An Intoxicating Share & Tell with Katie Nolan & Alcohol Expert Jason Wilson

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Pablo Torre Finds Out

Episode: An Intoxicating Share & Tell with Katie Nolan & Alcohol Expert Jason Wilson
Date: March 1, 2024
Host: Pablo Torre
Guests: Katie Nolan (Sports/TV Personality), Jason Wilson (Author & Alcohol Critic)

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode, Pablo Torre brings together Katie Nolan and acclaimed spirits/wine writer Jason Wilson to conduct a deep, entertaining, and at times irreverent taste test of celebrity/alcohol brands—specifically those owned or endorsed by famous athletes. The trio attempts to answer a listener’s question: Should we be excited or annoyed when athletes launch alcohol brands? Over the course of escalating intoxication, they taste, critique, and roast a diverse lineup: wines from NBA stars, bourbons from sports legends, and celebrity tequilas and champagne. The result is a whirlwind of candid opinions, expert insights into the world of alcohol branding, and infectious, unscripted fun.

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Key Discussion Points & Notable Segments

1. Setting the Stage: Why Athlete Booze? (01:00–03:45)

• Prompt: Listener “Zeke from Brooklyn” wonders if athlete-branded alcohols are genuine or just cynical cash grabs.
  • Pablo relates how athlete merchandise has evolved from candy bars (like the Isaiah Thomas bar) to today's signature wines and tequilas.
  • Pablo: “In 2024, wine and tequila have basically replaced the candy bar as the product that a pro athlete is most likely to lend their name, image, and likeness to.”
    — (02:00)
• Guest Intros:
  • Jason Wilson: Praised by The New York Times; author of Godforsaken Grapes, Cider Revival, and Boozehound—the last of which Anthony Bourdain called “superbly informative, entertaining and deeply subversive.”
    — (03:49)
  • Katie Nolan: “Resume is what I've drank on television related to sports.” Noted for beer miles, Drunk History, and chugging six beers at once on camera.
    — (04:20)

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2. Tasting the Wines of the NBA (05:54–16:29)

a. James Harden’s “J-Harden” Cabernet Sauvignon (06:01–08:58)

• Analysis:
  • Marketing: “A wine with swag.”
  • Tasting: Katie: “Tastes like juice.”
    — (06:57)
  • Jason’s take: Simple profile, finishes abruptly, but “not bad for $20.”
  • Pablo’s joke: “This ended prematurely… happens to a lot of James Harden’s postseasons.”
    — (07:58)
• Price Guess: Actual retail $21.
• Consensus: Serviceable table wine, easy to sip, but nothing mind-blowing.

b. Chosen Family Pinot Noir (Kevin Love & Channing Frye) (09:22–12:43)

• Tasting: “Big for a Pinot,” a bit “oakier” than expected.
  • Jason: “It’s a big athlete’s Pinot for sure.”
    — (10:46)
• Price Guess: $35–$40; actual $40.
• Consensus: Not universally loved; perhaps needs age, a bit expensive for the quality.

c. CJ McCollum’s Heritage Pinot Noir (12:51–16:29)

• Tasting: Earthy, “enveloping” mouthfeel; prominent forest floor/loam notes.
  • Katie: “Smells like peat moss… enveloping my tongue.”
    — (13:24–14:01)
• Price Guess: $50–$60; actual $55.
• Consensus: Clearly the best of the wine bunch—complex, worth savoring.

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3. The Bourbon Showdown (17:33–25:28)

a. Charles Woodson “Woodson Bourbon” (17:42–22:00)

• Label: “Six month accelerated age Kentucky bourbon.”
  • Jason: “That feels like something you do, but don’t tell.”
• Tasting: Light, very drinkable, lacks the expected depth.
  • Katie: “Baby’s first bourbon… it’s a training wheels bourbon, but a little expensive for the starter pack.”
    — (21:53)
• Price Guess: $47–$50 retail.

b. Steph Curry’s “Gentleman’s Cut” Bourbon (22:08–25:28)

• Features: Aged 5+ years, 45% ABV, “high rye” mash bill.
• Tasting: Deeper caramel, vanilla, honey, pecan, more complexity than Woodson.
  • Jason: “I kind of respect Steph Curry that he went high-rye in the bourbon.”
• Price: $80—"not surprising" for the branding/market.
• Consensus: Much preferred to Woodson’s; a “real bourbon” with richer, more interesting flavor.

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4. Athlete Tequila & Canned Cocktails (26:22–38:59)

a. Travis Kelce’s “Mi Casa” Tequila Soda (26:25–28:12)

• Tasting: Low-alcohol (5%), heavily flavored, little presence of tequila; “fake sugar” (aspartame) notes.
  • Katie: “It almost tastes like aspartame…100 calories on top.”
    — (27:11)
• Verdict: Standard canned seltzer with celebrity branding.

b. LeBron James’ “Lobos 1707 Reposado” Tequila (28:12–33:35)

• Info: 40% ABV, aged in American oak, finished in Pedro Ximénez (PX) sherry casks for a twist.
• Tasting: Bold alcohol nose, unique “audacious” character, some vanilla/sweet notes from sherry casks.
• Price: $55 retail.
• Consensus: Interesting but perhaps over-engineered; not universally appealing.

c. Michael Jordan’s “Cincoro” Tequila (33:40–39:03)

• Notable Packaging: Tall, ornate “pentagonal” bottle; heavy branding/ideation.
• Tasting: Very sweet on the nose (vanilla, cotton candy), but puzzling chemical/smoky finish.
  • Katie: “Smells sweet…then the finish is like a cigarette…flat no for me.”
• Price: $120 retail (“silly—absolutely not in this economy”).
• Brutal honesty:
  • Pablo (reading bottle): “Share truth.”
  • Katie (immediately): “Yeah, well, your tequila sucks, dude.”
    — (38:23)

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5. The Athlete Champagne Finale (39:30–44:14)

Isaiah Thomas’ “Cheurlin Champagne” (40:05–44:14)

• Claim: No added sugars, “reasonably priced.”
• Tasting: “Smells pissy,” “zero bite,” more neutral/inoffensive than good.
  • Katie: “I don’t love the taste… but it’s drinkable.”
• Discussion: What makes “real” champagne (region, tradition, “dosage”/sugar addition).
• Price: $50 retail.
  • Katie: “Reasonably priced is Andre. That’s $12.99.”
• Consensus: Unimpressive for the cost; playful roasting of branding (“what are we even doing, Isaiah?”).

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On the proliferation of athlete alcohol brands:
  Pablo: “I’m afraid what we’re doing here today... because of Zeke from Brooklyn.” — (03:10)
• On tasting the wines:
  Katie: “Tastes like juice.” (James Harden’s cab; 06:57)
  Pablo: “This ended prematurely... happens to a lot of James Harden’s postseasons.” (07:58)
• On Charles Woodson’s bourbon:
  Katie: “Baby’s first bourbon… it’s a training wheels bourbon, but a little expensive for the starter pack.” (21:53)
• On Jordan’s tequila:
  Katie: “Flat no for me. I don’t like the way it tastes. I don’t like the way it’s named. Feels like too many meetings, not enough tequila.” (38:03) Pablo: “Share truth.”
  Katie: “Yeah, well, your tequila sucks, dude.” (38:23)
• General:
  Jason: “I think for $20 for a California Cabernet, it’s not bad.” (07:41)
  Jason: “I kind of respect Steph Curry that he went high-rye in the bourbon.” (24:49) Katie (on being served by LeBron): “And when he handed it to me, I said, thank you, LeBron James. What the fuck?” (33:35)
• On judging these drinks:
  Pablo: “It feels like brand ideation.” (38:07)

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Segment Timestamps

• 00:40–03:45: Listener question & athlete brand context
• 03:48–05:54: Introductions (Jason & Katie)
• 06:01–08:58: James Harden wine
• 09:22–12:43: Chosen Family (Kevin Love/Channing Frye) wine
• 12:51–16:29: CJ McCollum wine
• 17:33–22:00: Charles Woodson bourbon
• 22:08–25:28: Steph Curry bourbon
• 26:25–28:12: Travis Kelce tequila soda
• 28:12–33:35: LeBron James tequila
• 33:40–39:03: Michael Jordan tequila
• 40:05–44:14: Isaiah Thomas champagne
• 44:14–End: Dump cups, final roast, episode wrap-up

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Final Thoughts & Takeaways

• The panel enjoys the journey but is highly critical of over-priced, over-branded products—especially when flavor doesn’t match cost or hype.
• The best entries (CJ McCollum's wine, Steph Curry’s bourbon) win praise for complexity and character, while some (Jordan’s and Isaiah Thomas’ offerings) get panned despite heavy branding.
• There’s genuine expertise and transparent honesty, but the tone is casual, charismatic, and gleefully irreverent.

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For Listeners Who Haven’t Tuned In

This episode is an unfiltered, funny, and surprisingly educational journey through the world of athlete-booze brands, serving sharp tasting notes, industry insights, and plenty of playful jokes. The critical take: be skeptical of the hype, check your price tags, and don’t be fooled by fancy celebrity branding—sometimes, the ‘share truth’ is that the bottle just isn’t worth it.

Transcript

[A]

Welcome to Pablo Torre finds out. I am Pablo Torre. And today we're gonna find out what this sound is. I feel like we're all gonna be friends for a long time, right?

[B]

At least for you guys so much.

[C]

No, shut up. I love you the most.

[A]

Right after this ad.

[C]

You're listening to Giraffe Kings Network.

[A]

You may be aware already we have a voicemail number. It is 51385. Pablo, you bring us a question. Our sports detective agency solves that question using journalism. Everyone goes home happy. Again, the number is 51385. Pablo, seriously, please do give us a call. It is how we recently got this. Hey, Pablo, this is Z from Brooklyn. In the more and more I've been, seems like every athlete now is trying to swing some version of their own hooch. And initially I'm saying, man, this stuff must be terrible.

[B]

But then again.

[A]

Chill ain't have that. So my question is, should I be annoyed or excited when I see James Harden's face on a bottle of tea at the bottle shell? All right, let me know. Thanks, man. And that's a great question. Thank you to Zeke for asking us. Should I be annoyed or excited when I see at another athlete with their own signature alcohol brand? Okay, so what I know about wine and tequila especially is that they have basically replaced the candy bar as the product that a pro athlete is most likely to lend their name, image, and likeness to in 2024. I remember at one point in the early 90s, my parents went on a work trip to Detroit, and what they brought home for me was an Isaiah Thomas candy bar. Yes, a chocolate bar, a real thing that existed for human consumption. And it's a very weird collector's item in retrospect. But now what's happening is that a guy like James Harden live streams from China and He sells out 10,000 bottles of his signature wine in apparently, like, five seconds. Yeah. But as for what Zeke, our Zeke, wanted to know, to answer that question honestly and journalistically, I feel like what I needed to find out was something I did not know, which is whether any of this athlete alcohol is actually any good as, you know, a drink. And so today's episode of Share and Tell called for some outside counsel. And it's also why by the end of this episode, which you can watch or listen to, everything does get kind of blurry. I'm afraid what we're doing here today, because of Zeke from Brooklyn, I have not drank what we're about to drink ever. At all. And I brought experts to help. So I Want to start? To my right. Jason Wilson, you have a resume that involves praise from the New York Times for writing the best wine book of the year twice.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

Godforsaken grapes, 2018, the cider revival 2019. Also, you wrote a book called Booze Hound, which was praised by Anthony Bourdain himself as, quote, superbly informative, entertaining and deeply subversive. Wrote a newsletter, Everyday Drinking. Katie Nolan, this is the resume senior correspondent for the New Wine Review. He's written for the Washington Post, New York Times, New Yorker, Wine Enthusiast, Travel and Leisure, many other publications. Jason, thank you for Pat being here.

[B]

Oh, thanks for having me. I'm looking forward to this.

[A]

And then, Katie Nolan, me and your.

[C]

Resume is what I've drank on television related to sports. Probably more than most, if not all. I've run a beer mile. What else? There's been a lot.

[A]

You're a drunk historian.

[C]

Oh, I did drunk history three times. Hello, I'm Katie Nolan and this is the story of the Blackhawks. Blackhawks.

[A]

You want to do Blackhawk Down? Maybe I feel like we should do.

[C]

Should we do the baseball thing instead? And then maybe we'll do Black Hawk Down.

[B]

God bless Josh Hartnett, though.

[C]

I remember when Madison Bumgarner used to chug beers after they would win when he was on the Giants. I did six beers but put straws in them so I didn't waste any and I chugged six beers at once. Done. Do you want me to prove it? Do I have to prove it? Do you want me to prove it or are we good? I'm prolific. You're a Danielle Steele of drinking on sports television.

[A]

And a former bartender.

[C]

And a former bartender.

[A]

Yes, yes.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So.

[C]

So I'm. I also have cred. And Anthony Bourdain once said of me, who. So we're on the same plane and.

[A]

So we're going to over deliver here, as we like to do on Pablo Torre finds out. We're not going to give you a review of James Harden's stuff. We're going to do that. Plus so many more things that create in totality the most irresponsible expense report, I think, in the history of Meadowlark media. So what are we starting with, guys? Can you come in with, I guess the wines. Do we want to start with the wine division?

[C]

This is your wheelhouse.

[B]

Definitely need to start with the wines. Yeah.

[C]

I bet you really can taste when something's cheap and when it's good and I can't.

[A]

Oh, this is the James Harden wine. Thank you. Cortez thank you.

[B]

No, I'm going to just admit a. A bias. You know, to start off, you came.

[A]

In from where, Jason from Philadelphia. Yeah.

[C]

What type of a wine does it claim to be? A cab.

[A]

Jay Harden, 2021 California Cabernet Sauvignon.

[C]

Got it.

[A]

A wine with swag is what the press release says. James Harden had a desire to make quality mind more accessible, diverse and inclusive. And to share his personal wine journey with fans worldwide.

[B]

Want a little how to taste?

[A]

Please.

[C]

Oh, yes.

[B]

You got to do the swirl. I mean, we have plastic cups here, but, you know, it's fine.

[A]

Nice legs do little are there, right? We don't look at legs.

[C]

Damn. Okay.

[B]

All right. We do the swirl and then you give it a little sniff. A little sniffy sniff. See what you get and then.

[C]

Okie.

[A]

Okay. Katie had that one ready to go.

[C]

Do you do the air?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't know if we wanted to do that.

[C]

Tastes like juice. Oh, a little spit cup. Oh, that's right. We'll spit.

[B]

That'll be the only spitting today for sure.

[C]

Yes. Okay. Hold on. Did I ruin it if I've already had a sip.

[B]

Oh, but you can take another sip. You know, it's okay.

[A]

The ASMR is more a part of us than I realized.

[C]

Oh, and then you deal with what it feels like in your mouth.

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

Mouth feel.

[C]

What's. What's a cab supposed to normally give?

[B]

Is it all cab? I don't know. I think it's a cab.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

It doesn't say. It's a mix.

[A]

And he says also, you're new to wine or an experienced enthusiast. I believe that you will love these wines as much as I do.

[B]

I don't know what the price is, but it's. It's nice enough. Like, it's a nice kind of, you know, it doesn't like a really like, expensive. Nice cab would have like, you know, more serious, like what they call tannins. You know, like the sling of like the dry. Yeah, that like dryness feel like. And then you know, would have like a little bit of like a longer finish to it. But I mean, it's pretty simple.

[A]

This was. This ended prematurely, as far as I can tell.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I'm like, okay, that was that.

[B]

I mean, is it the obvious? Yeah.

[A]

Happens to a lot of James Harden's as opposed season is concerned.

[B]

Unfortunately, this finishes didn't show up in game seven for sure.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

What are we thinking? Price point. We're gonna guess.

[B]

We're gonna guess price point. We're gonna guess? Well, I mean, just simply because it's from California and it's James Harden. I think it's like, more expensive than just like an everyday wine. But, like, I would say, I don't know, $20, maybe $20.

[C]

17.99.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. 8. Yeah. 18.99.

[A]

$21 in between 17 and 20.

[C]

Okay, so we got it. We all got it.

[B]

Except you nailed it.

[A]

Except for me, so. God damn it.

[C]

Price is Right rules. You have to leave.

[B]

But this is. I mean, I think for $20 for a California Cabernet, it's not bad.

[C]

It doesn't.

[A]

It's not like, you know, it's not like bl.

[C]

Which I've since learned. You know, when they give you the, like, take a sip of this at a restaurant, it's not to see if you like it. It's like, is it spoiled?

[B]

Is it spoiled? Exactly.

[C]

And I don't think I've ever had a spoiled wine because to me, I. Could everyone kind of taste this.

[A]

I've never said.

[C]

I know.

[A]

Give me another one. Cuz I have a very.

[C]

I'd even notice. I think if I drank a spoiled wine, I'd be like, tastes great. Thanks so much.

[A]

Speaking of never saying no, what is the next wine?

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Already?

[A]

Already. We got so much.

[B]

Are you going to dump. Are you going to just. No. Yeah, but. But imagine if you had to taste like 100 in an afternoon.

[A]

Thank you, Patrick.

[C]

Imagine.

[A]

We got Pablo staying in the NBA. The label says chosen family 2022 reserve pinot noir. This is, I am told, from Kevin Love and Channing Fry. Oh, they have a noted winemaker, Chase Renton. I don't know if that means anything to Jason. That's a guy.

[B]

I think it's. Yeah, yeah. Yes.

[A]

They're on a mission to connect people from all walks of life through the collective passion for amazing wines, community, and life. I guess everybody says stuff.

[C]

Why should everybody just be like, I wanted a wine that tastes good so I could tell people I own a winery?

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[C]

They're here for a collective to kiss.

[A]

That's right.

[C]

All right, so first we do this.

[B]

Yeah, do this.

[C]

We don't look at the legs. We don't object.

[B]

We can look at the.

[A]

On my.

[C]

Well, this smells different. Now. What is this supposed to be? Is this also.

[B]

It's a. I think it's a piece of Pinot Noir. Yeah. So this is what I mean for me, that smells a little. Now this does smell a little oaky on the nose. Yeah.

[C]

Okay, wait, let me Let me agree with you. Yes, of course.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Oh, I forgot to spit it out again. What is the difference between a Pinot and a cabernet?

[B]

A cabernet is going to be a little bit more like full body. The Pinot Noir is going to be a little bit lighter, a little bit lighter in color. It's like a pretty dark Pinot Noir, actually.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

And where'd you say this was from?

[C]

California.

[A]

Willamette Valley.

[C]

Oh, that's where.

[B]

Valley, Oregon. Yes, Oregon, Oregon. The. Yeah. What you're holding in the US Comes from. Exactly.

[C]

Oh, really?

[B]

Yeah, yeah. You know, it's pretty, like, big for like a Pinot Noir. It's like a little bit of. It's a big. An athlete's Pinot Noir for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

We're gonna have to translate what the expert means. Yeah.

[B]

Yes, exactly.

[C]

It'll get better as the wine flows.

[B]

It's a little bit more expensive of a wine. It's probably meant to, like, age more because it's like, you have like a lot more oak on it, you know.

[C]

And also it feels like sweeter at.

[B]

The end a little bit.

[C]

Yeah, normally is for me.

[B]

Yeah. Like, good Pinot should be like a little earthy. Should be a little fruit, you know, like, the fruit should be there, but it should be a little earthy as well. A little.

[C]

I don't think he likes it, Kev.

[A]

Yeah, I don't think he loves it.

[C]

Have you met Kevin Love in person? Either of you?

[B]

No. Have you?

[A]

I'm told he's like the nicest guy.

[C]

And. Yeah, and just we'll say striking, good.

[A]

Facial architecture and just a sweetheart. Well lined beard.

[C]

Got married at the public library too. New York Public Library.

[A]

Saw that, Loved that. Sarah Jessica Parker.

[C]

Very jealous of that.

[A]

Yeah. Back in the city, was it true.

[B]

That he and LeBron James had like a falling out over like a wine tasting?

[C]

He said, you know what? It's a little bit okier than it. This is a real bro. This is an athlete's Pinot Noir.

[A]

Yeah. I don't, I don't love this, but I. I would.

[B]

Maybe it's too young. Maybe it's meant to be aged. I don't know. You know, I mean, like, man, let's put it in the cellar and let it sit for five years or something, you know, maybe. I don't know. I think it's more expensive, though. I mean, it's like.

[A]

So let's do that game.

[B]

I think it's probably like 35 or 40 dol.

[C]

I'm so sorry. How much is it? $40.

[B]

35. $40?

[C]

And you think that's a good price for it? Do you think that's what they're charging?

[A]

Great question.

[C]

In your personal opinion?

[B]

I mean, I think they're. Yeah. I don't.

[C]

It's what they're charging.

[B]

It's what they're charging. I mean, I think it's like, just. Just like the grape and the region. It's just like. That's like, what. What it would be 27.

[A]

So I'm. I'm gonna be the person who. Who just gives you guys the real answer here.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

And Jason is nailing it. $40.

[C]

Wow. It's almost like you've done this before. This guy's a ringer.

[A]

C.J. mcCollum's heritage.

[C]

Oh, I love C.J. mcCollum.

[A]

Pinot Noir.

[B]

I've heard good things about this one, actually.

[A]

So it says McCollum across the top. A big age for heritage. 2021, Willamette Valley.

[C]

So this is all.

[B]

These guys are up in Oregon making the Pinot Noir. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Yep. Blazer country.

[C]

I think shout out to his dog, who I think is named Fiona.

[B]

All right, now think. Look at.

[C]

Okay, now, I like the way this smells.

[B]

You don't like it?

[C]

No.

[B]

You like the oakier one?

[C]

What's this?

[B]

You're a little bit oaky. You're like. This smells more fruity. Earthy. Forest floor.

[C]

Smells a little bit like a wine.

[A]

Fallen leaves foraging.

[C]

Yeah, this smells like.

[A]

What's that? Mushroom Foraging.

[C]

Smells like peat moss.

[B]

You're in the forest.

[C]

It smells. It's got a little stank on it. I'm sorry. It does.

[B]

Is it stank or funky?

[C]

Oh, I don't. What's the difference?

[B]

Well, I don't know.

[C]

Then Funk. In that case, funk.

[A]

You can't fake the stank. I believe the saying goes, I kind.

[B]

Of like the stank. Quote, unquote, stank.

[C]

I don't hate the way it tastes.

[B]

It's a good tasting, though.

[C]

Yeah. I don't hate the way it tastes. I didn't like the way it smelled.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

It feels like it's. It feels like it's in enveloping my tongue. Does that make sense?

[B]

It is.

[C]

I feel it on, like, all sides of my tongue. This is good stuff.

[A]

Relatedly, Katie Nolan hasn't dumped any of the wine that she's been tasting. Tasting cheese.

[C]

Not a.

[B]

I was only demonstrating the spitting.

[C]

Yes, of course.

[A]

This is what it describes itself as. Red rose petal, cinnamon bark, fresh boysenberry A deep.

[B]

Did you get the boys and berries?

[C]

Cinnamon. But I got the boysenberry.

[A]

This is my favorite part. A deep base note. A freshly turned loam.

[C]

Loam is the word I was looking.

[A]

For when I said that is the word.

[B]

That's what's enveloping your.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

That's what makes my mouth feel dirty.

[A]

Yeah. A longer finish.

[B]

Much longer finish. And the stag will blow off.

[C]

Yeah. It's just. It's truly just the same. He's got to air it out for a sec.

[A]

Air dry it.

[C]

Yeah. I like this. I like this quite a bit. CJ.

[A]

Jason.

[B]

CJ. I. We want a price.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

I'm guessing 50 plus. I don't know. 50. 60. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

This man is good at this.

[C]

I know.

[A]

Has nailed it. 55.

[C]

Nice.

[B]

Nice.

[A]

How have we not said tannins yet?

[C]

He did.

[B]

We did.

[A]

Oh, you did.

[B]

Okay. That was like the first thing.

[A]

I'm also kind of drunk at this point.

[B]

Do you know what a tannin is?

[C]

It's from the skin of the grape.

[B]

That's right. Wow. I did.

[A]

Clearly.

[B]

You should write a wine book.

[A]

Skin of the grape. Yep.

[C]

It's the, the, you know, it makes your mouth feel like. Exactly. I would so bad. It's. The sun's still out and I gotta go home like this.

[B]

And we're only on the first round.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

We've just gotten to the other stuff.

[A]

We haven't even started the bourbon. Yeah.

[C]

Sick.

[A]

So Katie, what did you like? Consider the price point. Consider what we got.

[C]

I liked them all. I think that. And I, I, I hate considering the price point. Cuz I wish I didn't know. I, I would pick this one anyway. I think but I knowing it's the most expensive, I think it means I'm right. But I do like this one. This one's very. It's very interesting. I could see myself drinking it and finding something new to like about it. Each sip.

[B]

Yeah. Yes.

[A]

A little. Very complicated Hiding in that.

[B]

It pays back your attention.

[C]

Yeah. There's something floating in it that I'm gonna get out. But that I don't hold that against.

[A]

That might be a you problem.

[C]

It sound. It seems like it might be. What's your favorite?

[B]

I mean this is my favorite. But I mean is it. I don't know. Is it worth $55? Yeah, I think so. I mean but you know, the James Harden one is not.

[A]

I'm Harden.

[C]

Really? Because I had shocking you two in your integrity.

[A]

I have zero tolerance essentially. And that felt like something I could just sip on and very little.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And it feels like that would be a nice night, me having spent not a lot of money on a thing. James Harden. This is picture flopping.

[B]

Just staring at the bottle.

[C]

I feel like I. In order I would go. This one hardens and then that other swill. No, I'm just kidding.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, No, I agree. I agree.

[C]

I think.

[B]

I think we're consensus here.

[C]

And that means we're right because he's. Do you hear what Anthony Bourdain said about him?

[A]

Lomi. I think he called him Lomi.

[C]

Yeah, it's pretty cool. He's lonely. Like the floor of the forest.

[B]

Very elegant tannins, that one.

[C]

What do we got next?

[A]

Bourbon looks like.

[B]

Oh, no, something higher proof is coming in.

[C]

Oh, no. Oh, my God. That's the same pour as the wine.

[A]

Yeah, this is with us. Signature Woodson bourbon whiskey.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Charles Woodson.

[B]

Not Darren, who also makes wine, I think.

[C]

Well, with a name like Woodson, you.

[A]

Know, this is his white and silver signature series.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

40% alcohol. Okay.

[C]

That standard for a bourbon.

[B]

Little low.

[C]

A little low.

[A]

A little low.

[C]

Get your numbers up.

[A]

It says six month accelerated aged Kentucky bourbon.

[C]

And now what is that?

[A]

Accelerated age.

[C]

So it's like in a vacuum or something?

[B]

Maybe. I don't know. So I don't. I. I shouldn't. You know, there'll be bourbon people jumping down my throat, but like, you know.

[C]

They'Re normally just a very relaxed bunch.

[B]

Yeah, I think it's like aged in a smaller barrel so it'll be quicker.

[C]

Here's my thing. That feels like something you do, but don't tell. I don't feel like you go, hey, we did this. We cheated on this.

[A]

I agree.

[C]

You want it to feel old.

[A]

All right, Charles.

[B]

All right.

[A]

How do we.

[B]

Okay, so a little bit. You don't want to like, just slam it around like with the wine because it's gonna just. You're just gonna get a face of the alcohol, but like a little gently sniff it in, little snips, some wrist.

[A]

And elbow into that.

[B]

Yeah, you. Come on.

[A]

Look at that.

[C]

This smells like.

[B]

And then a work party.

[C]

This smells like I'm having a conversation with an executive. Oh, that's so interesting.

[A]

This sounds like. This sounds like I'm about to say. So where do you live now?

[C]

Wife, kids? How they doing?

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Schools.

[C]

Okay. This is. It's got a little bit of caramel.

[B]

A lot of caramel, a lot of vanilla, a lot of. It's. So that's all from the barrel, and I think that's from the accelerated aging, to be honest. Yeah.

[A]

So the barrel's doing a bunch of the work here.

[B]

The barrel's doing a lot of the work here.

[A]

There's a sweet, almost desserty, I would.

[B]

Say, super sweet, super corny. Like, it's like. There's a lot of. A lot of corn in this, I think, you know. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Is the word smooth appropriate to say?

[B]

Smooth is like this thing that, like, I think wine people hate because it's like.

[C]

What does that mean?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, it's smooth.

[C]

Or, you know, so no, Pablo is a dumb thing to say.

[B]

No, no. But I think it's okay with spirits because, like. Like, what is. It's rough. What would rough be?

[A]

Right, right, right.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

It's not usually a question somebody asks when I'm drinking bourbon, but I don't know, come up with a couple definition.

[B]

So we have this thing in Philadelphia called the Philly Special, right.

[A]

And it's like, yeah, it's the other guy. He throws it back to the guy, then you beat.

[C]

All right.

[B]

But that's, you know, that comes from the Philly Special, which is the Pabs Blue Ribbon and the Jim Beam.

[C]

A boilermaker, essentially.

[B]

Yes. Oh, that's where the name comes from.

[C]

Philly invented a beer in a shot and putting cheese on meat.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So unique, brilliant minds. I love the city. I was only kidding.

[A]

What do you see on the cash register, Jason?

[B]

Oh, the cash register. I mean, it's bourbon, so it has to be expensive. So I. I mean, and there's celebrity, so it's got to be even more expensive. I don't know, like 70 bucks maybe.

[C]

No chance. Really. I would say. I would say 32 tops.

[A]

In between 47 and 50.

[C]

Now. You were closer, I think, than I was. I don't know about a math guy.

[B]

But if you're a real bourbon dude, you go after, like, the single barrel, single cask, whatever, because it's like, going to be like, cast strength. It's going to be like 55, 60, whatever. And then, like, people who are real bourbon, people, like, want to add their own water to it. Like, thank you. Like, I don't need you, Charles woods.

[C]

And I don't have. I will say this is very drinkable. And I think that's not what I look for in a bourbon.

[A]

You want it?

[C]

I'm not looking for something to, like, I can. I can sip it fast.

[B]

Are we going to get to the like? So in tasting, there's this word mouth feel.

[A]

Yeah, Yeah.

[C]

I Look forward to that.

[B]

All you're describing is mouth feel.

[C]

Yeah, I feel awesome about this podcast coming out, so. It's okay. It just like baby's first bourbon to me.

[B]

Yeah, it's like. Yeah, it's a training wheels bourbon. Yeah, for sure.

[C]

Starter pack.

[B]

But it is, like, a little expensive for the starter pack, though, isn't it?

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

What do we got next?

[C]

This is a completely different color.

[A]

It's a great cornerback.

[C]

Look at this.

[A]

Oh, boy. Yeah.

[C]

This is more caramel versus this. This makes Woodson's look like piss. I'm just gonna be honest.

[A]

This is gentleman's cut.

[B]

Oh, very nice gentleman's cut.

[A]

Steph Curry brings us.

[C]

Cheers.

[A]

Aged at least five years, helmed in Boone County.

[B]

And what's the alcohol percentage?

[A]

The alcohol percentage. Glad you asked. 45.

[B]

All right, now we're getting up just a step.

[C]

Just a step above gentleman's cut. What's the cut referring to?

[A]

These are the terms that I have no idea.

[B]

Exactly. Okay.

[A]

That's what they talk about with the angel share.

[C]

That's a Jeopardy question. I got wrong.

[B]

The angel shares what evaporates from the barrel over time.

[A]

You guys are like political strategists. You liquor people just coming up with these euphemisms for stuff.

[C]

How dare you?

[B]

Right? How Black mold grows in the. In the distillery. Oh, that's the angel share. Yeah.

[A]

Angel.

[C]

Really? That's. It's makes.

[B]

Well, like, when it evaporates, this mold grows on the. In the distillery wall, you know, so it's like.

[C]

Yeah, my. My bathtub in Hoboken's full of the angel share.

[B]

There you go.

[C]

I got a real angel share problem in my bathtub.

[A]

I'm tasting some caramel.

[C]

Caramel.

[A]

I'm trying to say it fancy.

[B]

I doubt there's caramel added to it, but. Yeah. No, no, no, no. I mean, it's. There's vanilla, all of these, but it's. It's pecan.

[A]

It Is it like. Okay, there's. There's a. There's a vanilla bean.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

A seamless sip of honey.

[B]

I mean, it's. I think it's nicer than the other one because it's a little more complex. You got the sweetness, you got the vanilla honey with a seam, I think, you know, but not seamless honey, but like. And then there's this spicy rye.

[C]

This is doordash honey.

[A]

The idea that. Steph.

[B]

Gentleman's cut. Good name.

[C]

So is it. Or is it douchey?

[B]

Kind of douchey, but yeah.

[A]

Jason Wilson. What are you pricing this gentleman's cut at.

[B]

I would say I would go with the same price as the last one, so. Yeah, at least. At least. At least. I don't know, 65 to 75.

[C]

55.

[A]

$80.

[C]

No.

[A]

$80 for Steph Curry's bourbon.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

That doesn't surprise me. Yeah.

[A]

I just wonder, like, when you're making a vanity liquor a vanity bourbon.

[C]

How dare you suggest these are just vanity projects?

[A]

Like, what. What is this? Is any of this supposed to resemble Steph? Right. Like, how does this.

[C]

How is he in this?

[A]

How is he reflected in the gentleman's.

[B]

In the rye?

[A]

Like. Yeah, what is it?

[B]

I. I kind of respect Steph Curry, that he went high. Rye in the Bourbon, though. It's like, you know. Yeah. Like, high percentage of rye. Yeah.

[C]

Right. Hi, Rye.

[B]

Hi, Rye.

[A]

Notes of. Of your wife complaining on Twitter about the referees during the NBA finals.

[C]

And when I do this, I see spitting your mouth guard out at a ref controversially.

[A]

Yeah. I'm detecting a bit of. Of infantilization. Even though you're 6 foot 3 and the son of an NBA sharpshooter.

[C]

That is anybody.

[A]

Could be this.

[C]

Yeah. Daughter adorably interrupting your press conference right at the front of my mouth here.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So what did we like the most?

[C]

Oh, that's it. It's these two. Well, then it's this one. It's.

[B]

Yeah, this one for sure. This one for sure.

[C]

No offense, Charles. It's just like.

[B]

Honestly, that was just like. That was just like.

[C]

Look at the colors.

[A]

Right?

[B]

A spirit. This is actually like a bourbon. Yeah.

[C]

Damn, that's a bar.

[A]

I think I'm drunk now. Oh, God.

[B]

Are you guys dumping?

[C]

I have to. I can't. I'm sorry. It's the daytime.

[A]

This cup is this. What's in this cup now is the devil's share.

[C]

Yeah. Oh, my God, look how full his cup is.

[B]

Oh, he's really been dumping.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Guys, I feel like it's been on. Are you actually tasting?

[A]

I am tasting.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Oh, you little.

[A]

All right. We're refining our pallets. A little cleanser.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

With a tequila soda.

[C]

Tequila soda.

[A]

Tequila soda.

[C]

A premix.

[A]

These are brought to us by Travis Kelce.

[C]

What? 5%.

[A]

5% alcohol.

[C]

His name is nowhere on it. On mi casa, we use real tequila.

[A]

That is how Travis Kelsey, I imagine, would. Would speak Spanish. I'm bailing out after three words and mi casa. We use real tequila.

[C]

That's yo soy fiesta.

[A]

Yes. I'm wearing Los Blue jeans. I don't taste the tequila in this. This Is like the peach mango. It feels like a white cloud.

[B]

Okay, so I have the. The lime margarita, so maybe you're getting more.

[A]

I do get more.

[C]

I don't taste that much tequila either. But I will say it almost tastes like aspartame.

[B]

It does. It's a. Yeah.

[C]

I don't know.

[B]

It's a finish of aspartame. It's like a finish of like.

[C]

Maybe it's like. Oh, it says 100 calories on top. I was gonna say it doesn't brag about that anywhere, but it does taste like fake sugar. It's not bad.

[B]

I find with these, these tequila can cocktails. Stick with the. The basic margarita one. Yeah.

[C]

Don't go crazy with your flavors. But I will say on. On some of those, like the trulies, I feel like there's a passion fruit or something I really like, but I don't. Have you seen. They've come out with these now? Not these specific ones, but they're now doing like alcohol free trulies. And you're like, that's us. Just a seltzer. That's just a seltzer. It's something we've been doing for many years.

[A]

I do love a seltzer.

[C]

I know, me too. But don't do a. Don't. You wouldn't buy a.

[A]

Is it bad to drink mostly seltzer as opposed to just bad in what way? Like, is it place to reveal a bad character? Yeah. Or is it bad for you in any sort of medical way? And also, does it make you an.

[C]

I think it counts as water. I think it's spicy water. Oh, why am I still drinking this? And now what is this we have here?

[A]

This is Tequila Lobos 1707.

[C]

Brought to us.

[A]

Wolf.

[C]

Wolves.

[A]

Yes, wolves. Wolves brought to us.

[B]

Plural.

[A]

Brought to Us by LeBron James.

[C]

Oh, Lobos.

[A]

Jamesado.

[C]

It says aged in bourbon.

[B]

No, it can be aged in anything. But it's aged. It has to be aged one day, less than a year.

[C]

What?

[B]

It has to be rep. It's just rested. It's rested, yeah.

[A]

Can you explain the difference, Jason, between.

[C]

The types of reposado and blanco? Blanco.

[A]

Blanco, yeah.

[B]

So blanco. Very simple. It's unaged. Reposado is rested. So it's a little bit of age. Anejo is like more than a year. You don't usually age tequila that much, but like maybe two, three years or whatever. And then there's like X, John, Jejo, and there's all kinds of wild stuff that goes on there.

[C]

And so what do you Mean, wild stuff.

[B]

Well, like kissing on the mouth. No, much more than that.

[C]

Oh, damn.

[A]

Wear masks.

[C]

Oh, that's alcohol. Heavy.

[B]

Maybe, though.

[A]

This is a 40.

[B]

Yeah. See, it's not 40. You just called poor Charles Woodson's baby bourbon. And this is the same abv.

[C]

I'm just saying it smells when you smell it. It smells like something I'd put on a wound.

[A]

This is what Dr. Quinn Medicine.

[B]

It's a wound for your soul would use.

[A]

This will heal the kid from the rattlesnake.

[C]

This will cleanse my soul. Which came first? Taco Tuesday or this? Did he do this because he was doing the taco? Is he still doing it?

[A]

You know what it is?

[B]

It's Taco Tuesday.

[A]

It feels, as Ryan Cortez has pointed out for the. For the longest time, ethnically insensitive.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And now here he is with a tequila.

[C]

Can I say, I know we're not to go backwards, but I'm burping up Travis Kelce a bunch.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I keep getting this strawberry margarita in the back of my. All right, this is nice. This is a nice.

[B]

But it's a weird tequila because, like. All right, so. I mean, you have the notes over there. So is it. Is it aged in Pedro Jimenez cask?

[C]

Is that a genuine question?

[B]

It's a genuine question. There's a grape called Pedro Jimenez. How did you know?

[C]

That's amazing.

[B]

Because it says PX right here.

[A]

Oh, this is how they phrase. And I love the vocabulary.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

This is what it is described as after ruminating for over six slow months in American white oak barrels, the liquid is blended with a touch of lobo 1707 tequila extra anejo. And finished at its leisure. Oh, say finished at its leisure whenever.

[C]

It feels like it. So they put a little bit of the extra anejo in this one, is what you're saying. And then it finishes.

[A]

All I know is that. Is that it's finished at its leisure in historic PX wine barrels.

[C]

Nice.

[A]

Using the Soletta method.

[C]

And that is.

[A]

Is that.

[B]

All right, so that's. Here's like real wide education here. So it's like they. Or spirits education. They put. They put the young in a barrel, and they. They always. They take some out and they add the old. So there's always like this.

[A]

Aaron Rodgers accused Jimmy Kimmel of doing. I'm drunk.

[C]

They're gonna give you a raise over there at the mouse.

[B]

And you're spitting, thumping.

[A]

I'm spitting. I said I'm a lightweight. And once sipped, it reveals its spicy audacious character.

[C]

Oh, it is audacious.

[B]

It's audacious to do all this to Tequila, for sure. Like, I mean, like, it's just a reposado. Just, like, make it a reposado. Like, I don't know. Like, what.

[A]

What you pricing this at? Jason, you're getting hammered.

[C]

Where's your pricing?

[A]

Let's cut to the money. Listen, buddy, I'm here to find out stuff.

[C]

How much are you gonna charge me?

[B]

80 bucks.

[C]

80.

[A]

80. Wait, hold on.

[B]

No, no, no. Maybe less, maybe less. Maybe less, because 65, man of the people. But it's reposado, so let's say 65.

[A]

55.

[B]

Okay. All right.

[C]

Thanks, LeBron.

[A]

I believe.

[C]

Thanks, LeBron.

[A]

Thank you so much on Taco Tuesday.

[C]

Thank you so much. Now, the only drink I've ever been served by LeBron is a vodka cranberry.

[A]

So this is a Served a drink by LeBron James.

[B]

You have.

[C]

He made me a vodka cranberry. I was mortified. It was at an SB party I was not invited to. I gave the name of a US Women's National Team beloved star in order to get in because nobody knew and that it embarrassed our network, I think. But anyway, I got into this SP afterparty with my friends Diana Rossini and Cassidy Hubbard. So here I am at LeBron's party, feeling very uncomfortable. And he turned around and asked us if we wanted anything to drink. And I was ready to go. No, it's okay. Thank you, LeBron James. And Diana was like, you know what? We'll take a couple vodka cranberries.

[A]

Diana would.

[C]

So he turns around and he goes to the bucket, and he himself is, like, putting the ice in the glasses and made us and brought us. And when he handed it to me, I said, thank you, LeBron James. What the fuck? And then I went to the bathroom. I texted Everybody I know. LeBron just handed me a vodka cranberry.

[A]

And so we have one challenger.

[B]

In.

[A]

The world of tequila, and it is Cincoro Reposado. Sorry, Miguel Jordan's tequila.

[C]

Oh, Jordan.

[A]

LeBron. Look at this. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

[B]

Look at the bottom.

[A]

Look at this.

[C]

Well, in size.

[A]

Talk about size.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Lord, yeah. Look at her.

[C]

As a size queen.

[A]

As a. I think that.

[C]

Wow. Look at the front of it. It's doing this. It's, like, showing its chest.

[A]

This is like.

[C]

What's it called?

[A]

What they serve on the spaceship in the movie Prometheus.

[B]

Mrs. Butterworth got fancy.

[C]

It looks like Galliano. Honestly, that looks like the bottle that's covered in dust at the bar that.

[A]

Nobody ever uses is sinkoro. Tequila is all it says. It's a translucent bottle.

[C]

You can see centoro. So bull.

[B]

No, no.

[C]

So what's that? 50? I speak?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

I feel like.

[B]

No, I think there's, like, I don't know, five dudes that made the stila or something, right? It's like.

[A]

Yeah, okay, good.

[C]

That's good.

[A]

Reposado.

[B]

It's my. That's the extent of my Spanish.

[C]

You can't wake at me when I've been drinking. It's. It's different.

[A]

100% de agave.

[C]

What?

[A]

100 agave.

[C]

So it's just agave.

[B]

Therefore, it can be tequila. Right?

[C]

Right.

[B]

Because it would have to be 140.

[C]

It's like. You didn't have to tell us that.

[B]

Right?

[C]

It's like an unnecessary. So they're both 40.

[A]

This feels like. This feels like you won the national championship.

[C]

Which one of these is it? What color?

[B]

I don't know. It feels like. Like. Okay, it feels a little bit like a pickleball trophy, but.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Yeah, it's this one. Oh, it smells sweet.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Sinkoro translates. Of course. Oro. We're break it down here. Oro means gold.

[C]

Ah. So five golds.

[A]

It's five golds, five championships. But he's won six.

[B]

Yeah. Not loving it, huh?

[C]

Why would he name it that?

[B]

Because there's five guys, burgers and fries.

[A]

Damn, damn, damn. That video. The guy reviewing Five Guys. My favorite video.

[B]

Five guys, burgers and fries. Oh, my goodness. I got bacon just dropping out.

[A]

Damn, damn, damn.

[B]

That bacon is so serious, boy.

[A]

He goes, damn, damn, damn, bro. I am uniquely made with Weber blue agave from both the highland and lowland regions.

[C]

Okay. Why mention the land at all, though, Jason?

[A]

They have been cooked and distilled separately, then artfully blended.

[C]

Oh.

[A]

Into a single exceptional tequila.

[C]

Now, this smells. I'm telling you, it smells sweet, doesn't it, for a tequila?

[A]

Yeah, it's like, very serious. Vanilla E. Yeah, super vanilla.

[C]

Like the.

[B]

Like a pure vanilla extract creme brulee.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

There it is. There.

[C]

Oh, and then the finish is like a cigarette.

[B]

What is going on?

[A]

I. I see it. I see the vision. I mean, there's, like, some regret.

[B]

Yeah. This is. Huh?

[A]

I don't like cotton candy.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. It's like. Well, this is.

[C]

I don't want him to take it personally, but I don't. I'm not a huge.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm shocked by how not enjoyable, how much I don't.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And I Have a funny feeling. It's pricey.

[B]

Well, I know his ex, John Jejo is like, special one is like $5,000, but I don't know. I don't.

[C]

There's no chance.

[B]

No, there's no.

[A]

Sorry, Dan.

[C]

No way. Skipper was like, totally. Yeah, that's.

[B]

Yeah, but look at this bottle. That's embarrassing. I'm sorry.

[A]

Yeah, he said that's embarrassing. The shape of this, like, you know the meeting. The meetings they had, which they were like. All right, this is inspired by.

[C]

Is it five sided? Is it a pentagon? I believe it is.

[A]

One, two, three. For your eyes.

[C]

Yeah, they did that on purpose. And then the. The.

[A]

The 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. You're right.

[C]

The top is.

[A]

Is 1, 2, 3, 4,.

[C]

Fascinating, no? I'm gonna give this a flat no for me. I don't like the way it tastes. I don't like the way it's named. It feels like too many meetings, not enough tequila.

[B]

Exactly.

[C]

It feels like it's like brand ideation.

[A]

True. In true Da Vinci Code fashion. I'm noticing there's a message. Oh, what's it say on the. The rim here?

[B]

Don't buy this tequila. It sucks.

[C]

That'd be pretty cool.

[A]

It says five gold. Okay. Share truth.

[C]

Share truth.

[A]

Yeah, well, your tequila sucks, dude.

[C]

You told me I could say. You told me I could say it. It says on your bottle to say your tequila sucks. I'm so sorry.

[A]

Truth shared.

[C]

Truth hurts.

[A]

What are we putting this at, price wise?

[C]

90.

[B]

I think they're. They're kind of the same price. Probably. Yeah. No. You think it's more.

[C]

No, I'm sorry. I just took a sip of it. Speaking My truth.

[A]

$120.

[C]

Yo, that's silly. Don't lie.

[A]

Sorry.

[C]

Sorry.

[A]

Look, we broke Jason. We broke him.

[C]

One of us.

[A]

One of us.

[C]

Here's the thing. Don't write, be honest or whatever it says. If you don't want me to tell you the 120 is too much for that in this economy. Absolutely not. Damn, I'm boozed.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I am lightly buzzed. I am.

[B]

Lightly.

[C]

Yeah. Just lightly.

[A]

I think it's time to cap it off.

[C]

This is it, right?

[A]

We're done with a toast.

[C]

Okay. A toast.

[A]

Oh, a champagne stomach is like.

[B]

What the.

[C]

What is this are you doing? Why are you doing this?

[A]

What's going on? Like, sorry. Really? This is just like a. Oh, Jason has.

[C]

I used to do this.

[A]

I think you gotta aim it that way at the soundproof part, not the LED screen. Sor. My LED screen gets broken by Isaiah Thomas's champagne.

[C]

Is that who it is?

[A]

Curlin Champagne.

[C]

Nicely done. Was very well done. I didn't. I'm sorry.

[B]

Open with a whisper, not a shouted.

[C]

You okay? It smells like piss. I don't know. I smelled the cork as one does and it's pissy.

[A]

Yeah. I don't know.

[B]

First of all, cheers, everybody. Cheers.

[A]

Cheers. Cheers.

[B]

Cheers.

[C]

Cheers. Do you smell champagne? I don't see what the point of that is.

[A]

I did, but I wasn't sure either.

[C]

Drinkable? I don't drink. I don't love the taste. I like that it doesn't bite in a way that sometimes champagne does, but it's zero bite. I don't love the way it tastes.

[A]

So this is how they are describing this. He and his wife Lynn wanted a healthier, great tasting champagne without the added sugar. What Isaiah is quick to point out, quote, it had to be reasonably priced and it definitely couldn't come with a headache the next day. It took years. But that's exactly what we found in cheerlen short.

[C]

Sure.

[A]

I don't know. Is that a brand, Jason?

[B]

I don't know. What, What's. What. What's about the sugar added?

[C]

No sugar.

[A]

Without the added sugar, there's no way.

[C]

There's no sugar added. It's champagne. Isn't that sweet by.

[B]

Well, there is like a type of champagne that's like brute natural. It's like no sugar. Like. No, no, there's always like this dosage that's added. That's. And that's why they.

[C]

That's like with the horses when you do the dancing. Dosage.

[A]

Mitt Romney's daughter loves dosage.

[C]

She's big on dosage.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Bruce Springsteen's daughter too.

[A]

That's right.

[C]

Really? Wow.

[A]

That's future episode. Write that down. Write that down, guys. Dosage Episode.

[B]

Yeah. You put a little sugar water in there and it like. That's when. That's how it gets all the bubbles and you. They put it away and then.

[C]

Yeah, okay, but.

[B]

But there's also a way to do it without any of that.

[C]

So he's saying he didn't put any sugar.

[B]

He put like sugar free.

[A]

He just claims to not have added sugar. Deeply rooted in the belief.

[C]

Oh, God.

[A]

That a great champagne emanates from honoring tradition, of course. Worshiping the terroir.

[B]

Terroir. I knew, I knew we would get the terroir today.

[A]

He's a thousand pounds. Right. And practicing sustainable agriculture. Oh, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Harmonize into a fresh and balanced flavor.

[C]

Fresh and Balanced violation on there.

[B]

There's not. I would not call this fresh.

[A]

This champagne was. Was allegedly. This champagne should have never been hired to run the New York Liberty. Whoa, this is an increasingly specific.

[C]

I've dropped my phone. That's how you know I'm drunk. And I spilled water on yours. You might want to pick that up.

[B]

Yeah, very good.

[A]

All right, what are we. What are we pricing all that at?

[C]

I mean, for the effort. A whole lot of money.

[B]

Well, if it's champagne, it's probably at least.

[C]

Oh, I don't know. Is this Andre level?

[A]

Reasonably priced is what he said.

[C]

Okay, reasonably priced is Andre. That's 12.99.

[B]

No, no, no, no, no, no. It's not that. Because it's actual champagne. So what?

[C]

It's. Wait, sorry, Andre is not actual champagne.

[B]

No, it's from California.

[C]

What does that mean? You say that like I go, oh.

[B]

Of course it's not.

[C]

It's from champagne region of France.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

What about Prosecco? So Prosecco's not. Prosecco is not champagne.

[B]

No. Cava's not champagne.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

You know, yeah, it's just like the meme. It can only come from the champagne region.

[C]

Why, yes, of course. That meme we've all encountered.

[A]

We're on very different Internet.

[C]

Yeah, I don'.

[B]

Sorry.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

I would say 38.99.

[C]

That's a good guess.

[A]

$50. Suck it.

[C]

Affordable. To whom?

[A]

What are we doing here? Is to whom?

[C]

Isaiah?

[B]

What are we doing? Isaiah? Seriously, Whatever the price is. What are we even doing? Can you guys show us your dump cups?

[C]

All our dumps. Dumps, like a truck?

[A]

What size?

[C]

Like what? Baby, Let me say it again, okay. All my dumps.

[B]

Yeah, show us your dumps.

[C]

I spit out wine.

[A]

I don't think I can tilt it, because wine's only for the dentist.

[C]

I actually thought I put more in. I spit out wine one time.

[A]

I'm adding to this, man.

[C]

This is Pablo.

[A]

There's a lot in there.

[C]

Come on, dude. So vanilla. Whose was the vanilla one? Was that.

[A]

That was Jordan.

[B]

MJ's. Yeah.

[A]

Down the hatch in my ear is a room full of people saying, do not drink this, but also drink.

[C]

Drink it. Take one sip. Take a sip.

[A]

I'm not. Okay, I'll take a little sip. Here we go.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

What if he loves it? What if he loves it?

[A]

I could be a lot worse.

[C]

Oh, my God. Take another sip. Then he's gonna put it in a bottle and call it Pablo's swill.

[B]

Can you do accelerated aging, please, guys?

[A]

This is spicy and audacious. I feel like we're all gonna be friends for a long time, right?

[B]

At least for.

[A]

I love you guys so much.

[C]

No, shut up. I love you the most. I'm gonna go home, and Dan's gonna be like, can you just put this in a different room? I do not want to be around this.

[A]

You smell like Isaiah Thomas.

[C]

I do. And let me explain. I can explain.

[A]

And that's real, by the way. We spent the entire afternoon playing video games in our studio. We have a whole rig now to play like Sega Genesis. As for my friends who helped me make this show, Pablo Torre finds out is produced by Michael Antonucci, Ryan Cortez, Sam Dawig, Juan Galindo, Patrick Kim, Neely Loman, Rachel Miller, Howard, Ethan Schreier, Carl Scott, Matt Sullivan, Chris Tominiello and Juliet Warren. Studio engineering by RG Systems Post production by NGW Post. Our theme song, as always, is by John Bravo. We'll be back with a very different episode, As I often like to say. On Tuesday, talk to.