Share & Free Skate & Tell with Katie Nolan and Michael Cruz Kayne

Summary

Pablo Torre Finds Out

Episode: Share & Free Skate & Tell with Katie Nolan and Michael Cruz Kayne

Date: February 24, 2026
Host: Pablo Torre
Guests: Katie Nolan, Michael Cruz Kayne
Network: The Athletic Podcast Network

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Episode Overview

This lively episode brings together Pablo Torre with comedians and sports commentators Katie Nolan and Michael Cruz Kayne for a “Share & Free Skate & Tell” discussion. The trio deliver an energetic, freewheeling dive into the joys and absurdities of the 2026 Winter Olympics—especially the breakthrough story of skater Alysa Liu, the weird realities of artificial intelligence and modern technology, and the fusion of sports, national identity, and personal resilience. Expect a whirlwind mix of sports storytelling, comedic riffs, and frank reflection on what authenticity means in an AI-informed era.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening Banter: Wikifeet, Privacy, and Free Skate Format

[05:10–07:11]

• Wikifeet Scores:
  Katie Nolan reveals she has a 4.97 rating on WikiFeet, with 655 ratings, kicking off humor about internet notoriety and privacy.
  • “Is that true? Do you have a 4.9?” (Michael, 05:15)
  • “I’d be fine with rounding it up to five.” (Katie, 05:43)
• Adventures in Algorithm:
  The trio riff on the odd recommended/ad content on sites like WikiFeet—ranging from forgotten ALF gifs to war-torn Ukrainian malls and mind-controlled objects—touching on the randomness of modern web browsing.
• Privacy Measures:
  Pablo mentions using a privacy screen due to strange public encounters and “pissing off powerful people.” (06:48–07:00)

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2. AI, Waymo, and the Reality Behind "Smart" Tech

[07:38–17:01]

• Self-Driving Cars & Outsourced Intelligence:
  Discussion of Waymo cars and the revelation that remote human operators (in the Philippines) are actually guiding supposedly autonomous vehicles:
  • “What you think is artificial intelligence and robot drivers is a bunch of Filipino guys. And I love that.” (Pablo, 10:34)
  • “I’d rather just eliminate the artifice… instead of you having to ring out, just so you know, 60 Filipino guys are watching you shop right now.” (Michael, 16:05)
• Amazon Go "Just Walk Out" Stores:
  The “frictionless” future of retail is similarly propped up by remote human labor (in India), not just AI, sparking a debate about the realities beneath Silicon Valley’s marketing.
• Tech Humor:
  Katie quips: “You know what else has a just walk out policy? The ocean. You can just walk out into it and this will all be over and you don't have to worry about any of this anymore.” (16:31)

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3. AI Hacking, Fake Superlatives, and Manufactured Legitimacy

[13:01–15:07]

• Fooling ChatGPT and Google:
  Pablo shares a story about a journalist becoming “the best tech journalist at eating hot dogs” by manipulating AI and SEO, exposing the ease of manufacturing notoriety online.
  • “Everything he wrote was fake... but he successfully became, according to... search engines and ChatGPT... this superlative.” (Pablo, 13:23)
  • Michael points out how press releases and online self-mythologizing can fool both AI and people into adding unwarranted legitimacy.
• Dark Side of AI:
  Katie recounts a personal anecdote about a friend falling for a scam based on fraudulent (AI-fueled) media appearances and passive income promises, highlighting growing dangers in the digital era. (14:02)

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4. Olympics Deep Dive: Triumphs, Underdogs, and Joy

[19:15–47:27]

a. The Story of Alysa Liu and US Figure Skating

[20:01–27:03]

• Breakdown of Alysa Liu’s Journey:
  • Youngest US champion at 13, broke new barriers by returning “on her own terms,” choosing her own music, attire, and approach.
  • Pablo: “The reason why sports are awesome is because sports are hard… the idea that you could surpass that while being legitimately joyful and self-directed is so rare in any aspect of sports anymore.” (27:22)
  • Katie: “She wins gold in, like, the most pure way. Even if none of that's speaking to you, the mental fortitude to not let the competition or the stage or the pressure touch you in any way…” (26:44)
• Notable Quote:
  “I think a lot of women are bringing up Alysa Liu to their therapists this week... After the Larry Nassar of it all…to see her and that performance...” (Katie, 26:28)

b. Olympics as an Antidote to Cynicism & American Identity

[31:06–33:16]

• Nationalism at the Olympics:
  The group discusses moments of conflicted American pride, feeling like underdogs in winter sports, and the weird thrill of rooting for the US against countries with greater winter sport heritage.
  • “I need these two weeks of joy. I need to believe in this country and I need to root for these athletes who don’t have anything really to do with what’s going on.” (Katie, 31:13)
  • Michael confesses to “becoming a rabid jingoist” during the Olympics, despite daily skepticism about America.

c. Absurdities & Scandals: Penis-Parachute Ski Suits

[33:16–39:03]

• Norwegian “Penisgate” Scandal:
  • Norway’s ski jumpers reportedly injected hyaluronic acid into their penises to temporarily increase girth, allowing for suits with more fabric, thus greater “parachute” effect and competitive advantage (suit is measured for fit at maximum size).
  • Pablo: “What they did was…injecting hyaluronic acid to make your penis bigger so that when their penis went back to regular size... you have extra fabric.” (35:34)
  • The group riffs on the wildness, with Katie imploring: “Please, can we move on?” (36:48)
• Olympics as a Stage for Weirdness:
  • Discussion of new events like "ski mountaineering" and "dual moguls," and the enduring drama and comedy of Olympic fails and heartbreaks.

d. Moments of Triumph and Defeat: Hockey, Slalom, Redemption

[29:25–44:05]

• US Women's Ice Hockey & Hillary Knight:
  Celebrating record-setting goals, redemption stories, and the emotional impact on fans.
• Slalom Skier’s Agony:
  A Norwegian favorite loses his shot at gold after a small mistake, walks into the woods, and collapses—a visceral example of sports’ heartbreak.
• Mikaela Shiffrin's Redemption:
  Overcame psychological turmoil and personal loss (her father’s death) to reclaim gold with a historic margin: “Some part of me was resisting this because I don’t want to win a gold medal without my dad…today, I sort of just accepted that this is what it is, and I let myself win this.” (Katie, 42:07)
• Value of Unfiltered Human Achievement:
  • Katie reads: “I'm not a sports guy. But it seems to me that this kind of genuine, unbridled emotional joy generated by actual human achievement and not data centers is something we really need to see these days.” (43:25)

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5. Broader Themes & Closing Reflections

[44:31–47:54]

• Sports as Authentic Human Experience:
  • Pablo and Michael reflect on sports as an “antidote to the AI of it all,” a realm where humanity asserts itself against a flood of artificiality.
  • Michael: “There are vanishingly few things we can assert our humanity in—and sports is one of them.” (43:46)
• Nostalgia & Self-Discovery:
  • Banter about sports fandom, Instagram pick-up basketball videos, and the “ephemeral” joy of life outside permanent documentation.

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Notable Quotes & Moments with Timestamps

• “Unlike the number 28, the three of us, we're greater than the sum of our factors.” (Pablo, 04:58)
• “What you think is artificial intelligence and robot drivers is a bunch of Filipino guys. And I love that.” (Pablo, 10:34)
• “Please, can we move on.” (Katie, 36:48) – after the prolonged penis-injection discussion
• “I need these two weeks of joy. I need to believe in this country and I need to root for these athletes who don't have anything really to do with what's going on.” (Katie, 31:13)
• “The reason why sports are awesome is because sports are hard… the idea that you could surpass that while being legitimately joyful and happy and like self directed is so rare in any aspect of sports anymore.” (Pablo, 27:22)
• “I like to end by looking directly into the camera.” (Katie, 47:57)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• [05:10] – WikiFeet rating, internet privacy
• [07:38–17:01] – AI, Waymo, Amazon Go, and the illusion of automation
• [19:15–27:03] – Alysa Liu’s Olympic story, female athlete empowerment, and US figure skating triumph
• [31:06–33:16] – Olympics, nationalism, America as underdog
• [33:16–39:03] – “Penis-parachute” ski jumping scandal
• [39:03–42:54] – Norwegian slalom heartbreak, Shiffrin’s victory, redemptive stories
• [43:23–44:05] – Sports as humanity’s bastion in an AI world
• [44:31] – Reflections on Instagram pick-up basketball clips and ephemeral experiences
• [47:54] – Episode wind-down and signature closing quips

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Tone & Language

The episode is marked by its signature mix of playful irreverence, sharp sport analysis, and genuinely heartfelt moments. Katie Nolan’s passionate, sometimes emotional storytelling stands out against Pablo Torre’s measured yet witty moderation and Michael’s comic timing. Together, they blend humor, awe, and a healthy skepticism about the promises and pitfalls of both sport and technology.

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Takeaway for New Listeners

Whether you’re a sports fan or not, this episode offers a vibrant, often hilarious tour through Olympic highs, technological lows, and the resonance of real human achievement. It’s equal parts comedy, cultural commentary, and deeply compelling sports journalism—always inviting listeners to wonder what’s really beneath the surface, both online and on the ice.

Transcript

[Katie Nolan]

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[Katie Nolan]

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[Pablo Torre]

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[Katie Nolan]

It's also how you get the hyaluronic acid out of your penis. You just put a pin in that

[Pablo Torre]

right after this ad.

[Michael]

Were we supposed to prepare something for today?

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, kind of. You're supposed to pick an Olympic thing you like the most. Good thing is I'm more prepared for this than I've ever been for anything in my life. And I can help.

[Michael]

What I did on the way here was I watched the. Oh, you want to start?

[Katie Nolan]

Well, start the podcast.

[Pablo Torre]

Are we recording?

[Michael]

I watched a clip of Stephen A. Smith talking about running for president and

[Katie Nolan]

my fell out of bed. I'm actually not prepared for that specifically.

[Michael]

Okay. I'm a fiscal conservative. I. I can't stand high taxes, but I'm a social liberal in the same breath. Because I believe in living and let live. I pay attention to the desolate and the disenfranchised. Yes, I like strong borders. That's absolutely true. We never needed open borders, but we don't need it to be completely closed either. We're a gorgeous mosaic.

[Pablo Torre]

Sounds like you're getting a stump speech ready, Stephen.

[Michael]

No, there's no stump speech. I can give a speech without a note in front of me.

[Pablo Torre]

Just. He's probably gonna be the president.

[Katie Nolan]

But also, it's like, there wouldn't be a reason not to say you're running for president if you know anything about Stephen A. Smith. It's like. If you're Hyp. Hype. He's a. It's like a fight.

[Pablo Torre]

He's a reasonable centrist who is socially liberal, but fiscally. But fiscally conservative.

[Katie Nolan]

Sure. Are we still buying that?

[Michael]

You just. You just can't. He can't. He can't. He can't run.

[Katie Nolan]

He can't run. He might. If he does,

[Pablo Torre]

watch out for him.

[Katie Nolan]

I don't want to talk about this. Sports.

[Pablo Torre]

These are the vibes I wanted to start with. They're not. We last saw each other in 2025.

[Michael]

No way.

[Pablo Torre]

Ew.

[Michael]

That's a long time.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. It's my birthday.

[Pablo Torre]

Belated happy birthday. Oh, my God.

[Michael]

26, 39. 39.

[Katie Nolan]

Zoom in. It's really the creasing of the under eye that starts to become a problem.

[Michael]

Yeah. 39 is when the creases really start to set.

[Katie Nolan]

Dude, I'm like. So powder is a no go? Because that's just going to get right in there. But that's otherwise doing fine. Thank you guys for asking.

[Michael]

Yeah, of course. Happy birthday. Whenever it was January 28th. Whoa. Know a fact about the number 28. Is this the podcast? 28 is a perfect number. Did you know that?

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, of course.

[Michael]

Is the sum of all of its factors not including itself.

[Katie Nolan]

Aren't we all? And isn't that a great way to again start the podcast?

[Michael]

Yes. Another perfect number is the number one that comes at the beginning of things like a podcast. What?

[Pablo Torre]

You know what? I think that Unlike the number 28, the three of us, we're greater than the sum of our factors.

[Michael]

Yeah, well, factors don't. Okay. Yeah. Yes, thank you.

[Pablo Torre]

The factors are.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, God. A 4.9 rating on WikiFeet.

[Michael]

Is that true? Do you have a 4.9?

[Katie Nolan]

Last I checked. And it was last yesterday, so probably this morning. Unless that picture of my giant clown shoes got out that I sent to you guys. I sent them a picture of my feet kicked up on the desk to show that I was here before anyone else. I wore very, very big shoes today. And so they look gigantic.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

A lug sole.

[Michael]

I don't know what that is.

[Pablo Torre]

4.97.

[Michael]

Holy.

[Katie Nolan]

I didn't know we were going to two decimal points.

[Pablo Torre]

Who.

[Michael]

That's huge.

[Katie Nolan]

That's a 4.9. It's. Might as well just be. I'd. I'd be fine with rounding it up to five.

[Michael]

Yeah. Does that mean somebody like. Is that one. One person? I was gonna say guy, but you

[Katie Nolan]

know what it tells you? How many ratings. How many people have given me a rating?

[Michael]

How many ratings?

[Pablo Torre]

655. No way.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, my God.

[Pablo Torre]

Is that more or less?

[Katie Nolan]

I haven't retained the number. I didn't think it was going to be that.

[Michael]

We're doing free product placement for wiki fee right now.

[Katie Nolan]

That's upse long.

[Pablo Torre]

Here's the promoted content rail. I'm going to screenshot this and show it in the episode. It is.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, God.

[Pablo Torre]

10 awesome 80s TV characters that have been forgotten to time.

[Michael]

Okay.

[Pablo Torre]

It's a gif of alf.

[Michael]

Great. That's actually great.

[Katie Nolan]

The next one is Nobody's forgetting ALF though.

[Pablo Torre]

Ukrainian malls destroyed by Russia comma images will break your heart.

[Michael]

Okay, Interesting combo.

[Pablo Torre]

Top nine, rarest and most valuable items in the world. Can I open that as a new tag?

[Katie Nolan]

Katie Nolan's feed.

[Pablo Torre]

And then can we interact with physical objects using only our thoughts? Question mark, answer.

[Michael]

Yes, probably.

[Pablo Torre]

And it's a photo of a person who, at a distance, kind of looks like Katie, but she has her hands wrapped around her neck and is screaming as loudly as she can.

[Katie Nolan]

You got privacy screen?

[Pablo Torre]

I have a privacy screen now.

[Michael]

Oh, Jesus.

[Pablo Torre]

Because I'm just.

[Katie Nolan]

I don't know, you're just out here moving in scary ways. You're pissing off powerful people.

[Pablo Torre]

Because I'm on. I'm on. I'm on planes and stuff and copy shops.

[Katie Nolan]

See Mark Cuban try to defend tanking on Twitter.

[Pablo Torre]

Of course I did.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. I just is like, what are we talking?

[Pablo Torre]

I don't want to start there either.

[Katie Nolan]

Sorry. Google all these people.

[Pablo Torre]

All these.

[Katie Nolan]

Welcome to Pablo Torre finds out.

[Michael]

Welcome to Pablo Torres. He's Pablo Torre.

[Katie Nolan]

He finds out I'm me.

[Michael]

And that's feet. Here we go.

[Pablo Torre]

So you were in San Francisco for the Super Bowl.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, and I ran into way more way mo's than I was interested in.

[Michael]

Holy.

[Katie Nolan]

Honest. I do not like. I do not like it. Put a driver in the car.

[Michael]

I want a person. I want a person all the time.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Michael]

I want. I'm not doing self checkout. I want a person.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, then I am doing. I am aligning with the robots.

[Michael]

That's the Waymo of cash registers.

[Katie Nolan]

I know. Okay. I'm not like fully anti having a human help me out. It's just usually easier if I just

[Pablo Torre]

go, have you been in one?

[Katie Nolan]

Never.

[Michael]

Nor have I.

[Katie Nolan]

Have you not met me. I'm not doing that.

[Pablo Torre]

I went in one for the first time. I was in LA for All Star Weekend.

[Michael]

Okay.

[Pablo Torre]

And it made me think to Michael, everything you just said of this clip that I saw recently, okay, because this is a video of the Chief Safety Officer.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, no.

[Pablo Torre]

Of Waymo.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, great.

[Pablo Torre]

A man named Mauricio Pena. He's been called to Capitol Hill to answer some pressing questions.

[Michael]

Yes or no. Does Waymo employ humans located remotely to help its vehicles navigate difficult driving scenarios? Senator, they provide guidance. They do not remotely drive the vehicles, as you stated. Waymo asks for guidance in certain situations and gets an input. But the Waymo vehicle is always in charge of the dynamic driving task. So that is just one additional input. But the human being. The human being helps the vehicle to navigate those difficult driving scenarios, Is that correct? Yes. Okay. So are all of these human operators located in the United States? Are they all Here? No, we have some in the US and some abroad. For me, that's fairly shocking. Waymo has critical safety employees who may need to intervene in a split second if a Waymo encounters an unknown dangerous

[Pharmaceutical Ad Voice]

situation

[Michael]

located in the United States. But they are outside the United States. In what countries are these employees located? The Philippines, Jimmy. The Philippines. So they are in the Philippines. Mr. Pena, that is completely unacceptable.

[Pablo Torre]

We're too good at driving. Yeah.

[Michael]

Have you ever. I mean, have you've ever seen driving in the Philippines, by the way? It is psycho.

[Katie Nolan]

Is it like a nightmare of like everything happening at once?

[Michael]

I haven't been in the Philippines in 10 years. Maybe things are different. But anytime I have been there, I would describe the feeling of being in the passenger seat of any vehicle as harrowing.

[Katie Nolan]

It is ab terrifying.

[Michael]

And the person driving has extreme confidence. And you're like going up a mountain and. And your van is like half, you know, half the van is on the mountainside and the person's just like gunning it along. And listening to Duran Duran Air Supply

[Pablo Torre]

tends to be the last sound you hear at an intersection in Metro Manila. This is, of course, the story of what AI actually is.

[Katie Nolan]

It's just people pretending to be computers.

[Pablo Torre]

What you think is artificial intelligence and robot drivers is a bunch of Filipino guys. And I love that. I love that. The chief safety officer went on to say that the actual problems were, of course you're hiring foreign workers instead of US workers. Do they even have licenses in America? There are safety concerns fundamentally of like, remotely like Katie. This is like playing Crazy Taxi, but you're driving someone in a car that you're not in.

[Michael]

What I don't fully understand is he

[Katie Nolan]

said it helps with guidance in difficult

[Michael]

situations because he says that the car itself is always doing the dynamic driving task.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Michael]

So I actually don't understand what the Filipino is doing.

[Pablo Torre]

I think it's a big ground and increasingly tan to beige zone.

[Michael]

There's like a laundry robot that's kind of a similar thing. It's like a. An in house assistant, a humanoid robot. But then it's also like, there's a guy. There's a guy someplace else operating this. And it's like, is that AI or is it just like. Is it just Charles just in another house doing it?

[Katie Nolan]

This all depresses me because then I think about how much of our economy is tied up in these AI companies and the fact that, like, if we admit that it's just a bunch of guys in the Philippines, it all kind of comes crashing down. So it's like we half have to pretend that the AI is so good it can do this, and then other half have to pretend it's not that talented and skilled, because if it is, then it's gonna take everything over and no one's gonna have any jobs anymore. So we're just in this really fun place where it's like, ah, either way, pretty bad. And so what I'd like to focus on is can we be done with those tiny water bottles? Those tiny water bottles.

[Pablo Torre]

The deposition water bottles.

[Katie Nolan]

That guy had the driest mouth. And I can tell he was rationing that tiny little water bottle. And I think the reason we did that is because we were trying to reduce, reuse, whatever. At this point, nobody's supposed to be drinking water out of the bottle anyway. Right now the little ones, you have to drink eight of them to get through a deposition. Can we just give the guy a full size bottle of water?

[Pablo Torre]

This was the Marco Rubio problem. Yes. The little death by a thousand tiny sips.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. So enough of that then. How's he doing?

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, that ended him.

[Katie Nolan]

Right.

[Michael]

I think AI is trash. I mean, I think there are some things that it's good for. Obviously. Like it's. It's a better. It's a better Google than Google. You know what I mean?

[Katie Nolan]

Although Google sometimes, Sometimes barely not in sports, it gets the number.

[Michael]

That's true.

[Pablo Torre]

Did you guys. Okay, did you guys. You guys. There's another story. This. I'm actually bringing topics as I've been.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

I thought we were going to do Olympics.

[Katie Nolan]

I'm ready.

[Pablo Torre]

We'll get to that.

[Katie Nolan]

Fly through everything episodes. Speed round.

[Pablo Torre]

So the BBC. The headline is, I hacked chat, GPT and Google's AI dash. And it only took 20 minutes. It's about a guy who. A tech journalist. Oh. Who established himself as. Here's the superlative. I want to get this correct. The best tech journalist at eating hot dogs. And everything he wrote was fake.

[Katie Nolan]

An oddly close competition. It was really tight.

[Pablo Torre]

I don't know if that's what I would have personally faked for myself if I could invent any superlative.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

But he successfully became, according to. Yeah. Search engines and ChatGPT. Google and ChatGPT. This superlative because he wrote about it and then just did enough with the search terms.

[Michael]

I think I've seen people do stuff like this where they create a press release for themselves. He's now hosting the best podcast in the world. And because it's in the text of a document that's on the Internet, AI will go, oh, this, this is the best podcast in the world.

[Katie Nolan]

A friend of mine got scammed this way and I pointed that out to her and we don't talk anymore. So this is like an exact, this is hitting.

[Pablo Torre]

What was, what was, what was the scam?

[Katie Nolan]

Somebody, somebody was pretending to be someone who had made millions of dollars off of YouTube by automating content and basically posting it. So it make passive income. Basically you're leaving money on the table because you can AI generate content that will post itself, will get a ton of views and you just sit there and let it rake in the cash. And he like paid for himself to be written about in a thing that looked like a newspaper. And if you got all the way to the bottom, it was like, this is not editorial content by the newspaper. This was paid for by this person. And so I just sort of was like, this isn't feel. It also is like you're calling me to tell me that you're going to start a YouTube slot page. As I'm like relaunching my own YouTube, it's like, I, I, I, I know a little bit about how it works and like what you're basically saying is like kind of messed up morally, but I also think this guy might be scamming you. And I have not heard from her. She was like, I have to go. I won't be continuing this conversation anymore. And I'm best friend.

[Pablo Torre]

Damn.

[Katie Nolan]

The effects of AI and the way people are able to just invent their own reality now is like really, it's terrifying to me. So I would like to talk about the Olympics, please.

[Pablo Torre]

Well, before we do that, before we do that, there is the other aspect of this story, which is where has it worked well? And it's like, oh, self checkout, right?

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

Do you guys remember the Amazon Go stores?

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. Are those not around anymore?

[Michael]

Amazon? More like Amazon Go.

[Katie Nolan]

They Amazon went away.

[Michael]

Did you want this kind of.

[Pablo Torre]

They had this just walk out technology in which you just walked out. You didn't have this. Oh yeah, this.

[Michael]

I remember they had this at the airport too. They still have it.

[Pablo Torre]

So some places have experimented, piloted this. I don't know if it still exists anywhere. One of the reasons why Amazon Go apparently no longer does it. According to this reporting, it was first broken by the information. It's that like the Waymo car, there was not some super futuristic technology that already eliminated humans. What there was in fact was people in India who were watching you shop on a camera and ringing up the items to make sure that they got it right.

[Michael]

It's Zoom cashiers. Like, supposedly it's the robot that's taking your job, but it's really the Indians who are taking the job of the robot. Or like the Filipinos. Honestly, more power to them. I say more power to them, but I'd rather just eliminate the artifice and just be like. Instead of you having to ring out, just so you know, 60 Filipino guys are watching you shop right now. They're checking to see everything. There are 600 cameras in here and it's 10, the Philippine, 10 per Filipino. And they're watching every angle of the store.

[Katie Nolan]

You know what else has a just walk out policy? The ocean. You can just walk out into it and this will all be over and you don't have to worry about any of this anymore.

[Pablo Torre]

I regret to inform you that the ocean is now also 60 Filipinos.

[Michael]

Oh, come on. I would love it. I would love if the ocean. If that's all the ocean was. What used to be the Ocean is now 60 Filipino.

[Katie Nolan]

I'm diving in.

[Michael]

All your titos and titans are in the ocean.

[Pablo Torre]

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[Katie Nolan]

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[Pablo Torre]

Speaking of what?

[Katie Nolan]

Diving, which is a sport in the Summer Olympics.

[Pablo Torre]

Speaking of oceans, of foreigners.

[Michael]

Okay, that's good.

[Pablo Torre]

We're getting closer. Bodies of water.

[Michael]

Yep. Keep going. You're almost there.

[Pablo Torre]

Let's talk about the Olympics.

[Michael]

Perfect.

[Katie Nolan]

What an Olympics we've had.

[Pablo Torre]

Katie Nolan came in revved in a way that has almost never been witnessed.

[Katie Nolan]

What? In this studio, I'm always revved.

[Michael]

Yeah, she's revved.

[Pablo Torre]

But this is a sports. This is. This is by the actual sport for the YouTube audience. Katie Nolan is revving. Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

I think they knew. They could tell.

[Michael]

They could feel it through the microphone.

[Katie Nolan]

Can we start by talking about Alyssa?

[Pablo Torre]

This is an episode about Asian people.

[Katie Nolan]

Sure.

[Pablo Torre]

And I would love for you to do that.

[Katie Nolan]

Sure. Alyssa. Lou, are you familiar at all?

[Michael]

Yes. She won the gold medal.

[Katie Nolan]

Yes. Is that. How much more do you know about her?

[Michael]

I'm telling you everything I know. She has cool hair.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Michael]

I think she pierced the inside of her herself. And then she was skating, and then she was like, I'm not actually having fun skating. She peaced out.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Michael]

She came back. She's like, you know, I'm doing this for myself. This one's for me. And then she won the gold.

[Katie Nolan]

She brought a gold medal to the United States for the first in women's figure skating for the first time in 24 years. It's our first medal in 20 years. We've been desperate for a woman to get out there and skate for us and bring home some hardware, and she did. And that in itself is revolutionary. And I know just enough to sell this woman and her story to you and why it matters so much. She was the youngest woman ever to win nationals, I believe, U.S. nationals. She was 13 years old.

[Michael]

Wow.

[Katie Nolan]

She then became, I think, the youngest woman to win it twice. She was 14. Then she went to an Olympics. She. At 16 years old. Think of how hard you would have to, like, focus only on this thing to get to be that good at it by the time you're that age, that young. So at 16, she was just like, I'm not gonna have a childhood. I don't have any friends. I don't know how to interact with people. I eat, sleep, breathe. Figure skating. And so she retired. She goes and travels the world. She, like, does not pick up her figure skates. She goes on trips with friends. She went to, like, base camp at Mount Everest.

[Pablo Torre]

Yes.

[Katie Nolan]

She's snowboarding on a trip with her friends two years after retiring. Maybe a year and a. And she's, like, having fun competing. She feels, like this pull of competition. And she was like, could this be what figure skating is? Could I do this with what I'm really, really good at? Instead of being so stressed that any mistake I make is gonna cost me every dream I've ever had, Can I instead go into it like, oh, I'm actually really good at this. Watch what I can do, and let's see if I can get gold with that. And so she came back to figure skating. Her coaches were like, uh, I don't know if this is a good idea. She said, I'm coming back on my own terms. I pick my music. I want to say in what I get to wear. No one's gonna tell me what I can and can't eat. When I tell you I want to push, let's push. When I tell you I need to take a break, we take a break. I'm in charge. Let's go do this. And her coaches were like, okay, she comes back. She wins, I believe, Worlds this last year. Cause that's when she got on my radar. I saw her short program, and I was like, it moved me, seeing the way she moved to the music. I believe, is it Worlds that she won 2020.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. 2025, she became the first US woman to win the world title since Kimi Meissner in 2006.

[Katie Nolan]

That's right. I was like, this is gorgeous. This woman is connected to that music in a way that it looks like I'm watching how that music would look if it could figure skate. Beautiful. Gorgeous. Stunning. She wins. Coming into this Olympics, we had three women who could potentially win. And a lot of it was riding on this woman. Amber Glenn, short program, first free skate. And it's like the combination of those two decides the winner. So they do the short program. Amber Glenn skates, makes one tiny mistake, but it costs her a lot. She goes to, like, 13th or 15th or something at the end of the short program. So everyone's like, oh, she blew it. Which, like, I'm like, those people don't get it. So she still has a chance for redemption. And she comes out and she skates, and she skates so well. Almost perfect. She ends up finishing in fifth. So a huge redemption story for her. Love that. Then we have Isabeau. She's younger. This is her first Olympics. She had a shaky skate, which is really uncharacteristic for her. But it's also part of her story, and it shows that she can grow from that, come back next Olympics, and maybe also have a shot at the medal. Nobody was really talking about Alyssa Liu. She had finished in third after the short program. The short program is the one I love. I love this song because the song is about romantic love. It's about somebody that you. It's. The chorus is Shake that thing, miss. I believe it's Shake that thing, Miss Joanna. No, the chorus is like, it hurts trying to love you, but I've actually tried not loving you. And that hurts worse. And then when you put it in the context of figure skating, that she tried to walk away from it and returns to it. I don't know. I've cried so much about this girl. So she comes into the free skate, and it's to Donna Summers, MacArthur Park.

[Pablo Torre]

The MacArthur park suite. Yes.

[Katie Nolan]

Yes. Which is perfect. Cause if you know anything about free skate, after watching the short program, you're like, I get why they named that that. And this one's long. This is a long. A lot of people use, like, three different parts of songs usually, and they'll mix them together. One girl used, like, a song from a movie, but included lines of dialogue from the movie.

[Pablo Torre]

And I just gotta say, I love that.

[Michael]

I get weird.

[Katie Nolan]

I hate.

[Pablo Torre]

I want the opposite of. When you're doing karaoke and it's instrumental, I want a bunch of dialogue, but

[Michael]

it's just that long bar.

[Katie Nolan]

Because that is the worst part of karaoke.

[Michael]

No, that's when you're fellowshipping.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, true.

[Michael]

Okay, well, you're not done.

[Pablo Torre]

Keep going.

[Katie Nolan]

So she. She skates to a song that, on its own starts out sounding like a ballad, and then it builds to. By the end, there's space sounds in that song. It's going like. It's like joy and triumphant and jubilant. And she has these moves in her routine that, like, you don't think. You know, you think of figure skaters. You think of, like, perfect. And she has perfect lines she won the gold, but she also gets on her knees and is, like, skating around and, like, showing she's having so much fun. And then she won the gold medal. And it's like, what? Every call, every interview, she's like, I don't feel pressure. I don't feel pressure. I'm excited. Excited. I'm excited to get out there and skate and show everybody. Then when she finds out she wins gold, she runs over to the young girl from Japan who just found out that she got bronze, and she's, like, hyping her up. Like, I think a lot of women are bringing up Alyssa Liu to their therapists this week. I just. It's a theory I have because it's just. I don't know, guys. After the women's gymnastics, Larry Nassar of it all, like, that was a gut punch to, I think, a lot of people. I'm not saying this is just a uniquely female problem or a woman thing, but they had to go through that guy to achieve their dream. He was the team doctor for the Olympic team. There was no, like, I would do this if I didn't have to deal with, you don't have that much power. So to see her and that performance, the one who won is the one who was like, when I want to stop, we stop. When I want to push it, we push it. You can't tell me what I can eat. An empowered woman just went out there and, like, she won gold in, like, the most pure way. It was so. And, like, even if none of that's speaking to you, the mental fortitude to not let the competition or the stage or the pressure touch you in any way.

[Pablo Torre]

That. That's. So.

[Katie Nolan]

She's amazing. And also, I want to stop talking about her so she doesn't. Nobody. I don't want anyone to ruin this or make her do anything she doesn't want to do. I want us all to leave her alone.

[Pablo Torre]

I've started investigating her already in the last five minutes of you talking about.

[Katie Nolan]

I just love her, and I love what she means for the sport.

[Pablo Torre]

This is the context that is making me.

[Michael]

You were very inspired.

[Pablo Torre]

The context that has connected all these dots for me, because I didn't totally understand until you just said all of that why this has been so affecting and why it's gone so viral is that in sports, there has been this ongoing movement towards total cynicism. And I get why I'm investigating often reasons to be cynical about all of this. I'm maybe part of the problem in that regard.

[Katie Nolan]

But we'll get to that some other episodes.

[Pablo Torre]

But. But it. The drought of women, American women not winning the way that would increase the pressure and cause any normal person to just flop sweat and choke. To have someone who overcomes all of that. I mean, the reason why sports are awesome is because sports are hard. It's supposed to be difficult. You're supposed to fail, you're supposed to choke, you're supposed to go insane, often, sometimes clinically, because it's so difficult. And so the idea that you could surpass that while being legitimately joyful and happy and like self directed is so rare in any aspect of sports anymore. Yeah, because it's also optimized now. It's also pressurized and strategized. And now I'm about to accidentally quote Grease Lightning. It's electrifying.

[Katie Nolan]

It is.

[Michael]

It's also that the athletes who are so special in a lot of ways, like when in moments where I've been like extremely high pressure and felt super stressed out, you have that like, attenuating of your focus where like everything is blacked out and you're into like actual tunnel vision. And, and then there are some people who, when you watch them, you have the experience of being like, oh, I think this person can still see everything somehow. And they like, are fully living in the experience of excelling at the thing that they were meant to do. And that is really like I, I watch the US Women's Olympic Hockey team and it's that same kind of feeling of like, man, they are like purely in like raw joy right now. And it's so fun to watch.

[Katie Nolan]

That goal was sick, by the way. And Hillary Knight being the one who scored it, the the to take them to overtime. Hillary Knight scored it like three minutes left and she set a record. She's now the record holder for goals and points for the United States. It just like. And she's retiring. So it's like, go like that game was also crazy and the best.

[Pablo Torre]

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[Michael]

There's also a weird feeling that I have watching the Olympics now, where there's a little bit of are we the bad guys?

[Katie Nolan]

I know.

[Michael]

Do you know what I mean?

[Katie Nolan]

So you're watching a USA Canada matchup, isn't? I mean, look, I've been letting. I've been giving myself this for the Olympics. I root for America. I root for America in everything. I'm not thrilled with America. I've got notes. I've got notes for America. But we get two weeks of the Olympics. If I root against America, I'm what my critics think I am. They think I'm an anti American. They think I hate this country and I'm ashamed of it. I love this country. I'm having a hard time believing in it. And so I'm believing in them for these two weeks. I know everybody's got their own line with where they draw the line on where politics or whatever of it all. And I know it's more than politics at this point, but my reasoning and my explanation is I need these two weeks of joy. I need to believe in this country and I need to root for these athletes who don't have anything really to do with what's going on. And they're. They are one of us. They are our brethren.

[Michael]

Whenever there's any kind of global competition, I'm proud to be American and always have been. But I'm not like waving a flag outside my house, et cetera, during the Olympics or the World cup or the Ing World Baseball Classic or what's the golf one, the Ryer cup, the Ryder Cup. Thank you. Whenever any kind of global competition happens, I find myself becoming a rabid jingoist. Like all of a sudden I'm like, to hell with Lichtenstein or whatever. Do you know what I mean? It rises up through me from the center of the Earth.

[Katie Nolan]

Yes.

[Michael]

But just because of the way things are now. I am like, oh, no. Am I?

[Pablo Torre]

Who?

[Michael]

What?

[Katie Nolan]

In the. Every zoom out and you go, we're the bad guys in this book.

[Michael]

Every single athlete. I'm rooting for them. Every single one.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah. But in the Winter Olympics especially. And this goes to the figure skating drought. This goes to the fact that we can't ski jump for.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, dude.

[Pablo Torre]

America.

[Katie Nolan]

We also can't do the shooting sport. I'm sorry. We can't medal in the shooting sport.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

What about that? Second Amendment?

[Michael]

Yeah. We got. We got kids over here who could do that.

[Pablo Torre]

We're underdogs. We're underdogs.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

Often. Yeah, Often.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

Not in all the things.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

But in a lot of. I mean, part of what I love is realizing how much these other countries desperately, desperately want any edge they can get. Like, my favorite Olympic story was the dudes injecting into their penises.

[Katie Nolan]

It wasn't. It was hyaluronic essence, which people are.

[Michael]

People are putting it here.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. If there's actually a commercial where Eva Longoria was trying to help people understand how to pronounce that.

[Michael]

Oh, good. I hope. I wasn't sure from the way you phrased it before, if she was looking dead in the camera and going. It's pronounced penis.

[Pablo Torre]

Oh, my God.

[Michael]

It's the way. Going back to the thing, it's the way I feel about being a Yankees fan where, like, there's some seasons where it's like. And we bought all the players. Everybody. We have everybody. It's, like, harder to root me.

[Katie Nolan]

I forgot this about you and you.

[Michael]

Sorry.

[Katie Nolan]

I'm in enemy territory, and I.

[Pablo Torre]

Sorry, Sorry. You're allergic to greatness, huh? Hyaluronic acid.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

So we've covered ski jumping on this show and the scandal around ski jumping that looked prophetic in ways I never dreamed was around. Crotch gate was what it was called before, because Norway, which cares the most about ski jumping.

[Michael]

And Norway's first. Right? Norway's first, yes.

[Pablo Torre]

Which is Yankees of ski jumping.

[Katie Nolan]

This is their Super Bowl. But there's love the way.

[Michael]

That's. I think that's great, but we should. Aren't there, like, seven people in Norway? What's the population?

[Katie Nolan]

It's enough that if you were to win bronze and use your platform to point out your girlfriend that you cheated on, it's enough that you go, that's. It's too much.

[Michael]

There's so many good. Okay.

[Pablo Torre]

I cut you off. Many good ones.

[Michael]

So. But you were.

[Pablo Torre]

You were in the penis the very short and long of it is that nice. The suit, the ski jumping suit is so aerodynamically calibrated that there are significant competitive edges in what is effectively a penis edging. A penis parachute. Yes. So if you can get your. Your suit to be bigger anywhere you get an edge because of the drag and the way physics works.

[Michael]

Okay.

[Pablo Torre]

And so what they do in this sport is that they will strip you down to your underwear to, like, spandex underwear, and they will 3D effectively, like, scan you like a TSA and measure your suit to your body specifications. And so in the crotch gate scandal with Norway, what they did was they had a sewing machine. We have video, a sewing machine, which they will. Just after you get measured, they will edit the suit. In this scandal in Penisgate, as it's been called in various spots, they were injecting hyaluronic acid to make your penis

[Katie Nolan]

bigger so that when their penis went back to regular size, because I assume it does. Because it's probably biodegradable and your body probably eats.

[Pablo Torre]

It's not a miracle product.

[Katie Nolan]

Right? It doesn't stay forever.

[Michael]

And it doesn't stay forever.

[Katie Nolan]

They're peeing. Go back to regular size.

[Pablo Torre]

Circumference temporarily increases girth. Your measurement is taken on that girth. And then you become.

[Katie Nolan]

Then you have extra fabric. When your penis goes back to being

[Pablo Torre]

tiny, when you go back to whatever is smaller than a pumpkin in the carriage metaphor I was going to attempt.

[Michael]

Okay. And it doesn't like. So there'd be no reason for anybody, like, to buy a bunch of this stuff, say, after this episode, and then, like, go and shoot in there.

[Katie Nolan]

You can put it in your penis. The reason that's what they're using and putting in their penis is because they're putting that in penises elsewhere in the world. If you want to get your penis to look a little girthier, you're well within your rights to go to a doctor. And they put hyaluronic acid into your.

[Michael]

I don't feel like acid should be inside my penis.

[Katie Nolan]

I don't think it's acid. It doesn't burn like that. I put it on my face.

[Michael]

Okay.

[Katie Nolan]

Again. And I'd like to move on very quickly.

[Michael]

Don't even. Just keep going.

[Katie Nolan]

Just go. So I just. It is a. I checked. They don't go through the tip.

[Michael]

I never would have once thought they went through the tip.

[Katie Nolan]

The guy who sees my radio show.

[Pablo Torre]

Where are they going? Where are they going?

[Katie Nolan]

I think they go at the base of the shaft. Please, can we Move on.

[Michael]

You would never put a D. Right? Put the. The needle into your tip.

[Pablo Torre]

My dad is a urologist. LeBron James, a Filipino urologist.

[Michael]

Even thinking about it is really heroic to me.

[Katie Nolan]

I know. I'm really sorry. We can move on.

[Michael]

Boy.

[Katie Nolan]

Something else I want to say 9ft of. When I saw the number, I was like 9, 7 to 9ft. Not their penis.

[Pablo Torre]

The. The.

[Michael]

Because like, that'd be really easy to

[Katie Nolan]

catch advantage of like in the air when they're like, you know, ski jumping is one where they're like, you know,

[Michael]

like little flying squirrels kind of.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, kind of. And it just gives them. It can give them up to seven to nine feet.

[Michael]

A nine foot penis would be very noticeable. It'd be hard to pass that off.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Michael]

Today your penis appears to be taller than your whole body. Something.

[Katie Nolan]

Did you get a haircut? Something's different.

[Pablo Torre]

Are you doing pole vault now?

[Michael]

No, but what you're telling me about this sport also. Oh, no, I guess. Never mind. I was gonna say that you have a natural advantage if your penis is bigger, but you don't. Because your penis is always that size measured to. Because I was gonna say the big penis. People have enough already, don't they? Don't they?

[Katie Nolan]

They don't need another.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, well, hold on. Here's the update on this story.

[Michael]

Norway won.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, Norway did great. Norway.

[Michael]

God damn.

[Katie Nolan]

Norway won at what?

[Pablo Torre]

Ski jumping.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, okay. Yeah. There's just so many different types of ski jumping.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Have you seen ski mo, the new sport? Schemo?

[Michael]

Is that a waymo that skis for you?

[Katie Nolan]

I wish. It's ski mountaineering. It's. I still don't really fully understand it. I haven't dived in. I've been fully into Alyssa Lou. I've watched that routine 16 times. The only song I'm listening to when I walk anywhere is the song that she dances to. I'm obsessed.

[Michael]

Shake that. Shake that thing.

[Katie Nolan]

That's right. Sean Paul. Tony Gonsolin. The. What was I saying? What was I Ski mountaineering. You have to ski up the mountain.

[Pablo Torre]

God's Lin is the pitcher.

[Katie Nolan]

It used to be a pitcher. Yeah, he still is. But you on the Dodgers. I don't know where he is now.

[Michael]

Ski. So you ski. You ski up the mountain.

[Katie Nolan]

Then you've got to take your skis off. You got to use the stairs. Okay. Stairs in an Olympic sport had me very confused because I've watched a lot of slippery stairs on ESPN. The Ocho that airs at like 2am they put soap on stairs and you have to try to get your way to the top these. They have to then go up these stairs and then I think ski down the mountain.

[Michael]

Boy, you ski up the. Is anybody. When you get to the bottom of the mountain and start skiing up, is there no one there to be like, buddy, you're going. You're going the wrong way?

[Katie Nolan]

I think going the wrong way is the whole point.

[Michael]

That's crazy.

[Katie Nolan]

I know. And that's a new sport this year. So they. And then the dual moguls is also new. That was really fun.

[Michael]

Is that this one?

[Katie Nolan]

Yes, it's exactly that. But it's two people at a time, which I love. They do that in some of the speed skating stuff too, because then you get to hear those two stories and they can really tell you a story as they make their way down the mountain or around the track. So it's two against each other. They've got a little jump right on their skis. And then they land and have to keep going on moguls. My knees could never. And then they do another big jump at the end. One guy crossed the finish line backwards.

[Pablo Torre]

I saw the Japanese guy.

[Katie Nolan]

It was sick. Sick.

[Michael]

But I like that one because you. It gives the appearance of kind of like gelatinous knees.

[Katie Nolan]

It's very. Pliability necessary. What was. What was the sport?

[Pablo Torre]

Oh, slalom, where the guy walked into the forest. Yeah, I loved.

[Michael]

What do you mean? It was.

[Katie Nolan]

Did you see when somebody put the Werner Herzog voiceover over it?

[Pablo Torre]

So good.

[Katie Nolan]

He. So this.

[Pablo Torre]

So Norway again.

[Katie Nolan]

Norway. Norwegian. He was skiing in the slalom.

[Pablo Torre]

He was like a favorite for the gold medal.

[Michael]

Slalom is this one.

[Katie Nolan]

Yep. And it's the skinny poles that you have to get on the right side.

[Michael]

Oh, one guy got hit in the right. One guy get hit in the.

[Katie Nolan]

I'm not following all the related news, but I believe. Yeah, there was. And so he was skiing. He was the favorite. His ski. I mean, you see, it's just like it's actively snowing. I believe when this happens. Maybe not, but it happened for a couple of the cross country women's races. It was like the Sweden one was nuts. But his ski goes a little the wrong way and it goes to the wrong side of a pole. And just like that, it's done. It's over. The guy who happened to be right in his eyesight eyeline when it happened was the coach of the guy who now was going to win because this guy is out. This guy also. He had found out his grandpa died.

[Michael]

The skier.

[Katie Nolan]

The Norwegian skier during the Opening ceremonies. And so he was like, I'm gonna keep going. Cause it's what my grandpa would have wanted. And then this happens. This is how it happens. This stupid little mistake is why he can't. And so he, like, throws his poles out into the snow, gets underneath the netting, basically walks out into the ocean. He just, like, skis off over into the woods and collapses on the ground. And you just see him, like, fold his hands on his chest and just, like, look up at the sky, and it's just like, yeah, dude, I get it. Yeah, that would suck. And you just watch him, like, sit in it.

[Michael]

Obviously, on some level, I get it. But the way in which I will never get it is you were this far from being the best in, like, indisputably the best in the world.

[Katie Nolan]

And it's part of your story.

[Pablo Torre]

It.

[Katie Nolan]

You know, use it as a redemption. Michaela Shiffrin, another great example, who has had three, did not finishes last DNFs. Last Olympics. 2022. She was, like, the one going in. All the commercials were about Michaela Shiffrin. All the commercials were like, michaela Shiffrin goes for gold. We saw her win gold when she was, like, 18 or something, really early in her Olympic career. She didn't finish three of her races last Olympics. People were like, what's going on with Michaela Shifra?

[Michael]

She's just.

[Katie Nolan]

She's wiping out a number of different things that just went wrong. She was just.

[Pablo Torre]

There's an actual, like, psychological story, right?

[Katie Nolan]

Like the twisties kind of 2020, she lost her dad, who was like, her. You know, he was at all of her races. She was trying to deal with grief, learning that it doesn't. It's not linear. It kind of hits you when it hits you. And then this Olympics, she won, and she won by a margin of victory that's so big that if you added up the margin of victory that this race has been won by in the last, like, eight Olympics, it equals what she won by in this Olympics. And she said after the race that, like, some part of me was resisting this because I don't want to win a gold medal without my dad. It's not something I wanted. She's like. And today, I sort of just accepted that this is what it is, and I let myself win this. And it was like, what a profound perspective to have discovered.

[Michael]

That's freaking beautiful.

[Katie Nolan]

I know. It's awesome. The Olympics rule. I love them so much.

[Pablo Torre]

I went in, admittedly being like, oh, I don't care.

[Katie Nolan]

I know. Grumpy and it's probably the cool.

[Pablo Torre]

It's probably overlapping with the Super Bowl. There's a lot going on. I. I am always underestimating what it is when sports gets to be bigger than just like the main things that everybody knows.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

Sports is this high school in which. Yeah, there are a lot of weird clubs. Yeah.

[Michael]

Well, it also is an antidote to the thing, the AI of it all that we were talking about before. This is like, oh, it's the one

[Katie Nolan]

thing dude, I have to read.

[Pablo Torre]

This might be left.

[Katie Nolan]

I have to read you this twee that I saw from a guy who was like, I'm not a sports guy. But it seems to me that this kind of genuine, unbridled emotional joy generated by actual human achievement and not data centers is something we really need to see these days. And I said, sounds like you're a sports guy.

[Michael]

It's true.

[Katie Nolan]

That's what sports is.

[Michael]

There are really obviously vanishingly few things that are like, we can assert our humanity in. And sports is one of them. And that's like obviously at the Olympics, but it's also at the Y on the weekend with your boys playing B ball. It's like one of the few times that you're not plugged into something guys

[Katie Nolan]

who are up to no good. Sorry, you said playing B ball and

[Michael]

it triggered your add got activated.

[Pablo Torre]

I will watch Michael Cruz Kane play pick up basketball on Instagram.

[Katie Nolan]

I would wait. I can't. Telling me it's available to me.

[Michael]

Sometimes you can.

[Pablo Torre]

And very much unlike NBC's Olympics video policy. We could use them on the show right now.

[Michael]

I think all those clips are in stories. So I don't think even. Even looking at as hard as they can. I don't think they'll find it. Exactly. And that's the beauty of it.

[Katie Nolan]

They aren't meant for this world. They're not.

[Michael]

That's the beauty of it.

[Katie Nolan]

Stay forever. Everything has to live if you want a video. That's why the rights to his Instagram story are so hard to get, because you got to watch them live.

[Michael]

If you want to see a video of me, quote, unquote, jumping.

[Katie Nolan]

Yes.

[Michael]

Maybe one centimeter off the ground.

[Katie Nolan]

Very much so.

[Michael]

You're going to have to be following me on Instagram.

[Pablo Torre]

So what do we find out today?

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, so much.

[Michael]

God, where does. Where to begin? Don't both look at me. You. What did you find that you're.

[Katie Nolan]

That you're a Yankees fan. I don't know if I knew that. Actually. I really don't know. If I knew that.

[Michael]

I mean, honestly, this. I'm like, we're going back, like, 20 years. When the Yankees started to, like, just collect all the most expensive players. I kind of dropped off at that point.

[Katie Nolan]

I was like, I thought you was gonna say that. That's when he got in on it.

[Michael]

No, that's when I got out.

[Katie Nolan]

Learning more.

[Michael]

Even the end of the, like, the Hideki Matsui time, I was like, I'm kind of done now.

[Pablo Torre]

Now.

[Michael]

You know what I mean?

[Pablo Torre]

I'm doing a Hideki Matsuian. A story.

[Michael]

You're just right about his porn collection.

[Katie Nolan]

You're doing more.

[Pablo Torre]

We're. We're going to put a pin in that. We're going to pin in that.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay. Sorry. We're going to pin in that.

[Pablo Torre]

We're going to. We're going to absolutely use the verb correctly in known.

[Katie Nolan]

The porn collection.

[Michael]

Put a pin in that. As one of the porns that he owns, probably.

[Katie Nolan]

It's also how you get the hyaluronic acid out of your penis.

[Michael]

You just.

[Katie Nolan]

Just put a pin in that.

[Michael]

Okay. What did we learn today? Today? Oh, God. So many things. Well, I learned a lot about Alyssa Liu.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Michael]

And I think that's fantastic.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah.

[Michael]

And the ability.

[Katie Nolan]

You should show her routines to your daughter, if you can.

[Michael]

I will. And also her interviews, too, because that feels like something. Yeah, absolutely. That feels like something.

[Katie Nolan]

It is. It's definitely something. What did you find out today, Paul?

[Pablo Torre]

I found out while scrolling Wikipedia furiously during your extensive research, she also skated to Les Miserables, which I love.

[Michael]

Oh, yeah. Alyssa looted. What song?

[Katie Nolan]

Or is that going to be in the gala? Because. Oh, and again, this.

[Pablo Torre]

In 2017. 18 or free skate program.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. It's old. Old Lou. Back when she was still. You know.

[Michael]

But Les Misrelies is a three and a half hour thing. What? Specifically? You can't just say she skated to a song from.

[Katie Nolan]

I would guess it's.

[Pablo Torre]

Let's guess.

[Katie Nolan]

What's the one. I'm thinking, what's the one?

[Michael]

I dreamed a dream or something.

[Pablo Torre]

Maybe the confrontation.

[Michael]

No way. That would be incredible. But no way.

[Katie Nolan]

Sing the pretty one.

[Michael]

I dreamed a dream in days gone by.

[Katie Nolan]

That's not it.

[Michael]

Okay.

[Katie Nolan]

Sing the pretty one.

[Michael]

On my own.

[Katie Nolan]

That one.

[Michael]

That one could be that one. Okay. Wait. Do you know who won? Who was the last person won a gold medal for the United States in women's figure skating?

[Katie Nolan]

Yes. But I. But I. But this is mean, because I don't remember her name right now. Because it was. Right. It Was the woman after Tara Lipinski?

[Michael]

Yes. I found this out because I. In my mind, I had made it Michelle Kwan. But it wasn't.

[Katie Nolan]

No, not even.

[Michael]

No, it was. I think her name is Sarah Hughes.

[Pablo Torre]

Sarah Hughes.

[Katie Nolan]

Exactly right.

[Pablo Torre]

Yale.

[Michael]

She did go to Yale.

[Katie Nolan]

How is that what you found out on this podcast when we've just had to look?

[Michael]

No, I found that. That's not what I found out on this podcast. Something. That's something I knew coming in here today. Because what I keep up on always. I'm always up on who the last woman was to win a gold medal in really US figure skating.

[Katie Nolan]

Nice.

[Michael]

Yeah. And now it's Alyssa Lou, but before that, it was Sarah Hughes, and before that it was Tara Lipinski. Tara Lipinski.

[Pablo Torre]

I think that's the show.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

And much like artificial intelligence, much like any waymo. Much like any number of technologies that I want to split open now just to see what's inside the Boston Dynamics robot. This program, I'm proud to say, is also largely a bunch of Filipino dudes and their friend.

[Michael]

Yeah, that's right.

[Katie Nolan]

Sick. Happy to be this friend.

[Michael]

As it should be.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

I think we have to stop.

[Katie Nolan]

I like to end by looking directly into the camera.

[Pablo Torre]

This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out a Meadowlark Media production. And I'll talk to you next time.

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