his entire staff an Ultimatum and says, pretty much, if you are not on the plane with me today, you are not going to be part of my coaching staff.
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Yeah. I mean, it looks bad. I'm not going to lie to you. It looks bad, but it's business. Business is very cutthroat. And. And him giving them the ultimatum, he's just letting them know, hey, draw a line in the sand. I'm going to lsu. Are you coming with me or are you not? And for Pete golden, he. They offered him an opportunity to be the head coach. You know how hard it is to be a head coach in the sec, how hard it is to get those jobs.
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Yeah.
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So I don't blame Pete Golding. I also don't blame any of the staff that went with Lane Kiffin. But this is the thing that your question brings up for me. We have to get rid of this idea that college football isn't a business, it's a business.
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Yeah, it is.
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Coaches are going to do what is in the best interest of them, just like players. But for some odd reason, we seem to always persecute the players when they go in the transfer portal and we say to them, hey, why are you doing this? Why are taking more money to go there? Why don't you have any loyalty or have any respect to the traditions of this school and that school? Well, how can we expect the kids to do it when the adults in the room aren't doing it? Coaches can go anywhere they want to at any time. They're leaving before the season is over. So how can you vilify a young man for leaving before the season is over? Going into the transfer portal. Coaches are hitting the coaching transfer portal all the time.
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Yeah.
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John Sumrall, he's going to be the new head coach at Florida. He's coaching Tulane through their conference championship and maybe their College Football playoff birth. Eric Morris at North Texas. He's new head coach at Oklahoma State. He's coaching North Texas through their conference championship and potential college football playoff. I'm not saying those things to say that Lane Kiffin should have been allowed to coach. What I'm saying is, if the adults in the room aren't going to do it the right way and stay committed through the season, you can't expect the children, the players, to do the same. Now, that brings up this point. Should Ole Miss have allowed Lane Kiffin to coach through the College football playoff? When it comes to boots, you can tell the difference between shoes built for a season and quality shoes built for life. I'll be honest I've had plenty of pairs that look good for about a month before falling apart. But with Helm boots, I you feel the difference the second you pull them on. These are crafted from full grain leather and premium materials that only get better with age. Every pair is designed to last and made to move with you from the weekday grind to a night out. These aren't just boots, they're an investment piece. The kind you'll still be wearing years from now. And Helm stands behind their work. A three year craftsmanship guarantee plus a 100 day worn in return policy. Yeah, you can wear them, break them in, live life in them and still, still send them back if they're not right. That's confidence you can respect. So if you're ready to stop buying new boots every year, check out Helm boots craftsmanship you can trust. We've teamed up with the Helm boots to bring you an early holiday offer. Head to Helm boots.com and use code RG3 for 30 off your first pair. Invest in yourself with quality boots built to last. That's helmboots.com code RG3 for 30% off you your first pair.
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I think thinking of the only. It's like a divorce, right? The only thing that matters is the kid.
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Yeah, that's a good point.
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So I feel like in here the, the, the higher up should not be petty and they should allow him to coach through the end of the season for the simple fact that it's about the boy, the guys that are playing and that this decision will most affect. So I do think he should, should have been allowed to coach through the end of season. I understand. I also understand that he took a job with a rival school and like, you know, burned all the bridges. But I also feel like like if you put all of that aside, he should have been allowed to coach till the end of the season because you only should think about the players.
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Yeah, here's what I, and I was gonna say. I'm a. I'm gonna go ahead and let you know why you're wrong. And then it was gonna be an interesting night because, you know, this is a married couple.
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No, I would love to. For you to tell me where I'm wrong.
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No, no, it's not you, you, you, you self corrected it because I agree Lane Kiffin should have been allowed to coach through the remainder of the season.
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Okay.
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If the adults in the room were adults. If the adults in the room were adults. When they came to Lane Kiffin, they asked him, hey, are you. Do you want to take the LSU job. And he says to them, yes, I want to go be the head coach at lsu, but. But I want to finish this out with you guys. Everyone would understand.
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Do you think that didn't happen?
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I. I don't know what happened. I know all the reports out there. They gave him an ultimatum. He gave them an ultimatum. He gave the coaches an ultimatum. They gave the players, and the players wanted him to stay, and then he didn't. They didn't let him stay. What I am saying is you only get so many opportunities to play for a national championship. Of course, right? So with those opportunities, you have to maximize them. And I think it was the job of both Lane Kiffin and the leadership at Ole Miss to say, I'm pissed off that you are leaving to go coach at lsu. We feel slighted by that. The public is going to be on our side when they say, when they see that you have gone and decided to be the coach at a rival school. I think at that point, cooler heads should have prevailed and the kids should have been the main story, and they should allowed Lane Kiffin to coach through the remainder of the season for the children. Now, with the way that it played out and all the messiness in the PR battle, that was never going to be possible. I don't think it ever should have got to that point. And here is the main reason why. A lot of times when you. When you're going through something in life, a disagreeance or why didn't this happen? Why didn't that happen? You always want to make sure you're prepared, right? Prepared for whatever is to come. So when your number is called, you can go execute. Hey, I haven't got an opportunity to give this presentation at work. They're always giving it to Shondala. Okay, so now Shondala isn't getting the opportunity because Shondala calls out sick. So you know what, Greta? Boom, you're up. It's your opportunity to present at your job, and this is going to make or break your career. Well, if you're always complaining about Shondala and you're not preparing, you're not ready when your number is called, you're above reproach because you have done everything, even when it wasn't expected of you. All right? So now when you look at it from this standpoint, Ole Miss doesn't come out of this unscathed. They don't, because although Lane Kiffin looks bad because, oh, he left his team before the end of the season, he's not going to the College Football playoff He's done this before. Look at what he did to Tennessee. Look at what happened at usc. Look what happened with the Raiders. All those things are true. But the way that Ole Miss could have came out of this unscathed was not turning it into a nuclear war at the end of the season and allowing him to coach in the College Football Playoff without the drama.
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Yeah.
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And here's why. Do you think that Lane Kiffin is leaving Ole Miss to go to LSU if they win a national championship?
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No.
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Why?
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Because that's doing something historic. You know what I mean? Like, LSU is such a big program, such a huge program, but the fact that he did that at Ole Miss, I feel like, is, like, means so much more if I say that right way.
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And that's the SEC slogan. So good job hitting a plug for them there. Yeah. It just means more.
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I did not know that at all.
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But my point is, he would be out of his mind to leave and go to LSU if he just led Ole Miss to a national championship.
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I. I agree.
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He would be out of his mind. He so out of his mind that even if he decided to stay after the national championship, no one would be like, yeah, man, that's really messed up that he left lsu.
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I agree.
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So not only do you look at it from a standpoint of, let's take care of the kids, let's take care of the student athletes, let's not have this divorce and put the kids in a bad spot, let's let them enjoy this moment of going and trying to win a national championship, and who knows what's going to happen at the end of the season. Make LSU wait. Make LSU wait.
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What if they now go and win the Natty without Lane Kiffin?
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Now, that's a different story. That's a different story. Because if they. If they. If. I mean, come on now. If they leave, if he leaves and they win the national championship without Lane Kiffin, he'll have even more pie on his face.
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Face. Oh, yeah.
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I know you. I don't know if you guys saw, but we'll show you the clip of if we have it. We'll show you the clip of Lane Kiffin leaving.
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Oh.
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Boarding his private jet to go to lsu. And he is getting booed out of his mind behind the gate. So all the fans and the people showed up to boo him on his departure. So the moment he gets out of the car, it's like, middle fingers everywhere.
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I mean, they're calling them all kind of names, and.
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Which leads me to the name that he Was called.
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Oh, yeah.
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From a reporter, Ben Garrett from On3, who's called and said, you can't turn a hoe into a housewife.
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Yep.
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Referring to Lane Kiffin.
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Yep.
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What do you think about that?
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Yeah. I mean, Ben Garrett's wrong. It's a fireable offense. We don't want to get people fired. We don't want to call for people's jobs. But when you're in this line of work and you're an actual reporter and a journalist, you. You can't use the phrase, you can't turn a hoe into a housewife and have it be referring to a coach or being.
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Referring to anything.
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A coach, a player. It's not that it's unprofessional, Mary, to a. To a point where I understood why Lane Kiffin confronted him about it. And when he confronted him about it, he went. He went cold turkey. He looked like he saw a ghost. And, like, people are congratulating Ben Garrett because, listen, college football and football in general is. Is led by fanatics. Like, yeah, there's fans of Lane Kiffin and there's people who are not fans of Lane Kiffin, and they're praising him. They're praising Ben Garrett for what he did. But at some point, you do have to have a certain level of decorum. And listen, we've all made mistakes. We've all made mistakes in life. But to double down on it and say it was a correct usage of the phrase is also hella unprofessional. Now, I'm not gonna lie. The memes that came out of it were pretty funny. The memes that came out of it pretty funny. But you just can't. You cannot say that and expect one to get access to a coach, which he does. Ben Garrett doesn't have to work. Worry about that anymore because he's essentially a beat reporter for Ole Miss. So he's not going to have any access to Lane Kiffin. So he. That's probably what he was thinking. He probably knew in his heart of hearts that Lane was leaving, so it didn't matter if he used that reference. But I just don't think that anyone should ever be using that phrase to discuss a coach's decision to go to another school, a player's decision to go to another school, or really anything that has to do with journalism in itself.
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I agree. The fact that he came up with that in reference to that is actually, like, genius. But like I said, like you said, like, so.
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Yeah.
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If you're trying so out of pocket.
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Yeah. If you're trying to take a shot at somebody, makes sense. If you're trying to do your job as a reporter, doesn't make sense at all. You know, one thing that, that I will say is I do not blame Ole Miss fans, Ole Miss fans or people who are not Lane Kiffin fans. I don't blame them for being upset for him leaving. He spent six years at Ole Miss, built him into a perennial winner. Jackson Dart becomes a first round pick at the quarterback position under Lane Kiffin's tutelage. There are 11 wins this year going to the College Football Playoff. And they want to feel like they are wanted.
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Yeah.
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Like they're not the step cousin or stepsister or brother to LSU and Alabama and Georgia. I completely understand that.
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Yeah.
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So them being upset with Lane Kiffin, no quarrels there. But anybody at home that ain't Ole Miss fan that doesn't understand why Lane Kiffin would leave for $100 million to coach the most prestigious, prestigious school. One of the most prestigious schools in all of college football. You're lying to yourself.
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Yeah.
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This is, it's a democracy. You got freedom of choice. Right. Well, you can do what you want to further your career in the ways that you can. And Lane Kiffin decided for me and my family, not just the money, but the, the prestige that LSU provides him, it was worth it to him.
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Yeah.
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If he took less money, I would not agree with that. If he, if he, if Ellis, if Ole Miss was going to give him the exact same contract, I wouldn't agree with that. But I don't believe that they were going to match him dollar for dollar. And because of that, he took the next best opportunity. And everyone, everyone would take that opportunity. In the business world, that's just the way it is.
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They would have matched him dollar for dollar if he waited until he won the natty dad.
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That is true. I think that is true. So that's, that's my feelings on the Lane Kiffin situation. I think he did what's best for his family, took the job. I understand why Ole Miss is upset, but I do think that the one thing that has been lost in this whole conversation that's been going back and forth is the players. Let's talk gifts. Not the kind that get tossed in the drawer, but the kind that actually get used and appreciated. The the holidays are coming fast and Shady Ray sunglasses are an easy win. Every pair is polarized, durable and lightweight. They've got a ton of great looking high performance styles that hold up no matter what you throw at them and the price way less than you'd expect for the quality. And here's what sets them apart. If you lose or break your shade, Shady Rays has your back with their lost and broken protection. No hassle, just a solid guarantee. So whether you're picking up a pair for someone on your list or grabbing one for yourself, Shady Rays makes gifts gifting simple quality build, looks great and actually is worth it. Start your holiday gifting early by heading to shadyrays.com and use code RG3 for 35 off polarized sunglasses. Try for yourself. The shades are rated five stars by over 300,000 people. That's shadyrays.com code RG3 for 35 off polarized Sunglasses. The plays and then who's going to go with them? Who's. I mean, he's got a lot of talented offensive players at Ole Miss and, and if we're being quite frank, a lot of those players want, probably wanted to go to lsu and that's exactly why Lane Kiffin left. So I mean, we can.
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That's true.
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It's, it's, it's a crazy world. I just think we got to stop vilifying players for doing what coaches have been doing forever. And then also before we get off this topic, like, we gotta stop acting like coaches just coach because they love to coach and they do it for free. No. A hundred million dollars. John Sumrall, if he just loved coaching and he just was the most loyal guy of all time, he'd stay in Tulane.
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That's true.
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He wouldn't go to Florida to make seven and a half million dollars. So we have to stop this notion or this feeling that, oh, they're just doing it because they love to coach young men. Some coaches do, but they wouldn't do it for free.
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Facts.
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Some coaches like coaching and molding young men to become better men more than others.
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Yep.
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I, I don't disagree with that. But to act like they do it for free and that college football isn't a business. It's a business, people. All right, if you work at Oracle, or let's say you work at Family Dollar and Oracle comes calling and says, we want to hire you, you're going to Oracle if they're paying you more money, it's a more prestigious business. I get off of this topic now. And let's get to the next segment.
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Viral spiral number one. The Texas Longhorns and SEC fans are banging the drum for them to get into the college football playoffs with three losses because they just upset Texas A And M Maggies on rivalry week, an Aggie team that many believe was the best team in the country. Should Texas get into the playoffs with three losses?
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No.
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Do you think that the committee is punishing Texas for playing Ohio State?
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No. I think the committee and all fans with a brain are judging Texas because they lost to Ohio State.
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Yes.
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Okay. They lost three games. Look, look at me, look at me. I'm the captain now. Texas fans, I understand it. You want the, the Longhorns to be in the College Football Playoff. I love Sark. I've always been a supporter of Arch Manning. But the bottom line is you lost three games. It doesn't matter if you beat Texas A M and people thought they were the best team in the country. What matters is you lost to Ohio State, you lost to Florida and you lost to Georgia. Florida has three wins. Okay, so listen, you want the biggest brands to be in the College Football Playoff? Yes. Texas is the biggest brand, but they didn't earn it this year.
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No.
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You have three losses. They're not punishing you because you scheduled Ohio State. They're punishing you because you lost to Ohio State. And no three loss team should get into the College Football playoff. There are 15 teams in the country from the Power Four conferences right now that have zero to two losses. That's more than enough teams to fill a 12 team bracket. If you have three losses, sorry about it. You gotta go. Sorry. Not sorry. Paul Feinbaum.
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Paul said that Texas belongs in the CFP and they should not be penalized for doing the right thing.
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The right thing is the right thing. Losing.
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No, I get it.
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They, they're saying, hey, they're, they're scheduling Ohio State and they're, and they're taking on the big tough challenges early in the season.
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That's great.
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Win. And if you don't win that game, you can't lose to Florida. You can't have three losses and then say it would be a crime against humanity. It, it would be a disservice to, to the, the College Football Playoff and college football. If Texas isn't in the College Football Playoff, you can't say that you lost three games. If you didn't lose to Iowa State and you won that game 10 and 2, you'd be in 1,000% if you lost. Ohio State didn't lose to, to, to Florida, you'd be in 10 and 2, 100%. But you did.
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You can't, you can't play favorites like that. Like, I understand it's Texas and they're saying, oh, Texas has to be in. No, they don't. Like you said, love Sark. I have a great relationship with Sock's wife. Like, love their family. But this is just about college football. Okay? Florida State was left out with zero losses. I am always gonna come back to that. So how are you gonna put Texas in with three losses with when you left Florida State out when they had not lost the game all season? Like, that's all I need to know. No, they should not be in the College Football Playoff because you didn't even put the team that didn't lose any games into the College Football Playoff. Because the SEC bias and whatever else you want to call is so big that you are willing to leave out teams that have won every single game of the season and the fact that they beat Texas A M. But Texas A M has had the easiest schedule of their lifetime this entire season. So I'm. I'm done.
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No, it's a good point. Texas A and M schedule doesn't. Doesn't really look great now that they have that one loss to Texas. But the bottom line is they lost one game.
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Yeah.
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And if you beat who was on your schedule inside of a Power 4 conference, we shouldn't be punishing you for it. If you have less losses than a team, you should be in, they should be out.
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Thank you.
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But that takes us to virus.
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While number two, viral spiral, number two, BYU, sits at number 11 in the AP poll behind Alabama at the moment, and number 11 also in the latest CFP poll. Do you think BYU has earned their spot in the College Football Playoff?
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Yes. BYU has earned its spot in the College Football Playoff for a number of reasons. One, they have an 11. One record. All right? And they made it to their conference championship game with one loss. Any team in the power four that makes it to their conference championship game with one loss should be in the College Football Playoff period, regardless of the result.
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Thank you.
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Okay. One or less losses. You're in.
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Yes.
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Period. So when I see right now that BYU has been ranked at number 11 in the AP poll, and they've been sitting there at number 11 in the college Football Playoff rankings for weeks now, despite the fact that they have less losses than teams that are in front of them, Alabama being one of them, and I know, hey, man, Alabama. Alabama's got the mystique. Alabama's got a great team. They're 10 and 2. They made it to the SEC championship game. But guess what? If Alabama loses, If Alabama loses in the. In the SEC Championship, they'd have three losses. They shouldn't be in the College Football Playoff. BYU has the coach, has the quarterback, has the fan base, the has the ability to win on offense and shut you down on defense. They are a team that is worthy of being in the College Football Playoff. Let me take it even a step further. You want to talk about BYU and, and resumes? Let's, let's look at this resume right here between BYU and a Texas A and M team that has one loss that no one is doubting whether or not they are going to be in the College Football Playoff. You look at them head to head comparison.
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Okay?
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Right Now BYU is two in one versus the current top 25. Texas A&M is one on one. BYU has six wins over bowl eligible teams. A M has five. BYU's best win, number 12 Utah A&M's best win, number nine, Notre Dame. And their worst loss is BYU lost at Texas Tech on the road. Number five in the country, A M lost to number 16, Texas on the road. So when you look at that by itself, BYU already has a better resume than A M, who is ranked ahead of them and three or four other teams that are ranked ahead of them. It's why I have BYU sitting at number six on my list because that's where they should be. And the reason that I say that at some point in college football wins and losses have to matter. You want to take a shower? I feel you. I want to wash off some of this, this body bias that's been going on in the, in the, in the rankings as well. BYU is the, is the definition of a team that wins and losses have to matter. If you are in a Power 4 conference and you have less losses than a team that is also In a Power 4 conference, you should be ranked ahead of them. Why? Because if it's, if it's the power four, then you're saying that each and every one of these conferences is worthy of being a power conference. You don't get to say a two loss SEC team or three loss SEC team is better than a one loss ACC, Big 12 or Big 10 team, you don't get to do that. Otherwise we got to start calling it the Power. The Power two. Yeah. If it's just going to be the SEC and the Big Ten that has more heavily weighted, is more heavily weighted in the rankings, then just call it the Big two. But right now it's not called the Big two, it's called the Power four. So BYU has taken care of business inside of its Power 4 conference. They should be in the playoff period, you say, well, if you. If it's a neutral field and they line up, who are you picking to win? Byu, Alabama, Georgia, Oregon? I don't know, people. That's why the game is played inside the lines. You earn the right to get on that field. And the right is not determined based off the patch that you wear on your chest. The conference that you're in, wins and losses have to matter. BYU should be in because they've won the games on their schedule in a Power 4 conference. Stop the persecution of the Christians, man. Come on.
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That's good to me, and that's just my personal opinion. So many decisions are made. Like you said, they should be made while you're inside the lines. But so many decisions are made outside the lines. To me, Alabama hasn't been the Alabama that it used to be for years now.
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Yeah.
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Oh, you agree? Okay, great.
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I agree. I agree.
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But even though they're 10 and two, like, they're great, right? But I still feel like Alabama hasn't been Alabama. And there's so many smaller schools that are stepping up, like byu. I don't even know if it's a smaller school or whatever. But byu, Vanderbilt, like, yeah, we got basketball schools now becoming football schools. So, like. But no one's taking them seriously for some reason. So now you can go undefeated. You can only have one last. And they're still like, oh, okay, but Alabama. But Texas. And we're like, well, did they play better? Did they have a better record? No, they didn't. So you gotta give the other school a chance. But some reason they don't, because they want to just stick to the same exact schools every single year. And no matter how anybody else plays, they're like, oh, yeah, but. And I hate that. I don't like that at all. Like we talked about today. I think it's so stupid. The ACC championship is going to be played between Duke and Virginia. And I understand Duke. What you say Duke has five losses.
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Duke is seven and five.
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Duke is seven and five. They have lost five, five games. Miami has only lost two games. But Miami will not be playing in the conference championship because Duke lost less conference games. Make that make sense. Like, I get it. But, like, now you have a team that's 7 and 5 versus 10 and 2, and the 10 and 2 team won't be in the championship.
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Yeah. And you might as well turn this into Virus Spiral three, because at the end of the day, you talk about Duke being seven and five. They. They actually have the same amount of conference Losses. But based off the tie break, they end up going to the ACC championship over Miami.
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B
What was the tie break?
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There's a, there's a, like a four or five team tie between Virginia, Duke, Miami, Pitt, like and they had, they had all these different teams that all had two losses. And whenever the metrics were all done, Duke was the one that won out despite me having a 7, 5 record. So I'm saying that Miami is a team that a lot of people are complaining, thinks it should be in the College Football Playoff over Notre Dame. Right now, based off the rankings, Notre Dame would be in the college football playoffs. But who beat Notre Dame?
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Miami.
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Miami. Miami beat Notre Dame and guess what, they both had the same amount of losses. So there's no real defined criteria for how these teams are getting into the college football playoffs.
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Who's making the decisions? Somebody needs to, somebody needs to, to re evaluate that. Cuz that, that, that makes no sense.
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Yeah, it's a committee that, that is putting this together and it's like, you know what? Instead of just saying, all right, listen, if you lose, if you lose more games than the other teams in the Power 4 conferences, you're going to be ranked lower than that.
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B
Thank you.
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And then when you are right there and you all have the same records now we can piece together strength of schedule, strength of record, best win, best loss, and we can do all those metrics tricks, but it doesn't make sense when both teams have the same record and one team beat the other team. And trust me, love Notre Dame. Yeah, love Marcus Freeman. I think Jeremiah loves one of the best players in the country.
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Agree.
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But right is right. And right now the ACC is at risk of not getting a team into the College Football Playoff if duke wins the ACC championship. They would be 8 and 5. And I already told you no three loss team should be in the College Football Playoff. So Damn sure no 5 loss team should be in the conference. I should be in the College Football Playoff. Yeah, because now you're at a situation where this week we're going to be at the Mountain west championship game. That's between Boise State and unlv. If UNLV wins the the Mountain West Conference championship and Duke wins the ACC Championship, we're going to get two group of five teams in the College Football Playoff. That's crazy. I love it. I love parody in college football. But that would mean the winner between North Texas and Tulane goes to the College Football Playoff in that highest ranked group of five. Because I think they would jump James Madison University. But If James Madison then wins their conference championship and Duke wins the ACC championship, James Madison is in. Well, I mean, it's. Honestly, it's crazy. And the reason is you take the five highest ranked conference champions. So now if Duke wins the ACC championship and they're not ranked, JMU and another group of five team should get into the college football playoffs. If JMU loses, North Texas or two lane wins, then you're talking about UNLV. If they win, they'd be 11 and 2. And they would also have a great opportunity to get included in the cfp. That would literally throw college football on its head.
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Oh yeah, and there would be some.
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Changes because SEC already wants five schools in. Heck, they want six now. But there would be some changes and honestly, I think it would be the most beautiful thing for college football. I know. Virginia.
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B
Absolutely.
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A
Why do you think that?
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B
Because like, like I said, like I said before, like the committee only wants the big school. The big school. The big school. And you see it every week with the rankings. The big school loses, they don't, they don't fall in the rankings.
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Nope.
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The big school loses the second week, they might fall one spot if that. The big school loses the third week, they're still freaking dead there. You got the smaller school or the rest, whatever. Paul Findm, just use relevant. Less relevant school loses and they are down 10 spots. They are down seven spots.
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Yep.
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What sense does that make? Stop freaking. Just stop. What's the word that I'm looking for here?
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Chasing the money.
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B
There you go. Stop chasing the freaking money.
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Like we get it. Like we get it. College football is a money making business. You know, you know who makes the most money? The biggest brands.
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B
Yep.
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So you know why the biggest brands are always ranked the highest when the preseason rankings come out? Because they want to give the biggest brands the best opportunities to get into the college football player and they want.
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To keep the relationships and whatever else. But it's bs.
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A
It's the truth. The truth of the matter is they want those teams in because those teams have the biggest fan bases. More people know about those teams, more people know those, those teams coaches and those teams players. And what I'm saying is, I'm not telling it to you to be like, man, you should really hate this. I'm just saying understand the game that's being played.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And if you can understand the game, you can win.
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C
Right.
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That's why Lane Kiffin left to go to lsu. Because he, he knows every single year LSU is going to have an opportunity to be ranked higher than Ole Miss when the preseason rankings come out, no matter how bad they play the year before. That's just the truth about it. So when you, when we, when you have these frustrations is to say, just win. If you're in a power for conference, just win your games.
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B
Yep.
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I'm looking forward to a very exciting conference championship week because there's so many possibilities. Our game is on Friday, Fox. You're right on Big Fox in, in Boise, Idaho. We're going to be with the blue turf. It's going to be a blast. Come check us out because that game could truly determine what happens in the College Football Playoff and who's in and who's out.
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B
Now that we're done yelling for 30 minutes, we are two weeks out from our Heisman Trophy ceremony. So let's hear our Heisman list for what, the second final time?
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Yeah, second. Second final time might be the final time. I don't know.
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B
Let's hear it.
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But here's. We are with the Heisman list right now. I got Jacob Rodriguez still at number one. He, you know, saying right here, got him on the shirt. Got him on the shirt. He's still an amazing, having an amazing year. When you look at his numbers in comparison to Manta Teos when he was the Heisman runner up, I, I believe Jacob Rodriguez, at a minimum should be in New York. He's number one on my list to win the Heising because I believe Texas Tech has the best defense. He's the leader of that defense and he has the numbers to truly back it up. When you look at a tackle's perspective, Manta tail 103, Jacob Rodriguez 104. He's got five and a half more tackles for loss. He's got one, he's got a half less sack, three less interceptions, but seven more force fumbles, two more fumble recoveries and three total touchdowns where Mantateo had zero. That's why Jacob Rodriguez is number one on my list. And at number two, I've got Jeremiah Love, the running back from Notre Dame. Again, they're not going to be playing this week, but Notre Dame and the way that they finished the season was entirely off the. Off of his back and his legs. He's the best running back in the country and I think he also has earned that right to go to New York. At number three, I've got Fernando Mendoza. He is leading what in my opinion is the best team in the country. In Indiana, they're obviously going to be playing against Ohio State in the Big Ten championship. And I think that game is going to allow number three on my list and number five on my list, Julian saying, to truly determine who could potentially walk out of championship weekend with the Heisman Trophy. I skipped four because I've got Kawan Lacey, the running back from Ole Miss, at number four. I believe he has had a season that is worthy of him going to New York. But because Ole Miss is not playing this weekend, and because Notre Dame is not playing this weekend, I do not believe that Jeremiah Love or Kawan Lacey will win the Heisman Trophy. So I believe the Heisman Trophy is up for grabs right now, this upcoming weekend between Jacob Rodriguez, Fernando Mendoza and Julian Saying. You know, the way that we finished that season down the stretch, the way we dominated those teams, we was a big reason why we at Baylor won the Heisman and the fact that Trent Richardson, Tyron Matthew, Andrew Luck and Monty Ball didn't finish their seasons as strongly as we did. So I totally understand people who have Diego Pavia on their list. What he's been able to do at Vanderbilt has been amazing. They. He said they basically run Tennessee now. And I don't think anyone can argue that for this season alone. And he has been a very exciting player and bringing the bravado to the. The table. But I believe those other guys are more worthy of being there. And I think the winner of the Heisman Trophy will be there on championship weekend because the way that those guys have played, they have an opportunity to take it or leave it. We'll see who comes out on top. Yo, yo, yo, everybody. You know, we love to bring guests to the show every now and then, and I couldn't be more honored to have the man, the myth, the legend, Fox Sports analyst and college football aficionado Joel Kallat himself. Welcome to the show, brother.
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C
What's going on, man? How are you?
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I'm doing great. I don't know if the college football world is doing so great right now. And I know, you know, news of. Of having Lane Kiffin take the job.
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C
Yeah, you.
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A
And leave an Ole Miss team that is in the College Football Playoff, 11 wins, leaving all of that behind that he built. Do you think that Lane Kiffin was wrong for taking the LSU job?
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C
It's such a deep question because, you know, I don't want to tell another man like, hey, man, you can't make that. You know, you can't do that for your family or anything. So I don't want to begrudge anybody their decisions. But I do know that decisions in general have Consequences. And these decisions, and this decisions in particular that he's made has massive consequences. And I will say, like this was a selfish decision and he's leaving a lot of people in a terrible spot. And more specifically, a team and a team that he stood in front of and asked for buy in and commitment and asked them to lay down themselves for the greater good and for something bigger than themselves. As you know, man, we've sat in locker rooms our whole life and that's what coaches ask us to do is, you know, leave our, our last name at the door and play for the name on the front of the jersey or the logo on the helmet. And Lane made a decision that was different than that. And so it's unfortunate. And at the same time, if he wants to do that for his family, you know, that's kind of where we're at in college football because we operate in such a broken calendar. I don't think that that's an excuse. I do think that this diminishes his credibility. Robert, like, how do you go and stand in front of another team and get them to buy in after making this decision? If I'm an opposing coach in the SEC or around the country, the first thing that I'm going to say if I'm recruiting against Lane Kiffin is I'm going to say, why would you commit to him if you don't know if he's committed to you? That would be my line. And you know, and I think that that's right.
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So, man, there's so much there because I don't disagree that it was a selfish decision. We just heard Deion Sanders come out recently and say we got to stop sugarcoating it with a lot of these guys, player wise, that go to different schools and into the church every off season because it's about the money. It's a, it's a money decision. When you say the credibility standing in front of the team, do you not get the feeling that this LSU job is like the end all be all for Lane? And if it doesn't work at lsu, he won't be standing in front of a big time power four or especially a prestigious college football program as the leader of them? He'll have to go back down to try to claw his way back up. Do you not feel that that makes it a little bit different on his side when you get it compared to John Sumrall going from Tulane to Florida, Eric Morris going from North Texas to Oklahoma State?
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I do. I do agree with that. Right. Like when you're moving up. I think it's a different conversation. And even the players have an understanding of that. You know, when summer all is standing in front of. They're kind of like, yeah, my man, we get it. The resources are totally different. Now, I would make the argument that in today's college football, Ole Miss, at least for right now, is better than lsu. Now, I'm not saying that in general, but you know what I'm talking about in terms of it standing right now, the alignment with their administration, with the. The entire university. I think LSU probably has committed something from a financial resource not only to Lane, but also to the program that maybe is above what he was getting or could get at Ole Miss. And I understand all of those things. I would still in college. This might be kind of the last rung of the ladder. But again, if I'm an opposing coach, I'm going to say, hey, what happens if the Cowboys call Lane Kiffin?
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I mean, he's probably going.
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He's probably going to go, you know, so it's. I think it's a. It's a tough scenario. I also, I don't buy that he has to make this move to win a national championship. You know, like that. That excuse to me rings hollow because of the new nature of college football. Look at what Joey McGuire is building at Texas Tech with the resources, resources they have. Look at what Kurt Signetti is building at Indiana. Look at what Lane built at Ole Miss. So I think the proof is actually what he's done at Ole Miss. And if he really wants a chance to compete for a national title, he has it right in front of him with this team. So, you know, that's where. And yes, players are making selfish decisions as well, and they're about the money, but players don't leave now. You know, we haven't seen a quarterback say, like, oh, yeah, you know, I led my team to the playoff. But before the playoff, like, peace, guys. Like, I'm out of here, right?
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I'm with you. I believe that the adults in the room did not adult during this situation. Lane is making the decision to go and do what's best for himself and his family. Going to lsu, it's a dream job for him. He wanted it Ole Miss. At the same time, whether or not they gave him an ultimatum, they did force the issue for him to make that decision. And I believe that was well within their rights. But I think people who are getting forgotten in all of this is the players. The issue was forced so quickly here near the end of the season. Both sides, in my opinion, come out looking like they don't truly care about the players.
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C
Yeah, so I think it's a. It's a question of time. The player's view of time is. And their value of time right now is like looking through a straw. They only care about this moment. Right. This is their moment right now. And you know, you experienced that, winning the Heisman Trophy, like, that was your moment, you know, like. And it's. It is finite and it is small. It is narrow for a player. The people at Ole Miss, yes, they're trying to look out for the program in its entirety, for a future where they don't want a guy leading the program that's not looking after the program through roster building, you know, timeframe, you know, for the future of the program. Lane's looking out for his future. So their scope of vision and time is much more broad than the players. So the players are absolutely being forgotten because the objective of focus by the adults is very different than the objective of the focus of what the players have right now.
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No, you're 100% right. And, and you're saying it, and I'll say it. There's no way Ole Miss is a better football team going into the College Football Playoff without Lane Kiffin.
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C
No way. He's the play caller.
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He's the one that, honestly, he is. He is the life. He was the lifeblood of that program. Do you think Pete Golding getting the head coaching job tables any conversation about them not getting into the College Football Playoff because they don't have their head coach?
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C
Yeah, I hope so. And, and I thought it was interesting what your check said last week, that we will have not seen them play without Lane, you know, which is different than the Jordan Travis argument, because even though Florida State was undefeated, I'm talking about two years ago, if everyone remembers when Florida State was left out as an undefeated and they had data points or games that they got to watch Florida State play without Jordan Travis before making their decision. And they made the determination that without Jordan Travis, that Florida State team, even though they were undefeated, was not one of the four best. And they won't have that opportunity with those. This old Miss Team, which I think is a. Is convenient for them, but those players have earned their way into this playoff. So I think it does table that conversation. And now we're going to get into the. The politicking section of, of college football where all the teams are arguing for their spot in the, in the committee.
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A
Room, no doubt about it. And that Takes me to the next question of the situation with the Texas Longhorns coming off of a huge victory against Texas A and M rivalry game. You know, Texas A and M, to a lot of people, was the number one team in the country. I had him at number three. But bottom line is Texas gets that win and it's, it's probably one of the more impressive wins throughout the entirety of the season. Do you think that Texas deserves or has earned a spot in the College Football Playoff?
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C
That's, that's, that's very tough. Let me, let me just broadly make this before we talk, before I say anything specifically about Texas, Robert. Like when we used to be arguing in the four team playoff area era. And by the way, sorry, another preface. I'm not saying the four team was better. So this is just an observation. When we were in the four team era, we had arguments between two to three teams, maybe four max, you know, that were arguing for that fourth spot. And they all had really good cases. Like these were really good elite level teams with maybe a loss, maximum two. Like maximum two. Well, this is why I don't think that the answer or the solve for what we're seeing now is just more expansion. Because as you expand, then the group of teams that have an argument for that spot or the last few spots on the bubble expands. And so now we're talking about four to six teams that think that they all have an argument for this. And guess what? The arguments are much more flimsy. Much more flimsy. And the teams aren't as good. And so every team is going to lean on some, you know, through line of a propaganda argument that they can concoct. Because listen, I've gotten all the emails today from all the different sids. I'm sure you've got them too. You know, the text messages. Hey, well, this is our argument. This is our argument. We've got this many wins against teams and ours happened when they were ranked. And this is not, I mean, it's like I can't even make sense of it all because it's, it's, they're all arguing, they all believe that they have a case. But the problem is, is that they all have giant blemishes. Hey, Texas, don't lose to Florida, period. You know what I mean? That's, that's a tough one. Right? Like Miami is sitting there pounding the table and maybe rightly so because they beat Notre Dame. Yeah, don't lose to Louisville and SMU who just got beat by Cal. You know, so does Texas have an argument? Let me get back and I want to answer your question specifically. Do they have an argument? Yes, they have an argument. Is it a good one? I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Because you look at what they've done, their losses versus what Oklahoma has done and their wins, and even though they've got the head to head, they've got one fewer losses. Are you arguing just against Oklahoma? Do you also have to incorporate Notre Dame? You know, Notre Dame also has the loss to A and M. This is what I'm talking about. Just gets so messy and murky. I will say this. Notre Dame's the only one of those teams on the bubble that I would.
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Be.
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C
Looking at that I would actually lay money on to get to the semifinal or the final. The other teams are going to lose in the first couple of rounds. Oh, you is going to lose. Bama. If they get in is they're going to lose. Their flawed. Texas is going to lose. Notre Dame is more legitimate and I think that's why they've got this spot is because the committee's charge to just include the 12 best teams. And I think that they rightly believe that Notre Dame is one of those.
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I mean, it's. It's really solid points. Because that brings us now to the conversation around BYU. BYU sitting there at 11 and 1. They've been on the outside looking in at that 11 spot in both the AP poll and the College Football Playoff poll. Do you think BYU has done enough to earn a spot whether they win the Big 12 championship or don't in the College Football Playoff?
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C
You know, one of the reasons why I don't, and this is to my detriment, so let me put my hand up and say, like I'm guilty of this, is that I don't generally include them in this conversation or this argument. And the reason is, is because I think that if lose Saturday in the Big 12 championship game, they won't be in the argument. And if they win, they're in automatically. So to me, they control their own fate in that regard. Now, if you want to have the discussion like, well, should they be in the argument if they were to lose a second time to Texas Tech? Well, you know, that. That becomes a little bit more of a question and a debate. I will tell you this. I wouldn't want to play BYU either. I saw, you know, I've. I've seen you've called. Is it three or four BYU games?
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Three BYU games and that three. Yeah. That running back is no joke.
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C
Dude. And. And you pointed it out so well in the game against Cincinnati. I was watching you and Jason call that game, and. And you guys did an outstanding job. And LJ was a beast in that game. And they were just owning the line of scrimmage, man. And I was like, dang. Like, I don't want to tack very similar to Notre Dame. It's like, I don't want to play Notre Dame in the playoff because they're going to beat you up. They can run the ball. You're going to see Jeremiah Love 20 times. You're going to see L.J. martin. He's going to touch the ball 20 times in the backfield and probably catch it another six out of the backfield. You're going to have to tackle that, man, 26 to 30 times. It's like, good luck.
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No, I'm with you. Totally. And for me, I think BYU should be in, whether they win or lose, automatically in if they win the Big 12 championship, because they're highly ranked. And that. That definitely guarantees you feel like two Big 12 teams in the College Football Playoff. But everything that you just said, it's. It's not just LJ Martin, it's the quarterback, Bear Bachmeier. They have the story, they have the fans, and they have the wins. Where do you stand on it being a Power 4 versus a Power 2? Because when you look at BYU at 11 and 1, I feel like any 11, one team that's in the Power 4 that gets to their conference championship game should be in the College Football Playoff automatically. Whether they win or lose in that conference title game. We shouldn't.
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C
Yeah, I think for that.
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A
What are your thoughts on that?
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C
Yeah, I totally agree. I think that the Big 12 unfortunately gets placed at a tier under the SEC and the Big Ten, and it's probably, you know, to their detriment. Even though they've got the Iowa State win over Iowa, there was a couple of other opportunities that they had, you know, to win some big games early. I do not think that the ACC is very good. I'll just tell you that straight up. Like, I. So at most, I would be arguing for, like, a Power 3. Now, all of this is cyclical, and, you know, we see great quarterback play in a certain conference. We saw it in the Big 12 last year, really good quarterback play, and we saw what they could do. Unfortunately, when we talk about Power 4 or Power 2, and this is just the reality of it, is that it. It's not about the quality of the football, it's about the power that the commissioners wield. And in college football, the power of the purse is the most relevant thing in terms of shaping the structure of the sport. And the reality is, is that the Big Ten and the SEC drive the monetary value of college football. And because of that, they called the shots. And you can like it, you can hate it, but that's, that's the reality. So a model that was floated this summer had them at a different tier of an automatic qualifier. You know, they were talking about four teams each from the SEC and the Big Ten getting automatic berths and talked about two each for the ACC in the Big 12. I remember having conversations with, with Brett, your mark, and we talked at length about this. And Robert, he said, I can't just accept a diminished standing. And I totally understand that. And I, and I said, absolutely, nor should you. But then here was my reply. I said, however, a bird in the hand is better than two in the bush. And if they're guaranteeing you two, that's probably better than always getting just one. And if you have a selection based model with all the propaganda and all the money that gets thrown around in the other two conferences, you're at risk of being viewed as less. And I know that's a really long winded non answer, but that's kind of how I view it.
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No, I remember we had this conversation, you know, at the seminar and we talked about this and it's. I don't know if I have the right analogy, but it's like, you know, when you're a player, we're both players, when you're hurt and you don't really know the extent to which you're hurt, you might play through it. You know, I told my ACL my sophomore year in college, and I'm on the sideline, they're like, hey, see if you can run. See, you can do this stuff. They checked, they did the ACL test and they're like, hey, it's there. I'm like, all right, great. They're like, we think you just hyperextended it. I played the rest of the half, threw for four touchdowns, ran for 20 yards. When I scrambled, it felt like my knee wasn't there. But we go into halftime, we're up like 35 to 7 or 42 to 7. And I found out the next day that I tore my ACL and I had played on a torn acl. Now, if they had told me I tore my acl, I probably wouldn't, wouldn't have played. But because I didn't know, I was oblivious to it and kept charging forward. When you don't know on paper that they're looking at you as diminished, you're going to go out and you're going to fight harder. I think that's what the Big 12 and Brett, your mark, were looking at. Like, hey, even if you're going to treat us this way, at least we have an argument and we didn't set the table for ourselves that, yes, we're less than the sec, less than the Big Ten.
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I think that, and I listen, I totally agree with, I agreed with him when said that. I, I get it, I get it. My, my fear, though, is that if you just sit there and allow this to play out as a selection model and a beauty pageant in a committee room, you'll get what we've got right now, which is BYU at 1101 outside looking in.
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No, I totally agree. It's, it's not, it's, it's going to be a crazy week. And last question I have for you is the fact that it's going to be a crazy weekend. We have 7 and 5 Duke in the ACC championship game going against Virginia. Duke could literally set off a nuke to all of college football because if they win 100%, they're not in the College Football Playoff. The ACC is not represented, and we might actually get two Group of Five teams in the playoff. It could be James Madison, it could be North Texas. Texas are two lane based on who wins that game. And if Madison loses, Duke wins, then you get North Texas or Tulane and potentially UNLV from the West Conference. We're excited to go call it, but where are you? I think that would be, I would, I would love for Duke to win the ACC championship. Just to see how, I mean, yeah.
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C
Just, just to see it. I, I, I'm with you. I actually went through on my show last week like a chaos theory of like, hey, if these five team, five teams win, like this could just be wild. One of them was Texas and they ended up winning. So now we've, we've kind of got that, that scenario playing out. But I hear you. And, and I will say this. It generally takes really wild things to happen in college football for us to actually change for the better. We wait until the car accidents happen before we start to like, actually change anything in our sport. There's very little foresight and vision in college football, partly because there's just too many people. There's no one looking over the whole sport. I mean, we, Robert, you and I could probably talk for two hours on this show about that. Right. But as it relates to Kiffin and his decision, that's going to promote us to take a hard look at the calendar and where we compete and where we roster build. That's probably a good thing. So we're going to use this car wreck, right? A coach leaving a playoff team to address what is a clear problem in college football. Duke potentially winning the acc and us realizing that like, hold on a sec, like what is going on, the ACC is not represented in a 12 team college football playoff is a car wreck. That will then spur us toward a model that I think will define the path. Access to the College Football Playoff for every single conference and every single team in the country. And however that looks, teams will know if we win these games in front of us, we get to go to the College Football Playoff and, and the fan bases will know. And if those two things happened out of a crazy year like this, then I would, I would count it a success too.
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A
Joel, we appreciate you coming on the show, man. You can check out Joel. He's going to be calling the Big Ten championship game between Ohio State and Indiana. Before you go. I mean, I. What, what did you see from how State and Julian saying and Carnell Smith just talk about how impressive they are and how do you think that Big Ten matchup goes?
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C
Well, I think those two teams are pretty clearly the two most complete teams in the country. And that's why they're. They're ranked one and two right now. There's not a lot of weaknesses. They each play quality defense, they're each balanced on offense. They each have a quarterback that is in the Heisman Trophy running. And I actually really believe, I don't know where you stand on this. I really believe that the winner of this game, as long as they play well, should win the trophy. That's kind of where I stand on the Heisman between Mendoza and Julian. Here's what that game against Michigan for Ohio State, I think it's, it's scary for everybody in the country. And the reason is, is that everybody else maybe save for Indiana, maybe Oregon, maybe Texas Tech, right? They all have flaws. There's like a weakness somewhere, you know, in their game. And you look up in. Ohio State's got the best defense in America. They can rush the quarterback, they can stop the run, they can defend the pass. Now you've seen them have a Heisman level passing game and Julian saying, and these two elite wide receivers on the outside and they can sit there and run the football 16 out of 20 plays on a 20 play drive and eat up 11 and a half minutes against Michigan on the road in the snow and it's like, okay, like that is scary. I think we're, we're trending toward, if they were to win this week, is it Ohio State against the field, moving into the playoff. That's kind of the, where they've put themselves because no one has threatened them. And I think that's to their credit, more so than this narrative of they haven't faced any adversity. I believe, and I don't know where you would stand being a player, but as a player, your job is to not face adversity. Like your job is to go and control the game. And they control the game better than anybody else. So if they haven't faced any adversity and no one has taken them out into deep water, isn't that to their credit? Yeah, that's always kind of how I view it.
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No, I totally agree with you. I think they're one of the, one of the most well coached teams in all of college football and they're situationally great third downs, red zone. Defensively, they run so many different styles of defense based on the fronts, Rob.
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C
The fronts that they change like down, in and down. They're in bear defense, odd defense even. Then they're an under, they're an over. They're bringing pressure, you know, strong side, weak side, field boundary. It's really tough for a quarterback. Patricia, their defensive coordinator has been outstanding.
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Yeah, I'm completely fascinated with this matchup because I think it could be a little bit uncanny. So I'm excited for you and Gus getting to call that game. It's like it could be a really high scoring game because of the efficiency of the two offenses. It could also be a very low scoring game because of the defenses and we'll see which one wins out. I don't, I don't see a blowout happening because I, I agree these two not so evenly matched and I couldn't be closer with you on as far as the outcome. If Mendoza and Salient saying truly take over the game one way or the other, I think the Heisman Trophy is up for grabs. So appreciate you coming on the show. Joel, you can check him out on his podcast as well. The Joel Clapp Show, College football show.
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C
And you drop those episodes when we we in season. We are Monday, we are Wednesday and Thursday. So I appreciate you, man. You, you've done a heck of a job. It's been really fun to have you on our our team here at Fox and outstanding. Love listening to your show as well. So keep it up, dude.
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A
Appreciate you brother and thank you for being a great teammate, man. It's, it's been a very fun year for me being with you guys and being able to call you family. Thank you for welcoming me and being awesome. Appreciate you, brother. Awesome dude. Later. Well, that's our show for you today. Thank you for joining us at out of pocket with RG3, hosted by your boy and the lovely, amazing 99 time all American, Greta Griffin. We love what we do and we love doing it with you guys. Maybe make sure y' all like and subscribe to our YouTube channel. Go find us on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Like our page, follow our page, leave a review and let us know in the comments who you want us to bring on the show next because we got some juicy stuff coming down the pipe and we also have some amazing ideas that we want to go out and execute. But we can't do it without your support. And we promise you we look forward to giving it back to you guys in the future. Tenfold. We'll see you guys next time. God bless. Peace.