"Be Like Satoshi": We Unmask Scottie Pippen's A.I. Crypto Slop

Summary

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Podcast Summary: "Be Like Satoshi": We Unmask Scottie Pippen's A.I. Crypto Slop

Podcast: Pablo Torre Finds Out (The Athletic)
Air Date: May 14, 2026
Host: Pablo Torre
Guests/Correspondents: Charlotte Wilder, Wyatt Cenac, (various anonymous guests/AI voices)

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Pablo Torre embarks on a winding investigation into the bizarre online life of Scottie Pippen—NBA legend and, now, purveyor of crypto and AI-generated meme content. Instead of solving the Satoshi Nakamoto (creator of Bitcoin) mystery, the show digs into who—or what—is really running Scottie Pippen's social media presence, which has devolved into a surreal stew of meme coins, AI videos, and questionable web3 projects. With comic detours and sharp cultural critique, the episode explores sports legacy, the seductions of digital hustle culture, the G.O.A.T. debate, and the hilarious, sometimes shady world of crypto marketing.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Satoshi Nakamoto Mystery as a Red Herring

• [03:05] Pablo poses the classic crypto mystery: Who is Satoshi Nakamoto? Media (NYT, documentaries) swing between various candidates (Adam Back, Hal Finney, Len Sassaman), none Japanese.
  • Quote: "Yeah, unfortunately, the Asian culture is their costume."
  • The crew jokes about the absurdity of naming conventions in branding, likening "Satoshi Nakamoto" to inventions like "Haagen Dazs" ([04:31]).
• [05:25] This segues to Scottie Pippen's odd claim—at a 2024 crypto conference, onstage with Michael Saylor—that he met Satoshi in Seattle in 1993 and in a dream.

2. Scottie Pippen’s Social Media Transformation

• [08:34] Pablo recounts Scottie's gradual shift from basketball icon to “crypto bro” with a series of surreal, sometimes viral tweets and AI-generated videos.
  • [09:22] Charlotte reads a wild Pippen tweet: “Satoshi Nakamoto visited me in a dream last night and predicted that bitcoin would be at $84,650 on November 5, 2024. Not financial advice.”
  • [09:53] They riff on an AI creation of Elon Musk in a Bulls jersey; "AI slop" becomes a running joke.
• [10:22] Scottie’s feed is a chaotic blend: Elon memes, grandmas dunking (AI-generated), and absurd content referencing Bulls nostalgia.

3. The Core Mystery: Who Is Behind Scottie's Posts?

• [11:36] A fan (Josh “Cable Thanos” Cashman) DMs Pablo, begging him to investigate Scottie’s “weird social team.”
• [12:26] There’s public skepticism: Scottie posts a selfie-style video to “prove” he controls his own account, but the hosts jokingly doubt its authenticity.
  • Quote: Wyatt: "I feel like that could have been AI. I don't even believe that's a real video."
• [13:26] Pablo finds Scottie’s own testimony unpersuasive, setting him on an investigative track.

4. Scottie Pippen’s Rough Decade: The Shadow of Jordan and Online Clowning

• [15:02] The show recaps Pippen’s “uncomfortable” last ten years:
  • Marital drama with Larsa Pippen (who dated Marcus Jordan, Michael Jordan’s son) [16:15]
  • Ongoing rivalry and public humiliation in the wake of The Last Dance docuseries [23:10], highlighting how Pippen’s legacy is minimized compared to Jordan.
  • Larsa and Marcus's podcast falls apart; Real Housewives drama is dissected for its sporting Shakespearian overtones.

5. The Main Event: The Ball Coin and Memeification of Nostalgia

• [26:40] The hosts finally dissect what Scottie is actually pitching: a meme coin (“$BALL”) allegedly “tokenizing” the game-winning ball from the 1991 NBA Finals.

• [29:29] Pablo plays portions of surreal AI-marketing videos featuring a talking basketball hyping empowerment, web3, and Bulls history, blending social justice motifs with cringe comedy.

  • Quote ([32:16]): "Shout out to women creators flipping the script with Web3 turning financial hurdles into straight fire opportun. No gatekeepers in sight. It's like the 1991 Chicago Bulls—shattering dynasties."

• [34:20] The AI basketball also regularly “transitions” from pseudo-deep speech to sports barbershop debates (“Jordan’s 1991 Bulls or LeBron’s 2016 Cavs?”), parodying “first take” culture.

  • Quote ([35:03], Wyatt): "You said you wanted everyone to be a Batman character."

• [37:17] Technical shenanigans: After coin launch, blockchain sleuths allege a “rug pull” as $330k is swiftly cashed out from a developer wallet.

  • Quote ([38:01], Pablo): “If you zoom in on the diagram, you can also see a particular connection…an abandoned project called Lil Hippo—kind of like bored apes, but for hip hop hippos.”

6. The Real Puppetmasters: Tyrese Gibson, Kiarash Behane, and the Dubious AI Ecosystem

• [45:01] Pablo traces the chain of influence back to Tyrese Gibson (who hosted Pippen and Pippen Jr. at “Gibsihana,” his backyard Benihana), then to viral marketer/crypto entrepreneur Kiarash Behane, the real orchestrators behind the Ball coin and content.
• [49:15] Tyrese, on Instagram, boosts Behane as a “Billboard hits, blockchain, AI, 10 billion viral hits, and counting” maven—satirized as basically a human LinkedIn buzzword generator.
  • Quote ([49:51], Charlotte): "This is John Ralphio, right? Just random buzzwords—AI, Blockchain, Jay Z, Jeff Bezos...”
• [50:11] The crew groans over “AI MLK teaching a TikTok dance”—a viral hit featured as an example of Behane’s agency work.

7. “Transparency” in Meme Coin World

• [57:18] Pablo contacts Behane for answers, gets circular PR answers about “strategy and digital direction”—Pippen hands-on but not alone.
  • When asked about the $330k rug pull: Behane: “There was malicious trading activity including ‘snipers’…capital was redeployed back…we published an on-chain launch report.”
  • The report is bureaucratic, crowdfund jargon that, as Wyatt notes ([61:03]), boils down to: “If our actions offended anyone, please know that was not our intent.”

8. Wider Commentary on Sports, Legacy, and AI Scams

• [61:22] Show closes with another AI basketball “thought leader” voice, drawing facile parallels between crypto, AI scams, and legacy NBA culture. Points to the creeping danger of AI deepfakery and eroded trust in both sports and tech.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• [03:26] Wyatt (on being a crypto “early adopter”): “I don’t consider myself a crypto bro. I was an early adopter, and then I got out before the bros came in, before they gentrified.”
• [09:22] Charlotte (reading Pippen tweet): “Satoshi Nakamoto visited me in a dream last night and predicted that bitcoin would be at $84,650 on November 5, 2024. Not financial advice.”
• [12:38] Wyatt: “I feel like that could have been AI. I don’t even believe that’s a real video.”
• [15:44] Charlotte (on Future’s music and workplace awkwardness): “Future came on right as Scotty was walking into the studio, and I was like, who’s got the Bluetooth speaker, man?”
• [23:51] Wyatt (reading from Pippen’s memoir): “The Last Dance glorified Michael Jordan while not giving nearly enough praise to me and my proud teammates…Michael and I aren’t close and never have been.”
• [26:53] Pablo: “Do you guys have any idea what Scottie Pippen is selling here?”
• [32:41] Charlotte: “That voice you heard was a massive basketball with sunglasses on and a crown in a locker room…”
• [37:49] Wyatt (on crypto “rug pull”): “$330,000, you said? $330,000. So Pippen’s jersey number.”
• [49:51] Charlotte (on buzzword viral marketers): “This is John Ralphio, right? Just random buzzwords—AI, Blockchain, Jay Z, Jeff Bezos…”
• [61:03] Wyatt: “…the last sentence feels like one of those things…if our actions offended anyone, please know that was not our intent. It feels like some weird PR apology non-apology.”

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Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• [03:05] Introduction to “Who is Satoshi?” and Pippen’s bizarre claim
• [08:34] Pippen’s transformation into a crypto/A.I. persona
• [11:36] The “Cable Thanos” fan tipoff and Pablo’s mission
• [13:26] Suspicions about who really runs @ScottiePippen
• [15:02] Recap of Pippen’s public embarrassments, Larsa/Marcus Jordan saga
• [23:51] Reading from Pippen’s “Unguarded” memoir about The Last Dance
• [26:40] Dissecting Scottie’s $BALL coin and the web3 “tokenizing” scheme
• [29:29] AI talking basketball and memeification of NBA nostalgia
• [37:17] On-chain sleuthing: $330k “rug pull” and Lil Hippo NFT connection
• [45:01] Introduction of Tyrese Gibson and the “Gibsihana” ecosystem
• [49:15] The Kiarash Behane “LinkedIn” moment and AI MLK dance
• [57:18] Behane’s PR answers and “on-chain transparency” document
• [61:22] AI basketball’s closing moral and warnings on AI/crypto scams

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Tone & Style

The episode maintains Pablo’s signature blend of deep-dive reporting, cultural satire, and hilarious skepticism. There’s affectionate clowning of sports archetypes, web3 absurdity, and meta-commentary about scams, nostalgia, and “authenticity” in the digital age.
Memorable comic moments arise from AI voiceover segues, Wyatt’s stand-up-ready riffs, and incredulous readings of viral content.

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Conclusion

Pablo Torre’s investigation unearths the tangled realities beneath Scottie Pippen’s crypto adventures: a confusing web of meme coins, AI videos, viral marketers, and nostalgia grifting—more performance art than financial revolution. The episode ends with a wry warning: whether in sports or web3, the temptation to rewrite history or cash in on legacy is a story as old as the Bulls dynasty—now with algorithmic help.

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Transcript

[Pablo Torre]

Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.

[Narrator/Commentator (possibly a guest or AI voice)]

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[Pablo Torre]

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[Charlotte Wilder]

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[Pablo Torre]

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[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

I'm not gonna. I'm. I'm not gonna open it at all. Even when given the opportunity to open it, I'm not gonna open it because I just want to appreciate it for what it is. It's like when you make your first dollar the first time you work a job. I'm framing. I'm framing. This.

[Pablo Torre]

This. This is going to be an episode that relates to basketball. This is going to be an episode that relates to money and how it is transacted. I need to actually formally begin the episode by asking if you guys are familiar with the mystery of Satoshi Nakamoto.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Sure. But Wyatt looks like he doesn't know, so tell him.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Oh, I look confused. I know. Satoshi. I'm all about bitcoin, baby. That's. I have a shirt that says all about bitcoin, baby.

[Charlotte Wilder]

I didn't have you as a crypto bro.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

I don't consider myself a crypto bro. I was an early adopter, and then I got out before the bros came

[Pablo Torre]

in, before they gentrified.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

Blockchain.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Once the manosphere shows up any place, I'm like, ooh, it's time to go.

[Pablo Torre]

Satoshi Nakamoto Amin, of course, is the alias that has been masking the true identity of whoever spawned Bitcoin. In 2009 and last month, the New York Times investigative reporter John Cary Rue reported that the true identity of Satoshi Nakamoto, this mystery that everyone's been trying to solve, is actually Johnny Pippen. Well, they reported that it's a computer scientist named Adam. Back weeks after that, an investigative documentary called Finding Satoshi came out, and it reported that Satoshi is actually two cryptographers named Hal Finney and Len Sassaman.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

But not even Japanese.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, unfortunately, the Asian culture is their costume.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Yeah, it's like Haagen Dazs is not actually Norwegian, right?

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

It's not.

[Charlotte Wilder]

It's from upstate New York. Yeah, it's from upstate New York. Haagen Dazs doesn't mean anything. It's just a made up sound. Scandinavian. Because they know about ice cream.

[Pablo Torre]

Apparently, the rocky road of journalism around Satoshi Nakamoto has brought me, though, in this incredibly competitive journalistic challenge to a voice I would like to bring our attention to. And that voice belongs to someone that I think you guys will recall. So Scotty mentioned something to me yesterday that I thought was pretty interesting. You mentioned you met Satoshi in Seattle in 1993. He also came to you in a dream. You have a nice relationship with Satoshi.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

I feel like I do, yeah.

[Anonymous Guest/Source]

I feel like I have a story to tell.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Definitely have an opportunity to meet him back in 1993.

[Pablo Torre]

That was Scottie Pippen on stage at a crypto conference in 2024. And if you could just please, I mean, describe the visuals for those who are just listening.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Scotty is sitting there dressed in all black. A black button up shirt, black jeans, and a black hat that I believe says the word ball on it.

[Pablo Torre]

Yes. The guy in the middle, by the way, is billionaire and bitcoin advocate Michael Saylor, who is an incredibly prominent figure in the world of crypto. And you'll notice when Scotty Pippen says, oh yeah, I know I met Satoshi in Seattle in the 90s, Michael Saylor turns to him and pretty resentfully is just like, who the. So I need you to know up top here that this is not going to be an episode about unmasking Satoshi Nakamoto, the mysterious founder of bitcoin and the creator of a multitrillion dollar cryptocurrency industry. This episode is actually going to be about unmasking the guy who has now claimed repeatedly to have met Satoshi back in the 1990s. Scottie Pippen, all time NBA great, arguably the best sidekick in sports history, and the guy who also happens to have done a bunch of TV with one of our guests today back in the 2010s on ESPN.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Unless you already walked into this year thinking to yourself, I can't wait to get rid of this dude. Well, I don't know why anyone would start talking about.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

I think the whole situation is, if

[Anonymous Guest/Source]

you look at the games that they

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

played already, they probably should be better than 500 right now.

[Pablo Torre]

But to be clear, Amin Elhassan is not the only PTFO guest today who has a special connection to the 90s bulls.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

So my family, my mother's family is from Wilmington, North Carolina. They grew up with Michael Jordan's family. They were very, very close. So much so that one of my uncles is married to one of Michael's aunts. My uncle Harley married his aunt Reba. And I never knew Michael. I had cousins who grew up with him. His father was at my cousin's wedding. And so that's the Michael part of it, the Scotty part of it. I did a ceramics class where we had to make masks. And they were supposed to be abstract masks. But when I started working on the mask that I made. It started to look like Scottie Pippen to me. So I then just. I just made a. As. As lifelike as possible a. A mask of Scottie PIPPEN at whatever, 16, 17 years old.

[Pablo Torre]

And this concept, this notion of a distorted replication, an avatar of Scotty Pippen, gets right to the heart of our actual mystery here, as we examine a world where it has never been easier to hide who you really are. Because what Wide Sinek does not know as a person who logged off of Elon Musk's Twitter several years ago, is that while his relative Michael Jordan has stayed as relevant as ever while never joining social media, this thanks in part to the incredible last dance docuseries and interminable sports television debates, Scottie Pippen has become something startling. A crypto bro himself, for instance. I mean, Scottie Pippen tweeted this in September of 2024.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Satoshi Nakamoto visited me in a dream last night and predicted that bitcoin would be at $84,650 on November 5, 2024. Not financial advice.

[Pablo Torre]

Bitcoin Wyatt proceeded to break $99,000 in November. And this built the legend of Scotty Pippen, whose Tweet was viewed 9.8 million times on Elon's platform, which then led to this Tweet that got 27.5 million views.

[Charlotte Wilder]

The image is of Elon Musk in Luke Longley's jersey, number 13 for the Bulls. Yeah, and the caption is, how many championships would we have won with Lon Musk thinking emoji? My favorite part is AI in its infinite wisdom, said, let me put Elon Musk in a Bull jersey and let me make sure someone has passed away. Let's put a black patch there. A memorial of whoever.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

Well, speaking of AI slop and contemplating mortality, it is also important to note that Scotty Pippen is not merely posting Elon Musk stuff. Scottie Pippen is also posting videos of Grandma's dunking.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Slap the backboard.

[Narrator/Commentator (possibly a guest or AI voice)]

Grandma.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Come on.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

So stupid. Also stupid that I feel like that totally just pisses on the legacy of Larry Johnson. Grandma. Ma. That.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Like.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Like, why aren't we appreciating Grandmama in this moment? Instead, we're making AI grandmas to do, to do the work that Larry Johnson already pioneered.

[Pablo Torre]

It's a really good point. I mean, all of this, by the way, this is just a sampling of what Scottie Pippen's social media account is like now. And it is so much like this that I got a DM from a guy named Josh Cashman. This is at Cable Thanos on Twitter. He himself actually makes legitimately incredible Seattle Seahawks fan videos himself using human, you know, ingenuity.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Cable Thanos calling you out. I know I make all these cool videos and all and all that.

[Pablo Torre]

See if you can beat me in Smash Bros. I'll talk to you soon. And what Cable Thanos beseeched of me amin was this.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Please do a video on Pippin's weird social team. And then you responded, Great idea. Tbh.

[Pablo Torre]

And so here we are. We're here to examine the satoshi, like, question of who the is behind Ottie Pippen. Although I should also point out, Wyatt, that ottottypippen notably did reply to somebody on Twitter who had previously alleged that ottottypippen, quote, doesn't even manage his own account. To which Scottie Pippen himself then had to reply with a video of his own.

[Anonymous Guest/Source]

Yo, what's up? This is Scotty. Just want to let you know it's

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

me using my account. I feel like that could have been AI. I don't even believe that's a real video. It's Scotty Pippen in what appears to be the backyard of like a. Just a New England style home that has white siding on it. It's not where you think Scotty Pippen would be. It feels like maybe he's at a relative's house or you. Yeah, like, why is he in Rhode Island?

[Pablo Torre]

There is a ladder.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Yeah, yeah. If you told me this is Scotty Pippen's house, I would say there must be another Scotty Pippen. But he's got on a hoodie. It's got a gold frame on the hoodie. There's an image and it's a gold frame and then the word ball.

[Pablo Torre]

And I must admit here that Scotty Pin's own testimony here at age 60, I found it unpersuasive when it comes to the question of who's behind Scottie Pippen's social media accounts.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

And so, yeah, it led me on my own quest to unmask the true identity of this other crypto mystery.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Is it Satoshi? Did we just figure out the end of the episode before we went through it? Are we?

[Pablo Torre]

Damnit.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

I didn't even need to do. Wow. Okay. All right.

[Pablo Torre]

I do need to back up here and acknowledge something, which is that for those who have not been paying attention to Scottie Pippen, it's been kind of a rough decade. I mean, for Scottie Pippen in Fact, this episode is not this show's first foray into Pippin related journalism. One of the first shows we ever did here at Pablo Torre finds out this was October of 2023 was a joint interview with both Larsa Pippen, Scotty's ex wife, now age 51, and her then boyfriend, Marcus Jordan. Cousin Marcus, as Wyatt can tell you from family reunions, he's 35 and very out here. And the premise of that episode was even beyond the age gap stuff. It was, to me, Shakespeare, right? I mean, Scotty Pippen's ex wife was talking about marrying the son of Scotty Pippen's former running mate, who is this cruel, greatest of all time character whose shadow he continues to occupy. As all of this was happening, I was just thinking about Scotty and what it must feel like to be him.

[Charlotte Wilder]

It could have been fun. And it's not like that was the first foray for him into this is uncomfortable territory. Lars Ex, before Marcus Jordan was popular recording artist Future. And you know, people were running with those memes. And your future during that time was on a generational music run. You couldn't go anywhere without the music playing. I remember one time, because I used to do the jump with Scottie Pippen, and one time we're sitting on set waiting for people to show up. I don't think Rachel had gotten there yet. Scotty hadn't gotten there yet. But I was there early and we like to play music. And then Future came on right as Scotty was walking into the studio, and I was like, who's got the Bluetooth speaker, man?

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Skip or skip turn?

[Pablo Torre]

Airplane mode.

[Charlotte Wilder]

It was just so awkward for, you know, your, your former spouse to be involved with one of the most popular music artists who, by the way, makes insinuations in his music about you. To the son of my former teammate who I have like a weird kind of tension and rivalry with to begin with. It wasn't a fun 2016-2026 for Scottie Pippen.

[Pablo Torre]

And then I come along asking questions on a podcast of both of them. Do you want your dad to give a toast at your wedding? How does this work?

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Yeah, you know, look, I was the best man at his wedding and so. And the best man at my brother's wedding. And so obviously we'll keep that tradition going.

[Anonymous Guest/Source]

Is my, my thoughts on it.

[Pablo Torre]

I want in. I want, I want video cameras there

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

now that, you know, I've been on

[Charlotte Wilder]

the, on the Housewives in Miami.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

You know, all the producers are inquiring around, you know, When's the wedding? Are we going to film it on tv?

[Pablo Torre]

Yada, yada, yada.

[Charlotte Wilder]

That's another thing.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

No, I'm sure Scottie Pippen at some point is like, when are you going to do an episode about Reggie Theus? Who, for those who don't know, was the person who dated Juanita Jordan, Aunt Juanita, before she and cousin Mike got married. And according to the Sam Smith book the Jordan Rules, every time Michael Jordan had to play Reggie Theus and the New Jersey Nets, he was really took it upon himself to have the game of his life and just really stick it to Reggie Theus, unfortunately.

[Pablo Torre]

I love Hang Time.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Right? Yes. Yeah, it's a great show, which.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

If you're Reggie Theus on the set of Hang Time, how are you feeling? Like, is this a moment of kinship between Scottie Pippen and Reggie Theus? If they see each other in an airport, do they just go to the airport bar and they're like, yeah, I know. I know what it's like. I know what it's like to be haunted by the past.

[Pablo Torre]

The only consolation, I suppose, that Scotty could have taken from our coverage of Larsa and Marcus Larcus, as it were, cousin Marcus, it's that they didn't seem to like the experience either. As the New York Post's Wyatt commemorated

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Larsa Pippen. Marcus Jordan, trash, miserable. Pablo Torre over podcast interview. Have no idea. He'll win a Pulitzer.

[Charlotte Wilder]

I mean, they were prescient. He is miserable.

[Pablo Torre]

It's a prison. I have decided to voluntarily lock myself inside of the Larkus story as. Yeah, me and Charlotte Wilder and Ryan Cortez, we listened to all dozen of the episodes of their old podcast.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Yeah, they're not doing it anymore.

[Pablo Torre]

Well, they are no longer together. Is the spoiler alert here?

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Sure.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Marcus, is the podcast still on there?

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, the. The empire has fallen. They broke up in 2024. The podcast was taken over by other people. Or not. I don't know. It's very. It's, it's, it's disappointing. As Larsa personally articulated on the Real Housewives of Miami last June, we went from really being in love, getting along

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

to me seeing a side of him

[Pablo Torre]

that didn't align with who I am as a person.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

When we would go out, he would

[Pablo Torre]

like to be the very last person in the club. Like, I mean, there's no one there but the janitors, you know, Plays to the whistle, I suppose.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Yeah. First in the gym. Yeah, first in the gym, first out. Like, that's. He learned. He learned from the best.

[Pablo Torre]

It is worth pointing out, I mean, that Larsa Pippen had married Scottie Pippen back in 97. They had four kids together, one of them, Scotty Pippen Jr. Speaking of the offspring of these all time characters, he's on the Grizzlies. He's a decent backup guard. He's shown a strong ability to drive to finish in traffic. Whereas Marcus Jordan, on the other hand, not quite as good at either of those things.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Come on, bro.

[Anonymous Guest/Source]

I'm Marcus Jordan.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

I'm Michael Jordan's son. I'm not doing anything wrong. I'm just trying to get home and I made a wrong turn, okay?

[Charlotte Wilder]

And clearly we would just like to

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

get our car off of the train

[Anonymous Guest/Source]

track,

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

which we were not trying to be on. I mean, I just, I'm just saying if there's six of us and we throw this thing in reverse, I've already got concerns for your level of impairment anyways, okay? So that's why. Because I can smell alcohol coming from you and you're on train tracks, okay? So come on, man, just listen to me. That's why I don't want you back behind the wheel anyways, okay? I'm fine behind the wheel. I just would like to get my car out of this. Deal with that after, after this.

[Pablo Torre]

Okay, we'll, we'll deal with that after this.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

I just want to say to any black person who's listening, it seems like if the cops ever pull you over, if you say I'm Michael Jordan's son, the level of treatment, really, they get a hell of a lot more patient than they normally would. I just maybe as a going forward, if you get pulled over by the cops, just say I'm Michael Jordan's son. And then they'll figure it out eventually, but for at least a little while, it seems like you're going to get some good customer service.

[Charlotte Wilder]

I love the hesitation from the cops. Like, you think he's telling the truth. They didn't want to chance it. So they're like, you know what? Let's err on the side of caution.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Yeah, if that works. I feel like if I get pulled over, I'm going to be like, hey, by the way, I'm Michael Jordan's cousin through marriage, I can get this off the monorail track.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Now you got to break it down for me. His Aunt Reba married my uncle. You gotta go to the whole family tree, pull it out, show it to him.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

This is Wilmington, North Carolina.

[Pablo Torre]

This Lamborghini SUV on these train tracks. I believe that all of us, all six of us, if we work together, can remove. Which is my favorite part, Marcus Jordan pitching the cops. Like, guys, we can. We can just take care of this ourselves.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Guys, this is our last dance. All right. This is our. I'm. I'm Marcus Jordan, son of Michael Jordan. You could be like. You could be the Luke Longley of this Bill Wennington. Yeah, you're definitely a Bill Wennington. Yeah. Who's gonna be my Steve Kerr? You in the back. All right, you get on that bumper and push.

[Pablo Torre]

Marcus Jordan, who said he made a wrong turn onto the train tracks, I should note here for the record, was reported to have sang the entire way to a local Orange county jail that night. Unfortunately, we could not find out what song he was singing, but that is the reporting. In March of this year, TMZ reported that he completed, to his credit, the terms of his DUI sentence, which involved, among other things, random drug testing, a written apology, and all the charges were dropped. As part of the plea deal, Marcus had pleaded not guilty to possession of ketamine, resisting an officer without violence, and dui. But through all of this, I do all of this to say that the person I keep thinking about is Scottie Pippen Senior, as stuff like that comes out. And I've actually been thinking about Scotty dating back to the pandemic, because imagine being him when the Last Dance came out.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Sure, yeah. I mean, he is kind of minimized his contribution.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Minimize would be one thing. It also very kind of callously went through his contract negotiation. His decision to sign a long term deal at the time that eventually proved to be, well, underpaid, and his unhappiness regarding that and how that kind of influenced everything else that was happening on the court. And Michael didn't seem to have a lot of empathy for him. He was like, yeah, you messed up.

[Pablo Torre]

Scotty's rhetoric over time, I think has softened. But I still think of what he wrote in his 2021 memoir, which was called Unguarded.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

The Last Dance glorified Michael Jordan while not giving nearly enough praise to me and my proud teammates. How dare Michael treat us that way after everything we did for him and his precious brand. Seeing again how poorly Michael treated his teammates, I cringed as I did back then. Michael and I aren't close and never have been.

[Pablo Torre]

That was all from the prologue.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Oh, wow. Wow.

[Pablo Torre]

That's how it started.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

I thought that was like a late chapter.

[Pablo Torre]

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[Pablo Torre]

Okay, caller one wins courtside seats to tonight's game.

[Charlotte Wilder]

What?

[Pablo Torre]

I won floor seats. You did? I've been calling for 13. Wait. Chris.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Yes.

[Pablo Torre]

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[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Congrats. You can stop calling now.

[Pablo Torre]

Not a chance. Hit any look for every occasion at Men's Wearhouse. Love the way you look. Which I think does bring us back to able Thanos and at Scotty Pippen's attempt to use social media to now do something he didn't feel he could do when the world was feeding into bull's hysteria in the pandemic, which was Bull Stereo Bullsteria. Personally profit off of that team himself.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Community, decentralization. Real world sports object. Do you like Satoshi?

[Pablo Torre]

Do you guys have any idea what Scottie Pippen is selling here?

[Charlotte Wilder]

First of all, I can now see clearly what I couldn't see clearly on his hat or his hoodie earlier. It's a dollar sign. Ball is what it says that Moneyball, perhaps, I don't know, but he's holding an NBA basketball in his hands. I'm thinking there's some sort of kind of NFT connection here between something he's talking about, community, whatever, and a real life object is obviously gay museball that he's got in his hands.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

I think it's a promo for a Tim and Eric adult swim show. That's either performance art or that's a Tim and Eric Adult Swim show. Outside of that, I have no idea. If you were to give me a thousand guesses, I'm just gonna come back with Tim and Eric.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Now, does this look more like his house from the inside?

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Eh, no. The giant speaker in the background feels like the house of a divorced 60 year old that is kind of like trying to live like he's 20 again. So okay, this could be his house. But even still, I don't know. In my head, I expect all the 90s bulls to kind of live like Bruce Wayne and not well.

[Pablo Torre]

The Last Dance, again, the setting of that, it was all like these heroically scenic backdrops, especially for obviously Michael. And yeah, this is a bit more mortality. Yeah, that looks, relatively speaking, that looks

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

like if a bunch of frat bros decided to put their apartment on Airbnb.

[Charlotte Wilder]

I love the idea that Wyatt has like Judd Buchler having like a Batcave under his house.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Yeah, Judge does. Yeah, Judd Buchler, Cliff Levingston, that guy is got his own SR71 Blackbird jet that he flies around. You don't know where Cliff Livingston is because he's in his SR71 blackbird flying around all the time.

[Pablo Torre]

Right. Scott Burrell gets home walking through a waterfall.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. They won six NBA championships. That's like the Golden State warriors, for as great as they are. The San Antonio spurs, for as great as they are, they're going to live in normal houses. You win six NBA championships, you walk through a waterfall to get into your house.

[Pablo Torre]

Well, the question of what the is this? I think is aided by the fact that artificial intelligence can be useful for personal exposition.

[Narrator/Commentator (possibly a guest or AI voice)]

This was the day the most iconic real world asset was born.

[Pablo Torre]

The 1991 NBA Finals. Tonight, game five between the Chicago Bulls and the Los Angeles Lakers.

[Narrator/Commentator (possibly a guest or AI voice)]

Scotty Pippen kept the game winning ball and never let it go. For 33 years, he guarded it closely. He was protecting the Mona Lisa of sports and he waited for the right moment to pass it back to culture. He's tokenizing the iconic ball. Imagine being there when Nike or Amazon was just an idea. Well, Scotty is now passing the ball to community and building the number one sports brand in Web3.

[Pablo Torre]

Duh.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

It still feels like a Tim and Eric show. I don't know if Adult Swim is looking for any new programming, but whatever Scottie Pippen is doing right now, I feel like they should take a meeting because if that came on at 12:15 in the morning, a lot of stone people would be wholly into it and would watch Multiple seasons.

[Charlotte Wilder]

I'm just impressed by all the archival footage. They had him at his computer, like when he was 32 years old or whatever.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Yeah, when he had enough money to probably go to Kinko's and just get a poster that said printed out that said dollar sign ball. But no, he couldn't wait. He just went and got some spray paint and spray painted it in his house, which, yeah, again, you're supposed to be living like Bruce Wayne. You're not spray painting things on the walls.

[Pablo Torre]

It turns out that the thing that Scotty Pippen has kept in his personal vault this entire time is in fact the basketball from the Bulls very first title clinching game, game 5 of the 91 finals. Not the last dance though, but the first stance. And so he's now tokenizing it. He turned the game five ball into this crypto Web three product, which is, in other words, like a meme coin. He launched it in August 2024 ahead of every single Scottie Pippen post we've shown thus far. And the ball, yes, it's the thing he was advertising on his cap in that video at the conference. It's the thing that was on his hoodie and the gold frame. It's the thing that has assured everybody, this is really me and this is really worth it. And if you continue to have questions about how a physical basketball can be the basis of a meme coin, I do. And even more Generally, what is Web3? I would like to introduce another member of the Scottie Pippen cinematic universe. Because this is a talking AI generated basketball that loves making extremely organic comparisons to the 1991 Chicago Bulls.

[Narrator/Commentator (possibly a guest or AI voice)]

Shout out to women creators flipping the script with Web3 turning financial hurdles into straight fire opportun. No gatekeepers in sight. It's like the 1991 Chicago Bull. Shattering dynasties. Pure dominance and empowerment debate. Is Web3's revolution bigger than how free agency changed sports forever? What's your hot take?

[Charlotte Wilder]

That voice you heard was a massive basketball with sunglasses on and a crown in a locker room that has names like Lorden.

[Pablo Torre]

Can we zoom in on. Yeah, there it is.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Yep. Michael Lorden, one of the greatest players of all time.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Is it weird that the basketball has a crown? And then there's also Stacy King. Is this basketball supposed to. Did Stacy King get turned into a basketball? Like, is that. Is that what this is? Scottie Pippen is pitching a movie where Stacy King gets turned into a basketball. And that's the secret to the Bulls success is that their own teammate is the basketball. And so he Keeps going into the basket for his teammates because that's what a good teammate does. Okay, that's what this is. I'm all for this weird, like, in the spirit of, like, Juana man. And those movies, A movie where, yeah, a basketball player gets turned into a

[Charlotte Wilder]

cool basketball and then it has dollar sign ball printed on it. Now, is that the print of a basketball or is that a tattoo? If it is a tattoo, is that the chin? Is that the chest? The neck area? A lot of questions with this, this nightmare. For anyone who's taken an edible before

[Pablo Torre]

recording a podcast, there are dozens upon dozens upon dozens of game five ball videos like this. Far too many to play here. I should note, though, that I come to praise the ball because the ball, not totally unlike this podcast, also fancies itself a watchdog of integrity and also a big fan of good segues. What?

[Narrator/Commentator (possibly a guest or AI voice)]

It's deeply troubling to learn how cryptocurrency is being exploited for military purposes, highlighting the unintended consequences of technology in real world conflicts. This underscores the need for ethical innovation. On a lighter note, let's shift to something unifying, like elite sports debates. Every fan knows who's the ultimate comeback king in the NBA. Michael Jordan's 91 Bulls or LeBron's 2016 Cavaliers. Share your thoughts. Respectfully.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Okay, now the ball has a crown, a different pair of sunglasses, some white frame sunglasses, a cape.

[Pablo Torre]

You said you wanted everyone to be a Batman character.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

The cape is flowing in a bat like fashion.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Okay, all right, I gotta ask the question. Is it a cape in the same way that Batman and Superman wear a cape? Or is the ball, in fact wearing a do rag and this is the cape of the durag flowing behind it regally, majestically.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

I mean, and if the.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Does the ball have waves? Is that where the, like the. The tracks of the, you know, the channels in a basketball, are they created from the ball wearing a durag at night and brushing its hair, religiously putting product in there?

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

I mean, now that you say it, it does feel like that. Because also, even the way that the conversation started, that does feel a little bit like barbershop conspiratorial. Like the guy who shows up into a barbershop with a full wave cap but never actually gets his hair cut and then transitions.

[Pablo Torre]

True to, I think the platonic barbershop to basically wanting to do first take.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Here's my conspiracy theory. Anyway, let's talk about. Is it Jordan or LeBron who you got

[Charlotte Wilder]

Respectfully, Respectfully.

[Pablo Torre]

Respectfully.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

But also the weird part of it. Knowing that Scottie Pippen is involved in this, and knowing his dynamic with Uncle Mike, there is a part of me where that isn't just Michael Jordan's 91 bulls.

[Pablo Torre]

I also think that all of this points to maybe an Occam's Razor explanation, which is where I started, which is maybe Scotty Pippen's not running this account. But but in fairness, in fairness, as we continue to assemble evidence here, I should point out that the anti corruption perspective expressed in the first third of that video by the Talking Ball was additionally interesting to me because when the dollar sign Ball meme coin was launched on the Ethereum platform basically as a stock that people could buy into this was August of 2024, there was certain backlash as the outlet Bitcoinist observed. A Twitter user and blockchain sleuth named Ackxbt noticed the developer wallet that created the token contract dumped about $330,000 of the supply almost immediately after launch. This is otherwise known in the world of crypto as allegedly a rug pull. And in this diagram, which was provided by that Twitter user ackxbt, you sort of see his tracking of the flows of of of crypto also.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

$330,000, you said $330,000. So Pippin's jersey number.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Oh,

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

33.

[Pablo Torre]

But if you zoom in on the diagram, you can also see a particular connection. He highlighted a connection he made to an abandoned project called Lil Hippo. Lil Hippo. In case you were wondering, a great.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

A great rapper gone too soon. Lil Hippo not Soundcloud rapper Lil Hippo

[Pablo Torre]

not nearly dissimilar enough from what it actually was, which was a series of cartoon hippos, kind of like bored apes, but for hip hop Hippos.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Wow.

[Pablo Torre]

It launched 2022.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Wow.

[Pablo Torre]

The website no longer works. The Instagram account has been abandoned, but is still alive for us to evaluate.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Wow. That first one there graduated. Congratulations.

[Pablo Torre]

The question that I'm left with, though, as we connect these dots ourselves and analyze the world of crypto art projects.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

Is whether the voice Amin, the voice of the game five Ball we've been listening to during this episode sounds at all familiar.

[Narrator/Commentator (possibly a guest or AI voice)]

It's disheartening to see the impact of allegations like those against Ben Pasternak in the crypto space, affecting investors and raising questions about trust. This echoes the need for integrity, much like in elite sports, where fair play defines legends. On a lighter note for sports fans, what's your pick for the greatest NBA comeback ever? Like the 1997 Bulls resilience against the Jazz.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Is that Terrence Howard?

[Charlotte Wilder]

It's not Terrence Howard. It didn't say Maine, not one time in that speech. So it's not Terrence Howard. I'm sorry, I can't get past. Every speech starts with something massive and real world, and then just casually does it.

[Narrator/Commentator (possibly a guest or AI voice)]

Yeah.

[Charlotte Wilder]

So like those 97 bulls. That was pretty cool, too, right? Also, the way the sunglasses are positioned on the ball in this one with the channels moving downward, it indicates the ball's pretty pissed right here.

[Pablo Torre]

I gotta say, I had the luxury, of course, of spending hours of my life thinking about, where have I heard this voice before? And then I realized that I had seen it in a video years ago. That also takes us back to the pandemic and the phenomenon of the Last Dance.

[Narrator/Commentator (possibly a guest or AI voice)]

Over here, man. Over here. Watching this. The Last Dance with Scottie Pippen. Man, I'm watching Scotty with Scotty. Another level on Cavaliers.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

A lot.

[Narrator/Commentator (possibly a guest or AI voice)]

And I used to watch John Pax.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Now, just going back to what I was saying about how all the Bulls players should be living like Bruce Wayne. Tyrese is a man who built a Benihana in his backyard. A recreation of a Benihana in his backyard. He has not won a single NBA championship, and he was able to do that. You win six, your backyard should look like the. The Vegas strip.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Counterpoint, Transformers. Fast and the Furious.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Oh, no, no, no. Tyrese once said that he felt the Fast and Furious movies deserve an Oscar. And where I will grant him something is those movies. They are so successful in a way that they do deserve some recognition with a diverse group of people. One of the biggest movie franchises in an industry where people said, no, no, you have to have white stars for everything. They said that and built this giant franchise. It is worth acknowledgment of some kind. Maybe not an Oscar, but maybe like a Cable Ace Award.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Forget about a cuz.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Ludicrous Went to the Moon.

[Pablo Torre]

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[Pablo Torre]

In our effort to fulfill the request of cable thanos and find out who is behind Scottie Pippen's weird social team, our investigation has now brought us to the human inspiration for the AI generated voice of a talking basketball actor and R B singer Tyrese Gibson, who really was watching the Last Dance, the highly enjoyable docu series that Scottie Pippen apparently hated. With Scottie Pippen and the aforementioned Scottie Pippen Jr. At Gibsiehanna, which is what he called the Benihana that he built inside of his yard and the Gibsonhana at Tyrese's house in Woodland Hills in Southern California. Unfortunately, the property has been sold. Oh, I know. But I did speak to two people who were lucky enough to visit and eat at Gibsona with Tyrese himself, and one of them agreed to go on tape with Pablo. Torre finds out for the very first time on the condition of anonymity.

[Anonymous Guest/Source]

I mean, it's insane. You. You have to go through his house, which has a life sized bumblebee from the movie Transformers. Obviously, that's the foyer. You go through that into his backyard, past the mini Starbucks, and then you get to this small bungalow that Gibsona's in.

[Pablo Torre]

And Gibsona, for the record, had a fully functioning Teppanyaki grill because its eponymous host would accept nothing less.

[Anonymous Guest/Source]

Here's the one thing about this house that you have to understand. It's a big house, but the plot's not that big. So you're next to other houses, like on his block, and he just lives on, like, a block. There's a literal club.

[Pablo Torre]

Wait a minute. I need to know about the club.

[Anonymous Guest/Source]

I mean, the club is obviously Club Voltron. It has both a main area and then also a VIP section with a table, which the lid you remove and it turns into a hot tub. And then above the club is the combo barbershop nail salon.

[Pablo Torre]

Who is working here?

[Anonymous Guest/Source]

Are you talking about Chef Oscar? His recruited chef from an actual Benihana, who is both chef dj and also great at both.

[Pablo Torre]

What is Chef Oscar? Does he do. Does he do the onion volcano? Does he do the move?

[Anonymous Guest/Source]

Yeah, he does everything. He's throwing shrimp into people's mouths and, like, you know, he's really doing the whole thing.

[Pablo Torre]

So you're saying that this is a true replication of an actual Benihana?

[Anonymous Guest/Source]

I mean, I would push you as far as, say it's an improvement on a Benihana. It's a private Benihana experience with food that is as good, if not better, than a regular Benihana.

[Pablo Torre]

And also, it's at Tyrese's house.

[Anonymous Guest/Source]

Yeah, and right next to Club Ultron. Not enough restaurants have a Club Voltron, and that's a problem.

[Pablo Torre]

But while I was scrolling through Tyrese's many, many social media posts, I noticed something even more eye catching than Club Voltron. I noticed that Tyrese was not simply promoting Scottie Pippen's dollar sign ball meme coin, which he was. Tyrese was also promoting a related and instrumental character in the whole Scottie Pippen cinematic universe. An apparently Key partner and friend to both Tyrese and Scotty named Kiarish Behane, whose job is to explain how a physical basketball that Scottie Pippen saved from the clinching game five that won the dynastic Chicago Bulls, their very first championship in 1991, is also the future. And I only know this because I stopped when Tyrese seemingly made a point to include a photo with a Forbes logo plastered over it underneath the headline, Social media's secret weapon. And in the caption, Wyatt Tyrese writes this.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Entrepreneur, creative director, strategist, viral marketer, founder, father. Billboard hits, Number one albums. Fast and the Furious, Jeff Bezos, jay Z. Top TV shows, blockchain, AI quiet power. 10 billion viral hits and counting. That was. I added the air horn for effect.

[Charlotte Wilder]

This is John Ralphio, right? Just random buzzword. What's cool right now. AI Blockchain, Jay Z, Jeff Bezos.

[Pablo Torre]

One quick side note about the viral hits, the 10 billion of them, he showcases viral hits like this.

[Anonymous Guest/Source]

All right, my brothers and sisters, let

[Pablo Torre]

me set this right here.

[Anonymous Guest/Source]

Now we're going to learn that I

[Pablo Torre]

had a dream dance.

[Anonymous Guest/Source]

First step, point that thing up.

[Pablo Torre]

Let them know you said, see a higher vision.

[Anonymous Guest/Source]

Step it forward, slide.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Now I'm miserable.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Oh, wow. So that was. Yeah, that was AI mlk.

[Narrator/Commentator (possibly a guest or AI voice)]

Yep.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Teaching a TikTok dance called the I have a dream dance. Which, sure, if someone wanted to make a sketch about what it would be like to try to advance the cause of civil rights in the intersection of social media, I could see that as some sketch on a sketch show. But to just pass it off as some weird, like AI look at me being. Being funny without any context or really any. Anything clever other than here's my premise.

[Pablo Torre]

They cut it off before the dance.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Cause it couldn't figure that part out. It was all premise. It was all just. It was all just the dream of like, ah, hey, what if. What if MLK was around today and he had to do TikTok dances? I don't know why I was doing a Bill Cosby impression. Hey there. What if. What if?

[Charlotte Wilder]

And Eddie Dr. King. No, I'm curious. This is the part I'm really curious about. Dumb concept for a video. Was the dumb concept itself created by AI as well?

[Pablo Torre]

This brings us to the question of agency, which I think is actually central to the entire episode we've been doing here, I think. But Tyrese's caption about his good friend Kirash Behane Wyatt, it does continue.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Now he's innovating sports with game five ball and still moving like a Silent assassin in digital culture, finance and tech. Most people never get flowers while they can still smell them. So I'm giving them to him now. He's one of one.

[Charlotte Wilder]

That's AI. That statement right there. 100% that's AI. I can tell by the rhythms.

[Pablo Torre]

Well, look, if you're wondering about the, you know, again, was all of this fake? The Jeff Bezos, the Jay Z, the shout outs, it turns out that when you do go to the Ball Foundation's website, because this is also, according to their website, a foundation.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Oh, that's good.

[Pablo Torre]

You not only see that Scotty Bibbin's friend Kiara Spahane is indeed listed as a CEO and co founder. You also see photos of him with Jeff Bezos.

[Charlotte Wilder]

The point. Yeah, he's exactly who you think it is. Yeah, that's what the point is.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

And that is Jeff Bezos before the Muscle Milk.

[Pablo Torre]

And also here he is with Jay Z now.

[Charlotte Wilder]

He's pointing at us.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, he's pointing at us for doubting him.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Yeah. Also, I didn't realize Jay Z's so tall for scale.

[Pablo Torre]

Maybe this will help. It's a photo of Scottie Pippen and the previous gentleman from the conference, Michael Saylor, both sitting down as over on the left side, Kiara Spahane is standing there wearing a cap, a matching cap, much like the one Scottie Pippen is wearing on his head with dollar sign

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

ball Intrigue you guys and educate you

[Anonymous Guest/Source]

guys a little bit about what's going

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

on in the crypto world.

[Narrator/Commentator (possibly a guest or AI voice)]

Yes, sir, Mr. Pippen. Thank you, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, when Scotty told me about the game five ball, at the time it was one of his most prized possessions, along with his six rings, his two Olympic gold medals. But when I seen this basketball, I seen culture, I seen sports history, I seen us an opportunity for us to be a part of innovation, the future. And I presented an idea to Mr. Pippen. The idea is simple. You take a basketball, you break it into a billion pieces and you allow fans in the world to build a project with you like they did the various projects. You hear about Bitcoin, Dogecoin, etc. But this is a different project. We're building the new Nike, the new business as an example. We're using Nike, of course, but the new world is becoming tokenized. And with this basketball, it's interesting because Forbes recently did a a feature on ball and they put the energy out there that there's a man on planet Earth by the name of Scotty Pippen who is taking culture and allowing for the world to turn it into currency.

[Pablo Torre]

The reference to Forbes that they made. By the way, I should point out that Forbes is not the publication that I want to draw your attention to next, because, Wyatt, I need us to turn actually to us Weekly from February 2022 and this headline how rundown media

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

CEO Kirash Behane is Changing Hollywood and the Metaverse with his new NFT exclusive

[Pablo Torre]

and the story continues.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Kirash Bahain, CEO of Rundown Media, recently announced the launch of Lil Hippo, which he describes as a dope collection of 10,000 Lil Hippo NFTs that is helping the next generation enter the Metaverse. However, what sets Behin apart from his A list friends also engaging in cryptocurrency is that Lil Hippo is meant to reach a younger demographic, introducing the concept of crypto to Gen Z and so on.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Who wrote this?

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

I love that.

[Pablo Torre]

And so on is in the article.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Yeah, you know, and the other generations, should we get there? I don't know, maybe you get the drift. Yeah, maybe we'll be trapped in a forever war and we'll be done and so on.

[Anonymous Guest/Source]

Yeah.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

And so on.

[Pablo Torre]

And so at this point, I mean with at Zach XBT's diagram featuring Lil Hippo NFT in mind, I of course needed to connect with kiarash Behane on LinkedIn where I asked him three questions in particular in the service of cable Thanos. Question number one, are you behind Scottie Pippen's viral social media content? To which Kiarish Behane replied, quote, I

[Charlotte Wilder]

work closely with Scotty on strategy and digital direction, but he is very hands on and deeply involved in what is being built and communicated.

[Pablo Torre]

Number two, would Scottie Pippen and or Tyrese Gibson be interested in an interview with me?

[Charlotte Wilder]

Scotty and Tyrese are not doing interviews at this time.

[Pablo Torre]

Number three, there has been previously reported backlash around the Dollar Ball developer wallet selling about $330,000 worth of the supply almost immediately after launch in 2024. Do you have any comment on the

[Charlotte Wilder]

Dollar Sign Ball launch? There was malicious trading activity including quote snipers unquote around the deployer wallet at launch. The project was then paused and capital was redeployed back into the project, including additional liquidity and ongoing development. We have published an on chain launch report so the activity can be reviewed and verified directly here.

[Pablo Torre]

At which point, Wyatt, this is where I direct you to the folder in front of you.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Oh, all right.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Oh, folder time.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, in which there is a document that I printed out for you. It came via Google Drive link from Kiara Spahane. Could you please describe page one.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

All right.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Savor this moment. Wyatt.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Yeah, I. Yeah, I opened it too fast. Wow. Okay. Game five Ball. For the first time ever, we are tokenizing history with history. And then there's an X account link.

[Pablo Torre]

And I should say that I'm no crypto expert here, but the document then goes on to describe how, quote, the project encountered aggressive attacks, including impersonation, phishing and sniping, leading to a decision to, quote, protect liquidity amidst attacks by transferring approximately $330,000 to Developer Wallet to, quote, safeguard funds.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

I am loosing page two from the paperclip. Ooh, that's smooth. So there's a transparency and trust section which says, we invite our community to verify all transactions through the provided contract and deployer addresses. This transparency underscores our commitment to building trust and protecting our community and then moving forward. We are excited about the next steps and encouraged by our community's dedication to making Dollar Sign Ball a leading RWA for sports success in crypto. The community will take a vote on burning tokens and take steps to begin phase two of the ball project and continue to add liquidity and LP tokens. We're also responding to all the companies and organizations interested that have reached out for potential partnerships and collaborations in sports, tech, gaming, venture capital, and who understand the value of a championship ball played by legendary basketball players. We acknowledge that no launch is perfect and commit to continuous improvement. Building trust is an ongoing journey and we appreciate your support.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Maybe I'm just an old fashioned kind of guy, or maybe I'm an idiot, but I didn't understand a single thing that was said there. It just sounds like gibberish.

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

Yeah, I mean, the last sentence feels like one of those things. That is, if our actions offended anyone, please know that was not our intent. We acknowledge that. No, like that. It feels like some weird, like, PR apology. Non apology.

[Pablo Torre]

Well, for the record, I was also a bit confused and I further reached out to Scottie Pippen and Tyrese Gibson directly. Neither of them granted an interview to Pablo Torre finds out. But I do think there is one voice that might provide some clarity at the end here.

[Narrator/Commentator (possibly a guest or AI voice)]

It's alarming to see how AI is being misused for scams, leaving people feeling vulnerable and outsmarted. Much like how a rigged game can shatter the trust in sports we all hold dear. Just think about the integrity of legends like Michael Jordan's 1991 bulls. One fake move could tarnish that legacy forever. Let's discuss how can we protect what's real in both tech and sports to keep the playing field fair for everyone

[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

and so on.

[Pablo Torre]

This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media production, and I'll talk to you next time. Okay, Caller one wins courtside seats to tonight's game.

[Charlotte Wilder]

What?

[Pablo Torre]

I won floor seats. You did? I've been calling for 13 months. Wait. Chris.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Yes.

[Pablo Torre]

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[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

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[Pablo Torre]

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[Wyatt (likely Wyatt Cenac)]

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[Pablo Torre]

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[Charlotte Wilder]

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[Pablo Torre]

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[Charlotte Wilder]

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[Pablo Torre]

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