Share & Goon & Tell with Desus Nice and Katie Nolan (NSFW)

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Pablo Torre Finds Out

Episode: Share & Goon & Tell with Desus Nice and Katie Nolan (NSFW)

Date: November 11, 2025
Guests: Desus Nice, Katie Nolan
Host: Pablo Torre

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Episode Overview

This episode dives headlong into the bizarre, subcultural world of "gooning"—a phenomenon popularized by a recent longform article in Harper’s Magazine. With guests Desus Nice and Katie Nolan, Pablo Torre takes a jokey, curious, and at times genuinely compassionate approach to the subject. The trio unpacks the origins, rituals, psychology, and communal dynamics of gooning, using humor and personal insight to reflect on how digital-age sexuality, isolation, and online communities intersect. Along the way, they reflect on broader themes of loneliness, shame, stigma, and sexual expression.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Initial Banter and Setting the Stage

• Pablo, Desus, and Katie reunite, exchanging casual banter and discussing Halloween-size Starbursts and kitchen injuries (02:21–03:35).
• Desus is teased as the “Representative of Gooning,” setting the playful tone for diving into the subject (02:35–02:45).

2. Introducing "Gooning" (05:23–06:52)

• Reference to the recent "gooning bible" Harper's Magazine article that brought mainstream attention to the phenomenon.
• Pablo explains: “Gooning… is not merely like this dystopian form of, I would say, pandemic inspired isolationism… but it seems like the core of it is this knowledge that if your friends and colleagues knew that you were up to this, they would be horrified.” (06:20)

3. Definitions and Mechanics of Gooning

• Katie reads from the article: “The act itself resembles edging… but gooning is more goal oriented and more communal. The Gooner goons to reach the goon state, a supposed zone of total ego, death or bliss… likened to advanced meditation…” (07:13–07:18)
• Desus likens the “goon state” to a "runner’s high" (07:57).
• Discussion on how the community stretches masturbation to communal, competitive, marathon-like levels—sometimes involving hours or days of effort.

4. Psychology & Gender Differences

• Katie contrasts male and female experiences, saying, “Women can finish and keep going… whereas I imagine if you want to go for a long time as a man, you have to not.” (08:39–09:18)
• This segues into discussion of why edging/denial is central to gooning and the (often male) compulsion for sustained, unfulfilled pleasure.

5. Statistics & The Pandemic’s Impact

• Pablo shares the median age of sexually active gooners (27), and non-sexually active (23). References the role of lockdowns in shaping digital sexuality: “you had people who... came in a cage, they didn’t come public.” (14:35–14:46)

6. Porn Music Video (PMV) Culture

• PMVs: Gooners remix existing porn into high-speed compilations set to music, with “hundreds of separate clips” and degrading “direct-to-viewer” narration (12:25–13:02).
• Notable “artists” like “Noodle Dude” thrive in this subculture, releasing PMVs with "Swifty-like enthusiasm" among fans (15:48–16:08).

7. Communal Aspects: Goon Caves, Tournaments, and Sharing

• The trio marvels at “goon caves”: rooms with multiple monitors, for marathon group or solo sessions (19:14–20:21).
• Pablo explains “feeding” or “goon fuel,” when one gooner sends clips to sustain another’s session: “It’s meant also to be referred to as goon fuel… Sometimes they’re gifs, goon caps.” (20:38–20:53)
• Jokes about “goon tournaments,” competitive collection/sharing, and the generational shift towards open talk about communal masturbation (17:51–18:54).

8. Reflections on Online Porn & Sexuality

• Desus, who previously worked in porn server administration, laments porn’s pervasiveness: “Now, like you said, there’s way too much porn… Even I’m like, damn, let me mute this.” (22:04–22:41)
• The group discusses the desensitizing effect of ubiquitous, extreme content and the challenges for young people constantly exposed to it (22:44–23:19).

9. Social Media & Fetish Communities

• Katie describes her experience as an early sports media woman targeted by foot fetishists: “...my first experience of being on sports TV and the amount of, like, sexual foot stuff that was sent to me from real names on their real accounts… you guys are out here.” (30:12–30:30)
• Discussion of platforms like Twitter/TikTok as hubs for both overt and disguised erotic content, and the ease with which people now find niche communities online (28:20–30:05).

10. WikiFeet, Shame, and Body Image

• Pablo brings up Katie’s WikiFeet rating (4.97/5), sparking jokes and candid talk about online objectification (31:03–32:25).
• Katie: “There’s also a picture on there that isn’t my feet that I’ve been trying to get taken down.” (31:12–31:18)

11. Underlying Loneliness & Anxiety

• The trio grapples with the deeper psychological roots of gooning: sexual anxiety, fear of intimacy, and social withdrawal—exacerbated by digital life and pandemic isolation:
• “What if she’s bored by what he’s doing but too polite to tell him? Worse, what if she’s uncomfortable with the entire situation? ...I just feel like it’s exhausting, he says, for both parties.” (35:03–35:50)

12. Hope, Cynicism, and the Future of Porn

• Pablo predicts a return to analog, vintage porn as a backlash to endless digital stimulation: “Small batch pornography… vintage pornography is going to become valuable because it feels like it’s the opposite of the always on...” (33:55–34:25)
• Katie cautions against shaming, adding wryly: “If you want to feel shamed by me… you can pay me.” (34:28–34:33)
• They question whether gooning, for some, is a harmless coping mechanism amidst an epidemic of loneliness—or a sign of deeper malaise.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the surreal aim of gooning:
  “The Gooner goons to reach the goon state, a supposed zone of total ego, death or bliss… likened to advanced meditation… hours or even days at a time.”
  — Katie Nolan (07:13–07:18, quoting the article)

• On isolation and digital sexuality:
  “You had people who like came of age such that they came in a cage, they didn’t come public.”
  — Pablo Torre (14:35–14:46)

• On PMVs:
  “They may contain hundreds of separate clips. And in a lot of these videos, apparently there’s a voice that addresses the viewer directly, calling them porn addicts, pathetic Gooners…”
  — Pablo Torre (12:31–12:42)

• On goon “feeding”:
  “It’s meant also to be referred to as goon fuel… you know, these are short clips. Sometimes they’re gifs. Goon caps.”
  — Pablo Torre (20:38–20:53)

• Desus on his porn server days:
  “I used to be in charge of the back end of server administration… terabytes of porn. And even then I was like, wow, this is a lot of porn. This is. But now, like you just said, there’s way too much porn.”
  — Desus (22:04–22:41)

• On PMV artistry:
  “He’s known for…the sucking and/or thrusting in each clip, sinking to the beat.”
  — Pablo Torre (16:22–16:30)

• On sexual anxiety:
  “Turns out that what most frightens this particular Gooner about sex is the impossibility of ever knowing what’s really going on in your partner’s or anyone else’s head.”
  — Pablo Torre (35:19–35:50)

• On the bleakness of it all:
  “Just felt kind of bleak… now you know about it and it’s going to bother you. And guess what? You’re part of it now and you can’t escape it. And now you’re burdened with this information.”
  — Desus (33:34–33:55)

• On hopeful perspectives:
  “There’s an epidemic of loneliness and there’s people out there that if they need this to get through life, maybe it helps them…perhaps it will provide something for people who are missing something that we don’t see…this might, God forbid, save lives.”
  — Desus (39:43–40:27)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Opening & Banter – 02:21–03:35
• Definition of Gooning – 06:00–07:56
• Article Excerpts/PMV Culture – 12:25–16:08
• Goon Caves & Community – 19:14–20:21
• Social Media & Fetishes – 28:20–31:03
• WikiFeet unpacked – 31:03–32:25
• Psychology, Anxiety, and Stigma – 34:25–36:05
• Group Reflections – 39:07–41:36

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Tone & Atmosphere

The episode is frank, irreverent, and intellectual all at once—a blend of shocked curiosity, genuine empathy, and relentless humor. There’s an undercurrent of worry about the psychological effects of extreme online culture, but also openness to exploring even the most taboo topics without shaming—in true Pablo Torre Finds Out fashion.

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Final Takeaways

• Gooning, while bizarre and alienating to many, opens up conversation about modern porn consumption, loneliness, sexual anxiety, and the ways online communities shape young people’s sexuality.
• Despite the bleakness, the hosts find a silver lining—acknowledging the importance of not shaming sexual outliers, and perhaps even the solace some find in such communities.
• In the end, the group wishes for healthier, more connected expressions of sex and pleasure—but their irony-laced sympathy is never far from a punchline.

Closing thought from Katie Nolan:
“Just come on, babe. Just come.” (41:34)

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Transcript

[Pablo Torre]

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[Katie Nolan]

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[Pablo Torre]

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[Desus]

Is it out of ten?

[Katie Nolan]

Out of five? How dare you.

[Pablo Torre]

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[Pablo Torre]

Yo.

[Desus]

Just talking about you.

[Katie Nolan]

I haven't seen you in so long. I haven't seen you. Good, Fine. How have you been?

[Pablo Torre]

Good.

[Desus]

Good.

[Katie Nolan]

It's a nice color.

[Desus]

My God.

[Pablo Torre]

Thanks for coming in, man.

[Desus]

Thanks for doing this.

[Katie Nolan]

Am I here? Am I here? Thanks for doing this like you're the Representative of Gooning. And you're ready to talk about it?

[Desus]

Oh, no, that's.

[Katie Nolan]

Thanks for doing this.

[Desus]

Very disturbing.

[Pablo Torre]

The ambassador from halfway through that article.

[Katie Nolan]

That is.

[Pablo Torre]

It's a lot.

[Katie Nolan]

It's tough.

[Desus]

It is a lot, Katie.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, why not? Oh, you don't even trust us to do that.

[Pablo Torre]

No, they've taken that.

[Katie Nolan]

That's crazy.

[Pablo Torre]

They take the steering wheel from me here now they really don't trust me.

[Katie Nolan]

This is exactly what I hope for when I open a Halloween size starburst. Those are the two I'm pulling for. And I got them. Don't thumbs down me. It's cause you can eat them at the same time. If you're a real freak like me. You take them and you twist them into like a twisty thing.

[Desus]

And then you two starbursts. Mandani's New York. You see? Starting already.

[Katie Nolan]

Starting already.

[Pablo Torre]

Miscegenating starbursts.

[Katie Nolan]

What? Are we gonna be using words like that this whole time? Yeah, listen, miscegenating.

[Pablo Torre]

I mean, that's misogyny speaking.

[Katie Nolan]

Thank you. Thank you. I burnt myself cooking.

[Desus]

What were you cooking?

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, I don't remember. I don't do it a lot, but I put my arm up against the side of the oven. You're not supposed to do that. Wouldn't recommend it.

[Pablo Torre]

Is that. That's a fresh wound.

[Katie Nolan]

It was last week sometime.

[Pablo Torre]

Oh, I see it now.

[Katie Nolan]

Last week at some point.

[Desus]

Like any. I like anything on it.

[Katie Nolan]

Like you were gonna say ibuprofen.

[Desus]

I was gonna say it. It's not ibuprofen. What's the other thing? It's the.

[Katie Nolan]

I know what you're talking about, but I don't. We both have gum in our mouth too, right? We're both not being good at this.

[Desus]

No. New York is back, man. Spit this outside.

[Katie Nolan]

I was drinking a beer with Kathy Hochul. That's how you say it?

[Pablo Torre]

Honestly, a pretty good hang.

[Desus]

I can see it. She had the jacket on.

[Pablo Torre]

No chance. She was dressed in her bills regalia.

[Desus]

She looked like a member of Griselda. I was like.

[Katie Nolan]

I couldn't believe when she said that the. She thought tax the rich was. Let's go.

[Pablo Torre]

Bills.

[Desus]

You know what? I don't think every now and then when you have your family together, someone says something whack. And everyone just keeps talking.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Desus]

And that was that. All right, all right, all right. This might be auntie's last unsupervised visit.

[Pablo Torre]

I do. I do hope Curtis Lewis sticks around, though.

[Desus]

He's not going. He's Been here since like, he lives in the subway. I think he was like the second resident in New York. He's not going anywhere. The original guardian angels were raccoons. So he's just going to keep running around.

[Pablo Torre]

They had little red berets.

[Desus]

It was cute until it wasn't.

[Katie Nolan]

It's a hell of a hat not seeing fashion risks like that being taken elsewhere.

[Pablo Torre]

Should we talk about gooning?

[Desus]

Why not, baby? Let's go.

[Paige Desorbo]

Away.

[Katie Nolan]

I assumed that's what you were doing.

[Desus]

Yes.

[Katie Nolan]

I assume we're here to talk about that big gooning bible that was published the other. The big piece that had everybody talking about the gooning.

[Pablo Torre]

The greatest contribution to the western canon in the history of gooning literature.

[Desus]

Great and disturbing reporting.

[Katie Nolan]

Yes, yes.

[Desus]

It's just like when you watch National Geographic and you just find out about a world that completely exists and you knew nothing about it.

[Katie Nolan]

I didn't even know they made horses like that. You know, it's like I didn't even know that was happening.

[Desus]

The toilets flush backwards. Yeah, it's that kind of thing. But now it's just like, hey, do you know everything about masturbation? Turn it on its head and throw it out. Because we doing something different here.

[Pablo Torre]

I want to describe and define it.

[Katie Nolan]

I think you should. I think you should. You should do a lot of the unpacking.

[Desus]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

Well, just to take a back in time, goon as a premise, as a word, meant something very different. I would say, in fact, there's a.

[Katie Nolan]

Whole hockey movie named it that now I feel like you'd be like, I'm embarrassed. My movie's named jerking off.

[Pablo Torre]

So I should say that gooning, if we're going to cut to the chase of it, it is not merely like this dystopian form of, I would say, pandemic inspired isolationism that also has like this strange community that's now truly built around it. Subterranean, almost like culture around communal masturbating. There is that, but it seems like the core of it is this knowledge that if your friends and colleagues knew that you were up to this, they would be horrified.

[Desus]

Interesting.

[Pablo Torre]

Like Goon world as it has been described in this. And I gotta say this. This is in Harper's Magazine. Yes.

[Katie Nolan]

Guniverse, I feel like was right.

[Pablo Torre]

That was right There, there.

[Desus]

Yeah. Goon world also sounds like the worst amusement park.

[Katie Nolan]

Welcome to goon world.

[Desus]

You're not getting a lot. You don't want a lot of souvenirs there.

[Katie Nolan]

Watch out. Don't sit there.

[Desus]

The wave pool is different.

[Pablo Torre]

There is A term called the Goon state. And the Gooner goons to reach the Goon state.

[Katie Nolan]

I highlighted this. This is where I basically stopped reading the goon state. The act itself resembles edging, repeatedly bringing oneself to the point of climax without actually climaxing. But gooning is more goal oriented and more communal. The Gooner Goons to reach the goon state, a supposed zone of total ego, death or bliss that some liken to advanced meditation, the attainment of which compels them to masturbate for hours or even days at a time.

[Desus]

The Gooner goons to meet the goons. It's like a Kid Cudi song right there. Day and night. Like indeed.

[Pablo Torre]

Truly.

[Desus]

Wow.

[Pablo Torre]

Truly. Day and night.

[Desus]

And it's like. I guess the Gooner state is like a runner's high. They said.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, it's like a runner's high. It's like meditation. It's like a flow state without the flow, I guess.

[Pablo Torre]

And what the article suggests is that most Gooners do not actually successfully get to, you know, get eight to 12 hours at a time to masturbate regularly. They do that apparently a few times a month. The rest of the time masturbating four. An average of two or three hours a day.

[Desus]

Wow. So set a little party full for that, huh?

[Katie Nolan]

That's a long time.

[Desus]

That is.

[Katie Nolan]

Now we also have to establish, as a woman chiming in on this.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

That where men and women, I think, differ in this world, in this universe.

[Pablo Torre]

There are no women in the Goon.

[Katie Nolan]

Sure. And that's. Oh, here I am being shocked. Really.

[Pablo Torre]

Wow.

[Katie Nolan]

Women can. Can finish and keep going. Whereas I imagine if you want to go for a long time as a man, you have to not because you can't go and then keep going and going and going a bunch the way that a woman. Maybe I should be saying some women, I don't know, could of like. It doesn't. It's not like once you've once. It's once the toothpaste is out of the tube, there's no more toothpaste. A woman could do it for hours at a time just for the fun of it. Having a bunch of them throughout.

[Desus]

Right. No, this is. You got to do like. You got to do like the movie Speed. It's almost crazier right there. It's crazier to me to do it.

[Katie Nolan]

For hours and not ever get to do it.

[Desus]

That doesn't sound. I mean, from a male standpoint, that does not sound fun or pleasurable. But I believe that used to be called blue balls. But now that's what you want to achieve. Blue ball nirvana.

[Pablo Torre]

There is a survey of gooners that is at the core of this.

[Katie Nolan]

Responsive. That's important.

[Pablo Torre]

Yes.

[Katie Nolan]

They showing up to the polls.

[Pablo Torre]

Harper's Magazine exit polls are terrifying.

[Desus]

I love how question number six was like, to show you're paying attention, just say pink right here.

[Pablo Torre]

The survey respondents, about 100 of them told Harper's magazine about the goon state quote. It's like being high. While high. Intense bliss, pure happiness and love. It's so beautiful. It's sublime. Like being washed away. It's like I'm in anti gravity or covered in liquid. Tingles all over me. Brain fuzzy, skin tingling all over. No fears about coming because this was the real pleasure I was after. And I couldn't come at that point if I wanted to anyway.

[Katie Nolan]

What? Of course you want to. Who's ever like, I don't want to come.

[Desus]

I don't think this is too good to come.

[Katie Nolan]

I don't want to come. What do you mean? That's supposed to be the.

[Desus]

Oh, geez, baby. Too hot for me to come.

[Katie Nolan]

Like, is that I just want to climb the mountain. I can't imagine.

[Desus]

No need to check out the view.

[Katie Nolan]

You're so close. Just get to the top of it. Take a peek.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah. They disagree.

[Katie Nolan]

How does this relate to what Sting was doing in like the tantric sex? Where does this and that interact?

[Desus]

Tantric sex? Because when I worked at the library, on slow days, you could just read any boring book. So I read a book about tantric sex and it basically was like, don't. You don't want to come. Because coming is so selfish. What you want to do is keep transferring energy. And I said, think about when a wave hits in the ocean, it hits the sand. It's like that. You come with the energy and you take the energy back. You keep coming with the energy and take it back. And it was talking about how to do that for like 12 hours with your partners.

[Katie Nolan]

You absolutely tried with whoever you were with at that time. You went home, you were like, here we go.

[Desus]

Let me ask some girl in the Bronx about tantric sex.

[Katie Nolan]

You're like, come on.

[Desus]

Okay, I. I'll be on several lists.

[Katie Nolan]

Going to be like an ocean in sand. Just stay with me. We're going to give it. We're going to be flowing back and forth.

[Desus]

I am not Eric Adams, who I know has had tantric sex.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh boy.

[Pablo Torre]

How do we know that?

[Desus]

How do we not know that? Pablo, he probably had a shorty and far Rockaway that he used to have tantric sex with. Rest in peace. There'll never be another. He's not dead, though.

[Pablo Torre]

I am. I am. You know what? I am going to miss that guy.

[Desus]

Like, he was. He was like the piece of ginger on the plate. Just a palate cleanser. You know who's here? Like, all the whole mayor thing, like, all the laws and regulations, Come on, you want to have a little fun with it?

[Katie Nolan]

Let's be silly.

[Desus]

Like, let's do a little fraud, but not too much.

[Katie Nolan]

Let's do a silly amount of fraud. We'll be silly. Silly mayor fraud.

[Pablo Torre]

So I should say the author in a separate interview, which I did read, because he clarified some of this. The kinds of porn the Gooners are making, that is different. So what the Gooners are doing is. They're not actually making it, by the way. They're not like, filming porn themselves, obviously. What they're doing is remixing existing pornography into what they call porn music videos. Yes.

[Katie Nolan]

I thought the genre was dead.

[Desus]

No, no, they keep going.

[Pablo Torre]

Absolutely.

[Katie Nolan]

M stands for masturbating tv, pmv.

[Pablo Torre]

They may contain hundreds of separate clips. And in a lot of these videos, apparently there's a voice that addresses the viewer directly, calling them porn addicts, pathetic Gooners and so on.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, this is deeply layered.

[Pablo Torre]

And so I think the key thing here as it is, like, layered, and this is a quote, what it seems like to me is porn fully and finally detached from any real world, extra pornographic referent. This is porn for people whose primary frame of reference for sex is online porn.

[Desus]

This is just like the essence of sex or the notion of sex, but this not sexual or what we know sex to be, or even what we know masturbation to be. It's just like, hey, this is what would make you ejaculate. But I have no desire to ejaculate.

[Katie Nolan]

My fear with all of this content is that like a. I don't want to make anybody who's lonely and masturbates to get through life feel bad about themselves. Stuff's bleak. Okay. Feel good how you can. At the same time, being a girl in a video like this that could be watched by a certain community, always not great. So I dressed Super Diego. I look like your little brother today. On purpose. And.

[Pablo Torre]

And you know what?

[Desus]

There's probably still some Gooners out there.

[Pablo Torre]

That's definitely their specific thing.

[Katie Nolan]

So I don't want us to sound out of touch. I guess my goal for taking away from this, I want to know if we should be Gooning more.

[Pablo Torre]

Well, that's not my takeaway from this article. I will.

[Desus]

Okay.

[Pablo Torre]

Forewarn you in case you want to co sign the things I'm describing here. The median age of the sexually active Gooner.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, let's guess.

[Desus]

It's enough to earn the big screens and the servers and the discord accounts.

[Katie Nolan]

It's how much?

[Desus]

We're talking like 30 to 40.

[Pablo Torre]

27.

[Desus]

27. Okay.

[Pablo Torre]

Sorry, excuse me. That's the median age of the sexually active Gooner is 27. There are some sexually active Gooners. They're 27. The median age of the non sexually active Gooner according to this survey. 23h. And so the reason that this observation is made in the piece is that this also does track with like when lockdowns happened.

[Desus]

That's true.

[Pablo Torre]

And so you had people who like came of age such that they came in a cage, they didn't come public.

[Katie Nolan]

You'Re not paying attention.

[Pablo Torre]

That they did not come in their cage. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's, that's the bleak part. I would say among several bleak parts. But yeah, the porn music video culture, PMVs. Yeah. Are described as to your point, like yeah, free basing pornography, it's just too much too fast.

[Katie Nolan]

So it's a bunch of porns together to music.

[Pablo Torre]

In fact they're edited to like music like techno beats in fact.

[Desus]

Or like they'll take the actual music video and then you'll inter splice porn scenes into the music video. So you'll be watching it and it seems like a regular view. And then next scene will be like hardcore porn and then just more stuff going on. And interestingly sometimes those get taken down because of the dmca. Because the algorithm will track it, not because it's porn, but just because you didn't have the right to use the copyrighted music.

[Pablo Torre]

Yes, Daru did not intend for Sandstorm to be used this way.

[Katie Nolan]

Like but if it just opened their minds, they could see that it's really.

[Pablo Torre]

If they would see the wave lapping upon their sand, see the vision. Yeah, fair use, as it were. Noodle dude.

[Desus]

Okay, the homie right there, of course.

[Pablo Torre]

Noodle dude is the 28 year old Dutch web designer who is like apparently the greatest of all of the clip editor, designer, soundtrack adder. Guys. He is the person who has thrice yearly video drops that are quote received with Swifty like enthusiasm among the terminal porn addict cognoscenti.

[Katie Nolan]

How mad do you think she'd be if she knew that they called it Swifty like in this article? Wow. But I get it immediately paints a picture. I know exactly what they mean.

[Desus]

Is he doing multiple edits of, like, the releases? Like, he's like, yo, catch this one. Acapella.

[Pablo Torre]

This one's like the bass drop he's known for is the sucking andor thrusting in each clip, sinking to the beat.

[Katie Nolan]

I mean, small things artist. Listen, if you can hit a rhythm like that, and then you're all kind of. Your waves are all lapping the shore at the same time.

[Desus]

It's like quest love being in the pocket.

[Katie Nolan]

It's exactly, exactly like that. Yes.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah. They're also gatherings. I mean, the. The community part is where, like, I've always.

[Katie Nolan]

Let's do this as. Okay, boys. When they discovered porn in our generation, right. Like, it was a mostly physical copy. I mean, there were like. You guys could download porn and stuff. I don't know that we're all exactly the same age.

[Pablo Torre]

No, but it took a. I mean, JPEGs were like.

[Katie Nolan]

I was always confused by communal porn experiences when guys would be like, come on over. We've got a magazine or a movie and we're gonna. I was always confused as a. As a young girl on the outside side going, like, so are you all watching it and jerking off together?

[Desus]

No, sometimes you just watch it like, whoa, this is wild. And it's like, yo, you can't believe you got this. And then you're like, whoa, that's crazy. They got three holes down there. And that's not the case. That kind of thing. So, you know, I mean, I.

[Pablo Torre]

Look, for me, I. I am all boys Catholic school, which means that either you're doing some weird crazy is going on over there all of the time, to be clear. Yeah. Or also so repressed that that is also an alien experience.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

You get to choose roles. Do you want to be pinged for tournaments? Are you a hentai wank battler or merely a regular wank battler?

[Katie Nolan]

What is a tournament? A goon tournament? Is it round robin sudoku? Is there a seed? Like a seeding? Well, I guess there's plenty of seed.

[Pablo Torre]

Is there, like, around Robin?

[Desus]

Oh, good one.

[Katie Nolan]

Really good.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Is this what the whole thing's going to be?

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah. We just could do this more or.

[Katie Nolan]

Less the whole time.

[Pablo Torre]

More or less.

[Katie Nolan]

What is the drive to do it competitively?

[Desus]

Is it competitively?

[Pablo Torre]

I think your mileage can vary on this. It is, though, something where you can both exchange and trade and compete at the art of, I guess, pornography collection and. And distribution. As in, like.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay, no, I just was pausing at the distribution. I don't. I don't. I was like, relatable. Relatable, unrelatable. I don't find myself dealing pornography. I mean, the connotation makes me think of bad things.

[Pablo Torre]

There's a term here for just like. Hold on. There's a. It's a goon cave. Yeah, yeah. They're the goon caves. And I suppose the goon caves. And this was staggering for the reporter to. To see and for me to imagine. I didn't. What I won't do is go into.

[Katie Nolan]

The community yourself is.

[Pablo Torre]

Is look up what the goon caves look like.

[Desus]

Right, right.

[Pablo Torre]

But of course, some of them have, like, walls apparently stained with, like, you know, ejaculate and stuff, so.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, my God.

[Desus]

Things of that ejaculate. Little man butter, allegedly. There's a lot of monitors as well, right?

[ServiceNow Announcer]

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[Pablo Torre]

So it is sort of exactly what you think it is. A zillion monitors, endless, infinite scroll of, like, dissociative pornography about pornography.

[Katie Nolan]

Communal experience of porn and masturbation is something I think generations behind us are more open to and comfortable with than not. Saying that all can't be. It's just to us, it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa. I think even mentioned in the article is that, like, when they're describing these goon caves that they built for themselves, you would think they would be mortified by, like, I hope nobody ever finds out I built this room and specifically for porn. But instead they're actually very proud of it and they show it off online and like, that to our generation is like. Which I think is good step in a direction of, like, de.

[Pablo Torre]

Stigma.

[Katie Nolan]

Stigmatizing sex and our relationships with our bodies.

[Pablo Torre]

I think there is the possibility of that, but that possibility has been truly, I think, overwhelmed by the infinite nature of all. So feeding is the term.

[Desus]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

For when one gooner sustains another's session by sending them curated porn from their private collection. It's meant also to be referred to as goon fuel. You know, these are short clips. Sometimes they're gifts. Goon caps.

[Katie Nolan]

It's an assist.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, that's right.

[Desus]

You gotta look out for the homie. It's like when you play a Call of Duty and someone goes down, you know, gotta revive the hvt. There you go.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get it.

[Desus]

Keep fighting, keep gooning. That kind of thing.

[Katie Nolan]

Sending you knowing that you're maintaining some sort of a state and going. This will keep you there.

[Desus]

Keep going.

[Katie Nolan]

My sliding it across the.

[Desus]

It's similar to the New York Marathon this happens, right? People running by. They got this. Keep going in, John. Come on. Almost there, but not there.

[Katie Nolan]

A pornographic orange slice.

[Pablo Torre]

That's right. Instead of white cups of water. It's just.

[Desus]

And it's so weird because if you remember back in the day in porn, they would have that button. You were terrified to ever point the share with your friends, and you're like, excuse you, What?

[Katie Nolan]

No, it's like, in what world?

[Desus]

They're like, hey, attach it to your Facebook account and we'll send this to everyone you know. Increasing. Graham. Graham. And you're like, no, no, no, no, no. But now, apparently, it's like, I guess it's bad if you don't share something with your friends.

[Pablo Torre]

So I do want to acknowledge something that I've done a bad job in introducing to the framework of our conversation, which is that Deezus has a professional experience in this industry. Yes.

[Katie Nolan]

Wait, what?

[Desus]

I've had every job in the world. Come on.

[Katie Nolan]

I know that. And maybe I do know this.

[Desus]

Yes. I used to work in the porn industry. I used to be in charge of the back end of server administration.

[Katie Nolan]

Sorry. I'm so sorry. Sorry. You're right.

[Desus]

Are we gonna be adults? No, the back end and server side encryption for processing of credit cards for CC Bill. So I used to work with all the porn and all that stuff and like, terabytes of porn. And even then I was like, wow, this is a lot of porn. This is. But now, like you just said, there's way too much porn. Like, you'll open Twitter and it's just like, porn where. I know as a teenager I would have had to kill to even get a peek at is at the point where even I'm like, damn, let me mute this.

[Katie Nolan]

I'm also like, don't make me have to scroll past it. I'm a human.

[Desus]

Yes.

[Katie Nolan]

If everyone's going, this is crazy. I'm gonna go, what's crazy? And then I'm gonna go, and I'm gonna look and see, like, oh, wow, that guard at the prison is having sex with all those inmates. And then I'm watching it and going, what am I doing? I was coming here to do something else. What am I? I'm watching full penetration on my timeline. And then, you know, because you clicked on it, it's gonna keep being. And you're like, I can't be every day. I can't imagine being. I mean, I'm getting up there in age, so I'm less sexually. I don't care as much anymore. But if I were younger and needing to focus and constantly being confronted by porn, I'd be like, I can't get anything done.

[Desus]

Yeah, it's like yesterday, I'm on the train, I'm trying to see the results of the election. Just the biggest booty, just gaping, just seeing. Just seeing the rubber balloon knot. And, you know, like, I scroll up because I don't think anything of it, because I know my feet and I know every now and then it gets nasty, right? And I look to the right of me, oh, no. And this Mexican grandma, she just looks at me like, I'm gonna pray for you.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, no.

[Desus]

She's just like you out here, just raw, dogging big booty butt cheeks on the A train. And I'm like, Mondani's New York mom.

[Katie Nolan]

Get used to it, babe.

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[Pablo Torre]

Twitter is established in the story too is like the place where you do just encounter uncut hardcore pornography. Yes, like TikTok. There's of course like all sorts of things.

[Katie Nolan]

I don't think I've ever bumped into any TikTok porn. I have bumped into stuff that I'm like This is something for someone. Oh, it's not for me.

[Pablo Torre]

TikTok. They're all, like, trying to lure you into, like, clicking in the page. Page that gets to you. To the person's like, only fans or check out the.

[Katie Nolan]

Or they'll do a lot of, like, this life hack. And they're doing something that you're like, what could this have to do with anything? And you watch for 15 whole minutes and it turns out nothing. They needed you to stay for 15 whole minutes, and they wanted to keep making it look like the thing they were doing was going to be worth something. That's some type of edging. I don't know what the edging is.

[Desus]

Tick Tock has porn that's like tricky porn. The one thing they had. I remember, I don't know why the algorithm was showing this to me. I was like, come on. This is basic stuff. They kept showing this lady, and she would get in the car and clap her thighs together every day. And guys were like, oh, my God.

[Pablo Torre]

But she. She wasn't presenting it as pornographic. She just happened to be doing that.

[Desus]

She just happened to be doing this. Nothing else on her account. Just clapping her thighs together. Now I'm insulted because I'm like, what do you think? I'm a level A.

[Pablo Torre]

Come on, man. The cardboard box with a stick holding it up.

[Desus]

I'm like, come on. I beat my meat on some of the nastiest stuff alive. Come on.

[Pablo Torre]

A bunch of leaves over a hole in the forest.

[Desus]

But they other have. Have another one they have is where a woman will drop her phone and then pick it up.

[Pablo Torre]

Oh, yeah.

[Desus]

And unfortunately, she's got to wear pants.

[Katie Nolan]

Getting none of this content.

[Pablo Torre]

Oh, yeah, me neither.

[Katie Nolan]

It's good stuff.

[Desus]

You know what it is? If your heart is pure the nose.

[Katie Nolan]

Isn't it funny that. You know, when porn, online porn first started becoming what it is, I was like, well, the younger generations, if you can get whatever. If you could just type in Peter Griffin, Lois Griffin sex and see it, at what point are you gonna just go like, none of this is doing it for me. And I thought that was gonna get everything, like, crazier. And what's funny is that it also feels like it's made people go like, oh, I get off when this lady gets into her car and her thighs slap together. Because, like, porn is easy to find. It's really hard to find a lady who's just gonna slap her thighs together for me.

[Desus]

And now people are just, I think, as you're saying, and the Internet is just Connecting other people.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Desus]

So like, maybe like 20 years ago, you were like, yo, I'm a sickle. I love when the thighs touch. Now you go to discord and you go, slides, touch gooning dot com. And there you go, you and your other thigh slapping brothers feet.

[Katie Nolan]

People were the first. They were the canary in the coal mine.

[Desus]

They were.

[Katie Nolan]

Because they were loud online. And I remember being like, whoa, this is a niche community. You guys are very confident and comfortable.

[Desus]

Very confident.

[Pablo Torre]

Wrong of me.

[Katie Nolan]

But my first experience of being on sports TV and the amount of, like, sexual foot stuff that was sent to me from real names on their real accounts. And I remember being like, you guys are out here. And then I learned that it's because, I mean, they were probably the most underrepresented in terms of, like, anyone trying to meet their needs. And when the Internet happened, they were like, these people don't even realize they're posting porn for us when they post their feet. So they probably made. Built a community around it, a strong community. And they were confident. And I. That should have been how we knew. Like, people will find people who are into the thing they're into, and it will make them feel.

[Pablo Torre]

It's funny.

[Desus]

You'll have like, a friend on Instagram and say they go to the beach and they just accidentally post their feet, and they're just like, hey, I'm just posting feet. And you're, like, posting feet for free. Like, are you like, girl, take this down.

[Katie Nolan]

Blur that, pixelate that.

[Pablo Torre]

Are you familiar with your WikiFeet page?

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, it was a five. I think it's dropped.

[Pablo Torre]

You're a 497 now.

[Desus]

Is it out of 10?

[Katie Nolan]

Out of five.

[Desus]

Out of five.

[Katie Nolan]

Dare you. I don't. How dare. No, I. There's also a picture on there that isn't my feet that I've been trying to get taken down.

[Pablo Torre]

I'm going to say there's 65 photos here.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

And several videos. Yeah. Which one isn't your feet?

[Katie Nolan]

It's early. It was.

[Desus]

How recent is the latest one?

[Katie Nolan]

Which one's the latest? Is it at the top? That's old. That's way, way, way old.

[ServiceNow Announcer]

That's.

[Pablo Torre]

Oh, there's a. There's a comment section.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, what are they saying?

[Pablo Torre]

Okay, 11. 5. This is today.

[Desus]

Wow.

[Katie Nolan]

What the.

[Pablo Torre]

Okay, here we go. Love. Okay. Luv WMS feet.

[Katie Nolan]

Love women's feet.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Gorgeous toes.

[Katie Nolan]

I don't know about that. My. The second toe is shorter than the first toe. I know. That's A common. Sometimes people have their second toe is longer and people are really into that and it shows intelligence. Not me. My toes go in like a, like a, like service bars.

[Desus]

I'll be honest with you, I know nothing about fee. I find them disgusting.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, me too. I don't want them around. I don't want them.

[Pablo Torre]

Someone who disagrees is the next commenter. Toe tied.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

Who says she is smoking hot. Needs some pics of her souls with toes pointed. I bet she has fantastic soul dimples.

[Katie Nolan]

What is that?

[Desus]

A shy stripper. But she's really come to come out tonight.

[Katie Nolan]

Give it up for Soul Dimple.

[Pablo Torre]

So the sort of kicker of the article, so to speak, it's that at a certain point the author hopes that the thing that will free the Gooner from his goon cave, that will quote, open his eyes, is the feeling that this room filled with a zillion screens with specially edited pornographic music videos and lube, that it will begin to feel boring and that the boredom of, quote, staying in that room may eventually outweigh the fear of whatever lies beyond it. Which is to say that can the Gooner become so numb to his goon fuel, to the goon caps, to the PMVs, to all the things that seem like they are designed to stimulate the most sort of like thick hide that the pandemic built on America's youth, the world's youth, that, yeah, they too will find that not enough and they'll turn to the outside world.

[Desus]

Just felt kind of bleak and it just felt like, hey, this is where we're all at now. And now if you came into this article and you didn't know about this, now you know about it and it's going to bother you. And guess what? You're part of it now and you can't escape it. And now you're burdened with this information. And I feel like at the end of the article, it's like the camera just zoomed out and you're sitting there like, whoa.

[Pablo Torre]

My hope and my market hypothesis for what happens is that the pendulum's gonna swing all the way back and we're gonna go back to like chastity belts, but like old porn, like physical media is coming back. Physical media, but like truly, like vintage pornography is going to become valuable because it feels like it's the opposite of the always on, constantly streaming. It's like how books are cool, small batch pornography.

[Katie Nolan]

I don't. Again, I don't want to shame anybody because I do think better than I.

[Pablo Torre]

Actually want you to shame.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, that's true. So that's why I won't be doing it for free.

[Desus]

For free. 99.

[Katie Nolan]

You can pay me if you want to feel shamed by me, but I also just feel like it's better. I mean, of all the ways that this could be, I'd rather you take it out on yourself. Do you know what I mean?

[Pablo Torre]

There's a whole subsection in the article about, like, people, like, mangling their own penises to, like, prevent ejaculation.

[Paige Desorbo]

Wait, wait.

[Katie Nolan]

What's so bad about coming?

[Pablo Torre]

Because it's over. Hold on, let's think about that. That. That's pretty deep.

[Katie Nolan]

Is that what it is?

[Pablo Torre]

Well, there's. There's a whole thing here about, like, what they're afraid of. And it's about, like, having to contemplate what the other person is feeling. Like, are they into this? Are they not? And like, they find that very anxiety.

[Katie Nolan]

Inducing, which is a little anxiety inducing.

[Desus]

I mean, that's kind of this, the new generation because of COVID and everything.

[Pablo Torre]

So this one Gooner gave the writer a few stated reasons for his porno sexuality, as it's called. One is a fear of STDs. Another is a standard issue performance anxiety. This is what he says. It turns out that what most frightens this particular Gooner about sex is the impossibility of ever knowing what's really going on in your partners or anyone else's head. What if she's bored by what he's doing but too polite to tell him? Worse, what if she's uncomfortable with the entire situation? How could he possibly know? I just feel like it's exhausting. He says, for both parties.

[Desus]

The way they're saying it is like the idea of not being able to get inside another person's head. You have to think. They can't even start a conversation in person.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Desus]

Like, so if you can't do that, it's just like, they just want to.

[Pablo Torre]

Jizz on these walls.

[Katie Nolan]

No, they don't. Is my problem.

[Pablo Torre]

Infrequently I want to.

[Katie Nolan]

Occasionally I jerk off all day. I jizz all day. I'd go like, that's what I thought it was. I get it. I get it. Sometimes you're just like looking at your feed and you're like, let me just go feel really good looking at your 40 feed. Sorry. Like doom scrolling.

[Desus]

I heard feet.

[Pablo Torre]

I was like, katie, Katie. Katie's own personal ranking is definitely five star.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, imagine if I were into guy feet. That's just. That's just guy feet.

[Desus]

Eddie, show me those Fred Flintstones.

[Katie Nolan]

No, I could I At least I understand it more if there's. If there's a climax. Yeah, I understand it less when it's like delaying the climax to never to always try to sustain a feeling of being about to climax. Which to me would be like feeling like I have to sneeze all the time. It's torture. I'd be like, just get a chew. Just let me Achoo.

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[Pablo Torre]

At the end of every episode of Pablo Torre Finds out a show about finding stuff out. We go around the table and say what we found out today. And Katie Nolan has rested her forehead against the microphone.

[Desus]

I hate this Part which is also a terrible visual that has already been.

[Pablo Torre]

Come on, I think included into various PMVs.

[Katie Nolan]

It tests my short term memory and we know it's not good. So I don't remember what we talked about at all. All episode. I was reminded today. I was reminded, which is like finding out, it's refinding out that Desus worked in the porn industry. Yeah, that is what I found out again. I definitely knew it.

[Pablo Torre]

Desus, what did you find out today?

[Desus]

What I found out today is a little heartwarming because reading the article about gooning and I was like, wow, this is so diabolical and dark. And Katie comes and she's like, you know what? There's an epidemic of loneliness and there's people out there that if they need this to get through life, maybe it helps them. And I've never stopped and thought about that.

[Katie Nolan]

And.

[Desus]

And it could possibly be the silver lining to gooning. Like perhaps it does help people. Perhaps it will provide something for people who are missing something that we don't see. And this could actually be a start of a community for people who need this kind of thing. Like while we're here, like grossed out and everything, this might, God forbid, save lives. Like a goon a day keeps a doctor away. And you know, if that's.

[Katie Nolan]

That's true, I just have to. I don't think if you goon every day the doctor doesn't, you should still go to the doctor.

[Pablo Torre]

If I'm gonna bet on anything, what I found out today is that, you know, getting off on some like old fashioned pieces of paper. That's gonna be cool again.

[Katie Nolan]

I just don't want any gooners to like kill themselves. I don't want them to watch this and go like, wow, I really am pathetic, and then kill themselves. You know what I mean?

[Pablo Torre]

I think that's probably the thing they would love to hear the most. Once again, I don't understand.

[Desus]

And then it's also, I guess if you're a goner, you don't because, like, people have that fear of like, if I die, people find this. In my case, these people don't care. They're like, yo, you want to make sure all the monitors are on. You want to make sure everything's blasting like you want the monitors keep going forever immemorial of you. It's like the eternal flame. The goon flame.

[Katie Nolan]

Keep paying my electric bill.

[Desus]

Come by and pay respect.

[Katie Nolan]

This on. Okay, that's very funny.

[Desus]

Live by the goon, die by the goon.

[Pablo Torre]

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[Desus]

21 shot. Salute. And it's quite different.

[Pablo Torre]

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[Desus]

Just come.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, Come on, babe. Just come.

[Desus]

Just come.

[Katie Nolan]

You've got all the porn on earth. You've got your hand on your penis. Go through with it.

[Pablo Torre]

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