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Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. And today we're gonna find out what this sound is.
Timothy Simons
That was where. Oh, that little bit of competitiveness was in there. Like this is bull. It's the electric slide. And now you're against me right after this ad.
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Timothy Simons
This is Celebrity Jeopardy All Star introducing tonight's celebrity players. You know him from the very popular shows Beep and Netflix's Nobody Wants this. It's actor and comedian Timothy Simon,
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
a
Timothy Simons
comedian you know from his years with Conan o' Brien and most recently as a star on Dancing with the Stars. Say hello to Andy Richter. And she's a journalist, podcaster, and NFL analyst at espn. Please welcome Mina Hines.
Pablo Torre
And I was delighted to see you guys interact in front of a national audience as Mina's competitiveness, as always, surged almost immediately to the fore.
Mina Kimes
I felt like I played it really cool in this episode. On the Mina Kyme scale of not playing it cool. No. Okay, maybe not.
Timothy Simons
I'm not going to shade Mina for getting competitive because I also do get like a little competitive in these things. Like, I'm not. I want to get competitive enough that it won't ruin anybody's day, but it's more fun if we take it seriously.
Mina Kimes
When did you find out who the competition was? This is. This is already going to reveal that I am more competitive and I'm pretending I'm trying to be cool and I'm not. But when did you find out it was me and Andy?
Timothy Simons
Maybe a week before. I will say Mina, and this is a compliment to you. I saw that and I was like, well, not that I don't think Andy Richter is going to be a threat, but when I saw that you were on there, I was like, okay, well, I'll be making the minimum amount for my charity.
Mina Kimes
Okay, so this is where the overly competitive part comes in. Okay, so we're all talking, we're chit chatting before I see Tim. Like, Tim, so good to see you, buddy. You know, how you feeling? Meet your kids. I see Andy and Andy, who I'm meeting for the first time, lovely person, like, as warm as he seems in real life, immediately reveals that he has been up since the crack of dawn because he's also doing. He talked about this during the show Dancing with the Stars, which is like a four hour practice.
Pablo Torre
He's the Bo Jackson of celebrity Game shows.
Timothy Simons
Yeah.
Mina Kimes
He says this to me and I'm like, yeah, he's playing hurt. I, the, the, the devil in my shoulder just wakes up and is like, you got an advantage. And I, I'm not. I'm ashamed to admit it, but that was my thought process and watching it back, you could tell he was a little tired.
Timothy Simons
Yeah.
Pablo Torre
Wow. Okay. Well, here's the thing, though, is that when the game gets going, I will say neither of you seem particularly strong. To start.
Mina Kimes
I'll start with 21st century bookshelf for 400.
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
Barbara Kingsolver's award winning demon Copperhead is similar to the demon Copperhead both in theme and in title. Mina.
Pablo Torre
Yeah.
Mina Kimes
What is Oliver Twist?
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
No, Andy. David Copperfield. That's right. Let's go to non Coastal America for 300. The mayor of this city where Breaking Bad was set uses Tamalewood for its burgeoning film and TV industry.
Timothy Simons
Timothy, what is. Oh, Lord. Albuquerque.
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
Oh, too much time. Mina.
Mina Kimes
What is Albuquerque?
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
It was Tim. Just barely missed it. Time ran out for you.
Timothy Simons
Oh, stolen valor.
Mina Kimes
Yes, it does mean. I know.
Pablo Torre
Oh, God.
Timothy Simons
I feel like you got to get the bad one out of the way early. Like, I've shot now before. And, you know, you get in your head about the button because, like, I knew the demon Copperhead answer. I knew, like, the David Copper feel. Like, I know that. And you're in your head about button timing and. And then you have them and you're just. Your mind goes blank. So I feel like I had a bad one early on. The first time that I did it, and it was like, all right, we got a long game. We can recover.
Mina Kimes
You ever seen the Colts? That famous trick punt where it's like four guys lined? It's like the worst trick play of all time.
Timothy Simons
He'll snap it. Actually, Colt Anderson is behind him and
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
what in the world.
Mina Kimes
And like, you're watching on him, you're thinking like, you idiots. Who in your right mind, like, would ever have thought this? But I'm sure some guy in the moment, you know, when they were planning it, thought this might work. And like, when you're watching it at home, everything is so obvious, so crystal clear.
Timothy Simons
Yes.
Mina Kimes
But, like, when you're up there, I don't know what happens. It's something, the combination of, like, the music and the lights and the timing, your brain doesn't work the way it normally does. Tim.
Timothy Simons
And it's something that, like, actors sort of tell each other to make themselves feel better in audition rooms when they, like, completely blow an audition which is the moment somebody aims a camera at you, you become 30% dumber than you were the moment before. And that. And that is 100% what is happening here. Like, it is true. Like, I would, like, run commercial casting sessions out here, and there was, like, a story about, like, a guy that came in, and I was like, hey, just show me your profiles. Which literally just means turn your head to both sides. And he was like, oh, I'm so sorry. I didn't bring them. Because you just are dumber when cameras are on you. It's impossible for your body to not just, like, cut off 30% of your brain.
Pablo Torre
I'm glad that Mina brings up the sports stuff here because insofar as the questions are, yes, seemingly easier than in normal Jeopardy. I enjoyed that it took so long for Mina to break the seal on sports after what was a relatively slow start.
Mina Kimes
Let's do Sports history.
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
For $400 in a 2024 Bills 49ers game, he became the first ever NFL QB with passing, rushing, and and receiving touchdowns in a single game.
Mina Kimes
Mina, who is Josh Allen?
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
We got a sports clue for you. NFL, even. That's correct. And it ties you with Andy for the lead. And it brings us to our first break. Celebrity Jeopardy All Stars will continue after that.
Pablo Torre
I mean, Mina, you could not have been proud of that.
Mina Kimes
I was really hoping there'd be no sports categories because it would be so shameful for me to miss a sports question. But then I remembered that on Jeopardy. Sports is the easiest category every time.
Timothy Simons
So I don't know if there's, like, a sports analogy for this or. Or, like, you know, somebody who can't, like, assumes they're gonna, like, waltz in and get drafted high, and then they have, like, a really bad combine. I, like, I think I came in cocky about my button timing because I was pretty good with it the last time. So I was like, I don't even have to worry about that.
Pablo Torre
You're Shadora Sanders. That's the comparison that you've drawn, probably.
Timothy Simons
So I'm the Shador Sanders of Celebrity Jeopardy. All Stars. Just like, I got this locked and it was not there.
Pablo Torre
I do want to point out I was watching, as I often do when I'm grinding tape of Celebrity Jeopardy. That my friends are on. And there's another sports category question that if you just watch Mina as Tim answers the question, you get a sense of a level of intensity that I think is worth acknowledging here.
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
Claiming to be the first college athlete to sell these three part rights in 2021. Antwan Owens of Jackson State signed with Three Kings. Grooming Timothy. What?
Timothy Simons
His name image isn't like this.
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
Yes.
Mina Kimes
I don't think that's even the worst one. Oh, wow.
Pablo Torre
Push in on that.
Mina Kimes
I just get so mad. You get so mad at it. So for those who don't know, you get the way the buzzer and Jeopardy. Works. And again, because it's celebrity Jeopardy and we know most. They're easier, the buzzer is even more important. Right. You get locked out if you come in too early. But of course, you also want to beat everyone. So it's like the buzzer is really quietly the most important part of the game. So I was really trying to stay calm, which is insane when you watch it back and see how uncalm I was the entire time about it. But it is infuriating in Celebrity Jeopardy. Because the questions being easier.
Timothy Simons
There is the thing that, like, they tell you that it is based off when the light goes off, and when the light. The light that's around the board is also based off of the moment that he finishes the last syllable of the clue. Yeah, I wonder if we can get our button timing reports. Like, the F1 drivers get their. Like, you know, their. Like throttle and brake, like, interval times.
Pablo Torre
You want button analytics?
Timothy Simons
I want button analytics.
Mina Kimes
You can ask them in the show how you're like, am I coming in too early? Am I coming in too late? And if I. And there was one thing. If I had to give people a piece of advice because I did have a decent buzz in this game, you have to. And this is the most important thing,
Pablo Torre
as evidenced by the phrase that she naturally uses now. Having a decent buzz,
Mina Kimes
you gotta figure out what works for you. And once you realize it, you have to just be like a metronome. So I recognized in my last run and I carried that over to this one, that the lights meant nothing to me. And I was buzzing entirely based on Ken's voice going up at the end. So I wasn't even looking at the lights, purely listening to the voice. And I thought I was coming in early, but I was coming in late, so I started going a little earlier, and then I was buzzing correctly. So from that point on, I was like, always go in earlier than you're comfortable with intuitively, and. And do it off of his voice. So it really. You have to, like, pay attention within the show to what's working and then stay in that rhythm. That was the thing that I remember.
Pablo Torre
This is like listening to a quarterback and a center describe, like, a cadence For a snap count.
Timothy Simons
Can I also tell you, if you, if you zoom in on me, I'm kind of doing a two hand grip so that I can loosen up so that like most of the weight is in my left hand so there's no tension in my right hand for the button. But when that stops working, I kind of shift it around a little bit and this goes back to like my golf knowledge. Do you remember when Norman collapsed in the masters in like 1996? He like lost like a five stroke or four stroke lead on Sunday.
Pablo Torre
Greg Norman, the shark.
Timothy Simons
Yeah. So I was listening to a podcast about that Masters and somebody was saying like, like a golf reporter was like, he lost that tournament before he even started. It didn't matter how far ahead he was. It was. He was with his grip on Thursday and he was playing well and he was getting through it. But as soon as you get to the pressure on Sunday, the lack of confidence in your grip, that's what. And they were like, he didn't lose it on Sunday, he lost it on Wednesday.
Mina Kimes
Yeah.
Timothy Simons
That's where I felt like I was like, as soon as it started going wrong, I was like, oh, is. Is the two hand method not the right method? And then I tried to go away from that and that didn't work. So then you go back to the two hand method.
Pablo Torre
So I was shocked, but ultimately unsurprised to discover the vibrant like subreddit and Internet forum community around Jeopardy. And Jeopardy. Strategy. Tim, have you like delved into that at all?
Timothy Simons
I haven't. And the moment before the show that Mina told me she had, I knew I had made a terrible mistake by not doing that one more little.
Mina Kimes
I don't know how you. What you're. You had. You said you did the wrist strategy. Some people do behind the back. Some people do. I don't know if you did a behind the back. Yeah, that's the thing people do. Did you do 45 degree thumb? Because I also realized again, just noticing in game when I had it at a 45 degree, almost like halfway pressing, that it was working for me. I just, to me, to your point about the golfing, you just have to be a metronome. You have to stick with what works and don't deviate from that. Holding it, thumb timing. Just stay with it. Because the second you deviate from it is when you start losing.
Pablo Torre
I want to point out here that one of the hallmarks of someone who's struggling at golf or at Jeopardy. Is complaining. And Tim brought a grievance that I was completely unfamiliar with.
Timothy Simons
So when I was on last time, I only missed winning by $100. And there was a category that was like a rhyme category where you had to put two words together. It was like famous physicist from Oslo and. And a part of the skin.
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
Danish physicist. Niels's small openings in skin.
Timothy Simons
And I was like, oh, Niels bore and poor because it was going to be possessive. I said, boar's poor, Tim. What is boar's poor?
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
I'm afraid not. Lisa Ann, what is Bohr's pores? Yeah, it's got a rhyme, Tim. I'm sorry. We're strict about the rhyme scientists.
Jamie
Rhyme time, 900, please.
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
Him staring down the judges.
Timothy Simons
So apparently, by Jeopardy. Rules, if the first word is plural, the second word has to be plural. And I was furious. And then it just became like we had, like, you know, a bunch of people over to house over the house to watch it. And it became a running joke in our group, in our group of friends in the neighborhood, including that, like, there was like, a white elephant party around Christmas that year. Somebody had gotten. Had made a tote bag with Boar's poor on, like, it had become that big of a thing. And I just. In these circumstances, I like being competitive and I like taking them seriously, But I just don't think you should ever miss an opportunity for a bit.
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
I'm told you have something you want to get off your chest here today.
Timothy Simons
Yes, I have written a brief statement.
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
Okay, go ahead.
Timothy Simons
A few years ago, I was on the losing side of an egregious judges call about the nature of rhyme. I responded with Bohr's poor, and it was ruled incorrect because it was not plural. I didn't then and still do not agree with this decision. But after discussions with my attorney, spiritual guides, and multiple therapists, I have decided to move past the white hot rage that burned inside of me and return to celebrity Jeopardy, where I hope to perform with integrity and professionalism, and I hope that the rest of us can do the same.
Mina Kimes
The statement was very funny, by the way. And you told us you asked them beforehand. After Andy did his reveal. Here was my thought process. Andy's like, I've been up since the crack of dawn. And I'm like, oh, man. And then, you know, my demo brain's like. And then Tim's like, I'm gonna do a statement. And I'm like, that's gonna be really funny. And my devil brain's like, he's doing bitch. I don't even know. It's like a little make it like a little Peyton Manning head that, like, I just, like, just. Yeah. Wants to win at all costs.
Timothy Simons
Pablo, is this something. Having known Mina for a while, is this something that I didn't know about going in?
Pablo Torre
Is this a famous number one thing? It's the number so people will ask me on the street, what's Mina? Is she really like what she is on television? And I'm like, you have to imagine that. But also quietly, like Patrick Bateman of game shows.
Mina Kimes
I just don't like losing sociopathically.
Pablo Torre
Cut your head off, but leave the suit completely clean of blood. Somehow people are still not clued in that Mina Kimes is the most competitive person possibly in America.
Timothy Simons
Can I ask you, do you know what this traces back to and does it apply to everything or does it just apply to, like, game shows like this?
Mina Kimes
To give you a anecdote from my childhood that might explain things, allow me
Pablo Torre
to answer the question. For Mina, the answer is yes and yes.
Mina Kimes
My dad didn't let me win in board games when I was like, as a parent of a young child, I now see how hilarious that is. And it made me the psycho I am today. I also did like geography bees and spelling bees, and he would study with me for them. Like, my dad was in the military and. Yeah. Anyway, so I think it was kind of instilled in me at a young age.
Pablo Torre
She was doing the Tiger Woods Navy SEAL drills, but for games, nice. By the way, not letting your kid win when they're four. As the. As the father of a daughter of a six year old, the number of games that I've tanked just to maintain peace in my household. Tim, what is your. What is your approach to games with your kids on that. On that level?
Timothy Simons
Feel like I might lean more a little bit toward Mina's dad in this because definitely when I was playing games with the kids, I was like, these guys aren't following the rules. Like, why. Why are we playing the game? Why are we playing the game if we're not even gonna follow the rules?
Mina Kimes
When they were young, though, or.
Timothy Simons
Yeah, when they were young, and I think I had read in a book somewhere that ultimately if your child tries something and doesn't succeed and you say, good job, the cognitive dissonance of that is actually not great for them to be. Because they can see what their eyes saw. And if so, if they, like throw up, if they have like a little model airplane or whatever and you. They throw it, or they try to throw a Frisbee and it goes straight into the ground. And you're like, good job. It's like, well, they're like, but I didn't. I know what a Frisbee is supposed to do and it didn't happen. Why are you telling me? And so I took that and ran with that. With like, sorry. And all of the, like, kid board games.
Mina Kimes
Here's how you know that worked, because my husband was sitting in the front row next to Tim's kids.
Timothy Simons
Oh, this made me really happy.
Mina Kimes
And afterwards Nick told me that they were living and dying. Like, every correct answer Tim had, they were like, you got this, dad. And as the show went on and I was stomping him, they were so upset, according to Nick. And they were like, no. Like, they were so invested in their dad's success.
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Pablo Torre
So now the question becomes how would both of your parents, sets of parents, how would they feel after they saw this?
Mina Kimes
Let's do know your mnemonics for why are you only showing the stuff I was bad at?
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
You can say that anyway you want.
Timothy Simons
Can I do know your mnemonics for 400 please?
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
Astrologically in a tense gray cat lay very low, Sneaking slowly, contemplating a pounce. Sneaking slowly means these two. What are the two S's of the Zodiac? Sagittarius and Scorpio. Back to you, tim.
Timothy Simons
No, you're for 200. Can I tell you when I was watching this last night and he said know you're mnemonics, I was like, I know how to pronounce that. I was so confident sitting on the couch, I had no memory of the fact that, that I just had an aneurysm on that word shooting the show.
Mina Kimes
Those are the ones that are jeopardy for me are the hardest ones where it's not just like a fact. You know, you have to like do some sort of mental calculus while you're. Because of the time and the pressure and the way your brain works. It just doesn't add up.
Pablo Torre
The game Clock moving faster than you realize is another thing I think that's shared across television into sports versus real life. And one other example of this was when this question came up.
Mina Kimes
Let's do meet the planets for 800.
Timothy Simons
I hear you.
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
This seventh planet is named for a lesser known deity, the son and husband of Gia. I missed your chance to say it on national tv. What is Uranus? Uranus, never Wrong. Back to you, Mina.
Mina Kimes
Oh, God. Let's.
Timothy Simons
Hornheiser's gonna be disappointed in you. Did you know that I got to be Stat Boy one time?
Pablo Torre
I. This is. This is a legend. This is a legend in the PTI office. Is that. I don't know how it happened, but you were Stat Boy.
Timothy Simons
I think I just. We were shooting in Baltimore and they recorded in dc. I'm a longtime PTI watcher and listener.
Pablo Torre
Yes. Wait, you were doing Veep at the time?
Timothy Simons
Yeah, this was. I was doing Veep at the time, but it was pretty early on. I think it was probably second. It probably second season. Because I don't think they would have been like, yeah, come on the show unless they had seen it, you know, they were like, hey, some guy that's on a show that isn't out yet.
Pablo Torre
I distinctly remember Kornheiser seeing the clip of you saying that you were, how
Timothy Simons
am I doing eating so much? I'm son.
Mina Kimes
Hey, what?
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
This is an elementary school. Watch your spewing mouth, you animal.
Pablo Torre
And he was like, yep, now, yeah, get him on. Bring him in, bring him in.
Timothy Simons
And I just. I think I like, reached out time
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Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
And let's go back to the man from Veep and these upcoming movies, the
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Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
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Mina Kimes
Timothy Simons.
Timothy Simons
I did a bad job being Stat Boy because I was really nervous. And I had a good joke about Jay Cutler that they told me that I could throw in because it was like, oh, like, how should Jay Cutler feel about the Jeff George comparisons? Jay Cutler should feel blank about being compared to Jeff George.
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
He should feel furious. This is who.
Timothy Simons
And mine was going to be. Like, he should be exceedingly happy to be compared to Jeff George because I was very anti Cutler at that point. And in my ear, they said, like, yeah, throw in the bid if you want. And I completely froze. It was like I wasn't even there. Mike Wilbond, thank you very much. You brought your A game for me. No mistakes. The gentleman who is not Mike Wilbon, you pronounced it whooping cough, and it's of course, everybody knows whooping cough is that long.
Mina Kimes
Imagine me on that.
Timothy Simons
I didn't take advantage of the opportunity that I was given, but I was very happy that they had me on.
Pablo Torre
This is taking us to a bit of an inflection point that I was monitoring personally from PTFO headquarters because of course, last time Mina's undoing was herself.
Mina Kimes
Yeah.
Pablo Torre
I mean, Mina to, to just recap it, the daily double strategy. I mean, so much of what it turns out Jeopardy. Reddit and Jeopardy. Analytics would suggest would demand of a good contestant is.
Timothy Simons
Would demand.
Pablo Torre
You must hunt daily doubles. And then when you get to them, you know, what's the strategy supposed to be?
Mina Kimes
Hunting daily doubles is really important. Jeopardy. And that's not even about getting points for yourself. It's about playing defense. Right. And keeping them out of the hands of other people is as important a a a part of daily. Why you hunt daily dou.
Pablo Torre
I don't think Tim is just discovering the game he was actually playing.
Timothy Simons
Yeah.
Pablo Torre
Days, months later, actually.
Mina Kimes
How much you wager it does. Your knowledge of the category does matter, Pablo. Like you shouldn't just rager willy nilly if you don't know a category. And the one that I did get in this game was a category I genuinely felt I didn't know. The dreaded opera category. For 800 answer there is a daily double.
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
Mina.
Mina Kimes
All right,
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
now we don't know how much you're actually dreading the opera category.
Mina Kimes
Yeah, a lot. I don't know anything about opera. I'll just go 1500.
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
Okay, you'll have 7900 if you're right. Let's look on the positive. Here's your clue in the dreaded opera category. Delicate as a winged insect, the geisha Choco San in Puccini's opera is the real name of this title character.
Mina Kimes
What is Madame Butterfly?
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
See, you do know your opera. There you go.
Mina Kimes
I actually wasn't that hard on myself afterwards for wagering conservatively on it was opera because I truly at that point did not know very much about opera.
Pablo Torre
Tim reliving his daily double experience in Triple Jeopardy. I do think that it's worth noting that this happened.
Timothy Simons
Director's cut for 1200 answer there a
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
daily double for you this time, Timothy.
Mina Kimes
This was hard, though. This whole category was hard. The director's cut category, you could move
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
into first if you wager big here.
Timothy Simons
I'm gonna go 1500.
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
Okay. For 6600 then. Here's your clue in director's cut. A speech intended to persuade plus a Floating ice mass equals this filmmaker.
Timothy Simons
Who is Peter Berg.
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
Sorry. No, the speech is a spiel. What is Spielberg.
Timothy Simons
Oh, shoot.
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
So you dropped out a little bit, too.
Timothy Simons
I thought it was first name, last name.
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
Good news for Mina that you two found the daily doubles there. It was a good guess.
Timothy Simons
All right, thank you. You're just trying to make me feel better, and I appreciate it.
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
I absolutely am. Yes.
Timothy Simons
All right.
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
I don't want to be on the receiving end of one of your little reconciliation speeches.
Timothy Simons
I have a brief written statement for Ken.
Pablo Torre
Peter Berg is such a good answer, if you're assuming that it must be first name, last name, which I think was unclear to me as well. I was kind of mad on Tim's behalf when I heard Ken's just sort of like, of course, it could have been just one name.
Timothy Simons
And I think also there was a part afterwards I was also like, I guess I thought it was spiel and not spiel. It is spiel. And I know they like, look, again, the performance speaks for itself.
Pablo Torre
We're sending a letter. We're sending a letter to Michael Davies.
Mina Kimes
But these are the ones that, per our conversation earlier, the ones where you have to do, like, multiple steps and you're. The buzzer's going. It's horrible.
Timothy Simons
And this was one where I probably should have wagered some more because I did feel pretty confident in that category. Like, I could have. I could have cleared that board. I think the. The pressure being singularly. And like, again, Mina, you can probably speak to this too, when you have the Daily Double, if you have to, like, put your buzzer down so, like, the little, you know, wooby of comfort that you have, you then also are just, like completely naked out there and everybody is focused on you. Like it does.
Pablo Torre
It ramps your hands at that point. Right?
Timothy Simons
Exactly.
Mina Kimes
Yes. The. The. The Daily Doubles are, I think, the most stressful part of Jeopardy, for sure.
Timothy Simons
It also was hard for me in that moment, too, because somebody was like, revving motorcycles outside my house and keeping me awake the night before. And I'm maybe. Maybe putting it together that they were hired by Mina Kimes.
Pablo Torre
I was going to say, I'm not saying that there was a larger Seattle based conspiracy, given that Ken Jennings happens to be a Mina Kim super fan from her work on such programs as NFL Live. I do believe that Tim Simons might have a constitutional, you know, appeal.
Mina Kimes
I think he's a super fan. But.
Pablo Torre
Well, the. The heartbreaking part for Tim is that he does the thing that you're supposed to do, which is get the daily doubles. And then.
Mina Kimes
Did you get another one?
Pablo Torre
Yeah, he had another one.
Timothy Simons
Oh, God. Mommy, daddy, read it again for 1500.
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
Answer.
Mina Kimes
This was hard, too. This was hard.
Timothy Simons
You can see already.
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
I'm like, believe it or not, this is an opportunity. You can once again move the chill.
Mina Kimes
Try to be chill.
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
Mommy, daddy, read it again. What do you want again?
Timothy Simons
That sounds like. That sounds pointed.
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
No, I don't want to sound like I'm pressuring you to make a big wager. You can wager any amount you want.
Timothy Simons
I'm going to. I don't have a lot of confidence in this, so I'm just going to go like, I'm going to go a thousand.
Mina Kimes
So I'm stoked right here.
Timothy Simons
Yeah.
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
Mommy, daddy, read it again. Mommy, I like when you look at me and say to me, you will be unique in all the world. Like this royal space traveler again.
Timothy Simons
Who is who? I like when you look at me. Who is the little boy who went to space and had a great time?
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
No, I'm sorry. No, you're close. The Little Prince. The Little Prince. He had a great time, too.
Timothy Simons
Can we get a judges call on that one?
Pablo Torre
So I should say just in terms of the dollar amounts, at that point, it was still a game. I mean, Mina had 9900. Tim, you had 6300. And then that happened. And Mina, of course, was celebrating. As soon as she did the math in her head, she was like her fist clenched.
Mina Kimes
I was happier that he wagered so little than that. He got it wrong, actually. I was really worried he would do true daily double.
Timothy Simons
That's like you just noticing, like, an offensive lineman's footwork and just being like, oh, this is all going to fall apart. Like, the left side is protected right now, but when he starts getting tired,
Pablo Torre
is about to throw a pick, this is absolutely ending in his time.
Mina Kimes
I was surprised. I just thought children's books. He's got kids. He could really double me up here. And then when you went 1000, I, as you saw, I was like,
Timothy Simons
can we zoom in on that one, too?
Pablo Torre
Yeah, we're going to push in. We're going to push in on Mina. Reading. Reading the defense.
Mina Kimes
That's a hard one. You got hard questions, Tim.
Timothy Simons
Thank you. I appreciate that.
Pablo Torre
Speaking of moving feet, though, and a difficult question, I did enjoy the dance category.
Timothy Simons
Check out my dance moves for $1,200.
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
Take it back now, y'. All. And one off this time are DJ Kenan Thompson's instructions in a 2019 SNL sketch featuring this dance Mina.
Mina Kimes
What is the Cupid Shuffle? I thought I was right.
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
Timothy.
Timothy Simons
What is the Electric Slide?
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
Also incorrect.
Timothy Simons
What?
Pablo Torre
Andy.
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
Andy's just gonna sit on his dance knowledge here. What is the Cha Cha Slide?
Mina Kimes
I thought I had that one.
Timothy Simons
I obviously thought I had that one too. What is the Electric Slide?
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
Also incorrect.
Timothy Simons
What? That was the only moment where I feel like the mask slipped too much on the bit where I was revealing what was underneath. You know what I mean?
Mina Kimes
You were upset with yourself. You wanted that one.
Timothy Simons
I wanted that one. Yeah. That was where. Oh, that little bit of competitiveness was in there. Like, this is bull. It's the Electric Slide. And now you're against me.
Pablo Torre
I was gonna say, when are we gonna get some Joan Orion out of Tim? And right there in the. What? Banging the podium. I was like, finally. I should say that at this point in the show, Mina just goes on an absolute run.
Timothy Simons
Yep.
Mina Kimes
From beyond the grave for 1500.
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
Kind of a Nordic version of Lockes. It's salmon that's been cured in a salt brine, sometimes with Aquavit.
Timothy Simons
What the fuck?
Mina Kimes
What is Gravlux?
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
1500 for you? Some political aids are on the menial side.
Mina Kimes
We're out of deep.
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
Tony Hale was a bag man. And on Zero Day, Jesse Plemons is put down as this man. What the.
Mina Kimes
What is a body man?
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
Correct.
Mina Kimes
That sucks.
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
Try it if you dare. Alfonso Ribeiro based this character's move on the corniest dance on the planet. Mina.
Mina Kimes
What is Carlton?
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
The Carlton dance. Yeah.
Mina Kimes
Mommy, Daddy. Read it again for 300.
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
Again. The story of this inquisitive animal. And can I have a first edition of the book? He was spun off from Cecily G and the Nine Monkeys. Mina.
Mina Kimes
It was Curious George.
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
Yes.
Timothy Simons
I mean, I would have got. I wouldn't have gotten Gravlox. I would not have gotten that one. But the other two I might have been able to get, like, just get you back on your heels a little bit.
Pablo Torre
The other one that you're basically in.
Timothy Simons
I'm in that show.
Mina Kimes
It's important to reinforce to people how Celebrity jeopardy. Is like 80% about the buzzer.
Timothy Simons
Yes.
Mina Kimes
I cannot stress that enough.
Timothy Simons
They should give us an opportunity to, like, be able to press a different button, which just is. I knew that, you know, I just.
Mina Kimes
I did know that that button is
Pablo Torre
called yet
Mina Kimes
be super demonstrative about it. So everyone knows that. You knew it. It's actually not why I do that. I do that because out of legitimate fury.
Pablo Torre
But if you look at the first one that we've played Of Mina. It's like she's just disappointed in the buzzer and then it gets just increasingly agitated.
Mina Kimes
I'm looking at it like, is it working? I'm looking at my technique. I'm so mad.
Pablo Torre
It's like increasingly just disgusted.
Mina Kimes
Yeah.
Pablo Torre
But this, it did bring us to one of these moments where I'm like, okay, how's Mina doing? Because look, I've, I've played celebrity family feud with Mina. And viewers of this show who watch that film room session know that behind the scenes, Mina was audibly disappointed in her teammates at times. And in this, we don't have to get into that.
Mina Kimes
They're so stupid. They're so stupid. Feud is a dumb game too.
Pablo Torre
And she was mad that you're mad
Mina Kimes
at America to play it.
Pablo Torre
She was disappointed in the American people in the hundred people at the Mall of America that we presume that they pull. But this, it got, there's like a smile going into commercial break. She was feeling confident. And we got to the last category.
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
We wind up tonight's game of celebrity Jeopardy All Stars with final jeopardy. And our category tonight is historic defendants. Here's the clue. In 2022, Elizabeth Johnson Jr. Was formally exonerated of this by the state of Massachusetts 329 years after her conviction. You have 30 seconds, players.
Pablo Torre
Good luck.
Game Show Host (Ken Jennings)
We'll start in the middle with Andy Richter. $5,600 coming into final jeopardy. And wrote down a response quickly. He wrote down, what is witchcraft? Yes. She had been convicted at the Salem witch trials. I believe the last one to have her record cleared. What did you wager, Andy? Almost everything. You will nearly double up. You now have $11,199. Timothy Simons was in second place with 8,000. And boy, he was writing another letter of grievance. That was a long response. Let's see what you got, Timothy. What is the tea party? Throwing all that tea away, that should be a crime. Unfortunately, we know now it's not the Boston Tea Party. What did you wager? All of it. So you go down to zero. I'm afraid Mina Kimes cannot be caught here. 17,100. Did she know it was witchcraft? She's right. What did you bet? Didn't have to bet a penny. With $17,100, Mina Kimes, you've just advanced to the celebrity Jeopardy. All star semifinals. Congratulations. $30,000, Andy and Tim, for each of your charities.
Timothy Simons
If we had like actual like sports based replay, I would be like go back to when it first cuts to her. It is the most insulting thing.
Pablo Torre
Yes.
Timothy Simons
How calmly and gently. Oh my godly.
Pablo Torre
Thank you for pointing this out.
Timothy Simons
And still she is in that moment. It is the worst possible thing she could have done.
Pablo Torre
It was Patrick Bateman. It was Patrick Bateman who told us.
Mina Kimes
Ok. They told us. First of all, it's. It's when, when a game is in jeopardy parlance, it's called a runaway
Timothy Simons
mother.
Mina Kimes
The jeopardy people don't love it because it's anticlimactic. Right.
Pablo Torre
And parlance. Who decides jeopardy parlance, by the way,
Mina Kimes
things called a crush game anyways. But they told us, they were like, please just keep a stone face regardless. Like don't celebrate. No. And also they said, and Tip was here for this. Like, like, don't betray. Whether you know it or not, don't betray any emotional reaction. So I was really trying to be like, just be calm. You've already won. That's great. Just be chill. Don't make a face. So I was really trying to not betray any emotions at all.
Timothy Simons
They still seeped through.
Pablo Torre
I was gonna say, I'm not sure if Mina Kimes the actress is necessarily nailing that particular role.
Timothy Simons
They're gonna be like, let's do that one more time.
Mina Kimes
I just love winning. I'm sorry. I just love guys.
Pablo Torre
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Timothy Simons
Do you also do this thing? Like I watched that show last night and I am like, God, I gotta work on my posture. Do you also do this? Like, do you whenever you actually see yourself, like, you're like, oh, is that what I actually look like? And I noticed that when I was writing down my answer, I had decided to like bend at a 90 degree angle at the waist.
Mina Kimes
Well, is this where we talk about the fact that I had a little bit of a disadvantage? Andy may have had to dance at 7am but because one of my competitors, I'm not gonna say which one is, was so freakishly tall, I'm again, I'm not naming, you can guess. They had to put me on a little riser and lift me like six inches off the ground. And if I had stepped to one side, I would have fallen in hilarious fashion. So I was trying to stay perfectly still also the entire game. Which honestly a little bit of a disadvantage because I'm a little bit nervous about falling.
Timothy Simons
It is like an ankle twisting height. You know what I Mean, it's like, just high enough.
Pablo Torre
Wait, Tiff, how tall are you?
Timothy Simons
I'm 6 foot 5, almost 6 foot 6. Like, I'm up there.
Pablo Torre
Just the photos, by the way, what this led to. So this is an alleged disadvantage for Mina in the game because the height and the verticality.
Mina Kimes
I'm just saying you're on a little riser, and so you have to play on this thing, like on a little silk.
Timothy Simons
It's like a pneumatic thing that raises us all up behind goes so that we're the same height.
Mina Kimes
It's like a standing desk.
Pablo Torre
But this explains why you were turning Ken Jennings into Bryce Young.
Mina Kimes
Oh, yes. You saw this? I posted a picture with Ken Jennings and everyone was like, whoa, you're taller than Ken Jennings. And Ken was like, there's a riser. So then Ken, who's the best? So then I had to explain to people, I. I even posted the height chart of all four of us going from me to Tim to debunk the Internet. But people also don't understand that I am not a small woman because I work all day with two men who are 6 foot 5 myself. And on NFL Live. So I. It like throws people sense of. I'm almost 57 myself, but Ken Jennings is probably like 5 10, I would say.
Timothy Simons
So you. What you're saying is that people were assuming that you frame mugged him. Is that where it was going?
Mina Kimes
I. I think it was. People thought it was a. Yes, that a little bit of a frame mogging, little bit of an alpha move maybe, but it's fine. I didn't mind being on the riser, honestly. It maybe it helped me lock in a little bit and keep perfectly still. I did a couple of other breathing exercises during the show to make sure I stayed perfectly calm.
Pablo Torre
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I wanna know the breathing exercise regimen.
Mina Kimes
Okay, so last time, like I said, I got so upset about getting locked out, and I felt like my emotions got the best of me. So this time, you know, my biggest priority going to this. I didn't study, but I remembered from last time, you know, stay calm just once you find a rhythm, stay in the rhythm. And then I. The thing I practiced was if you start getting locked out, take a moment, reset, do a quick breathing exercise. I don't think you can see it on camera. There was a moment where I got locked out or something a couple times where I. I paused, I took a few deep breaths, and I said to myself, you are Nino's mom. You're going to win.
Pablo Torre
Oh, My God.
Timothy Simons
Oh.
Mina Kimes
And then I locked in, and I. And I. And I. So it was like my. Like Tom Brady.
Pablo Torre
Tim, did you know you were actually competing against the Navy seal? Did you know that?
Timothy Simons
No, I didn't. And honestly, I would have prepared differently. I am Nino's mom. As she's jumping like, she's doing a halo jump. The M4 on her back, activating an energy sword.
Mina Kimes
I was just trying to keep my heart rate at, like, a. Like, a steady beat.
Timothy Simons
She's training with that thing that, like, that thing they put over the mouth that, like, inhibits your oxygen intake so that when you're actually at whatever, like, at playing at altitude. God, she saved that guy in Iran.
Pablo Torre
She did it off camera. They have to cut it out. I want. In fact, my next investigation is can I get the. In building, like, closed circuit feed of Mina doing insane breathing exercises to not become the Incredible Hulk?
Mina Kimes
I. I really didn't get that unnerved during this episode for, you know, obvious reasons.
Timothy Simons
Oh, my God.
Pablo Torre
Oh, there it is.
Timothy Simons
There it is.
Mina Kimes
How many texts did you get about not getting the V? 1?
Timothy Simons
None. The only text that I've gotten so far was from my mom, who was like, you did a really good job, honey, and you were very funny. You know what I mean? Like, I got a nice text from my mom.
Mina Kimes
That's good.
Pablo Torre
I am Timothy's mom. I am Timothy,
Timothy Simons
and I am going to win.
Mina Kimes
She would win if she did that.
Pablo Torre
Also, just a quick postscript before I let you go, because Mina Kimes in the semifinals of Celebrity Jeopardy All Stars on May 12 has been announced. We'll face Lisa Ann Walter and Katie Nolan, which means that we have some more finding out to do. So tune back in. In the meantime, I am Pablo Torre, and this has been Pablo Torre finds out. We will talk to you next.
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Date: April 23, 2026
Guests: Mina Kimes (ESPN journalist & NFL analyst), Timothy Simons (actor, comedian)
Host: Pablo Torre
Pablo Torre hosts a deep-dive conversation with friends and recent Celebrity Jeopardy! All Stars contestants Mina Kimes and Timothy Simons. Together, they conduct a playful, forensic "film study" on their Jeopardy! performances—screening notable moments, dissecting buzzer strategies, teasing each other's gaffes, and exploring the competitive psyche that fuels quiz show success (and agony).
"I just don't like losing sociopathically." – Mina Kimes
"The moment somebody aims a camera at you, you become 30% dumber than you were the moment before." – Timothy Simons
"When I saw that you were on there, I was like, okay, well, I'll be making the minimum amount for my charity." (04:50)
"I was buzzing entirely based on Ken's voice going up at the end. I wasn't even looking at the lights...from that point on, I was like, always go in earlier than you're comfortable with intuitively, and...do it off of his voice." – Mina Kimes
"It would be so shameful for me to miss a sports question."
"It's about playing defense...keeping them out of the hands of other people." – Mina Kimes
"That was where...a little bit of competitiveness was in there. Like, this is bull. It’s the Electric Slide!" – Timothy Simons (36:17; also callback at start [00:06])
"You have to imagine that. But also quietly, like Patrick Bateman of game shows." – Pablo Torre on Mina (18:18)
"You get so mad at it…the buzzer is really quietly the most important part of the game." – Mina Kimes (10:43)
"That was where...a little bit of competitiveness was in there. Like, this is bull. It’s the Electric Slide!" – Timothy Simons (36:17)
"I just love winning. I'm sorry. I just love guys." – Mina Kimes (42:28)
"Hunting daily doubles is really important...it's about playing defense." – Mina Kimes (29:13)
| Timestamp | Segment | |-------------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:18–04:13 | Introductions to the episode and competition lineup | | 04:50–05:59 | Discovering competitors; the "devil on the shoulder" competitive instinct | | 06:09–07:56 | Early mishaps on the board; buzzer timing struggles | | 08:39–12:13 | Sports questions anxiety; unlocking buzzer strategies | | 13:03–15:09 | Buzzer analogies to golf and the grip under pressure | | 15:22–17:01 | Tim's historical grievance ("Bohr’s poor") and comedic protest | | 18:32–19:32 | Mina's competitive drive rooted in childhood | | 29:06–32:59 | Daily Double philosophy, wagering, and the stress of being on the spot | | 36:00–36:43 | Dance question debacles: "Electric Slide" versus "Cha Cha Slide" | | 39:44–41:08 | Final Jeopardy: "witchcraft" and the aftermath | | 41:30–42:28 | How to act like you haven't won; the cold composure of Mina Kimes | | 45:18–47:28 | Physical quirks: risers and height gaps among contestants | | 47:58–49:00 | Mina’s breathing exercises and mantra; Tim’s humorous Navy SEAL comparisons | | 50:14–50:50 | Announcing Mina's next matchup in the semifinals |
Next up: Mina Kimes faces Lisa Ann Walter and Katie Nolan in the Celebrity Jeopardy! All Stars semifinals on May 12.
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