Share & Celine & Tell with Michael Cruz Kayne and Katie Nolan

Summary

Pablo Torre Finds Out: "Share & Celine & Tell" with Michael Cruz Kayne and Katie Nolan

Release Date: October 22, 2024
Host: Pablo Torre
Guests: Michael Cruz Kayne, Katie Nolan

Overview

In this lively and irreverent episode, Pablo Torre welcomes comedian Michael Cruz Kayne and media personality Katie Nolan for a classic "Share & Tell" roundtable. The trio dives into ancestry results, pop culture obsessions (like Kelly Clarkson and Celine Dion), Filipino karaoke culture, the nuances of NBA draft drama, and ethical debates around age-gap relationships. The conversation is unscripted, funny, and occasionally profound, weaving together personal stories, viral video commentary, and thoughtful takes on public controversy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Ancestry DNA & Identity (00:28 – 07:00)

• Pablo's 23andMe/Ancestry.com Journey:

  • Pablo reveals new surprises in his Ancestry.com results, which are “constantly updating,” causing confusion about his own identity.
    • "There is a map, and it is informing me that I am now 9% Southern Chinese." – Pablo (02:47)
  • The ever-shifting percentages due to updated genetic databases are both fascinating and unsettling to the group.
  • Katie and Michael joke about how these results can change with new corporate data and the potential implications for privacy.
    • "Last year I was part Portuguese, and now that's just gone." – Pablo (05:15)
  • Concerns are raised about the reliability of these services and the fate of 23andMe's data privacy after recent company turmoil.
    • "What happened to 23andMe? It's not going great." – Pablo (05:54)

• Karaoke Connections & Cousins:

  • Pablo mentions being notified of genetic relatives but opts not to connect, likening it to "ethnic Raya."
    • "Kind of like ethnic Raya, except you're not supposed to date each other." – Pablo (06:50)
  • Katie brings up Iceland's anti-incest app, highlighting unique cultural responses to small population challenges.

2. Pop Culture Share: Kelly Clarkson’s Covers & Celine Dion’s Response (08:04 – 16:56)

• Kelly Clarkson: The Ultimate Cover Artist

  • Michael shares his obsession with Kelly Clarkson covering other artists’ songs on her talk show.
    • "If I had a song and Kelly Clarkson covered my song, I would quit making songs." – Michael (08:39)
  • The group discusses the internet’s reaction to Clarkson’s covers, often declaring the songs now belong to her.
  • Katie confesses her unpopular preference for Nine Inch Nails’ "Hurt" over Johnny Cash’s iconic cover.

• Celine Dion’s Endorsement (09:29 – 12:30)

  • Playback: Celine Dion leaves an emotional video message for Clarkson after hearing her cover "My Heart Will Go On."
    • "You were absolutely incredible. Fantastic. I loved it so much. I hope we can see each other in person soon. Very soon. And I hope we're not gonna start crying." – Celine Dion (10:22)
  • The trio marvels at Celine Dion’s otherworldly presence and the toll of her stiff person syndrome, as portrayed in her documentary.
  • "To me, Celine Dion is kind of talent-wise Kelly Clarkson-ish… she is a vessel for song somehow…" – Michael (11:44)

• Karaoke Aspirations and Cultural Phenomena

  • The panel compares their karaoke go-tos and the transcendent, effortless quality of elite singers.
    • "The amount of work my body needs to do to hit one note of karaoke versus her… not breaking a sweat." – Pablo (14:00)
  • Discussion about private vs. public room karaoke, with Michael and Katie sharing their preferences (“private room only!”).

3. Filipino Karaoke Clip: Viral Performance & Cultural Commentary (22:00 – 25:40)

• The Legendary "Listen" Cover
  • Pablo introduces a viral clip: four young Filipino boys covering Beyoncé’s "Listen" on TV.
    • “This show rules.” – Pablo (24:26)
  • Michael calls it the “national anthem of the Philippines,” illustrating Filipino karaoke culture's power and pride.
    • "I think of that song as the national anthem of the Philippines." – Michael (25:31)
  • The group jokingly coins “Clarksoned it” to describe when a cover overtakes the original.

4. NBA Drama: Kyle Filipowski’s Draft Day & Relationship Scandal (26:11 – 44:08)

• Setting the Scene

  • Pablo details the NBA draft drop of Duke’s Kyle Filipowski, surrounded by rumors about his older girlfriend and family disputes.
    • "His brother was a victim, a perfect pawn, a target for his girlfriend’s lifelong scheme..." – Pablo quoting Filipowski's brother (28:59)
  • Rumors of "grooming" and family estrangement, with social media taking sides during the draft.
  • Pablo clarifies relationship context: Filipowski’s girlfriend was a family friend, several years older, and the relationship began soon after high school. The resulting family drama played out very publicly.

• Ethical Debate and Societal Standards

  • Open discussion: How do we judge age-gap relationships and family interference? Is the male “victim” taken as seriously as a female one would be?
  • Michael and Katie reflect on their own family and dating experiences, bringing humor and honesty to a controversial topic.
    • “If my 15-year-old son had a girlfriend in her 20s, I’d be locking up the house.” – Michael (35:10)
  • Comparison to other public age-gap relationships (Belichick’s 23-year-old girlfriend), leading to a suggestion for a "panel of judges" to vet such couples, à la The Voice.
    • "If X is greater than that number, you gotta sit before a panel of people and have a conversation..." – Michael (43:10)

5. Wrap-Up: Lessons & Lingering Questions (45:00 – End)

• Quick Learnings:
  • Katie learns Iceland’s anti-incest app is real, per USA Today. (45:22)
    • "New app helps Icelanders avoid accidental incest." – Pablo (45:36)
  • Michael is amazed that ancestry results can fluctuate (“your race can change!”).
  • Pablo learns about the Dai people, reflecting how each segment tied back to ancestry and identity.
• Tone:
  • Self-aware, cheeky, sometimes heartfelt; the group bounces between deep thoughts and digressions.
    • "We leave that there. Just leave that right there." – Katie (46:27)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Cultural Identity:
  "I haven't replied to any of them... Kind of like ethnic Raya, except you're not supposed to date each other." – Pablo (06:44)

• On Kelly Clarkson’s Covers:
  "If I had a song and Kelly Clarkson covered my song, I would quit making songs." – Michael (08:39) "It's kind of like what Johnny Cash did with Hurt, except she does it with every song." – Michael (09:00)

• On NBA Relationship Drama:
  "[Filipowski's brother said] his brother was a victim, a perfect pawn, a target for his girlfriend’s lifelong scheme..." – Pablo (28:59)

• On Age-Gap Relationships:
  “Once the younger person is 30, then whatever. If you want to date an 80-year-old, good for you. If you're 15, case closed.” – Michael (39:11)

• On Filipino Karaoke: "I get booked on a fair number of literally Filipino comedy shows, and if they have the ability to show video, I always show this." – Michael (24:57) "They Clarksoned it." – Pablo (25:48)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:28 – Ancestry DNA, Pablo’s shifting identity
• 05:54 – 23andMe drama and data privacy discussion
• 08:04 – Share & Tell: Kelly Clarkson and cover culture
• 09:45 – Celine Dion’s emotional message to Kelly Clarkson
• 14:00 – Karaoke prowess, musical deconstruction
• 22:00 – Filipino kids sing Beyoncé, cultural pride and viral covers
• 26:11 – NBA: Kyle Filipowski’s draft, relationship debates, and family scandal
• 39:03 – Age-gap relationships, ethics, and judging love on “The Voice”
• 45:00 – Wrap-up: insights and quick takeaways

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Final Thoughts

"Share & Celine & Tell" delivers the trademark PTFO blend of wit, personal insight, and offbeat cultural analysis. The full episode is a journey from genetic confusion to global karaoke stardom, and from pop covers to complex social debates, grounded by the hosts’ candor and humor. For listeners seeking both laughs and substance, with a dash of pop anthropology, this episode is a gem.

Transcript

[Pablo Torre]

Welcome to Pablo Torre finds out. I am Pablo Torre. And today we're going to find out.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

What this sound is on Ancestry.com. your race can change right after this ad.

[Katie Nolan]

You're listening to Giraffe Kings Network.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

But something I want to say about indigenous peoples.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay, great. Is good.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Now that Columbus sucks. They're like, oh, he's Jewish, by the way. That.

[Katie Nolan]

That's not cool. I've never even heard that at. I haven't even. Still haven't heard that.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

That Columbus is Jewish.

[Katie Nolan]

Well, I'm Italian and Italians loved Columbus. It's like part of our heritage.

[Pablo Torre]

Even though he. He sailed for Spain.

[Katie Nolan]

I know. It's why I don't get it. But I, I, if I say that too loud, my mom will disown me. So I feel like I just have to be like, hey, I have to.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I guess I'm Jewish. I'm Jewish and Filipino.

[Katie Nolan]

Did you just feel like you had to admit that?

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I feel like I did. Well, because.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Because they secretly. This is already live streaming.

[Pablo Torre]

This is on true social.

[Katie Nolan]

Filipino and Jew. That's fine. Does anyone else want to declare anything?

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Getting a lot of thumbs down from the booth. That's weird.

[Pablo Torre]

I did, I did do Ancestry.com.

[Katie Nolan]

Well, I hope you didn't do any crimes or whatever you did. The DNA.

[Pablo Torre]

That is something that I did not consider that I have to have this.

[Katie Nolan]

Use against to ancestry.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, yeah. You mail it in.

[Katie Nolan]

Pablo.

[Pablo Torre]

We've been swabbing all sorts of things for the last three.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

They're making. Pablo's in a lab right now.

[Katie Nolan]

And lucky us.

[Pablo Torre]

And they're 8% Chinese.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

8%.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

That was gonna happen. The Filipino.

[Pablo Torre]

That's what I'm saying.

[Katie Nolan]

What are you looking?

[Pablo Torre]

I'm looking up my ancestry dot com.

[Katie Nolan]

That's topic number one. I feel like we'll just go through.

[Pablo Torre]

I really did miscalculate. This is. I'll have to. Is a QR code now.

[Katie Nolan]

This is too much.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

You have the QR code on you.

[Katie Nolan]

This is as far as I can. If I were trying to do something and I encounter a QR code, I go, well, that's. We didn't need to do that. Back to the show.

[Pablo Torre]

Oh, so they update. They update based on other people's genetic information. What? Your genetic information is live.

[Katie Nolan]

Update.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Pause. Pause right there.

[Katie Nolan]

So who you are is changing.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

This is what I want to know. I don't understand that. Based on other people. Yeah, go ahead.

[Pablo Torre]

That is exactly right.

[Katie Nolan]

That's not.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

So you sent in your DNA based on that DNA. Assign you a particular or. Or they.

[Pablo Torre]

They. They discover a genetic makeup, the origins of that DNA, based on matches with other people who have submitted, via cotton swab, their own genetic code.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

But then one of those people. What? I'm just going to change because. Are we in the matrix?

[Pablo Torre]

Because this is. This is where. I don't know how any of this works, actually.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Okay.

[Pablo Torre]

But what I can tell, there is a map, and it is informing me that I am now 9%.

[Katie Nolan]

No.

[Pablo Torre]

Southern Chinese.

[Katie Nolan]

No, see, I was cool with 8, but 9's a little too much.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Also, 9 I'm not. I. I'm not understanding because I feel like. Doesn't everything have to break down in.

[Pablo Torre]

Well, guess what else.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Powers of Else.

[Katie Nolan]

I want you to answer some of the questions we've asked. All you're giving us is more stuff.

[Pablo Torre]

8%. Spain.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Spain. Spain.

[Pablo Torre]

Pablo.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Pablo.

[Pablo Torre]

I mean.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Yeah. I mean, my Filipinos cruise, you know, there's gonna be some Spain in there.

[Pablo Torre]

That's what. That's what it says on the box. There's gonna be some Spain in there. 5% Central and Eastern China.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Wow.

[Katie Nolan]

So we're getting a lot of China and what, China. Southern China was the other one.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, yeah.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

No North China for you.

[Pablo Torre]

No, you just haven't read far enough scrolling.

[Katie Nolan]

Can they just say China? Well, because it's so big.

[Pablo Torre]

It's so many.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I can't believe you would say so.

[Katie Nolan]

Sorry for reducing all of China to the word China.

[Pablo Torre]

Now here's something. 1% die.

[Katie Nolan]

Sorry.

[Pablo Torre]

AI die. Dai is a place that Katie Nolan should have learned about when she studied for Korea. I know.

[Katie Nolan]

That's why I'm scanning my brain. I'm feeling very stupid. I don't like to look ignorant.

[Pablo Torre]

Admittedly, this is the first time I've ever seen this country at the bottom.

[Katie Nolan]

Of D. No, I'm going to say D. Related words. Geography. Words.

[Pablo Torre]

Oh, here we go.

[Katie Nolan]

Is it like Thai, but a specific.

[Pablo Torre]

Yes.

[Katie Nolan]

Subset of.

[Pablo Torre]

Absolutely.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Right.

[Pablo Torre]

The Dai people are closely related to the Shan, Lao, and Thai people, who form a majority in Laos and Thailand and a large minority in Myanmar.

[Katie Nolan]

I was gonna say Myanmar. Or like I was gonna. My sec. My next guest was Cambodia. Ow. It didn't hurt. It just was loud. I'm sorry.

[Pablo Torre]

So that's mostly me.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay.

[Pablo Torre]

The rest is Filipino in various other.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

You know, do they break down the Filipino to be like.

[Katie Nolan]

They have to.

[Pablo Torre]

It's 38% Luzon, 22% Western Visayas.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Wow.

[Pablo Torre]

12% Central and Southern Philippines. Very detailed. 5% Northern and Central Philippines.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Wow.

[Katie Nolan]

But now here's a question. May I ask, not trying to ruin your day, but knowing that you've submitted that and that you're learning so much about who you are from that, and also knowing that the people who have that can change the numbers to it.

[Pablo Torre]

At any given time based on upgrading and updating.

[Katie Nolan]

I still don't. You still haven't really.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I don't want you say updating anymore.

[Katie Nolan]

Because you don't get that. Listen, aren't you afraid that you might one day go basically and look in a genetic mirror and the thing reflected back to you is not actually true?

[Pablo Torre]

Last year I was part Portuguese, and.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Now that's just gone. You.

[Pablo Torre]

Now I'm. Now It's. I'm. I'm. 1% die.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

That's up. I mean, because aren't you out, like, buying flags and stuff and being like, you know, who's Portuguese?

[Katie Nolan]

Is that colonialism? Because Portugal's not near.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, I mean, yes, that, that.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

But maybe a Spanish guy hooked up with a Portuguese lady and then they had a kid.

[Pablo Torre]

And then.

[Katie Nolan]

Didn't you hear that 23andMe are like, out of here? And so somebody can swing in and scoop up and buy all their genetic material.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna jump out.

[Katie Nolan]

I don't think they meant a person. I think they meant, like, Indiegogo.

[Pablo Torre]

Okay, hold on. Here's a timely article. Headline, September 20, 2024. What happened to 23andMe? It's not going great.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

All seven of the company's independent directors resigned en masse.

[Katie Nolan]

Have you heard about this?

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I think I have. It's. It's ringing. Ringing a bell. Did you say that word?

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. You could do it faster if you wanted, but it is.

[Pablo Torre]

It's ring. Dinging that bell. Yeah. Not. Not going great. So great.

[Katie Nolan]

That's Pablo's. Pablo finds out it's not going great for 23andMe.

[Pablo Torre]

They do tell you when they're cousins that pop up.

[Katie Nolan]

Find any new cousins?

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, I mean, I don't click on any of them.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

The way you said yeah was disturbing to me.

[Katie Nolan]

You're not gonna reach out?

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Did you find new cousins? Oh, oh, yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Wait, but you're not. Are you gonna reach out?

[Pablo Torre]

No.

[Katie Nolan]

No. So, God, what are you gonna do if they reach out to you? Because now you're in the.

[Pablo Torre]

I haven't replied to any of them.

[Katie Nolan]

They have reached out to you.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah. Yeah. You get messages, you get matches.

[Katie Nolan]

Your kind of siblings are messaging.

[Pablo Torre]

Kind of like ethnic Raya, except you're.

[Katie Nolan]

Not supposed to date Each other? I don't think. Well, except the little hopefully opposite of that. I mean, right? Oh no. Do you think there's a. No, don't do this. Don't plant this in my brain.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Let's not even go down.

[Katie Nolan]

I don't want to walk down that road.

[Pablo Torre]

As I say, it's a constantly updating map.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh God.

[Pablo Torre]

Who knows what gets.

[Katie Nolan]

Don't include misinformation alert. Don't they in. Isn't it in Iceland that there's so few people that they have to keep like a registry of who's related to who so that people don't accidentally marry their siblings?

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I can tell you right away when you said in Iceland, I went, I'm not going to know this. Whatever this is.

[Katie Nolan]

I'm not Capital Reykjavik. Everybody knows that one.

[Pablo Torre]

Okay. R. Today I learned. Today I learned a reputable source has such a small population that they have an anti incest app so you don't end up hooking up with a family member on a night out.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Posted by A usernamed Katie Nolan 5454.

[Katie Nolan]

That's right.

[Pablo Torre]

Michael, what did you bring us today?

[Michael Cruz Kane]

So look, it's not even really an article. It's mostly just a thing that I've been obsessed with which is Kelly Clarkson singing other people's songs.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh yeah.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

On the Internet. So that's. That's pretty. I'm done.

[Katie Nolan]

That's the back.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I'm finished.

[Pablo Torre]

Of course she does this. And I wonder if people don't like that she does this.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I. If I had a song and Kelly Clarkson covered my song, I would quit making songs. She's better at the songs than everybody. Than everybody else. So I. I feel like it's really like obliterates the original. It almost.

[Katie Nolan]

People do say very commonly a common thing I see when those videos are shared are like this is. Is Kelly Clarkson's song now. Sorry, Sabrina Carpenter. This is a Kelly Clarkson song now.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

It's kind of like what Johnny Cash did with Hurt, except she does it with every song.

[Katie Nolan]

I hate. I don't want to have to do this in public because it's not a popular take, but I.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

You like the original?

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, I like it much better.

[Pablo Torre]

Wait, who did the original?

[Katie Nolan]

9 inch nail?

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Kelly Clarkson. It wasn't Kelly Clarkson.

[Katie Nolan]

I just prefer and I'm sorry. And I know that's cuz I'm an uncultured swine but like I've. I've never heard that opinion checked publicly and I can't sit here. I can't. I wouldn't have been able to sleep tonight night if I went.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

She recently sang a Seline Dion song, my Heart will Go On. And of course, it's always perfect. Kelly Clarkson. The fact that she is doing this, it's crazy that she has a talk show and that. That's what she does to me.

[Pablo Torre]

Seline Dion.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

Had a reaction to this, which is very.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Selen Dion, which is.

[Katie Nolan]

Is it that she says, screw that lady? That's my song. Because that's what I want from my Seline Dion.

[Pablo Torre]

Well, that's.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

See, that's absolutely not the difference between.

[Pablo Torre]

Katie Nolan and Celine Dion is this.

[Celine Dion]

Oh, Kelly, When I came back from the Olympics, I got to watch and listen to your reaction to my performance on the Eiffel Tower. It was so sweet to hear you. Your voice, your voice was breaking and it touched me so tremendously. You were crying, and then you made me start crying.

[Pablo Torre]

What's up with all this freaking crying?

[Celine Dion]

And now I just saw you singing My Heart will Go on and I'm crying again. You were absolutely incredible. Fantastic. I loved it so much. I hope we can see each other in person soon. Very soon. And I hope we're not gonna start crying. I love you so much, Paints.

[Katie Nolan]

Bye.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I'm obsessed with Celine Dion, too. Just. Have you seen an icon? Have you seen the documentary?

[Pablo Torre]

It's.

[Katie Nolan]

I have not heard about this at all.

[Pablo Torre]

Sad is what it looks.

[Katie Nolan]

Is it about person syndrome? Is it about what she's. My father was tested for that. So, like, when I heard about stiff person syndrome, I was like, I'd never heard anybody else. It's so sad.

[Pablo Torre]

Did you see the doc?

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I would say that I saw 80 of the documentary. At a certain point, it felt like the narrative thread had kind of fallen out of the documentary. We were just kind of like watching random clips of Celine Dia and I was like, hmm, I think this might be bad. But Celine Dion as a human being is, I think, fascinating. And I say this lovingly. Absolutely bat. It seems like just like bonkers and kind of like very emotional in a way that I think is so fun.

[Pablo Torre]

I wonder if people, if young people fully appreciate Celine Dion in the way that you want her to be appreciated.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

To me, Celine Dion is kind of talent wise. Kelly Clarkson. Ish. There's like. It's like the. An incarnation of music. Like, she is a vessel for song somehow. And her voice is unbelievable. And also she talks kind of like. Like a woodland creature. Like there's something about her that's not quite tethered to reality in the way that you would have to be if you were that talented.

[Pablo Torre]

Right. She has the effect of, like, one of those elves in Lord of the Rings.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Yes. I think this is one, honestly. Galadriel.

[Pablo Torre]

That's right. Flaxen hair, pointy ears. The celestial aspect of her, the sadness of this syndrome that she had, which is for the record here, a rare neurological disorder of unclear cause, characterized by progressive muscular rigidity and stiffness.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

But it renders her unable to sing, in part. So that's like, kind of the crux of the trend of the documentary and.

[Pablo Torre]

Culminating in real life at the opening ceremony of the Paris Olympics, when she is on the Eiffel Tower, like, belting rays from. Yes. The. This divine sun.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Yeah. And not an under, not a. Not an overstatement.

[Pablo Torre]

For all the people who are like, I don't like. This is too. The people who didn't like the opening ceremony, I was like, we got Celine. Yeah, we got her back. And then Kelly Clarkson said, watch this.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Every night in my dreams I see you, I feel you. That is how I know you go on.

[Pablo Torre]

Titanic is where this originated, right?

[Katie Nolan]

Yes. Yes. Pablo. What?

[Pablo Torre]

I didn't know if. Sorry. I know if Nine Inch Nails had originated this.

[Katie Nolan]

That the heart does go on.

[Pablo Torre]

It's an effortlessness.

[Katie Nolan]

It's crazy, but you get the sense.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

There'S, like, such restraint in it. She's like, I have so much more than this.

[Pablo Torre]

The amount of work that my body needs to do to hit one note of karaoke versus her, like.

[Katie Nolan]

And the way it shows on our face.

[Pablo Torre]

Yes. It's the veins. She is, like, not breaking the slightest bit of sweat.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, she went up.

[Pablo Torre]

Damn.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

She doesn't even care.

[Pablo Torre]

Damn.

[Katie Nolan]

Forever this way you are safe in my heart will go.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

And she's hosting it. She's hosting a talk show. That's what she's doing. That's a clip from the talk show that she hosts. It's crazy.

[Pablo Torre]

It is.

[Katie Nolan]

Have you ever seen a clip of the talking part?

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I have no interest in it.

[Katie Nolan]

I have not either.

[Pablo Torre]

Mostly a rumor, as far as I can tell.

[Katie Nolan]

So my thing is, like, why don't we just. Why don't you just do this?

[Pablo Torre]

This is how I feel about.

[Katie Nolan]

This is what we want to see you do.

[Pablo Torre]

There is a funny thing.

[Katie Nolan]

People who like talk shows have talk.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Shows, but honestly, it would not surprise me if her talk show was goddamn delightful.

[Katie Nolan]

She's.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

You think you Te so pleasant. She's so pleasant, charismatic. She's very sweet and down to earth.

[Pablo Torre]

One of those people who like When American Idol was a thing. And I guess it still is a thing, but like, she. I just did not.

[Katie Nolan]

Guess it still is a thing. Says so much. I saw somebody say it's funny that we held a talent competition to find the best singer in America and got it right on the first try.

[Pablo Torre]

Exactly.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Shows done.

[Katie Nolan]

We could have just ended it. And unfortunately they kept. I know. Carrie Underwood also came from there and she was great.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

And Clay Aiken.

[Katie Nolan]

Well, yeah.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Bo Bison. Hudson from Jennifer.

[Katie Nolan]

I don't want to misspeak. No, Fantasia.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Also Fantasia Barrino.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. We did get a lot of great. I'm not meaning to speak down to, but I mean, that first. I mean that first season, if you're.

[Pablo Torre]

Talking about American Idol, Mount Rushmore. Kelly Clarkson is obviously the George Washington.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I think it's four Kelly Clarkson's. To be honest, it's kind of a boring mountain, but you're like, actually worth it.

[Pablo Torre]

Six Daytime Emmys for Kelly Clarkson.

[Katie Nolan]

So what in the world? Yeah, I bet. What? For what?

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Best song on a daytime talk show.

[Pablo Torre]

She won for outstanding daytime talk series.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

That's probably the best one.

[Katie Nolan]

I don't know. What. What other are there? Well, I mean, Jennifer Hudson. Doesn't she have one?

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Drew doesn't. Drew Barrymore.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. And she sits very closely on the couch.

[Pablo Torre]

I talked to a friend who's a respected music critic that I will not name by name, who told me recently respected. Then told me recently that he hates covers.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Oh, okay.

[Pablo Torre]

Hates the idea that another artist is.

[Katie Nolan]

Does he like the Nine Inch Nails version better?

[Pablo Torre]

Well, I guess he must.

[Katie Nolan]

Great. Give. Let me know who it is.

[Pablo Torre]

So I went to. To see Vampire Weekend, a band that I like at Madison Square Garden two weeks ago. Their post encore performance is all covers. They take requests from the crowd.

[Katie Nolan]

That's cool.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Really?

[Pablo Torre]

Yes.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

People just shout stuff out.

[Katie Nolan]

They got plants.

[Pablo Torre]

People hold up their headphones. They hold phones. I had like this.

[Katie Nolan]

Do they crowdsource? Do people get together and go, we should all.

[Pablo Torre]

Is it like improv where like they have plant? You know how you improv? People are always reading.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Make the whole thing.

[Katie Nolan]

People.

[Pablo Torre]

Ow.

[Katie Nolan]

Is it always sex stuff for Vampire Weekend too?

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Yeah, they just go.

[Katie Nolan]

Everyone says penis.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Okay, we're playing penis again. 2, 3, 4.

[Pablo Torre]

I loved it. I loved. I loved the.

[Katie Nolan]

What did they play for you?

[Pablo Torre]

They played. They played some Billy Joel.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Cool.

[Pablo Torre]

But I'm a guy who loves a wedding band.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Sure.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

This is like skill.

[Katie Nolan]

It's a real skill.

[Pablo Torre]

Yes.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Kelly Clarkson is as if if your wedding band were God herself.

[Pablo Torre]

Correct.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

That's what it's like.

[Pablo Torre]

But this is also our culture. Michael Cruz Kane.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Okay. Oh, Filipino.

[Katie Nolan]

Didn't even think about that stereotype. Aren't I one of the good ones?

[Pablo Torre]

I went to karaoke recently for the first time in like 10 years and loved it.

[Katie Nolan]

It's fun.

[Pablo Torre]

I. I used to go a lot big. I mean always, always common room.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Always big room.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Insane.

[Katie Nolan]

Not the new trend of get a private room and just you and your friend.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Private room only. I'm not. I'm not.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, this is interesting.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I'm not going to be out here, lights off. I'm going to wait for everyone in here to sing a song.

[Katie Nolan]

That is the worst part. But the payoff is and they all have to you and how you're gonna do it.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I tell you what. I have done private room karaoke with one other person more than one time.

[Katie Nolan]

That's fun.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I'm not gonna sit here and I'm not gonna wait for every Tom, Dick and Harry and Sheila Sarah and there's.

[Katie Nolan]

Only room for two of you in this town.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

That's exactly right.

[Katie Nolan]

I get it.

[Pablo Torre]

What is your song? What's your go to karaoke song? As a musical theater. You're also a musical theater person.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I will say something to add in this conversation I think is worth mentioning is my voice is incredible. So let's just put that out there.

[Katie Nolan]

That's fantastic.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I will same sometimes for both of us. I believe it sometimes genetically. Boys to men hard. So I'd say goodbye to yesterday.

[Pablo Torre]

See, okay.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Sometimes. Sometimes the entire score of Les Mis. And then, you know, I like a lot of Sinatra stuff.

[Katie Nolan]

I mean he has a lot because he gets to just keep getting on the mic. We only have like one or two because that's as many times as you're getting up there.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Because if you're in the big room, you're going to get to sing one song and then you got to leave.

[Katie Nolan]

I could tell you my what my private room and my. And my public room say song would be.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

You have different Persona.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. So public room song is Criminal by Fiona Apple.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Okay.

[Katie Nolan]

And then in a private room it would be. What is the name of that Paramore song?

[Pablo Torre]

Misery business is a question.

[Katie Nolan]

Yes. Thank you. Misery business is the one. Thank you.

[Pablo Torre]

Apparently this is.

[Katie Nolan]

If you don't put the name of your song Paramores directly in your. I know it's business of misery, but if you don't put it in there, I'm always going to forget what it's called. Sorry. That's how My brain works, but I just. It's like, that's what I'm here for. Let me get my money's worth. I'm going for songs like. And when you do hit them, you're like. Or the next morning you go, I thought I hit those. I was hammered by then, wasn't I? And people go, yeah.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

And you were into it. Self assessment of your own skill as a. As a songstress where we'd like, what's.

[Pablo Torre]

Your one to ten on a one to Kelly Clarkson.

[Katie Nolan]

Well, I'm not taking anything from Fion Apple if I. Even if I wanted to, but I'd say, you know, like, I could. That song I've done so many times at this point, and I know all the little, like, parts of if I'm having a good night vocally. Yeah, I'd say like a seven.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

That's great.

[Katie Nolan]

All right.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Seven with a good attitude is. That's. That's the karaoke sweet spot.

[Katie Nolan]

The best thing about karaoke, too, is that you don't have to really know how you did. All you have to know is how the room reacted, and then you never have to see it again. Which is why I got in almost a fight with a dear friend of mine recently. We went and did karaoke for her birthday. And while I was doing karaoke in the moment, fully in the room, I found out she recorded me doing it and sent it to Dan.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

And I was like, oh, that's fine.

[Katie Nolan]

No, it's not. I was like. I was. I was alone here. I was alone. I was in this room. And now he's, like, seeing me get way too into karaoke. I'm only here for your birthday.

[Pablo Torre]

Right. This is like when your partner finds.

[Katie Nolan]

Out, try to sing. That's so embarrassing.

[Pablo Torre]

This is like dancing your porn history.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, kind of, I guess, if you want it.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I don't know. I don't understand the reference.

[Katie Nolan]

Anyway, so it's.

[Pablo Torre]

I like Total eclipse of the Heart.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Okay, now, but Total of the Heart is. That's a. That's a. That's a long piece.

[Katie Nolan]

I mean, that sometimes gets a groan from the room. Pablo, you're kind of dominating the. That's like doing paradise by the Dashboard.

[Pablo Torre]

Here's the thing about what I got.

[Katie Nolan]

To set aside a whole block for you.

[Pablo Torre]

The thing about me.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

Is that I don't give a. Whoa.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Sexy.

[Katie Nolan]

Cool guy. Cool guy.

[Pablo Torre]

The thing that I wanted to bring to this topic specifically, though, as. As our culture is concerned, and these are now our obvious.

[Katie Nolan]

Want me to leave?

[Pablo Torre]

No, no, no, this is. This is karaoke culture. Katie Nolan clearly is. Is bone deep.

[Katie Nolan]

Yep.

[Pablo Torre]

This culture, I didn't like it. But this clip from the Philippines of a cover of Beyonce is it little.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Boys singing oh, my God. I know what the song is.

[Pablo Torre]

Michael, don't say another word, because the answer is obviously yes.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Oh, yes. Listen. It's Listen. By Beyonce. I know.

[Pablo Torre]

So to set the visuals. Four little boys, though the visuals are.

[Katie Nolan]

For everybody, but there are four little boys.

[Pablo Torre]

Vice Ganda is the name of the television personality host. So this is kind of like a tv. It's a TV show. Maybe the equivalent of a daytime. I'm just guessing.

[Katie Nolan]

Maybe like a Kelly Clarkson.

[Pablo Torre]

This is boy number one.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay.

[Pablo Torre]

White button down shirt. This is boy number two. He's wearing a gingham short sleeve. Now, boy number three has like a bomber jacket.

[Katie Nolan]

He kind of.

[Pablo Torre]

Kind of looks like me.

[Katie Nolan]

You. You wish he does.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I love when the accent slips in cost.

[Katie Nolan]

Alone. This isn't Beyonce, is it?

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I think so. Listen, it is.

[Katie Nolan]

Damn.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Point number one.

[Pablo Torre]

And the host, if you're not sort of catching what's happening here, is like playing them like an orchestra.

[Katie Nolan]

Up Pablo.

[Pablo Torre]

And also the sound effects. There's like a.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

It's like Zoo Crew sound effects.

[Pablo Torre]

This show rules.

[Katie Nolan]

That's close.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

This is the best day of my life.

[Pablo Torre]

I've been waiting to play this clip for any reason for a year. Oh, just the. The stank face.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I get booked on a fair number of literally Filipino comedy shows, and if they have the ability to show video, I always show this.

[Katie Nolan]

That's amazing.

[Pablo Torre]

Now we are all boy number four. If you just observe boy number four in the back.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

He's so happy. He's so happy.

[Pablo Torre]

So, you know, that's what a significant percentage of my genetic code is.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I think of that song as the national anthem of the Philippines.

[Pablo Torre]

Absolutely.

[Katie Nolan]

That was beautiful. What happened in my brain when I thought that wasn't Beyonce.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I don't know what happened to her. I think, honestly, those boys sort of unmoored it from her.

[Katie Nolan]

And it was theirs.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

It was a moment. It was theirs.

[Pablo Torre]

They Clarksoned it.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

You could say they Clarksoned it. Or. I mean, it's kind of. Now that I'm thinking about it, it kind of draws us back to Christopher Columbus.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, my God.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Something to think about.

[Katie Nolan]

Connected. Wow. Wow.

[Pablo Torre]

Vaguely Spanish people taking something as their own.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Yeah. Would love to see Christopher Columbus sing. Listen by Beyonce. Internet. Do your thing.

[Katie Nolan]

Do your thing.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Do your thing.

[Pablo Torre]

Internet. So the story I bring you today is a sports story, because this is A show about sports.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Yes.

[Pablo Torre]

Everybody knows that.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Of course.

[Katie Nolan]

Stick to it.

[Pablo Torre]

So I don't know if you remember this, but the NBA draft had a bit of a mystery, a bit of a scandal that was a thing on the Internet. And it's the story that I've been thinking about ahead of the NBA season starting in earnest, as the Utah Jazz in specific is starting the season tomorrow. And if you don't recall what happened, I want to tell you about Kyle Filipowski. Katie Nolan, what number of bells is ringing in your brain, however faintly?

[Katie Nolan]

Out of how many bells? I'd say it's ringing like two or three. But I don't want to be like, is this the guy who. And then be totally off.

[Pablo Torre]

He was a star at Duke.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Yes.

[Pablo Torre]

Okay. He was supposed to be drafted in the first round. He's one of those guys at the draft where it's like he's in the green room and everybody thinks he's going to be taken and he doesn't. And it's very embarrassing. And many cutaways to Kai Filipowski looking sad in the green room at the NBA draft. And in fact, like the scouting report had been 7 footer who can play multiple positions, quote, seems like one of the safest picks in the 2024 NBA Draft. And instead he is all alone, as the song goes.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

What song?

[Katie Nolan]

At a crossroads. I also was like, what's he talking about?

[Pablo Torre]

I was hoping somebody else would do well with me, but I didn't know the rest. You didn't forget that?

[Katie Nolan]

You didn't remember the words?

[Pablo Torre]

Listen.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Okay, I see, I understand.

[Pablo Torre]

Jonathan Gavoni, ESPN draft analyst. Explain why this happened.

[Jonathan Gavoni]

He's competitive. You know, the workouts weren't great. People tell me there were question marks about the interviews. They said he was nervous, he didn't make shots at the pro day. You know what's going on with his girlfriend? This is all nonsense. It's hard to find a seven footer like Kyle Filipowski who is this skilled. Somebody needs to draft him that way early in the second round.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Wait a second, wait a second, wait a second. I'm obviously out of the loop on what the. What the young kids are talking about. What's going on with his girlfriend?

[Jonathan Gavoni]

You need to girlfriend. She's like 25 or 26. And people are like, ah, this is weird. It's like, give me a freaking guys.

[Katie Nolan]

That's not the what.

[Jonathan Gavoni]

What doesn't talk to his parents. You know, like it's, oh my God.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I gotta get this guy in the Pocket.

[Pablo Torre]

So shout out to Zach Lowe, host of the podcast he does it.

[Katie Nolan]

I was gonna say, whoever hosts the low post obviously very good at their job.

[Pablo Torre]

During the draft, what happens is this story is revealed to be a thing that everybody in the NBA is talking about. And Kyle Filipowski's family, his brother Daniel, his mom Becky, they go on Twitter.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I saw this.

[Pablo Torre]

There is the bell.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

And so what Daniel Filipowski says is that his brother was a victim, a perfect pawn, a target for his girlfriend's lifelong. This is a quote, a lifelong scheme based on his human characteristics and growing potential as a high level prospect. And began a pursuit of him with this age gap in mind. His mom said that this has been a multi year issue. She is in her late 20s. She had an end game to put a ring on her hand when Kyle left Duke. He was still in high school at the time. And there's just lots of stuff that gets to the realm of like she is grooming him to. This is a Mormon conspiracy. And that was back during the draft. And what has come out since has been both messy and scattered. And something that I've been trying to report because I'm trying to figure out, as I do on this show, trying to find out what is the truth here. Like, did he actually drop because of this? What is the actual connection between his now fiance that got engaged and all of his controversy. Like, what is the story? And here are some basic facts that I want you guys to just, you know, reflect upon.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Okay.

[Katie Nolan]

How far as they're being set up.

[Pablo Torre]

You know, so Kyle Filipowski takes his older girlfriend, who's in her 20s, to prom and posts a photo, you know, one year with my favorite person. And this is a prom photo. And, you know, he's 17, she's in her mid-20s. So that's one fact. Okay. Second fact an NBA source tells me is in the last two years, this is now going back to Duke. It was known at Duke that there was a family room where like the relatives would hang out and the girlfriend and the mom would yell at each other in public. Just like real Maury Povich stuff, soap opera in front of other people. So this is not exactly subtle. Number three is in that. Okay, so Kai Filpowski is also the guy who, you may recall, there was a court storming and he hurt his ankle. And in the crowd, if you zoom in, there she is right there. She's in the crowd, like being very animated, being very angry. And so just based on this alone, I want to give you One more fact.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay.

[Pablo Torre]

And the fact is that his fiance's mom and Kyle's mom were really good friends.

[Katie Nolan]

Caitlyn's mom and Kyle's mom.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Were really good friends.

[Pablo Torre]

In fact, teammates in college.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay.

[Pablo Torre]

This was somebody that hung out with the family all the time, including family vacations. They started getting together when Kyle was a post grad year after high school, at boarding school, before Duke and Caitlyn wanted to, you know, get a job, move to Durham with Kyle. Kyle's mom called. Caitlyn's mom, tried to block it, and Kyle was, you know, objecting. And now you get the picture of a mom that doesn't want this relationship to happen. And the opposite happened.

[Katie Nolan]

Right. As. As often does.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

At least that's how it goes in.

[Katie Nolan]

The after school specials I was watching.

[Pablo Torre]

Yes. And it culminated in an email that Kyle sent to the family, basically saying, I'm breaking up with you guys.

[Katie Nolan]

Whoa.

[Pablo Torre]

And they're estranged.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh.

[Pablo Torre]

And the family, they blame it on Caitlyn, of course. And so this is a story where it's like, there is some there, there. But basically I talked to an NBA scout whose team would have drafted Kyle Filipowski, and they were like, bottom line is you got to be better than your problems. It's that sort of NBA scouting that makes sense.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I think that's sort of. I mean, you both know sports much better than I do, but I imagine that's just sort of. I mean, not even in sports. That's probably true in every situation.

[Pablo Torre]

So it's sort of like this guy seems like a mess, and so we're not going to take him because he's not good enough to justify the accompanying mess that we believe to be there. Even if, of course, this could be true love or something, you know, I don't know. Stranger, as a relationship dynamic goes. But it's just a story about how. How a kid has a significant other, a partner whose family he did not want to date. And that became the biggest story of the NBA draft.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

So wait, can you remind me?

[Katie Nolan]

His family didn't. Wait, what?

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I. I know, I know what you meant, but I think you said.

[Katie Nolan]

I don't think I did.

[Pablo Torre]

Oh, hold on. What did I say?

[Michael Cruz Kane]

You said a draft prospect who Family he did not want to date.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, and I don't want to date.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

My family didn't want him to date her.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a quick. That's a quick pickup on that.

[Katie Nolan]

Sorry. Pablo's on this new dating website where it's all people he's related to. So like it's very confusing.

[Pablo Torre]

I have a feeling we're going to leave that in now. You guys have justified my error with.

[Katie Nolan]

A bit as we do.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Remind me, sorry, how old are they again?

[Pablo Torre]

Kyle Filipowski is now 20.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay. So she's 24, 25.

[Pablo Torre]

And she's in her late 20s.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Late 20s?

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah. 25, 27, 28.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh my goodness. Okay.

[Pablo Torre]

There is the. The age gap parallel insofar as it's a gender flip on this.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

Younger dude, older woman.

[Katie Nolan]

And we tend to not take a gender flip as seriously as the other way around in certain areas.

[Pablo Torre]

Of course.

[Katie Nolan]

Men as victims of things like this.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah. And again, is he a victim? This is where it gets to no, no. But these are the questions that prompted angry tweets from family members breaking their sile public on NBA Twitter. And also now this question of but they're engaged and they're in love. It seems like. And maybe this is all like a family concern. The reason I throw it at your guys direction is like, is there any part of a family doesn't want you to date this person? And how that gets navigated and how that becomes disastrous. Is any part of that, dare I say, understandable how this happened?

[Michael Cruz Kane]

And I can say what it makes me think right away. It's not relatable to me insofar as I've always been better with the families of the people I date than even with the people I date. The families always stick around a little longer because moms love me.

[Katie Nolan]

You're a performer.

[Pablo Torre]

What's your handbook for charming?

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Well, you know what it is? It's just listening, brother. Just listening. You know what I'm saying? Just hearing her out.

[Katie Nolan]

If it's my mom, it's talking to her about me. You're in. If she says, oh, she always does this go. I know, right? It's so annoying. You're in. She loves you. She'll text you after we break up.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

My. I have a son who is 15 and if he was like, dad, I have a girlfriend and she's 20 something, I would be like, I'm gonna lock you in your room. You're never gonna see her again.

[Pablo Torre]

Right?

[Michael Cruz Kane]

That's. It's just case closed on it. That feels very. That feels instantaneous to me.

[Katie Nolan]

I'm wonder he got able to how this didn't get, for lack of a better word, like nipped in the bud sooner if the child. If the girl. The. The now fiance, as I guess we're calling her, was the daughter of her best friend.

[Pablo Torre]

One of her good friends. Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

How did this not. How was this not like, yo, get your kid away from my kid? Like, I don't want. Are we. Is that friendship now severed? They don't probably.

[Pablo Torre]

So. So, yeah, that. Yes.

[Katie Nolan]

And how. This is this. What is this? Romeo and Juliet? This love is so strong with these young kids that it's gonna break up.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

What I would say social dynamics now, flipping it around. Having been a teenage boy, I feel like if the. The first person I hooked up with in my entire life, I was like, well, this is. This is. Nothing will ever be better than this. This is.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I would kill for this person. So I could see how from his perspective.

[Pablo Torre]

Oh, totally.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I kissed this person. I will go to war for her now. You know what I mean?

[Katie Nolan]

I relate.

[Pablo Torre]

I relate to that part. The part of, like, my first girlfriend I wanted to be with for the rest of my life. That sort of like naivete. Fundamental naivete. What Kyle Filipowski has said, or at least what his mom says that he told her is that when he got back from his senior year of high school, he told his mom for the first time that they were going to be, you know, a couple, that she would. The girlfriend would protect him from other girls, drugs and alcohol when he started college at Duke. But the mother, according to her own accounting, was unswayed and began voicing concerns.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

She said she would protect him from other.

[Katie Nolan]

And that was a selling point for him. I'm not going to let other girls get anywhere near you.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

And he was like, in college, when you're on the basketball team, wild.

[Katie Nolan]

I'm not understanding this at all.

[Pablo Torre]

I mean, well, he was a very focused young man. He had dreams of making the NBA. And he was like, this is obviously.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Do we know if his family is also quite religious or. No, we don't.

[Pablo Torre]

Not. Not as obviously. I know they have, like, they're Catholic.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Because I could see that being a selling point if you are, you know, a commit. Committed to.

[Pablo Torre]

Can I give you a little bit of a twist?

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I love a twist.

[Katie Nolan]

I mean, this whole thing's been a twist.

[Pablo Torre]

Just a genealogical twist.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, good.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Oh, okay.

[Katie Nolan]

That's fine.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

We're going to find out that you're, like, part Puerto Rican right now. Is that what's happening?

[Katie Nolan]

He's no longer.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Not Spanish anymore.

[Katie Nolan]

Die.

[Pablo Torre]

Kyle Filipowski has a twin brother, okay, who's also a basketball player. He went to Harvard, played basketball there. That's how I knew of him in the first place. Matthew Filipowski and so it's not merely that he has excommunicated his, you know, mom, Mom. Nagging me like this is. It's as intimate as I can't be with, like my. My twin.

[Katie Nolan]

I think when you're talking about having a basket. A twin brother who is going to the league or whatever. And you also played basketball, and if you don't go to the league, it's just like physical evidence of, like, you did not work hard enough. This exact copy of you did it. But maybe you couldn't do it.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Maybe he had different priorities. Maybe he's going to be. Maybe he's going to be a much younger woman.

[Katie Nolan]

Maybe he is going the other way.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

And that is wonderful and good for him. Actually changed my mind. I regret having said, can we cut? Who do I talk to?

[Katie Nolan]

And while we're cutting, we could lose me not knowing that song was by Beyonce.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

I'm trying to give this the thought that it deserves.

[Pablo Torre]

I should. Spoiler alert. I don't have a moral to this.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, you brought this for no reason.

[Pablo Torre]

I just wanted to throw this at.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

You guys as like, you want to bait us into saying problematic things. It seems like.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Are we.

[Katie Nolan]

Is this. Are we in Scientology now? Is that what this is?

[Michael Cruz Kane]

That's how it happens.

[Pablo Torre]

I feel so clear grooming you guys.

[Katie Nolan]

Wow. Actually, I've known this for a while, but I still keep showing up.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I. I think, I guess my general perspective on it is young with old, not good. That's sort of my general pov. And I think, like, once. Once the younger person is like 30, then whatever. That doesn't matter. A 30. If you want to. If you're a 30 year old guy and you want to date an 80 year old lady, I say good for you.

[Katie Nolan]

What if you're a 30 year old lady and you want to date an.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

80 year old guy, if you want to do that, good for you. I say, good for you.

[Katie Nolan]

Good for you.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

If you're 15 years old now I'm.

[Katie Nolan]

Like, I think even the law frowns upon that. I don't think 15. I'm saying.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I'm not saying 15. 80.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, no. The law's actually fine with that. It's a weird. If you go, is that a loophole? You get grandfathered in.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

That's the origin of that. I don't think so. I don't think so at all.

[Katie Nolan]

This is. Please just have something flashing on the screen that says we're joking.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Can you cut. Can we cut that out?

[Katie Nolan]

No, I just feel like where People, where it gets interesting, if you are on the Internet as much as I am, is where when you get into the, like, area of, like, 20s and 50s, people get very. Like, you're infantilizing these women or like, you know, but then there's a still part of you where you think about who you were when you were 21, and then somebody, you know right now who's in their 50s, and you're like, what are those two talking about? How could they even possibly.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

What conversation could they have?

[Pablo Torre]

Right.

[Katie Nolan]

And so it's just sort of like Belichick was when I went, like, like, oh, yeah. First of all, thanks for waiting till you weren't our coach anymore. I do appreciate that. But, like, what.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

How old is his girlfriend?

[Katie Nolan]

24.

[Pablo Torre]

They met on a plane, I believe.

[Katie Nolan]

And that's a. That's quite a story.

[Pablo Torre]

23.

[Katie Nolan]

23.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

23.

[Katie Nolan]

And him.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

23.

[Katie Nolan]

That's the name.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

23American years. That's like, regular.

[Katie Nolan]

Yes.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Where it's actually. She's actually 40.

[Katie Nolan]

She's 23, and he is 72.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

72. And that's also.

[Katie Nolan]

And so it's like she. Yes, it's legal. Like, I always feel like people go, oh, what do you want? It's like, yes. No, it's legal.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

It's a moral question.

[Katie Nolan]

It's legal. But what are we. What are. What are we doing? Why? I need to see. And I don't know. Maybe I'm asking too much, but it's like, I'd like to see you guys genuinely. Let me. What, Sit in front of a camera for 20 minutes. Let me watch. Not in a sexual way, just like, let me watch you two exist together for 20 minutes.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

We're gonna throw our topic sounds away. The two of you have to have a conversation for 10 minutes.

[Katie Nolan]

I just want to watch.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

And we'll all get to vot see.

[Katie Nolan]

Then I'll feel better.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Yeah, but then I always.

[Katie Nolan]

I. What I always have to try to remind myself is, like, what I look for in a partner is not necessarily what everyone is looking for.

[Pablo Torre]

You're looking for a first runner up for Ms. Main 2024, which is what Jordan Hudson is. That's.

[Katie Nolan]

Her name is Jordan.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

How do you know it's pronounced Jordan. What are you. What are you looking at that convinces you it's pronounced that way.

[Pablo Torre]

How it's spelled.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Okay, go for it.

[Katie Nolan]

I want to Gio is the only.

[Pablo Torre]

Acceptable beginning to what you're J, O, Uh, R. Yep.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Predictable.

[Pablo Torre]

Oh, and the last letter is going to be N. Before that is in fact, it's probably just.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Wow.

[Katie Nolan]

I think you're being. I think you're belaboring the point.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I think it might be Jordan too.

[Katie Nolan]

I think it's Jordan.

[Pablo Torre]

I think it's Jordan.

[Katie Nolan]

I think it's Jordan who's never going to be able to pick out anything personalized at a Christmas tree shop.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Yeah, that's exactly right. Parents coming home with a. With a keychain that doesn't have her.

[Katie Nolan]

Name on it or that it says Jordan and they try to cross off the little top of the egg.

[Pablo Torre]

Been there. She might be 24 now.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, so then let me. Sorry, let me retract.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Retract.

[Katie Nolan]

That's fine.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I guess what I'm. What I'm thinking is it's possible that it's fin.

[Katie Nolan]

It is.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

That's.

[Katie Nolan]

I guess I think that's how I'm like. And that's why I'm like, show me. Cuz I want to be like. No, that is fine. You know what? That's fine. She is an old soul. This one time, not every time a three year old guy goes, she's an old soul.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

But her really. Her favorite singer is chubby Checker and they should be together.

[Katie Nolan]

It's weird. Look at her bedroom. She's got posters hanging up of insert old guy here.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Yeah. She wears pleated pants with suspenders. And this makes sense. I do feel like I like and I feel like I like the idea of if there's a certain age gap and we'd have to come to it as a society of like whatever it.

[Pablo Torre]

Is, there should be an American Idol.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

If X is greater than that number, you got to sit before a panel of people and have a conversation, make.

[Katie Nolan]

Sure we're on the up and up.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

That's it.

[Pablo Torre]

It should be like the Voice where our chairs are all backwards and we just listen.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Yeah, that's exactly right.

[Pablo Torre]

And then.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

And if we think the conversation is suitable, we spin around.

[Pablo Torre]

That's right.

[Katie Nolan]

That's great. Are you guys writing this down?

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

These are good.

[Katie Nolan]

These are ideas.

[Pablo Torre]

These are daytime Emmy award winning.

[Katie Nolan]

That's right.

[Pablo Torre]

Show.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Don't cut this part. Loop.

[Pablo Torre]

Is that something we're gonna replay?

[Katie Nolan]

That's something.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Is that something he said it was. Can you loop it?

[Pablo Torre]

Absolutely.

[Katie Nolan]

Like play it over.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Loop it. Play this part over. The cut parts. I was thinking.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay, now that's weird. This is a little avant card, but I like it. All right.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Thank you.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, you're welcome.

[Pablo Torre]

I feel like we landed in a place that did not cast total judgment.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Right.

[Pablo Torre]

Remained Open to the possibility that maybe this is true love. Acknowledge the reality that this is a sort of story that does totally torpedo your NBA draft stock.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Yes.

[Pablo Torre]

And also provides some maybe context for a Utah Jazz season that should not be clouded by horrible Mormon grooming allegations.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Yeah, I think so. We came to a sensible conclusion, which is that these two people should sit before a tribunal of judges that includes.

[Katie Nolan]

The three of us and perform their relationship.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah. That's why I can hit a big.

[Katie Nolan]

Red button, decide whether or not they're allowed to keep kissing.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Yeah, we. We get. That's what you. If you turn around, they're allowed to smooch. That's. This is the smooch. Maybe.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Something to think about.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Actually cut that.

[Katie Nolan]

Foreign.

[Pablo Torre]

Guys, what did we learn today on Pablo Tori show about finding out things to learn?

[Katie Nolan]

I learned that thing I thought I knew about Iceland is true. I don't know if we ever even finished talking about that, but it's good to know I'm allowed to continue to say to people, there's like basically a document or an app you can check to make sure that the other Thor's. Thor's daughter that you're interested in is not the daughter of your Thor.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, yeah.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Different Thor. We're tracking all the Thors.

[Katie Nolan]

Yes.

[Pablo Torre]

There is at the very least a Reddit thread attesting to.

[Katie Nolan]

And that. And so that maybe we. We. Oh, yeah, sorry. You're right.

[Pablo Torre]

It was a Red. No, no, hold on. USA Today backing us up.

[Katie Nolan]

And that's real. I've played their crossword so I can.

[Pablo Torre]

New app helps Icelanders avoid accidental incest.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. New app. When? Just so I can.

[Pablo Torre]

2013.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Wow.

[Katie Nolan]

I've been having this knowledge.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I wonder if before the app, how much accidental incest was happening.

[Katie Nolan]

Enough to make an app up.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I learned. Can I skip to me? I'm done with wow.

[Katie Nolan]

Sure.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I Learned that on Ancestry.com is that what it is? That your race can change? Which I did not. I did not know that before that. It can be like a week from now. That could be like, we thought you were, you know, Bolivian, but it turns out you're actually a Swede.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

And that's fascinating to me.

[Katie Nolan]

What did you learn? Did you say what you learned?

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, I learned what die is.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. These are all related. This happens every time we pick something from the very first story and nothing ever gets learned from this.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

After the first five minutes, I'm completely tuned out to what either of you say.

[Katie Nolan]

I was asleep.

[Pablo Torre]

That's not totally true.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay.

[Pablo Torre]

You know That's.

[Katie Nolan]

We leave that there. Just leave that right there.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Roll credits.

[Pablo Torre]

This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out A Meadowlark Media production and I'll talk to you next time.