← Pablo Torre Finds Out
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A
Paul. I'm Pablo Torre. And this episode of Pablo Torre Finds out is brought to you by Remy Martin. 1738 Accord Royale. Exceptionally smooth cognac for all your game day festivities. Please drink responsibly because today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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B
I am the coach who kicks the field goal instead of going for it.
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A
Right after this ad.
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C
You're listening to DraftKings Network.
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A
We're not walking into therapy right now, Dan. We're really not gonna do that. We're not gonna do that. Hi, Mina.
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B
Hello. Hi.
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A
The good news is that you missed Dan's preamble. The bad news is that I think Mina's giving double thumbs up. The bad news is that I think you may have over prepared for this show because I just went through the game tape of Mina on Jeopardy.
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B
I didn't watch it.
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C
Wait a minute. You guys didn't tell me anything. I'm walking into a bit of a trap here. I have watched you guys, with great joy, bravely go on celebrity game shows and throw your celebrity into the air to have fun and test your wits against people, famously. But celebrity Jeopardy. Is a little easier than the other jeopardies. Are we doing just narcissism on examining. How did we do? Let's talk about ourselves. We love doing the game shows.
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B
Pablo, it's your show. You're the one who wants to talk about this.
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A
As always and for real. What Mina is saying is. Is. Is a true fact, Dan. She has not watched it. She told me that she was physically unable to bring herself to watch it. And so the reason we're doing it on the show like this is because we're gonna make her watch it.
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B
Pablo obviously loves making content out of our lives. You both do. It's something you clearly have in common.
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A
What I'm gonna do is take us a ride. A ride into a studio. A hallowed studio. And on the stage, Dan, is an actor from the Marvel Cinematic Universe named Sean Gunn, known as Guardian of the Galaxy. A dude who hosts, in my opinion, you know, a kind of odious podcast all in named David Friedberg and our good friend Mina Kimes.
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C
Why was Mina shaking her head at all in? I don't. What. What happened there? A kind of odious podcast.
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B
Oh, no. I was nodding in agreement. I'm also not a fan.
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C
As far as celebrity goes on Jeopardy. The celebrities are not a high end of celebrities. Mina might be the most famous one here. Hold on a second. Guardians of the Galaxy is a wonderful franchise. Great writing, great acting. Not a lot of famous people coming out of the Guardians of the Galaxy universe from behind the scenes, from small characters.
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B
The other thing that's important to note is we're in the semis now, right? So a lot of the real, the most celebrity of the celebrities have been culled.
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C
Okay, See? All right, so now we're just. Now, let's say what this is. This is the bottom feeder at the last rung of cheap television, where we go get people who call them celebrities, and Mina's a celebrity, but I don't know if those other two people are Mina.
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A
As much as you reject that title, what you are objectively is somebody who had prepared. You said on air that you may have scrolled some subreddits. Clearly, you talked to our friend Katie Nolan, with whom we've done an episode along these lines with her on this program. You have and had, I think, for those not familiar with her celebrity Family Feud performance, a real competitive.
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B
Yeah, very competitive. This is why I can't bring myself to watch this episode of Jeopardy. Without watching it. I know that how competitive I was probably started manifesting itself on stage at some point in the final third of the episode when I was about to crush my buzzer in my bare hands like a lemon. Just infuriating. I could not buzz in to save my life.
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A
The issue, Dan, is that it didn't emerge in the final third. Mena Kimes versus the buzzer. It emerged in the first third.
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D
Utah's revamped state flag features a beehive once favored by Brigham Young as an emblem of this religion.
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A
Dave, what is Mormonism?
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D
Yes, 24601. Just watch the former prison ID number of a guy.
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A
Nina, hold her buzzer.
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D
Presumably French bread in this blockbuster. Sean, what is Les Miserables? Right? A thousand years. It's how long the hills have been alive songs they have sung, whatever that means in this musical.
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A
Dave, what is the Sound of Music? Mina's holding her buzzer above the podium so everybody can see this. And it's not why I was doing it.
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C
Okay, I have so much here. Where can I start? I'd like to know, first of all, how much soul ravaging you do with unforgiveness when you're being competitive and you're losing. Like, how mean are you to yourself?
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B
Well, first of all, I was winning. We were showing questions where I couldn't buzz in. But I was very frustrated, obviously, because here's the thing, okay, so I'll just get right to it, because the thing about celebrity Jeopardy. Is as you have seen if you're watching this or if you watched it, the questions are easy. So by the time you get to the second round, most of the contestants know the answers to all of the questions, and it becomes a buzzing contest. Right. And the thing about the buzzer is you have a window to buzz in. If you buzz in too early, you get locked out. And because I don't have good hand eye, clearly I don't play video games. That might have been good practice for this. I just kept getting locked out and. And then losing my. So it becomes a lot about, like, quick twitch, Sorry, I'm in draft world.
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A
Mina is so clearly, obviously in draft mode right now.
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B
Oh, my God, it's really a hand. And the other guys, again, to their defense, because I think they knew most of the answers. Certainly the guy Gunn next to me did. He was getting frustrated because he couldn't buzz in in the first round. So it's just. It becomes like a buzzing contest. It's very frustrating.
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C
I'm assuming I. Pablo, I'm assuming I don't know, but based on your team of reporters and make fun of me, I'm assuming that I'm about to make an admission here that I've never made before. A secret that I've kept for 30 years because you have in your video compartment. My only game show appearance ever, where I can admit now, only all of these years later, that I do not have the benefit of actually the credibility that Mina does, where I actually believe her buzzer was not quick enough and she knew the answers to all those questions. The thing I'm about to admit, well, on. On Boardwalk and Baseball with Chris Berman, when I got a single answer right and we got our ass kicked by Oklahoma, the answer was Ford, and I only got it right. My brother made fun of me till his deathbed because there was 10 seconds of silence and I finally got to be faster than other people. It's also the only thing I knew. I was pretending that the buzzer wasn't working because I was consistently coming in late after people had an answer I did not have because I was so insecure about the fact that I wasn't getting anything right.
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A
Oh, my God, that's right.
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C
I'm sorry to admit it.
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A
So we've played this video of Dan in this thing in what appears to be the 1950s before. Dan has a particular, like, tented hand.
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C
But it wasn't the buzzer. I was pretending I was getting my ass kicked and I was facing it. I was facing a hamstring Injury. Mina.
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A
It explains something, which is that when you do watch it, you see how late Dan is. Now that I know that he's tanking.
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C
Choking.
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A
It changes so much.
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C
Just choking or not even choking. Choking would be if I knew the answers. The questions were too hard. Mina. The question Men. Mina goes on Celebrity Jeopardy. Everybody knows the answers. That's disappointing.
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A
Well, hold on. Look, it's. I would argue that it's impressive that Mina goes on runs like this.
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D
This moon of Saturn or an NFL player from Tennessee.
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B
Mina, what is a titan?
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D
Tan to Titan. H O T T O G o. You can take me Hot to go.
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B
Mina, who is Chapelrone?
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D
Yes, Chapelron. Did you see that gymnast, Steven Nederozic in the Olympics? He only does one exercise. I can't remember what it's called.
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B
Mina, what is Pommel horse.
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D
Right. A boy in Maine sold Greenwood's champion ear protectors after patenting this type of winter headgear in 1877.
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B
Mina, what are earmuffs?
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That's right. He's the inventor of the earmuffs.
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Okay, I forgot that the first question in that montage was about what team is in Tennessee. That maybe wasn't as impressive.
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C
Well, no, but I. But you know what? I want to look at her face again after that because I did think she found it funny how easy that question was. But you seemed happier than with the other questions and the answers that you were getting. Right.
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B
The emotion you're trying to identify is actually relief because I was like, thank God I didn't miss the football question, because that was my worst nightmare going on this show is that there would be a football category and that I would lose the category, thus giving ammunition to my haters for decades.
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C
Good to play that game with great, great fear. Yes. Mina Kimes. That's right. Mina Kimes, who has done now 70 mock drafts and wants to get every one of the picks right because she's competitive, is afraid that the Internet is going to mock her.
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B
Because I care about getting the picture.
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C
A Jeopardy. Question she gets wrong about the Titans.
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A
If you're to talk about the most essential skill for Mina as a Jeopardy. Draft prospect, the thing that I think is so important, that becomes very clear in this episode in the semifinal, is the Daily Double.
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B
Oh.
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A
And so this is.
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B
This is the part that I don't want to watch. This is the thing that haunted me. I can't even.
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A
We gotta walk through it. We gotta. We gotta walk through it. There's a build here because Mina, at this point in the story, has $9,700. That's great. She's in control. But this thing, which was a strength in Mina's first celebrity Jeopardy. Win, which got her to the semifinal, becomes very relevant.
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B
Thinking about the Roman Empire for 600, answer Daily Double.
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D
What do you want to wager?
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B
700.
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Just 700. All right, dumbbeam, 400. If you're right in thinking about the Roman empire. Okay, so I burnt our lasagna. At least I'm not this fifth Roman emperor who legend says fiddled while Rome burned.
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B
Who is Nero?
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D
It was Nero. Yes. Could have been a little more there.
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B
I know. I'm such a coward. I know.
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D
Keep it in mind for next time.
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Keep it in mind for next time is a very impressive prophecy from Ken Jennings.
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B
He was disappointed. I could feel it. I could feel his. I think. Can I say something? I think Ken wanted me to win.
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C
What?
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B
That's scandalous.
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C
That's scandalous. He can't be biased. That's unbelievable.
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A
What claim are you making Finding out stuff? We're finding out stuff here, Dan.
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B
We had a personal connection a little bit. He's from the Seattle. He's a big Seattle sports fan. We had, like, bonded a little bit about that.
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He's a fan of Mina's. He's an actual fan of Mina's in a real way because.
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C
Because she was. She was the only celebrity on that show who's not Ken Jennings.
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B
Well, he's great. And I could feel his disappointment in my cowardly bull daily double strategy. And I was disappointed. You could see it. I mean, that's. I just.
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The disgust as soon as she knew the answer.
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C
Let's cover the math of this, though, because can we look it again? Did you instantaneously realize that you were a coward like that?
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B
Yes. Yeah. You could literally see me when the question comes up, be like you.
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C
So wait, so hold on, hold on. Let me go back a second.
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B
I am the coach who kicks the field goal instead of going for it. I am. My whole career is devoted to calling these coaches out on cowardly game management. And then when I was in that situation, I panicked. Like a word I can't say.
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C
All right, so can you answer this question for me, though? You are rooting as a competitive person to get the daily double correct?
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B
Yes. You want. I was hunting. We were all. So this is another thing. In the first game, I was hunting for them. In the second game, we all were. So, you know, everybody's kind of playing in a different way.
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C
So you're not scared of it in any way.
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B
But why you want the daily double.
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C
So. But why did you get scared when you got the daily double?
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B
Like, because I'm a loser. I don't know.
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But what happened? I'm asking you, Take me through the thinking process of. So you're leading and you're afraid that you're going to make a bet that does such bad math that you're going to call. You're so nervous.
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Yes, I was nervous I was gonna blow my lead. I was like, I'm in control of this. I've been dominating the category.
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C
So you're lacking faith in yourself. The reason you become a coward is because despite the fact that you're crushing this, you know the answers. They're easy questions at the moment of truth. You're saying, I will not bet this much money on the belief that I can do math correctly right now.
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B
Not about the belief that I could do math correctly. Just like, the fear. Like, what if this is the one question I don't know, and I bet, like, $4,000 and suddenly I no longer have a big.
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C
But why wouldn't you bet on yourself?
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B
Because it's risk aversions. Like, oh, I, I. It was more, even more so than I think, the fear of losing it. It was overconfidence in my ability to keep buzzing in and dominating. Right. Which again, to go back to the NFL, that is like, how dumb coaches think. Like, oh, we're gonna keep. We're gonna get another chance to drive the field again. You never know. Right? And it's just. It was, like, idiotic. I don't know. This is that. That was Pablo, by the way. The one thing I didn't want to rewatch because the buzzer thing is frustrating, but, like, I felt like that was a. That was in my control and I up.
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This is a hell of a press conference, a post game press conference that Mina is giving. Who among the NFL coaches that you wished you were, who's the guy you think of where you're like, I should have channeled more of Dan Campbell, because I would, I would wager that Sean Gunn, the best character this character actor has played, was the role of Dan Campbell in this contest.
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1500 answer. Daily double.
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B
I don't want to watch this.
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Let's bet 5,000.
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C
Oh, no. She loses.
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You'll be in the lead by $200 if you're right in.
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B
We knew a different subject. I'm tired of this.
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Hey, thieves. I was expelled from Pency Prep. Bunch of phonies. Meet me at the carousel and wear galoshes. Holden what is the Catcher in the Rock? That's correct.
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B
Everyone knows that. Why? Didn't like me.
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What we just saw was what Mina's football nightmare looks like in jeopardy. So Sean Gunn is going. Dan Campbell. And so Mina does get the ball back. And yes, there's another run downfield, by the way, just in fairness.
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B
I'm so tired of this. Advanced animalia for 1,200.
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D
Answer daily double.
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B
I will do 2,000.
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D
Okay. I'll take the lead back by 400. But you have to be right. The advanced animalia, Scarabeidi Sacer. That's a much more appealing designation than its stinkier name. Dung this.
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B
What is a beetle?
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D
Dung beetle.
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C
Yeah.
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You're back on top.
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The face of someone who knows she's.
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An idiot, but you're back on top. She's back on top. Dan, this is unfortunately, a seesaw. We're learning. It's a seesaw between her and Sean.
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C
This is wildly entertaining. Where do we end here? Because this has been a roller. It's been a roller coaster.
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A
Well, the seesaw, right, takes us through triple Jeopardy. And we do see, for those not watching on YouTube, we do see a bit more of the buzzer here.
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D
Krakuta. Krakuta. Love it. Two times such a better name for the African scavenger commonly known as the spotted. This. Sean, what is hyena good for? 1,500.
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Let's go to rhyme time.
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$300. It's a cucumber preserved in brine that has an irritating tendency to change its mind.
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What is a fickle pickle?
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Yeah. Losing my animalia 300 or sinus orca. Was that so hard? And yet people still insist on calling it a killer. This. John. What is a whale?
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B
I was convinced my thing was broken at that point. Losing it. The questions are so easy.
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The scores. They're all the scores. The scores, dan. Sean Gunn, 20,500. Mina Kimes, a very respectable 16,400. Dave Friedberg, a distant third. $8,400. Not really a factor. Is where we are at this point in the story.
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C
I can't believe how human this is. Mina, you're sitting here savaging yourself about how idiotic this is and who doesn't understand, even though you're crushing it. A lack of confidence in yourself, even after all of these easy questions, because you really.
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B
Because you're still on the day about the daily doubles you're talking about.
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C
Yeah, well, I'm talking. I'm. What I'm talking about is the pressure of the moment making you make Smaller bets when the biggest bets would have been on yourself. And it's just so interesting to not. To not have the confidence in that moment. Because, see, I. I think I would be afraid to do all of this in front of people vulnerably, allowing them to examine whether or not you're, quote, unquote, smart enough or fast enough by get by testing your intelligence. Television. I don't think I'd want to do that. It doesn't seem like it would be. It seemed like it would be pressurized even for charity. So to get in that situation, be plagued by it, however nervous you were before it, if you were indeed nervous, get to the moment, be crushing it, and then not have confidence when you have a moment to slow down and.
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B
Think it really wasn't. It wasn't like a lack of confidence. I was. Let me. I'll be straight up with you guys. I don't watch Jeopardy. I'm not a Jeopardy. Person. So I did a little bit of research into betting strategy, which comes up at the end. I did not ask anyone about daily doubles. And I do think if I had asked someone, a Jeopardy. Person, they would have explained to me, you should bet a lot. So it was actually less like, oh, I'm so afraid I get this wrong. Although that's a little bit of it. And I think, like, I just didn't prepare for it at all. Like, I didn't think through, hey, this is your opportunity. These questions are easy, you know, all of them establish a lead. My brain, like, hadn't even thought through daily doubles at all.
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C
I've never heard of you.
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B
They told me, like, try to find them. I didn't think about, like, okay, what do I do if I get these? And I do believe if I had somebody had told me, hey, you should bet a lot, I probably would have bet a lot. So it was really like a lack of preparation on my part, Pablo.
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C
But when you tell me this is the part that I'm finding, go ahead and tell me. All the times that Mina has been caught on national television where her credibility might be on the line or her intelligence and there's a lack of preparation.
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What I can't get over is just that Mina, for those not watching, is in full NFL coach behind a mic podium posture, just, like, just really disappointed in herself. The strategy around the daily doubles. Hunting them but not maximizing them.
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B
Yeah, I've been told to hunt them.
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A
Yes. The thing about Meeta that I so appreciate is that she hates nothing. Few things more I would dare say than not Having the right strategy.
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B
I was so pissed walking out of there because I felt like I just strategically didn't prepare for the right things, and I didn't think through it, and I was really mad at myself.
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C
That is choking, though, right, Mina? So wait, let's. Hold on. So let's examine this for a second. And I don't want this to be okay.
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A
Well, Dan. Dan. Dan's now in the. In the audience of reporters asking questions of the coach. I like this.
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C
Yes. Well, because I don't want this to be withering criticism, but it seems to me that this would be textbook definition choking.
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B
Yes, Coach, I. I don't think I dominated to the point where it's textbook choking. Like, I don't. Like, I couldn't. I didn't buzz in. Like, that's not that the guy had a lead. You know, I choked on the daily doubles, and I think that's where. That's why that was the hardest for me to watch, because that was my fault. But, like, I couldn't buzz in. Like, I knew pretty much every answer and I just couldn't buzz in. That's not choking. That's just the reason I say nothing is good at it.
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C
The reason I say it is choking is because combination of panic and lack of strategy that in a moment makes you go, ah. Because all of a sudden you're scared.
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B
Yeah, I'm saying in those moments, but not over. Like, I don't think I choked away the entire game is all I'm saying. I think I choked on the daily coach.
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C
You lost.
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B
Yeah, Skip, sometimes you lose because you didn't prepare well enough. That's not choking. Choking is when you're the overwhelming favorite. You should absolutely win. You should be dominating. And you. And you. It. All right, so I did make mistakes in big.
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C
Coach, why wasn't your team prepared? Coach, that's your job, too.
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B
That's. That's the biggest question. I wish I. I actually wish I had done more prep into the actual gameplay. I should have watched Jeopardy.
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C
Your team was unprepared. Hold on, hold on. You didn't watch any game?
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A
What? What?
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B
What?
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A
Coach, I watched a little bit.
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B
I watched like a Katie Semi. Like I watched an episode of Celebrity Jeopardy. Just to understand because it's a little different. But I didn't like.
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What she said. No, I'm just pointing something out. What Coach Kimes is saying is something that I thought I would never hear, which is that she didn't grind enough.
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C
It's just crazy to me. I can't, like, Pablo knew.
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B
Look, I will tell Dan I have a full time job. It was during the middle of football season and I had a one year old baby. I only had so much time to get ready for this game show.
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C
I'm sorry. It's not even football season.
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B
This is the maddest I've ever been.
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C
It's not even football season.
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B
Oh, by the way, we taped these back. I was the only person who had to go back to back. I taped that right after my first episode. So I'm like freaking exhausted. That sounds like a competitive disadvantage.
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C
That sounds like a bunch of excuses, coach. Like I didn't prepare, I didn't watch game tape. I didn't panic. I have a one year old Steelers.
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Saying we have to play three games in 11 days.
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The thing I regretted was not researching daily doubles is the only thing I regretted.
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C
Can you imagine Dan Campbell after a loss, fourth down decision. I have a one year old.
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B
I think he would probably have lost in Celebrity Jeopardy.
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C
She is so mad right now, Pablo. And I don't know whether she's mad at you or me, I or herself. I don't even know what those rankings would be.
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B
Well, I was mad at myself, but I've transitioned away from being bad at myself to being annoyed by this line.
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A
Of questioning to being annoyed by Dan Bayless.
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B
Yeah, it's been 30 minutes. I didn't realize, by the way.
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I didn't realize we would spend 30 minutes without actually showing you. Final Jeopardy.
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D
Film festivals is the category.
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B
Here's the so this is what really pisses me off.
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D
Called the premier movie industry event for the Balkans. This festival began 30 years ago while the city was under siege.
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B
I know about the Balkans. I know what cities are in there. I know what cities were wracked by conflict 30 years ago. I absolutely could have deduced this if I had just used simple like context clues and geography. But at this point I was like, I'm gonna lose. This is over. I was so flustered by triple jeopardy that I just panic picked. And I was so worried about getting the betting strategy wrong, which was actually kind of the. The one thing I did prepare for. And I did get it right. I thought I got it wrong in the moment, but later on I realized I got it right.
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A
This part, the time pressure is the scariest part of this entire game show to me. Yeah, you only have so much time. You gotta get the answer. You gotta write it down. You will see in the answers to come. The writing. People are panicking.
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C
Pablo, Pablo. This is why your family feud Mom. I mean, it's a game show moment from the dreams. To have reached through that time period on Family Feud and not panicked and gave those answers like you had the.
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B
Opposite answers in the world.
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C
Okay, but wait a minute.
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B
Really get a compare.
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C
But under time pressure, though. Look, you can choke. And then you start remembering you're choking. You're thinking you're choking. Now you're nine seconds in, and you haven't answered.
- [25:14]
D
Name a coin you throw into a fountain to make a wish. You said the penny.
- [25:21]
B
Yes. Survey said. Oh, my God. Yes. Pablo correctly guessed penny as the coin that people throw into a fountain. Really? Truly.
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A
Do your job. This is my press conference. Do your job.
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B
Anyways, yeah, so I was, like, super flustered at home. I'm watching this. I'm screaming like, what the are you doing? Like, you know, But I was. But I did do the betting right, and that was actually some comfort because I was actually talking to folks about this. Yeah.
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A
Okay, so I want to re. I want to reanalyze your immediate instantaneous analysis, which you hear as Final Jeopardy. Continues.
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B
I did my math.
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C
Oh, my heart hurts for her right here.
- [26:19]
D
And she wagered.
- [26:20]
B
No, I didn't do the math wrong. I did it right. No, no, I did the math right. I did the math right.
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A
We'll. We'll talk about this. Hold on a moment.
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B
I thought I didn't do it right.
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D
You said to Aaron, dude, what did you wager? And from third place.
- [26:41]
C
Are you kidding me?
- [26:43]
B
Okay, okay. So can I. Can I.
- [26:49]
A
All in guy. The all in odious podcast guy.
- [26:54]
B
What a heartwarming story.
- [26:56]
A
The show that said it's okay if you miss Social Security payments was like, this guy should be rewarded.
- [27:03]
B
So I was, okay, now I'm so glad. See, this actually is a great window into my mind here, because watching it, yes, in the moment, I was devastated. And I'm so mad at myself for not because I know geography, I know history. I was just like, my brain was whatever, but my process was correct there. So I'm actually like, I feel a lot better watching how it played out, Pablo, because I did bet the exact right bet amount, which was something that I looked at. So.
- [27:34]
A
So explain what happened. So in the moment, you said you messed up the math.
- [27:38]
B
So this was something like, I prepared for this. And then talk to anyone about daily doubles. You know, Hayes Davenport. He is a guy I went to school who I'm friends with.
- [27:46]
A
Co host of Hollywood Handbook.
- [27:47]
B
Another super funny dude has been on Jeopardy. So I asked him for advice, and this was the one piece of advice he gave me, if you're in second place and you're in striking distance, meaning you can jump first, only bet enough so that third place can't jump you. So if third place can't jump you at all, you bet $0. That dude had just enough money to jump me. Right. Which sucks. But the reason you do that is because you're not gonna win unless first place is wrong. So you don't have to. And first place is gonna bet enough to not get jumped. So all you have to do is worry about third place. And that's what I did with my betting strategy. $1,000 was enough to beat third place. Right. If he had. I've gotten right. He didn't get it.
- [28:30]
A
Right, right, right.
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B
So in the moment, I was like, wait, did I do this wrong? I was. I was actually more upset with the. That I did, but I did it right because if third place had been wrong, I would have won. If we had all been wrong, because first place had to worry about me. Did that make sense? It's a little bit.
- [28:45]
C
It's. It's convoluted. But I will tell you that all of that explanation that was riveting television. The fact that after all of that happens. No, no, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Look, this is magic. What happened here is magic.
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A
Is this. Is this reporter Dan or friend Dan? Who are we hearing?
- [29:04]
C
I'm just.
- [29:05]
B
We're not hearing a lot of friend Dan today.
- [29:07]
C
This is entertained wildly by watching you suffer. But say, yeah, embarrassed, but my process was good. But also, I think you referred to that dude. I don't know what his name is. Do you know what his name is?
- [29:26]
A
David Friedberg.
- [29:27]
C
That dude had one of the most stunning comebacks I've ever seen in sports because I did not see him coming at all in this. I was never thinking about him. And only because you did. What happened at the end there, I now have. He has the moment of a lifetime that. That. That guy has the opposite of your story because he had no business winning that well.
- [29:54]
B
He's like an extremely wealthy tech entrepreneur. So, you know, I. I think. I don't think he's really the. The underdog of a lifetime here. But, yeah, he was, like, stunned afterwards. The moment you can see, he was stunned. Like, he walked out. And his family, he was like, what just happened? And Sean Gunn. I gotta find Sean. We gotta get a drink. We were both just like, screw this. I hate the show. No, we love it. But, like, we were just, like, devastated. It was A great television moment. It really was. And I didn't watch the entire. I didn't watch the episode. Obviously, I've only seen this, but I have to think it was probably one of the more entertaining finishes. It's similar to Papa's finish. Right, where it's like dramatic come from behind. Those are the moments that make shock.
- [30:36]
C
And Katie's like, how have. How have you three of you ended up?
- [30:40]
A
It's been pretty remarkable. It was just a series of dramatic finishes. Katie had her own.
- [30:48]
B
Oh, yeah, I remember. Because she didn't bet yet.
- [30:52]
C
The three of you have had amazing game show experiences. Like, I imagine a lot of people go on game shows and just finish in second place or fourth place or whatever, or get to the Price is Right stage and never get on it.
- [31:04]
B
Yeah. I'm actually glad, Pablo, to mercifully wrap this up that you made me watch that in there because, like, it was a little bit validating to feel like I didn't screw the entire thing up. So, you know, I would love another shot at it. I'm still upset with how I handled the daily doubles in particular and losing my cool a little bit with the buzzer, but at least at the end I did the math right. That's really all that matters.
- [31:32]
C
Pablo, do you marvel at the fact that a head coach doesn't leave losing with. Well, I got the process right. Like a head coach leaves the losing with. Oh, my God, like, I'm just crushed.
- [31:44]
A
No. Mina gave the answer that is most reasonable to any rational observer and most destroyable by any back page in a major metropolitan area, in which she explains that the process was right, but the result was wrong. And I think that the most honest appraisal honestly wasn't even technically Dan in the course of this game. It was during the credits.
- [32:10]
D
And you don't have to kick yourself, I think, because the way it worked out with Dave being the only one who knew, finally listen.
- [32:16]
B
Yeah, I would have been more mad if I had done the math wrong. And once that was, I was like, all right, you know? Cause that would have just been embarrassing.
- [32:22]
D
Well, you made small wagers on problems you ended up knowing on Nero and.
- [32:26]
B
Then scared money don't make money. I don't remember saying that at all. Look, you can only learn from our failures and also try to identify the things we actually did do right in them so we could build off of it. That is my mindset.
- [32:42]
C
Oh, my God. That's textbook definition for learning. But can we also just go back there for a second and just Check out Mina's body language.
- [32:50]
D
Because you ended up knowing on Nero.
- [32:51]
B
And then scared money don't make money. How weirdly sassy was that?
- [32:56]
A
I was so sassy. The sassiest quoting of, I believe either Billy Napier, current Florida Gator, his football coach, or Young Jeezy. I don't know exactly who originated that, but Mina happened to blackout and quote one of them.
- [33:09]
C
Well, but can I. Can I examine this for just a moment? Because Mina, I'm going to say that right before that, when you're saying at least I didn't get the math wrong and you're leaning on the console, whatever is pulsating inside of you right there is a combination of fear and bravado and relief. Because if I could look at it again, just tell me the pose of you trying to lean in before you blackout and go, scared money don't make money.
- [33:35]
B
Dude, I was exhausted. I had been at that set for hours at that point. Like I said, this is my second taping. I was so drained. I had had like three pieces of salami for lunch. That pose is a woman who was just ready to go. It was so late at night, by the way. I was so ready to go to bed. I really think, though, covering the NFL, I swear to God, this is going to sound like tortured, but it has, like, better prepared me to deal with failures in my life. Like the things I'm saying to you. Oh. Like you got to figure out what you did well so you can build off of that. You know, every rep, you gotta just, like have a cornerback mentality and reset and think about and like, then also be honest about yourself when you failed. You gotta focus on process. I don't think I would've said any of that stuff when I was younger and I was, like, equally competitive and allergic to failure. So you know what? Growth. I look at this and I see growth.
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A
Mina, how long ago did you tape that?
- [34:32]
B
In October. It took me about three months to get over. So I'm really reliving a lot of trauma here.
- [34:37]
C
And it took you those brains.
- [34:39]
A
It explains what you're like to do podcast with November, December and January. Yeah, that explains something. Not as long ago, though. Not as long ago as the aforementioned prospect that we are here to once again evaluate.
- [34:57]
E
You thought it was settled in the Orange Bowl. Baloney. We have with us here on our very stage here in Orlando, the hurricanes of Miami of Florida.
- [35:11]
C
So scared.
- [35:14]
A
Dan's already one of his own cars, just all over that this.
- [35:18]
E
American drove one mile in under 40 seconds. That was an average speed of 91 miles an hour. Name that American auto manufacturer Miami Henry Ford. That is correct.
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C
They were slow there, the players. I'm Dan Lebatard. I'm a nice 19 year old sophomore.
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D
Majoring in news, editorial journalism and politics.
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C
I'm from Miramar, Florida.
- [35:39]
E
All right, Hurricanes and I'm just walking. 72 Summer Olympic Games took place in what city? Oklahoma. Camp Munich. Munich is right. Which Boston Red Sox pitcher?
- [35:50]
A
Oh, here's the buzzer technique.
- [35:53]
E
Miami time Roger Clements gesture. And that, that wraps up our 102nd round and Oklahoma is the champion.
- [36:03]
B
Am I the only one who sees AJ Soprano looking at a young Dan there?
- [36:06]
A
Not only do I see A.J. soprano, I hear A.J. soprano.
- [36:10]
B
Can we listen again?
- [36:12]
A
Introduce himself.
- [36:12]
B
Play him again.
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C
That hair. Players, I'm Dan lebatard. I'm a 19 year old sophomore majoring in news, editorial journalism and politics. I'm from Miramar, Florida.
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E
All right.
- [36:22]
C
Hurricane scared. Just 1970.
- [36:27]
B
I'm actually adorable.
- [36:28]
C
Just scared. I would say though that you sweet.
- [36:32]
A
Sweet Cuban Jonah Hill.
- [36:36]
C
Mina Mina. Not being scared of all that and only getting, you know, the result of learning and process is. Is a reason to do it because I'm stunned that you're not even mortif. More mortified. Just haven't recovered from it. Don't want to be anywhere around it, don't want to do this with us.
- [36:56]
B
It's been a process getting over it honestly. In the. Let's just say the words, you raised $50,000 for charity. Focus on what matters were said to me a lot in this house by my husband over the next seven days.
- [37:12]
C
It's so right.
- [37:14]
B
And by the way, the charity, I. I just. For anyone who is watching and has any interest because I did talk about it briefly. It's called the CELA Neighborhood Homeless Coalition here in Los Angeles. They do some of the most amazing work of any nonprofit I've ever witnessed. So Hayes, who we talked about was really involved in them as well early on. So if you guys are looking to donate, go to selahnhc.org I have the links in all my.
- [37:38]
C
You guys do realize that we could actually just for charity, say what's the most you'd pay to see one of us most embarrassed on national television? Like if we were selling that mean. And I told you before it started going to be embarrassing to you but you will raise how much money for it? What's the price got to be for that embarrassment?
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B
I mean that was the most embarrassing thing, I think. I guess if I had missed a football question that would have been.
- [38:05]
C
So what would be the. Like, how would we talk you in from that one? Like, if we. If you missed a football question and said, but you raised this much for charity, Mina, and you'd be like, okay, that's okay.
- [38:16]
B
I mean, I. $50,000 is pretty. Especially, like, kind of fig. When I got to visit them and hear about what the money was going to do. It made me feel a lot better about this. You're getting me at the time. If you had. If this had been raw, if this had been, like, in the weeks after, would have been. I mean, I think I was pretty defensive and angry, but it would have been 10 times worse.
- [38:46]
A
If I pointed out maybe that. That incredibly worthwhile charity, which you did support. And it's incredible that celebrity Jeopardy. Does enable like. Like real things on the back of stupid things. If I pointed out, for instance, that they could have had even more money if you knew how to do a daily double, I mean, maybe. Maybe that would, you know, let me.
- [39:02]
B
Back on Celebrity Jeopardy. Let me back off.
- [39:06]
C
She wants a second chance. She wants a rematch. Come on. Celebrity Jeopardy. She's a great champion and your biggest celebrity. And that dude. I. I don't know who. I still don't. I can't remember his name. Mina. The dude who had the. The miraculous comeback. Do you remember his name? Because I feel like Mina. Mina overlooked him too.
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D
He.
- [39:25]
C
He snuck past her because she wasn't prepared.
- [39:28]
B
Yeah, he. He knew, like, the film festival. He's like, oh, my wife and I had been to this film festival. I was, like, so mad about it. Guys, wait. Shocking news. Are you ready? Are you seated? Crazy news just broke.
- [39:41]
A
What happened?
- [39:42]
B
Aaron Rodgers has not made a decision and says he doesn't owe it to anyone to move on their timeline.
- [39:50]
A
Speaking of a guy who. Who. Who watched way more Jeopardy. Than Mina. Aaron Rodgers.
- [39:57]
B
That would be the most embarrassing thing if I lost to him in summer.
- [40:00]
A
Imagine. Okay, yes. Imagine if instead of Ken Jennings hosting that episode, it was Aaron Rodgers, which almost happened very close. What I found out today, actually.
- [40:09]
B
What an alternate timeline of, like, what.
- [40:12]
A
I found out today is how much I long for that alternate timeline exclusively and specifically for the ability to have done the episode we just did with each other. But with Aaron Rodgers in the role.
- [40:23]
B
Of Ken Jennings, I too long for that alternate timeline because it would mean that right after this ends, I don't have to go on NFL Live and talk about Aaron Rodgers saying he hasn't made up his mind yet, which I'm gonna have to do for the 45th time in the last two years.
- [40:38]
C
I don't. Pablo, I don't believe there's any subject matter of any kind that I can put in front of Mina that she' more tired of than talking about Aaron Rodgers. There's nothing that she's just that she, she will not bite on it ever saying anything other than I don't care. I'm tired of it.
- [40:57]
B
I. I think that it is unique because people always like, oh, there's, it's political or whatever. I think it's unique to my job because I have to do it so much. Dan, do you have an equivalent of that in your guys's lives? Like a thing where you're just like. Like, this is. I'm compelled so often to address this exact thing. Must I do this?
- [41:21]
A
You might even say that these Aaron Rodgers segments, they're her own personal daily double.
- [41:29]
B
That doesn't even make sense. I feel like it just doesn't make sense, guys. I'm sorry. Logically, that doesn't actually. That's a terrible analog.
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A
Pablo Torre finds out is produced by Walter Averoma, Ryan Cortez, Sam Dawig, Juan Galindo, Patrick Kim, neely Loman, Rob McRae, Rachel Miller, Howard Carl Scott, Matt Sullivan, Claire Taylor, Chris Tominiello and Juliet Warren. Our studio engineering by RG Systems. Our sound design by NGW Post. Our theme song, as always, is by John Bravo and we will talk to you next time.