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Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out I am Pablo Torre. Today's episode is brought to you by DraftKings. DraftKings. The Crown is yours. And today we're gonna find out what this sound is.
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Oh, my God.
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Oh my God. A nightmare. Oh my God. A nightmare.
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Right after this ad.
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You're listening to Giraffe Kings.
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We should, Nina. We should do what we always do when we're waiting for Katie to. To show up. We should do what we always do when she's running late, which is. Let's talk about our kids. Let's get that out of the way. How's Nino? How's Nino doing what? What are his measurables?
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Huge. Still. I keep waiting for him to get smaller and it's not happening. In fact, our latest weigh in, he actually went up to 93rd percentile.
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Mm. What are you feeding him? What's it, what's he like into, food wise these days?
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He's into everything, which is great, but he eats really what we eat. But I am not trying to be cocky about it because I have heard too many horror stories of. And you can weigh in here, obviously kid babies who were like parents who were like, oh, our child loves like, you know, Sichuan food and like escargot. And then all of a sudden they turn two and they only want chicken fingers. So I am not overconfident. I am. I'm enjoying this period where we can take him to restaurants while he lasts. While it lasts. Pardon me, but I have no compunctions about it going on forever.
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Yeah, like, Violet loves grilled cheese. Like that's a 99% success rate. But also sometimes she just won't want to eat it.
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There's one thing I have noticed with our kid. He just likes food when it's better. Like he vastly prefers restaurant food. We take a restaurant, he eats everything. And then when we're home and Nick like makes him something in the moment, like grills some salmon, he will eat it when. When we are in a hurry and we'll like reheat stuff like frozen meatballs. He'll like be like, nah, nah. Which is funny because like that, I guess that means he's like an adult, right?
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Well, it's the opposite of like the typical child psychology thing of like they like playing with the cardboard box more than they like what's in it. Like, Nino has fancy tastes. Nino is ordering like from the bottom of the menu up. He's looking at the prices.
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If I want to be clear here, I do not believe my child has A uniquely sophisticated palette, I think. Yeah. Like, have you.
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Like.
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So how do we feel about, while we're on this topic, when people do, like, IG posts about their child, but, like, long, like, like, dear Cassandra. Yeah, you're four today.
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I can't. I can't handle it.
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You love early Miles Davis and grilled cheese, but only with Gruyere. And I feel like, why are you trying to make your child sound, like, sophisticated?
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Right.
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You know, honestly, any Instagram post that's in, like, the second person.
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That's the thing.
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It's a thing.
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Right? Do it.
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I do.
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Yeah. It's like you're a Civil War general writing to. I just. My. I. I'm. I may be. Full disclosure. I may be related to some people who do this, and I can't.
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I definitely have people in my life. I'm nervous about putting this out there into the universe.
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Yeah. It's. Everyone's, like, compiling, like, a beautifully, like, intentionally crafted and tattered scrapbook. Oh, hello.
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My main objection is just the, like, the positioning of your. It's, like, making your dating profile. I know that sounds weird for your child where you're trying to make sound more interesting than they really are. Like, if there was honest, it would be like, dear Nino, like, you love on everything. You are passionate about loud noises.
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Right?
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Like, you're not.
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Like, yes, dear Violet.
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Like, bright neon colors.
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Dear Violet, you never wipe your hands after you eat. And you like drying those same hands on our leather sofa, which your father admits was a terrible investment in retrospect, given your personal disrespect for it.
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Hey, how's everybody doing? I'm dressed like Parappa the Rappa today.
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I was gonna say, you do look like a boombox holding panda. Is that what Parappa is?
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Sometimes I feel something like that. Sometimes I just feel like this is right. And then you leave the house and you're like, it was wrong, but here we are.
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B
But you look like you make YouTube videos for children, right?
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Yeah. And I pretty much don't we all.
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Parappa was a dog, I'm informed, but.
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With black ears and white. It was white and black.
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Yeah, A winter beanie, which is what completed the outfit.
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I did take it off before I got on camera, though.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. We were talking about our kids.
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Watch any of this? Yeah, but we're done now. We promise.
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Do you watch Ms. Rachel? Is that what the. Is that what we were chatting about? Everybody loves Ms. Rachel.
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Ms. Rachel.
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Pablo.
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What? Yeah. What are you talking about?
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Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. This is the cinematic. The Sesame street cinematic universe.
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Wait, Katie, there's a guy in Ms. Rachel's crew who looks exactly like Pablo. Show her the guy.
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Okay, hold on, hold on.
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Show her the guy. He's a Filipino guy.
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Okay, so whenever Mina says, this guy looks like you, I start offended and then begrudgingly admit that she's right.
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Right.
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So I'm going to Google Ms. Rachel, Filipino guy.
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It's gonna come up immediately.
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Let me see. Show me. Show me. To me, Rachel.
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If I grew like a. I mean, hot Pablo, we gotta stop doing that.
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That's hot.
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We gotta stop inventing hotter me's. We gotta stop labeling.
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Tell people to stop.
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The Gary Strieskies of the world. The only person I've banned from this program for being.
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Yeah, hablo.
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I regret this episode already.
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No, you don't.
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I, I, I've missed this. We haven't done this since the pandemic.
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The three of us.
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I think so. I mean, certainly on this show, I think we, we've certainly, like, seen each other in life, in which again, we talk about our kids and then you show up late and we pivot.
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Cuz I like to miss that part. It's on purpose. It's by design. Get that out of the way.
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Should we start with a, a very visual game, or do you want to get into some of the stories that I think we're all legitimately into?
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What's your show, babe?
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I just did mine.
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That's right. Hello. Hello. Katie Nolan, host of Casuals, a new podcast for all of us to like and subscribe.
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Not on YouTube yet.
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Everybody's very mad about.
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I have not been invited. I've merely just been waiting.
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Mina's book. Awkward. Because I'm booked.
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Mina's booked.
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I'm unbooked and unbusy.
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Oh, shoot. I'll make sure that we fix that.
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Well, that's now very sad. Katie, what did you bring us?
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I brought an article from the Atlantic because I'm fancy. I'm a fancy lady who reads the Atlantic. It was about how we're not partying enough. Basically. You know, a conversation we've been having a lot is about how we people don't have friends or we're not seeing each other ever since the pandemic, or all these other various cultural factors are affecting how often we're seeing and interacting with our social circles. And this piggybacks off of that and says that America is in a party deficit. They cite the fact that Party City is closing place where you get all.
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Of your which is. Which is a massive story.
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Evidence.
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Oh, no. It's a massive story. It's a massive story. In fact, can I just explain how. How massive this story is? Because I was looking for the. The news coverage of Party City's demise, and we did find this. It appears the party is over for Party City. Party is over for one business that specializes in just that. Parties.
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The party's over for Party City.
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The party's over for a popular supply store. And we have breaking news. The party is over for retailer Party City. The company told corporate employees on a call today the business would be winding down operations immediately after nearly 40 years. And today would be their last day of work. The largest supplier of Mylar balloons, disposable plates, other things that we need streamers. Done.
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Done. After 40 years, the party, you could say, is over.
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Okay, so I think this article is interesting. I will say the Party City as closing as I know. Party. It's like, who has ever thrown an adult party and gone to Party City? It's honestly purely the Provence of children's events and dusty bags, costumes.
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Yeah, it's like goodie bags. So you go to get all the little stuff to put in a bag that nobody's going to want.
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How dare. How dare both of you.
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Yeah, we did, though.
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I don't know where you get balloons anymore.
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Only 4.1% of Americans attended or hosted a social event on an average weekend or holiday in 2023. This is a 35% decrease since 20, since 2004.
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I mean, look, there are a lot of. There are a lot of articles, Dow, where it's like, did you know that only 1.7% of Americans have smiled this year? And it's like, people stop smiling. But this is an article that resonates because the whole notion of people throwing parties for each other has, like, objectively declined. It's happening less and less. And we are. Mina, you are headed to the party capital of the sports world very soon.
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Yeah, super bowl week is a big, big party week for me. I am definitely bringing down that average because I don't go to many parties anymore. I don't think you guys can speak to your own experiences outside of children's parties, which are beginning to happen, which is a whole separate thing. Children's parties, though, I gotta say. And Pablo, you could speak to this more. They're really adult parties because I guess being in LA is such. Everybody now has to go to every party. Katie, that's different. So when we were kids, it was like, ooh, like A big, like, who's invited?
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You got to invite all the kids.
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Now everybody's got to go to.
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Everybody gets a trophy. Yeah.
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Which means every weekend you just see the same parents and you sit around drinking beers at like 3pm with, watching your children just like, rip each other apart. And I gotta say, I love it. My husband and I were talking about this. We were like, this is the dream. We're just sitting around making small talk with like a set designer from Pasadena, having some, you know, hard seltzers, eating their home state tacos. I love it. But the super bowl thing is a big deal for me because I don't go to like, late night drinking type parties, except for like three times a year, the super bowl, the combine, and the draft, which are unfortunately in succession. So it's like a very intense. It's like the closest thing in my life to, like, those Alabama sorority rush weeks where by the end my liver is like. Because I'm so unused to partying that hard.
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My philosophy on the children's birthday party, first of. First of all, either you got to make it under an hour or like an hour or less, or it needs to be equipped for parents to just hang out and talk. And I am so appreciative for these, like, what. What do you call them? Like, these, like, bouncy, floored, like, oh, you can have the kids just, like run around like tornadoes. And then we're done. Yeah, and then. And then we're done. But the thing about, like, the party as an institution is that it seems like even the young people are wondering. There was, again, the anecdotal evidence here. Six months ago on Reddit, someone asked one of the, quote, saddest questions anyone ever seen on the social platform, which was, quote, did anybody else think there would be more parties? Question mark, end quote. And the way we grew up and the movies we see. Yeah. I feel like that's, that's. It feels like that is not happening in the way that the TV shows had promised us.
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Yeah. Like, I feel like in my ideal world, it's, in a lot of ways it isn't like this, but it's like Mad Men, you know, those that party he throws where they've got that, like. Remember in that era, the, like, sunken in living rooms that have, like, the little step down and everybody just has a little detail. Yeah. And it's just like sitting and chat. That's my dream is if socializing meant everybody just came to my house and we just sat around and like, watched and talked and mingled But I also just feel like. And maybe this informs what's happening, or maybe this is just my mental illness, but I feel like inviting somebody over, especially in New York City, is a cop out by me. I feel like it's me being like, wanna come to my house? It's like, no, of course they don't. They're in New York City. They wanna go out to a bar or a restaurant or a. And I'm like, well, they just come over to my house, a hut in a bar, and, like, sit around and watch, like, sports and control the volume ourselves and, like, order some food and hang out. But that feels like an. I don't know, that feels like a cheap. It's like, go, get up, get dressed, leave Katie, get out of the house. But I would love if people we. I'd throw a party every week. If you guys would come over.
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I would.
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I love house parties.
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So. But okay, so the house party, I should say, because I grew up in New York, you've never really. Not a bad thing.
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Yeah.
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Like, not a real thing. So much about New York apartments that they're too small to have people over.
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Yeah.
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And so my view of, like, the house party really was just like, when I got to college, I got a sense of like, oh, it's what. This is, what that's like. But I never actually experienced or hosted anything or attended anything like that. Never, Never. No one's parents were back in the driveway and we had to rush to.
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There were no driveways. Happened to me.
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There were no driveways.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah. I grew up in a major house party, high school culture. Not that I was invited to many of them.
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You have to throw them. Your parents have to go away. You have to throw them. And then everyone shows up and they still don't talk to you. That's my experience. They're just here for the house.
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Speaking of. Speaking of that. They're just there for the house. Once one weekend when I went to Washington, D.C. to for to be a presidential scholar, my parents went with me and my brother famously threw, like, the biggest house party our town had ever seen at our house. And it was like the kind of house party that people talk about for years, like, da, da, da. And he. So my brother was all clear with me. He took photos of everything in the house. He hired professional cleaners. So we come home and it's like nothing has happened. So my parents come home from this, like, nerd thing I went to with me, and we're walking through the house and my mom sometimes she's just like, something's off. And she noticed, like, the smallest, tiniest difference. Something had been moved, and my brother cracked immediately when she called him out on it.
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I recently did wonder, while I was just unable to sleep one night recently, like, could I recreate my entire living room from memory? No, I could not. No, I could not. No.
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Our memories are. Oh. So the point. My point was partying. We need to do it more.
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Well, that's a takeaway from this article, is that, like, if we all threw two parties a year, that's the action item, America would be in a better place.
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Yeah. Lucky for you, my birthday is next week, so get started.
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Are you gonna have a party?
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I don't think so. I don't know. I. I look, I've haven't worked in a while, and I'm working a bun, so I'm like, I don't know if we're gonna have a party, it's just gonna have to happen to me. I'm not gonna be. I haven't put any thought into it.
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But I do throw myself a birthday party every year.
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You should. Everybody should. I think it's like an excuse to bring the friend. Your friends, even if they're not all friends with each other necessarily. It's like a.
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This is. This is my favorite part about adult parties, if I'm the organizer, is watching people from different worlds.
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Yeah.
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Speak to each other and, like, very.
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Yeah.
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That.
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I enjoy that.
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Are you renting, like, a venue? Some.
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I have in the past. I'll. I'll get, like, a room at a bar or I. But I. We do house parties for me a couple years ago, before I got pregnant. Rager. Absolute rager.
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I've never been to a party yet.
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I was. I was at a wedding recently with Mina, and she got hammered.
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Nice. I love that irrelevant story.
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It's irrelevant. It's entirely relevant. It's the one topic where it is relevant.
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No, it's not, because it's not. It wasn't really a party. It was a wedding. Weddings are different.
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Weddings are the ultimate party.
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But it's like they're not really. They're a separate thing. They're their own thing.
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There's one thing I did, by the way, that tells you that you have no evidence.
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How'd you know she was hammered?
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Because I was talking to her and she was saying. And she said, you're just talking like this.
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That's not how I sound. Damn slur. No, no. If anything, I am incredibly nice and overly complimentary.
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They can't stop my home.
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No, that's not how I sound.
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Too deep, Adron. Too deep.
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No.
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What?
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That's a horrible impression, first of all. Secondly, if anything I was like, pablo, you're doing great, everything's great.
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Pablo, we don't say it and stop doing it. Man, I do love you. I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud.
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I'm sure it was closer to that, you know what I mean?
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There was a lot of slurred positive reinforcement. Now that I think about it.
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That's great, that's ideal. People would pay for that. From Mina Kynes.
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Mina, what did you bring us clear headedly to discuss today?
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So it's not one story, it's obviously just more like a broader news story that's being written about a great deal.
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But.
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But I am curious to hear your guys thoughts on the TikTok ban which as of this recording TikTok is available because the President of the United States signed an executive order basically delaying the band the ban. Pardon me. It's unclear to me, even after reading about 20 articles, what is legal and what's not in terms of whether or not he can actually stop it. Because this was something that Congress passed, a law, the Supreme Court, by the way, like just to. For folks who haven't followed it, I guess I should lay out the reason why Congress did so is this belief that a foreign government shouldn't control like a major US media outlet. It's less about actually propaganda and more about their ability to collect information. And you can collect a lot of information on people based on TikTok usage. And the crazy thing that happened too is like we live in a world in which Congress doesn't agree on anything. The Supreme Court doesn't agree on anything. It was like unanimous. Right. So both sides of the aisle were like, yeah, this seems bad. The Supreme Court was like, yeah, this is probably a bad idea. So just that's the backstory for people to know, but then full backstory.
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It was Trump's idea originally, was it?
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Exactly.
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He's not the first person who came out when he was like, we should.
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Ban the 45th president.
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Right.
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And then 47 very much in disagreement.
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Now he saved it.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Well. And so now he likes it because. And he's asked about it. He likes it because he's like, young people love it. And I'm popular on there.
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A reporter asked him at a press conference, why did you change your mind about TikTok? And Trump's quote was because I got to use it and remember, TikTok is largely about kids, young kids. If China is going to get information about young kids, I don't know.
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To.
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Be honest, I think we have bigger problems than that.
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We do have bigger problems. I mean.
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Not wrong. Not wrong. Yeah. Also incoherent.
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Well, that. That, for me, that was kind of like, in some ways, my experience of this story over the last week was I was a little first, I was a little bit put off. I'm like, put off by the fact this was like the biggest story in America on a moment when things that I felt were much more significant were happening. Other executive orders, other things. But, you know, I think as I've kind of read more, or not read more, but thought more about it, I do think it. Setting aside the legality aspect of it, I would like to hear your guys's thoughts on. I don't know whether you think it's like a bad or a good thing. I guess if it goes away.
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Katie.
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Yeah. I'm.
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You use this. You know, among us are clearly the most power user.
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And I have, like. I have like 9,000, like, disparate thoughts on it that, like, don't all. So, number one, I think a lot of the narrative about TikTok is like, it's just stupid dances. And I feel like we are glossing over a lot of the value that Tik Tok provides. Like, I feel like people were very, oh, I don't use Tik Tok. I'm not. I'm not a child. I'm not dancing on the Internet. And it's like sports. A lot of people. There's a lot of people who, like, run businesses on Tik Tok. There's a lot of, like, interesting commentary on Tik Tok musicians that you would never have heard of that, you know, now because of Tik Tok, like, it's is what it is. It's a. It's a social media app. It is a center for brain rot. But it is also like, it's. It has its. Let's not like, paint it with a broad brush and say that it's just like garbage. Like it's. They all are. Then in that case, do you agree.
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That TikTok and its popularity is rooted in this branding? That it's the one social media app where you actually tend to feel good. Like, that seems to be. It's joyous.
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I think the comment sections, in my experience, tend kinder. I think when they're mean, they can be very mean. But I do think my first reaction when I was first started scrolling through TikTok, was that like, whoa, the comments are like hyping this person up instead of bullying them. I will also say it's a place where, like, I know that the government's issue with it mainly, as you said, Mina, wasn't the propaganda aspect of it, but it is a place where you can hop on and share your opinion. And it's possible your opinion is being influenced by these opinions that are being put out there by people that have nefarious means. Or like it is, you can see how it could be used as any media could be used to spread propaganda effectively.
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Right. So, like, part of my understanding was that TikTok in America was very different from TikTok in China and that we got the version that is far more brain rotting than the one in China. And that to your point about like, is it corrupting its user's health in some way? I can see the argument there that made sense. When it comes to like privacy though, which is another big plank in this sort of argument, it just feels like nobody cares.
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Yeah.
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Like as much as it is on paper, a really important priority. Nobody cares. Yeah.
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I think kids were born into a world where that's everything. They just watched an inauguration where the owners of all of the social media.
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Were with the residents, including the TikTok CEO.
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Right. And you're like, okay, so the government's always got my data. Kids care so little that when they got rid of TikTok for a few hours, they downloaded an app officially owned by the government of China to replace it.
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But Mina, the whole thing about like, kids, it's also adults who just, I think are like, we are so far gone.
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Yeah.
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Like, we're not losing sleep over this. And so who's actually fighting for the banning of this thing other than people who are worried about, you know, the Chinese government from a governmental political perspective?
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B
Well, that's the other side of it. So, yeah, I think most of the legal case seems to be about the kind of data collection side, but the other side is like, you know, the Chinese government is involved in these things and they have influence over their companies. And there's been a lot of studies about whether or not that's affected the actual content put out on TikTok. And I, and I found a lot of it to be like, pretty convincing and credible, by the way. I guess for me to go back to kind of what Katie said about like just setting aside again, the. The data side, let's just kind of cut to like, is this a net Good or a net bad. That's kind of what I. I'm thinking through. And Pablo, you. You hit on something which is, I think, a point in his favor, which it does seem like a more positive place in a lot of social media. I guess for me, I kind of have two thoughts and. Or two ideas in my head at once. One of which is, I think, Katie, you're right. Like, there is a lot of, like, actually, like, lovely content on there. You know, I've watched things about parenting and cooking and science and educational things. So. So it's. It's not a wasteland devoid of culturally significant or enlightening content. It's there. Right. But I am still so, like, profoundly uncomfortable with the fact that so many people get not just their news, but how they feel about major events, stories, public figures. Your point is dictated not by facts, but by an algorithm. It's by what's popular. And that's where I really feel like it's largely a net negative. And that, to me, kind of outweighs the good things that I'm saying.
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A
Katie, like the whole thing about we're gonna lose all of this stuff. What would you have missed the most as you were contemplating TikTok being at least temporarily banned?
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C
If I'm honest. If I'm completely honest, I think what I would miss the most is hearing other people's drama. Drama that does not affect me, but that someone else is really fired up about. I would miss that. I would miss getting face to. I feel like I've watched a lot of TikToks where I feel like I'm FaceTiming with somebody who I don't know, and they're telling me a juicy story. And yeah, sometimes you're like, I don't really care what this is, and you scroll away, but there's like, something to like, an. An average American tv. It just feels like. And obviously everybody's putting on some. They're presenting some sort of a something. So I'm not everyone's being authentically. Yeah, but it was like where you hear from just people. Anybody can upload. Anybody can upload, and it can get enough traction and can go. Like, I could just bump into the experiences of regular people scrolling through my phone.
- [26:55]
A
So wait, did it feel like that, though? Is that part of Tik Tok's whole thing? Is that unlike Instagram, where it's like, tied to your. To some real account, like, Tik Tok was sort of a more open field of. Well, it's video.
- [27:08]
C
No, I think there probably was Mechanicians to it that I don't understand. But if you put up a banger of a video, it's going to get out to more people and more people will see it no matter who you are. So you could be a big account. But like, my Tick Tock algorithm didn't have any of the like, TikTok influencers that I know of through like people talking about Tik Tok. But it had like, just like, like Lola Young. I don't know if anybody knows her. She's a musician that I love from England. I never would have heard her music if I hadn't had TikTok. I found Dochi on Tick Tock forever ago. Like, that's just like, that's where I like, find stuff.
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B
The music.
- [27:43]
A
Yeah, but that, with that question mean of like, what can you not get elsewhere? Like, what is this doing that the other places that we're all subscribed to in ways that make us think we're all so far gone on privacy that why do we even care anymore? We have so many of these apps. Like that part, like, is there a unique argument for what TikTok was able to cultivate?
- [28:01]
B
I think Katie just made it right, which is like the idea of like regular people surfing a wave and that discovery you would get from seeing someone who either was just very funny, sometimes unintentionally, or maybe had some kind of artistic talent that they never would have found a platform for elsewhere. And I think that's all true. My problem is sort of that it had become sort of overtaken by one. The fact that so many people started treating it as a business and you are just selling you stuff or just, you know, shoveling or. And the fact that, you know, it has replaced a lot of traditional media in functions that I don't think it's capable of or prepare for. But that goes beyond TikTok, of course, Pablo. That's, you know, all of social media as a news source. So I think it's just. It still does great things, but it also became everything for people. And I think that's not a good thing.
- [28:57]
A
Yeah, I think that it's hard to say that this is uniquely harmful, even if it is. Yeah. Maybe uniquely compromised by the government that had sort of co signed it and exported it to us. But I guess the question is, would you rather have newspapers or this?
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C
Newspapers.
- [29:19]
A
This is where I would insert that song that you said you were gonna find.
- [29:22]
B
I think he's gonna play something. Oh, fair enough. Do you want me to. This is my other favorite Thing about TikTok that I will miss when it goes away, which is the universal experience of playing a TikTok you love for everyone else. You guys are out of your mind.
- [29:48]
C
If that's not catchy to you, you're out of your mind. That's a banger. That song is a banger.
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A
So our producers, using a sophisticated artificial intelligence adjacent technology, did a bit of scouting. They found some faces from around the NFL playoffs and the outer regions therein. And we're gonna see what it's like when some people look like, I don't know, what is this? What's the way I want to say this? What's the way I want to say this?
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B
So confused by this game show.
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A
The first photo.
- [30:38]
B
Like, once a year, somebody puts out NFL quarterbacks as women, Right. And then immediately turns into who's the hottest.
- [30:45]
A
Yeah, we're hotter. Nodding female versions of a variety of men involved in the NFL. Because I looked for that list that Mina had referenced, no one had done it. And so we were the change we wanted to see in the world.
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C
Mandy Reed.
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A
Yeah. Andrea.
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C
Candy. That's probably Candy Reed.
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B
I'm not getting a candy vibe.
- [31:07]
A
Does she look friendly to you?
- [31:09]
C
Yes, yes, yes, she is. She makes those seven layer bars that have the chocolate chips and the. And the coconut and the. Yeah, yeah, that's. That's what she brings to the bake sale. And she always makes more than enough, like, it's a good amount of bars.
- [31:26]
A
I think that she has lots of things that she has recipes for that have numbers in the title. Like a six cheese macaroni.
- [31:37]
C
Right. A five layer dip.
- [31:39]
B
Andy Reid famously makes, like, a six cheese macaroni. Do you not know this?
- [31:44]
A
What do we got next?
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C
Oh, my God.
- [31:45]
A
Here we go.
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B
Looks the same.
- [31:48]
A
Speaking of precocious, almost identical to male, also named cj. CJ works, I think, both of us.
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C
Katherine Jane.
- [31:57]
A
Katherine Jane Stroud. I'm getting High School Musical. I'm getting a sunniness in her eyes. I think this person likes to dance in a group setting. I think she's cool.
- [32:11]
C
I'm getting that we didn't slide the slider over far enough. I'm seeing too much CJ Stroud in this woman. This isn't.
- [32:16]
B
This just looks like C.J. stroud.
- [32:18]
C
Yeah. The eyes are a little different. I think they look. They probably gave her some, like, lashes or something and maybe made them a little bit more like, up a little, like we do with our makeup, whatever that's called. But it's. This is still just cj Stroud.
- [32:30]
A
Was the hair changed? Was the hair changed at all?
- [32:33]
B
Fair little.
- [32:34]
C
A little bit.
- [32:35]
B
I mean, just turned into a curl. Pablo, this is a thing on Instagram and TikTok that many that women use. We're all. It's like a filter is where you just get lashes. And that's what happened here. Right. It's like it'll have. They always have names like light makeup.
- [32:51]
C
Or flawless filter, Flawless face.
- [32:53]
B
And then you put it on, you're like, whoa. Yes. Ified. But that. This just looks like CJ strap with lashes. It stays.
- [33:00]
A
Right. What's next?
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C
Oh, my God.
- [33:04]
A
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We know this person. Right?
- [33:08]
B
Okay, so this brings me to an interesting memory that I feel like everybody has forgotten, which is, do you remember when Travis Kelce shaved his beard and America was like, is he actually hot?
- [33:21]
A
I don't remember this.
- [33:22]
B
No.
- [33:22]
C
I have memory holes.
- [33:23]
B
Nobody remembers this one. Like, this is pre Taylor Swift, obviously.
- [33:27]
C
I was gonna say the way that Travis Kelce was pre Taylor Swift, I think is also being memory holed. Just as a personality wise.
- [33:36]
A
He did host a reality show.
- [33:37]
C
Yeah.
- [33:38]
A
That seemed less likable than he is now.
- [33:40]
C
Yes. Yeah. This person's name is Samantha. I knew that right away. I looked right at the picture and I said, oh, Samantha. So that's. I know that doesn't rhyme with any of his name in any way, but that's a Samantha if I've ever seen one. She's a coach of a women's high school team. Field hockey or softball.
- [33:56]
A
Yep. Part down the middle.
- [33:57]
B
This gal has a big smile, but she's a bully. Wow, look at her eye.
- [34:04]
A
Mina's encountered Samantha before.
- [34:06]
B
This girl?
- [34:07]
C
Yeah.
- [34:08]
B
This girl pointed out in front of everyone that my Doc Martens were not real Doc Martens. They're for years.
- [34:14]
C
Oh, no.
- [34:14]
A
Damn.
- [34:15]
C
The stitches are the wrong color.
- [34:17]
A
Damn.
- [34:17]
B
What stitches? Katie, what stitches?
- [34:20]
A
What's next, guys?
- [34:22]
C
Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.
- [34:24]
A
Hard to look at.
- [34:25]
B
So who is this?
- [34:28]
C
That's.
- [34:29]
A
This is. This is Senator Elizabeth Warren that's snuck her into this.
- [34:34]
C
What's his name? That's. What's his face? Pablo, say his name.
- [34:39]
A
You're so close they cannot tell. Shares a first name with someone in your life.
- [34:43]
C
Yeah, Dan Quinn. It's Dan Quinn.
- [34:45]
A
It's Dan Quinn.
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B
Yeah, that's Dan Quinn.
- [34:47]
A
Yeah, that's Dan Quinn.
- [34:49]
C
God, that's so funny.
- [34:50]
A
That's like a. Yo, Dan Quinn is a milf. Can I just say that? Yeah, I'm into Dan Quinn.
- [34:55]
C
Oh my God, So hot.
- [34:57]
B
I've seen this.
- [34:58]
C
So hot.
- [34:58]
A
Yeah, I'm gonna. I'm gonna go the other way on that. I'm gonna go.
- [35:01]
B
All of them are.
- [35:02]
C
It's not for you. You don't want to bang Patricia Mahomes.
- [35:05]
A
Patricia Mahomes is a little too eager.
- [35:09]
B
Eager.
- [35:10]
A
I'm getting. I'm getting, getting eager. Thirst.
- [35:14]
C
Is this hot male Mina.
- [35:16]
B
Because this is gonna me up.
- [35:17]
A
So the reason this is remarkable.
- [35:19]
C
Zoom into the face if you can.
- [35:21]
B
That's.
- [35:22]
C
This is.
- [35:23]
B
This is my brother. This is my brother.
- [35:26]
A
Straight up my body.
- [35:27]
C
Ah, interesting.
- [35:30]
A
Like the thing about that theory.
- [35:32]
C
I love that outfit, by the way.
- [35:34]
A
We didn't superimpose your brother's face onto your body. That's actually what the technology gave us.
- [35:40]
C
Why did it do that gray thing on her shoulder then?
- [35:42]
A
Yes, it is. Hold. Is that true?
- [35:44]
C
On her shoulder?
- [35:45]
A
Yeah. Everybody behind the glass. This is Mina. This is the AI. This is not.
- [35:50]
B
It's not literally took a picture of my. Shut up.
- [35:54]
A
It's not. Katie's walking up to the. To the screen to evaluate her.
- [36:00]
C
I mean, look, her right ear is hers. The left ear. It does look like you cut a picture and put it on her. Oh, it's her hair. It's trying to. Okay.
- [36:08]
A
For various reasons, this looks identical to Isaac Kimes, which I.
- [36:15]
C
For the record, I'm not saying Mina said it.
- [36:19]
A
And that's the best part.
- [36:20]
B
For various reasons. Perhaps it's our shared DNA. Perhaps that's the reason I've done this. When we did this back with HQ and we did the male version, I looked a lot like Isaac. I remember.
- [36:33]
C
I don't think I would look like my brother at all.
- [36:35]
A
Well, let's see.
- [36:36]
B
Oh, boy. Oh, my God.
- [36:41]
C
Oh, my God. A nightmare. Oh, my God, a nightmare.
- [36:45]
A
Look at. Look at him. Look.
- [36:47]
B
I see Jimmy Garoppolo.
- [36:51]
A
Yep.
- [36:53]
C
Thank you.
- [36:53]
A
We. We're getting.
- [36:54]
C
I know.
- [36:55]
B
That's a win.
- [36:56]
A
Some top notes of Garoppolo.
- [36:57]
B
Big win for you.
- [36:58]
C
Thank you, guys.
- [36:59]
A
There is. There is. You know, some.
- [37:02]
B
Some make her jacked.
- [37:04]
A
Some Ricky Martin.
- [37:06]
B
Some are saying looks a little bit like Henry Cavill. Wow. That now looks a lot now that I'm looking at it.
- [37:14]
A
Katie.
- [37:16]
C
This is weird.
- [37:17]
A
Sebastian Stan also, people are saying. Many are saying, but you're. You're. You're a Chad. I mean, this is. You're incredible. A tetra Giga chat.
- [37:27]
B
Tetra.
- [37:28]
A
Chad, how does this compare to your brother Kevin?
- [37:31]
C
I mean, I'm actually. I kind of see it more than I've ever. When I look at my Brother. And I'm like, we don't look alike. I kind of weirdly do see it here, but not a lot. Not a lot, but a little more than I usually do.
- [37:46]
A
We have another angle on this that we can examine.
- [37:47]
C
It's also the same haircut I had my whole childhood.
- [37:49]
A
It looks incredibly.
- [37:50]
C
It's what it looked like for my childhood.
- [37:52]
A
Incredibly natural.
- [37:53]
C
Okay. Now that I'm dating.
- [37:57]
A
That is Jimmy. This. Hello. This guy, Keith Nolan, loves and deserves the finest adult. Adult film star to join him at dinner.
- [38:08]
C
Yeah, that's right. He wears a deep V and a necklace or two. Not bad. Okay. That's Dan as a lady. Okay, girl. Yeah. What a sweetie. Look at Myrtle.
- [38:22]
A
Myrtle looks completely nonplussed.
- [38:25]
C
It's her birthday, by the way. Happy birthday, Myrtle.
- [38:27]
A
Happy birthday, Myrtle.
- [38:28]
B
What if the technology did it to Myrtle, too, and you just couldn't tell the difference?
- [38:33]
C
It might have. I think Dan looks cute. I think he looks like the. Not the lead, but a supporting character in, like, a teen movie, like Divergence or something. Like one of those movies about, like, the world has ended and we're all teenagers. What do we do?
- [38:46]
A
Okay.
- [38:47]
C
Oh, my God. A teacher. My third grade teacher.
- [38:50]
A
I'm not just saying this, but, like, if you were to split screen this with Melissa McCarthy, it would be pretty.
- [38:57]
C
I think there'd be similarities. There'd be similarities, pretty much. Is that what Dan wore that night, or is that an updated. Did Dan wear that blouse with that jacket? She's like, look at me. Oh, my God, Pablo. Damn. Are you the hottest of all of us?
- [39:14]
A
I look. I look again. Katie is a predator. We're learning. But objectively speaking, you know, you want to protect this. You want to protect this. This vulnerable creature, Bright eyes, whole life ahead of her.
- [39:35]
C
She's so sweet.
- [39:37]
B
I think she's.
- [39:38]
C
Sorry. I won't be saying anything further so as not to incriminate my. That's a beautiful woman. I watch her do dances on TikTok.
- [39:46]
B
She looks like my primary rival for valedictorian high school. We're both doing, you know, extra studies to try to jack up our GPAs.
- [39:58]
A
I think we're. I think we should probably stop doing this now.
- [40:00]
C
The visual segment on the audio medium. Probably.
- [40:02]
A
This was a successful podcast.
- [40:04]
C
Yeah.
- [40:04]
A
Great. What I found out of your mind, what I found out at the end of today's episode of Pablo Torre Finds Out a Show about finding stuff out, is that I will never take lightly Katie Nolan's vulnerability when showing us a tick tock. Yeah, sorry. I'd prefer to save journalism instead of whatever the that was newspaper.
- [40:38]
C
It's owned by Jeff Bezos. You think that the Washington Post is better? It's owned by Jeff Bezos. They didn't endorse a political candidate.
- [40:46]
B
We don't play one that you're like, this is so funny. And then you play it in front of people and they don't.
- [40:51]
C
I did a whole episode of that.
- [40:52]
A
Yeah, this is. This is. This is unfortunately a recurring and genuine phenomenon.
- [40:57]
C
Okay, what about this then?
- [40:58]
B
Listen, we've all. No, don't do it.
- [40:59]
A
Don't tell me.
- [41:01]
B
I gotta go, guys. I gotta go do NFL stuff.
- [41:03]
A
Why is there a dancing, small white child in front of Kendrick Lamar? I feel like.
- [41:10]
C
Bye. What'd you find out before you leave?
- [41:21]
B
I found out that Pablo did not go to a lot of parties. And did I really find that out? Because I could have guessed it. All right, bye, guys.
- [41:27]
A
Okay, very good.
- [41:28]
C
I mean, I love you.
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A
Pablo Torre finds Out is produced by Walter Averoma, Ryan Cortez, Sam Dawig, Juan Galindo, Patrick Kim, neely Loman, Rob McRae, Rachel Miller, Howard Carl Scott, Matt Sullivan, Claire Taylor, Chris Tominiello and Juliet Warren. Our studio engineering by RD Systems. Our sound design by NGW Post. Our theme song, as always, is by John Bravo. We will talk to you next time.