Share & Tell with "Celebrity Jeopardy!" Winner Katie Nolan + Gasbags Dan Le Batard and Pablo Torre

Summary

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Pablo Torre Finds Out

Episode: "Share & Tell with 'Celebrity Jeopardy!' Winner Katie Nolan + Gasbags Dan Le Batard and Pablo Torre"

Date: October 13, 2023
Host: Pablo Torre
Guests: Katie Nolan, Dan Le Batard

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Episode Overview

This episode celebrates Katie Nolan’s triumphant and dramatic appearance as a "Celebrity Jeopardy!" winner and explores what it's really like to compete on the show. Pablo Torre and Dan Le Batard join Katie to relive her tense and humorous Jeopardy! episode, highlighting the nerves, the missteps, and the unexpected camaraderie and tension with co-contestants. Beyond Jeopardy! stories, the trio dives into media reaction to the struggling New England Patriots under Bill Belichick, and closes with a candid, emotionally rich group discussion about therapy, vulnerability, and personal growth.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Katie Nolan’s "Celebrity Jeopardy!" Adventure

(00:34–19:49)

• Dan is Briefed on the Drama:
  Dan admits he didn't watch the episode live, so Pablo and Katie break down the highlights for him.

  "I came in this morning...I saw a giant money total where you were, and also making me smile. $75 from the person next to you. I didn't see a third person." – Dan (02:55)

• Katie’s Transparent Fear, Nerves, and Process:
  Katie describes her anxiety about being on the show, struggling in rehearsal, and the all-or-nothing tone of the first few questions.

  "It was very scary. The rehearsal they give you right before goes so fast. I could not get the buzzer...the questions were really hard and it psyched me out." – Katie (02:24)

• Domination Recap:
  Pablo and Dan marvel as they replay Katie’s barrage of correct answers, likening her to a star athlete in the zone, steamrolling her competition—Christopher Meloni (former champion) and Sherri Shepherd.

  "It felt like watching an athlete." – Pablo (05:04)
  "For dorks, it's the greatest thing...she's kicking ass at being smart." – Dan (05:26)

• Empathy and Awkwardness with Other Contestants:
  Katie reflects on feeling sheepishly apologetic for racking up points, not wanting to seem mean, and shares a funny anecdote about misnaming Christopher Meloni.

  "I accidentally called Christopher Chris when I met him, and I was, like, very embarrassed because he was like, it's Christopher." – Katie (08:40)

• Final Jeopardy! Math Meltdown and Tiebreaker:
  In a dramatic twist, Katie miscalculates her wager, resulting in a tie with Meloni and leading to a sudden death tiebreaker—ultimately won by Katie on the clue "What is Bourbon?"

  "You were so close to blowing it...the 28 to 3 lead. You were so close to embodying the..." – Pablo (14:13)
  "I brought out paper and a pen and did all the math...I forgot that you then also have to, like, add one." – Katie (15:07)

• Behind the Scenes on the Show:
  Katie details the integrity procedures, her anxiety during the break before the tiebreaker, and reflects on how quickly you can go from feeling on top to spiraling.

  "In my head I'm like, well, we're retaped. We're starting over and the no clue has been revealed. Can I just change it? But I chickened out and I didn't ask." – Katie (16:54)

2. Patriots, Belichick, and the End of Genius?

(20:11–29:46)

• Media and Fan Overreaction in the Wake of Losing:
  The crew discusses the quickness with which Bill Belichick's legacy is being questioned after the Patriots' recent failures, and the oversimplified narratives about genius and blame.

  "When you declare someone a genius after 20 years of...genius behavior, what does it take for us to take it back?" – Pablo (25:22)
  "It was probably both of them...again, a lot of factors that go into this, but I do want to be clear. As a Patriots fan, I understand we've earned this part." – Katie (22:07)

• Perspective on Loyalty and Critique:
  Katie and Dan talk about feeling unqualified to truly critique legends like Belichick, invoking Miami fans' reluctance to judge Pat Riley.

  "At some point I have to say that somebody obviously has a level of expertise...that I am not sophisticated enough...to do too much questioning of." – Dan (28:45)

3. Therapy, Vulnerability, and Self-Improvement

(30:30–44:25)

• Patrick Stewart’s Therapy Quote Launches Reflection:
  Pablo opens up about never having gone to therapy despite recommending it, quoting Stewart:

  "If I had started therapy earlier, it would have benefited me sooner. Now I'm no longer afraid of talking about my childhood." – Patrick Stewart, via Pablo (30:30)

• Dan’s Candid Account of Family Trauma & Healing:
  Dan shares a moving story about his father's mental health crisis and how therapy gave him tools to process trauma and cultivate self-forgiveness.

  "I have found that having that vulnerability and the ability to place it somewhere helps me just...with assortment of tools that among other things, help me be more forgiving of myself and give me some awareness..." – Dan (31:50)

• Katie Wrestles with Self-Sufficiency and Resistance:
  Katie admits to struggling with asking for help, despite knowing its value, and voices anxiety about finding the right therapist.

  "My biggest problem that I need help with therapy for is I feel like I gotta do it all myself. And the hardest part of that is that you have to ask for help to get the help to teach you how to ask for help." – Katie (34:43)

• Practical Advice on Therapy Matchmaking:
  Both stress the importance of not giving up after a bad therapist, comparing it to dating, and urge listeners to try again if the first experience is poor.

  "It's dating without any of the benefits. It's like, let me throw all of my baggage at a person and see how they handle it." – Katie (35:53)

• Universal Struggles, Clichés, and Finding Tools:
  The conversation normalizes how common therapy themes are, with Katie describing her late ADD diagnosis and how learning from others' experiences helps break the illusion of uniqueness and helplessness.

  "That's what life is about. Life is learning that you are not original...you are not so special and unique that this problem you have...somebody can solve that for you. You just have to admit..." – Katie (42:03)

4. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Katie’s Relatability:

  "I truly think that my whole career has been just to get famous enough so I can go on Jeopardy!...and that's what I did." – Katie (06:07)

• On the Awkwardness of Outclassing Others:

  "It felt like watching an adult play video games against children." – Pablo (06:01)

• On Familiarity and Comfort in Shared Struggle:

  "If I need my car fixed, I go to a mechanic who has seen 100 such cars..." – Dan (43:09)

• On Vulnerability and Growth:

  "If you build on a relationship...any relationship with someone that you trust...if that person have some expertise about you...I found those mountains move a lot, lot easier when I have the help of someone..." – Dan (37:46)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:34 – Dan learns the "Jeopardy!" plot, Katie recounts her nerves and start
• 04:15–04:43 – Katie’s string of correct responses on Jeopardy! (audio montage)
• 09:17–09:38 – Katie speaks about her charity: Association of Women in Sports Media
• 10:55–12:34 – Recap and audio of nail-biting Final Jeopardy! and tiebreaker
• 15:07–18:41 – Behind-the-scenes Final Jeopardy! confusion, Katie's self pep-talk
• 22:07–24:07 – Patriots fan pain, Belichick loyalty, and the generational context
• 30:30–33:59 – Patrick Stewart quote, Dan describes family trauma and therapy’s role
• 34:43–36:59 – Katie on the struggle to ask for help and therapy obstacles
• 42:03–43:09 – Realizing personal problems are not unique, therapy as self-knowledge
• 45:59–47:47 – What the hosts and guests "found out" today, emotional takeaways

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Closing "Share & Tell" Takeaways

• Dan:
  Watching Katie’s joy in "Celebrity Jeopardy!" brought him contagious happiness, reflecting on the restorative feeling of seeing someone thrive in the right environment. (45:59)

• Katie:
  Echoing Dan’s emotional vulnerability, Katie admits she is moved by Dan’s tears and happiness, experiencing a reciprocal emotional connection. (46:52)

• Pablo:
  Can't shake the humorous vision of Christopher Meloni, defeated, hearing that Katie wasn't even paying attention on some "Jeopardy!" questions. (47:01)

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Notable Lighthearted Moments

• Multiple running jokes at Christopher Meloni’s expense ("I wanted him to like me so bad, and, boy, did I blow it" – Katie (18:53))
• The "Shout out $75" recurring to Sherri Shepherd’s low game total
• Math fails and sports analogies around Katie’s near-calamitous Final Jeopardy! wager
• Banter about how therapy should be approached: "Just Google it. Reddit's got this." – Pablo (43:31)

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Tone & Language

The episode is friendly, quick-witted, self-deprecating, and emotionally candid. All three personalities share laughs, rib each other, and dive into vulnerable territory, retaining a conversational, accessible style throughout.

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Perfect for listeners seeking:

• A humorous, insightful breakdown of TV game show drama
• Real talk about public scrutiny and sports legends
• Honest, relatable discussion about mental wellness and therapy
• Transferable lessons on coping with public pressure, mistakes, and self-improvement

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Transcript

[Pablo Torre]

Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. And today we're gonna find out what this sound is.

[Katie Nolan]

The amount of sports analogies in my Twitter mentions last night of people being like, wow, you really almost bucknered that.

[Pablo Torre]

Whole thing right after this ad.

[Katie Nolan]

You're listening to Giraffe Kings.

[Pablo Torre]

Part of this, I imagine, is that what we'll do is that Dan did not watch, and Dan will learn what happened.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, Dan has not watched.

[Pablo Torre]

I don't think so.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, yeah, because I saw him text that he wasn't watching.

[Pablo Torre]

I feel like he was asleep by that point and. But I don't know, maybe he has. Maybe he's caught up.

[Katie Nolan]

I doubt it. I highly doubt it.

[Dan Le Batard]

Welcome to Highly Questionable. I'm Dan Lebatar. That's Pablo Torrey and Katie Nolan. They're talking about me behind my back.

[Pablo Torre]

Before we see that you're here before we've started.

[Katie Nolan]

We didn't know you were.

[Pablo Torre]

That's not fair. Well, I was talking about how you go to sleep at, like, you know, 4:00pm now, which is fine.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's dinner. No, dinner's at 4:00pm yeah. And then I need my digestive tract to rest, and then I go to sleep about eight or nine.

[Pablo Torre]

I imagine you like a boa constrictor. Yeah, it's just slowly, you see, like the cartoon refrigerator making its way through the outline of your body over time. What Dan does not fully appreciate is that Katie Nolan finally can talk about what feels like the greatest night in your life.

[Katie Nolan]

I don't know.

[Pablo Torre]

Where are we, hyperbolically?

[Katie Nolan]

No, it's up there. It was fun. It was fun. Should I say what it is are you gonna say?

[Pablo Torre]

I feel like we have to say it. That you are. We're talking Dan to a celebrity Jeopardy Semifinalist now.

[Dan Le Batard]

Look at that. She's beaming. This is. This is sheer radiance on her, I would think. Fun, you can say Now I would imagine terror beforehand. No, like, that's not fun from the very start. That only became fun when you were crushing it.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, it was. It was very scary. I think the. A big. I mean, I watch Jeopardy. Every night, and I feel like a big part of it was like, how I started. So when I got out there and I. It was like the first question, I was like, this is. You gotta set the tone. You're either gonna be good at this or you're gonna suck at this. And the rehearsal that they give you right before goes so fast. And I could not get the buzzer, and I didn't. The Questions were really hard and it psyched me out. And then I got out there and then you saw if you did see or Dan, maybe you didn't. I did not went pretty.

[Dan Le Batard]

This is what I saw. If I may, Katie, I'm sorry to interrupt you, but all I know is that I came in this morning and on my television and it made. It legitimately made me smile, happy. Watching my television to see that the golics were talk DraftKings show about you. I couldn't hear the sound was not up, but I saw a giant money total where you were and also making me smile. $75 from the person next to you. I didn't see a third person. I just saw you had some giant amount of money, like $17,000. And then the person next to you had $75 shout out Sherry shepherd, the.

[Katie Nolan]

Absolute sweetest woman on the planet.

[Pablo Torre]

But that third person, a big you to them. Spoiler alert. Hold on. We, we gotta explain what made me smile while I was watching Celebrity Jeopardy. And it was a text that I got from a friend of mine, Michael Cruz Kane, who's a writer for Colbert. And he said this quote, I didn't think you had the ability to do that. You deserve it. What Michael Cruz Cain texted me was, quote, what your girl Katie Nolan is doing on celebrity Jeopardy right now is unkind. Because this, Stan, this is how this episode of Celebrity Jeopardy. Got going.

[Jeopardy Host]

Chef Jamie Oliver's website says that if you use lamb instead of beef for cottage pie, it should go by this occupational name.

[Katie Nolan]

Katie, what is Shepherd's pie?

[Jeopardy Host]

You got it.

[Katie Nolan]

I did. Katie, what is a Leo? Correct E. Katie again, what is a Levy?

[Jeopardy Host]

My Chevy to the levy.

[Katie Nolan]

Yes. Katie, what is Volvo?

[Jeopardy Host]

That's correct.

[Katie Nolan]

Katie, what is Dalmatian?

[Jeopardy Host]

That's it.

[Katie Nolan]

Katie, what is a Kiwi?

[Jeopardy Host]

Yes, it is.

[Katie Nolan]

Katie, what is Vatican City?

[Jeopardy Host]

Right again.

[Katie Nolan]

Katie, what is scrub Daddy?

[Jeopardy Host]

You seem very happy about scrubbing.

[Katie Nolan]

I have a personal connection to scrub daddy. It just makes me very happy.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, my God. Wait a minute, Wait a minute. I am watching televised cartoon confidence muscles grow. Look at her body language. She goes from whatever the darkness was of fear to, oh, I got this surpr herself. And then you can just see her gather strength.

[Pablo Torre]

It was. And I, I, I, I mean this so sincerely. It felt like I was watching an athlete.

[Dan Le Batard]

She's in the zone.

[Pablo Torre]

In the zone.

[Dan Le Batard]

She's going to straight shots.

[Pablo Torre]

Feeling it. In fact, it felt more specifically like watching an NBA player in a celebrity basketball game. Like, this person should not be like, this is this, is this Is not even better, though.

[Dan Le Batard]

For dorks, it's the greatest thing. It's. She's in the brain zone. She's not just in a zone. She's not just in a zone. She's in a zone where she's showing everybody that she's kicking ass at being smart or. And I don't have context for this, the other celebrities were terrible.

[Katie Nolan]

No, they weren't.

[Pablo Torre]

Well, they're Christopher.

[Katie Nolan]

Christopher Maloney, a former Jeopardy. Champion. Former celebrity Jeopardy. Champion. Christopher Maloney from Law and Order.

[Pablo Torre]

Christopher Maloney and Sherri Shepherd. You'll notice in that montage if you're watching on the DraftKings network or on YouTube that their totals don't really go up at all.

[Katie Nolan]

The first round was rough.

[Pablo Torre]

Yours, though. You, you, you. It felt like watching an adult play video games against children.

[Katie Nolan]

And here's the thing. They probably felt that way celebrity wise. They were probably like, we are so famous. And who is this woman? Who's this ringer? I truly think that my whole career has been just to get famous enough so I can go on Jeopardy. Without having to take the test. And that's what I did.

[Dan Le Batard]

I gotta be honest, I didn't think any of us were famous enough to be on celebrity Jeopardy. I don't think of myself as someone famous enough to be on celebrity Jeopardy.

[Katie Nolan]

Me neither. But I. And I. I was. And I still don't.

[Pablo Torre]

I can't tell if what Katie did means that they want to invite more such people who are really good at Jeopardy. Even if they're over indexing on the scale and under indexing on, like, the Q rating. Because at some point it got uncomfortable for me to watch.

[Katie Nolan]

No way.

[Pablo Torre]

Like, because of this.

[Jeopardy Host]

As Charles Darwin could tell you, to do this is to gradually change or develop over time.

[Katie Nolan]

Sherry, what is evolution?

[Jeopardy Host]

Sorry.

[Katie Nolan]

No. Katie, what is evolve?

[Dan Le Batard]

Evolve.

[Katie Nolan]

Best part of evol, kid. Is this how we're starting it all?

[Jeopardy Host]

I don't want you to be mad.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay. All right, I'm with you. Deminyms for 500, please.

[Jeopardy Host]

It's how you might refer to a resident of Tirana, a capital city near the Adriatic coast, or to a resident of New York's state capital. Christopher, what is Albania?

[Pablo Torre]

Albany.

[Jeopardy Host]

I'm sorry, no, Sherry or Katie?

[Katie Nolan]

Katie, what is in Albanian?

[Pablo Torre]

You know what?

[Katie Nolan]

I'm not if I need this money later. If I'm not doing well later. So how do I take you? A boss lady. But I like you both so much.

[Jeopardy Host]

You gotta watch your mouth around her. She's listening to everything you two say.

[Katie Nolan]

This Means so much to me.

[Pablo Torre]

She was dead. She was apologizing while.

[Dan Le Batard]

For taking their money, for winning. And I'm sitting there, and I still don't know what a demonym is.

[Pablo Torre]

I still don't know. I don't either, to be quite honest.

[Katie Nolan]

It was just like, that's. I've always watched Jeopardy. And been like, oh, I feel bad for when somebody buzzes in and they get it, but they don't phrase it right. Or they get it, but they don't use the form of a question. And then somebody buzzes in right after them and. And gets. I was not. I wouldn't have gotten Albanian. I wasn't.

[Dan Le Batard]

Without his. I know now without his incompetence, you needed his capital. Feel like the universe, the cosmos were just lobbing lobster you where I don't know the answer, but these. These pitiful fools are going to give me the answer by playing celebrities.

[Katie Nolan]

No. They were so nice. I want to be clear. They were so nice, and I really, truly love them. I don't know if they love me, but I really did like them. I accidentally called Christopher Chris when I met him, and I was, like, very embarrassed because he was like, it's Christopher.

[Pablo Torre]

Well, what happened next in this emotional rollercoaster took a dark turn for Christopher Meloni. Because I want you to watch Christopher Meloni's face in these next couple of moments. Just zoom in as everyone else is celebrating Katie Nolan and Detective Stabler an investigative report.

[Dan Le Batard]

You're doing an investigative report on this man's face?

[Jeopardy Host]

Tell us about your charity, Katie.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, yeah, I'm playing for the association of women in sports media, which, you know, I am a woman in sports media. But we need more. Sports media is still, like 80% male. So AWSM has campus chapters, they have scholarship program, mentorship, networking events just to try to bring more women and more unique voices into sports media.

[Jeopardy Host]

That's fantastic. Well done.

[Pablo Torre]

Absolutely. Applaud, applaud, applaud.

[Katie Nolan]

Nothing. Nothing.

[Pablo Torre]

Again.

[Dan Le Batard]

Dan, go slow on his face. He's got no time. He doesn't look like he wants women in sports media.

[Katie Nolan]

What is gaslighting?

[Jeopardy Host]

That's the word. Yes. He had $2,000.

[Pablo Torre]

Christopher Baloney. Refusing to clap for women in sports media and then for your successful daily double did not feel accidental.

[Katie Nolan]

I. He. I. So he was two people away from me. And so during the actual taping, I did not pick up on how mad his energy was. I don't know if he was mad.

[Pablo Torre]

He was hostile.

[Katie Nolan]

He seemed pretty mad. I don't know, watching it Back last night, I was like, oh, he's mad.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't know if it's mad or hostile, but I will say, I can say without a word spoken that he is both. Not for women in the media and pro gaslighting. It felt like. That's how it felt like to me.

[Pablo Torre]

But the climax of this episode, and it is in so many senses a climactic thing, is Katie Nolan.

[Dan Le Batard]

Dan.

[Pablo Torre]

Katie Nolan has more than twice as much money as the second place contestant, Christopher Maloney, as established. And then Final Jeopardy begins.

[Dan Le Batard]

What happens here?

[Pablo Torre]

Everything.

[Jeopardy Host]

Don't mess with Texas. Sam Houston's troops shouted this three word battle cry while attacking Santa Anna's army at San Jacinto. 30 seconds, players. Good luck. Christopher Meloni was in second place with 8800. He wrote down what is. Remember the Alamo? Yes. That's the slogan. Your wager wagered it all. You have $17,600. Now, Katie Nolan had that big lead. Did she have Remember the Alamo?

[Katie Nolan]

I did.

[Jeopardy Host]

She did. Now, math, not your favorite part of the game. You just had to wager more than 3,500.

[Katie Nolan]

Right.

[Jeopardy Host]

And you're a tied.

[Katie Nolan]

And I wagered 30.

[Jeopardy Host]

You wagered exactly. Christopher and Katie are exactly tied. And we're going to be going to a tiebreaker. Clue.

[Katie Nolan]

No.

[Dan Le Batard]

Come on, Katie.

[Jeopardy Host]

Christopher, pick up your signaling devices. I'm gonna read a single category in Queen.

[Pablo Torre]

I would never see you.

[Jeopardy Host]

The first one of you to buzz in with the correct response is our winner and our semi finalist. But I do need a correct response. Your category is French history. And here's the clue. Drink up. A famous New Orleans street is named after this dynasty that ruled France for most of the 17th and 18th centuries.

[Katie Nolan]

Katie, what is bourbon?

[Dan Le Batard]

It is bourbon.

[Katie Nolan]

Yes.

[Jeopardy Host]

Yes.

[Dan Le Batard]

In your face.

[Pablo Torre]

So what you're watching and you gotta watch this on, on YouTube or the DraftKings Network is Christopher Maloney and Katie. New Katie Dolan, both arriving at the Same exact total. $17,600 going to a sudden death. Clue off. And Katie's celebrating like she just won the Super Bowl.

[Dan Le Batard]

A magic carpet ride. Katie, I couldn't have written that up better if I was trying to write script writing on. Have her foul it up here. The whole thing at the end with her bad math. And then at the end, still club that. That stoic misery over there. Christopher still club him in the face at the end with one final indignity. What? What a championship effort by you.

[Katie Nolan]

Thank you so much.

[Pablo Torre]

I want to do what Christopher Maloney refused to do and Clap than.

[Katie Nolan]

Thank you so much. Thank you so much.

[Pablo Torre]

What he was too busy doing, though, Katie, as we humiliate you by celebrating you, Dan. This is what Christopher Meloni. If we're gonna zoom in on that pivotal moment when he saw his life flash before his eyes. This is what he was trying to do. This is the video of him desperately trying to buzz in to the point that it looks like he's actively masturbating. I mean, it looks like. Is he adjusting his jacket? Is he jack off? No.

[Dan Le Batard]

Let me see that. Let me see that again.

[Pablo Torre]

I thought.

[Dan Le Batard]

I thought he was angry and pulling on the sleeve of his.

[Pablo Torre]

Such a generous read. This is a man who thinks he has the answer and is desperately trying.

[Katie Nolan]

I mean, he has the answer is an easy question. He has the answer.

[Pablo Torre]

But you were so close to blowing.

[Katie Nolan]

I know.

[Pablo Torre]

Oh, my God. The 28 to 3 lead. You were so close to embodying the.

[Katie Nolan]

Amount of sports analogies in my Twitter mentions last night of people being like, wow, you really almost Buckner that whole thing.

[Dan Le Batard]

Pablo, do you realize that if she had, we wouldn't be able to have any fun with this because she'd be. If she'd be ravaging her face today.

[Katie Nolan]

I'd be at home. I would not be here. You guys are not paying me. I would be at home. I would have slept in today and. And, you know, kept the blinds so close.

[Dan Le Batard]

That would have been like a lifetime regret. To get your math wrong. To get your math wrong. It would have gone to echoing shame and laughter.

[Jeopardy Host]

So close.

[Katie Nolan]

So can I tell. I haven't been able to tell this story yet. When they. They. So they. I don't know if it's like this in regular Jeopardy. But when they go to commercial and they say, here's the final Jeopardy. Category. Make your wagers. We'll be right back. They brought out paper and a pen and they were like, you can check your math. You can whatever. And then you gotta put in your wager. So I do the math because my dad and I had watched a celebrity Jeopardy, like, right before I went. And he was like, just take what they double theirs and then see what the difference is between yours and what theirs doubled. Could be. And that's the number you got to beat. I. I did all that and I double and triple checked that I got that number right. And I forgot that you then also have to, like, add one. But we had seen somebody who did that, but they got the question wrong and they ended up losing enough money that when they lost that money the other person's double was higher than their. So I was like overthinking that part because it was like rallying cries. And I was like, I don't actually know if I know any rallying cries. So I don't. I'm afraid to like risk more than I need to. Which is why I did exactly 3,500, which again, I know now is not correct, but is why I didn't round up to like 4000 because I wasn't feeling that confident about the clue itself. Then we are done. They take away the papers. I actually said out loud, can somebody check my math? I was like, can I get somebody else to check my math? And they said, no, can I get.

[Pablo Torre]

A non celebrity right? Check this math.

[Katie Nolan]

So then they go, they're like, okay, three, two, one. And Ken says, welcome back to Jeopardy. And I think he flubbed a line or something. They had to redo the intro. In that moment I realized, oh no, what had happened? And we were about to re tape and I almost said, can I change my wager before we go? Before we start? Because I'm like, integrity wise. Because they give you this big speech before you go out there. There's like a game show cop who comes over and tells you like, there's a game show.

[Pablo Torre]

Christopher Maloney.

[Katie Nolan]

Well, so Christopher Maloney got really buddy buddy with him. And I was like, man, you love co, huh? But he came over and he was like, these are the rules of the game. You are entitled to know the rules of the game. If at any point in the game you feel the rules have not been explained to you, you can stop and ask for the rules and they will be re. So they were very serious about the integrity of it. And in my head I'm like, well, we're retaped. We're starting over and the no clue has been revealed. Nothing has happened. Can I just change it? But I chickened out and I didn't ask. So then that whole block where everybody's saying their answers, once I found out, I think you can actually hear it when Christopher Maloney gets it right. I think I whispered because I think that's when I realized I too got it right and we are going to overtime. Like, I knew right away that I'm a big dumb idiot. And then what they don't show is that there's a break while they have to prepare the overtime. So it was like a quite a significant amount of time of sitting there stewing in the fact that I just blew it and that it was all over for me. But there was a point where. And if I may sports this up, there was a point where I was, you know, standing there cursing myself, being like, how could you do this? You were in the lead the whole time. You ruined the whole thing. And then I was like, look, you could still win. You could still win. There's still a chance you could win. And nobody has ever won something after giving themselves this pep talk of, like, you suck. You blew it. And so I was like, let's. You're okay. You've done really, really well. You made a dumb mistake, but now you're going to redeem yourself, and everything's going to be fine. And I had Sherri shepherd being like, it's okay. It's all right. I would have done the same thing. So it was. It ended up being fine. But that's why. Shout out to Sherri Shepherd. I know she didn't have the showing she probably wanted on celebrity Jeopardy. But if I.

[Dan Le Batard]

75.

[Katie Nolan]

She was a very sweet.

[Dan Le Batard]

All right, Shout out to you 75.

[Pablo Torre]

And, as always, a big you to Stabler.

[Katie Nolan]

No, I wanted him to like me so bad, and, boy, did I blow it. He did not.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah. You found out that he didn't like me.

[Katie Nolan]

I know. Katie. Nolan found out. He found out hard.

[Pablo Torre]

What. What. What is next for you?

[Katie Nolan]

So next is the semifinal. So it'll be three people who did what I did so won their episode, and then we meet in the semifinals, and then from there, one person will then go on to the final, which will be against two other people who made the same journey up a different side of the bracket.

[Pablo Torre]

Damn.

[Katie Nolan]

I do not know when it airs yet, but it has been taped, and I cannot say any more than that. Wow, this is the coolest. I know. People are probably like, all right, Katie's been on everything talking about this, but, like, this is the. This is my peak. So thank you for letting me talk about it. I brought a story, but I guess we won't even talk about it. I wanted to talk about baseball, but. No, we. I guess we can talk about celebrity Jim Pretty.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, we can do baseball if you want.

[Katie Nolan]

No, I'm completely kidding. This is the only reason I came. I don't even know what stories you guys brought. I'm gonna find out together with you.

[Pablo Torre]

I think in keeping with the theme.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

Of how one takes a massive mountain of success.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, no.

[Pablo Torre]

And jeopardizes all of it. Dan, do you want to go next?

[Dan Le Batard]

Yes. Because I did not do this purposely to bother Katie, but I am fascinated by what is going on in New England because you get to that level of success where you have spoiled your fan base with 20 years of unprecedented football triumph. Like, I just can't imagine the excellence that the Patriots have gotten used to. So they now have to endure what is Mac Jones and a couple of losses here that are so painful that they disgrace and embarrass Bill Belichick and have people now tarnishing all of his past saying Tom Brady is responsible for it. Because as soon as Tom Brady not only goes to Tampa, but then goes through the gauntlet without Belichick, of the quarterbacks Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes to win a title without Bill Belichick, all of a sudden the either or game that we play on credit and blame makes Bill Belichick look pretty mediocre with a.500, a sub.500 record after Tom Brady. And so I ask you, Katie, what's fair criticism of Belichick when you've got a Boston radio host firing him after two games?

[Katie Nolan]

Shocking.

[Dan Le Batard]

You've got Shannon Sharp saying, oh, oh, Dan, Dan.

[Pablo Torre]

It's not just. It's not just the gas bags that we think of as gas bags. By the way, our very smart friend Dominique Foxworth said, I am happy about.

[Dan Le Batard]

All of this because sometimes you get a little arrogant and you gotta learn from a little discomfort. So I'm happy for Bill Belichick because now he's learning. Not only can you not substitute anybody in to be a coordinator or quarterback, and not only can you rely on your defensive acumen to strengthen your team throughout the course of this season, at some point you gotta accept that you're not a genius.

[Pablo Torre]

Not a genius?

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. Look, I don't. I'm not a coaching genius either, so I can't really critique it from that level of understanding. I just feel like we are so in sports media, quick to be like, he's the greatest or he sucks and has no talent. And we never are very good at this. In between of like, there's a lot of factors that go into this. It was crazy to me when Brady left and everybody's like, we're going to see if it was Brady or if it was Belichick. Like, what? It was probably both. It was probably both of them. It was probably a combination of the two. And yes, they're separate and Tom grows. And I mean, nobody's saying Tom. I mean, people were saying Tom Brady wasn't talented, but nobody's saying it now. And I just feel like there's a. Again, A lot of factors that go into this, but I do want to be clear. As a Patriots fan, I understand we've earned this part. I understand this is the part where you're like, okay, you can't just love watching your team play football every weekend. Sometimes it's going to absolutely suck. Now I forgot that it sucks this bad.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

It hasn't.

[Pablo Torre]

34 to 0 to the Saints, 38 to 3 to the Cowboys, but it hasn't.

[Dan Le Batard]

It has. Katie, in your life, in your lifetime as a sports fan, the Patriots haven't sucked like that. Like, that's what Tom Brady and Bill Belichick bought you. It's been 20 years, correct? Like so.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. And I'm only 20, so I've never seen this.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm just saying, like, when. When were the Patriots that. The last two games that the Patriots have played. I think a generation has not seen the Patriots ever play those two games.

[Katie Nolan]

Right. And I feel like if you are that generation and you see those two games and you go, like, screw this team. Fire the coach. You're an idiot. Because I just think that, like, that's not how it works. The it es and it flows. And even if you think Bill Belichick isn't a genius, I would love you to point out who you're going to get to coach the team that's going to be better than Bill Belichick that is currently available.

[Dan Le Batard]

When you get to any point in football where you start believing that you're that much smarter or that much better than everyone else, you can be humbled by the sport in a variety of ways, especially as you age and young people come for your crown. So in that sport, you. You've got so many young coaches where the technical advantages are obvious. Pablo on offense with McVeigh, with McDaniel, you can watch on offense, and you're like, holy. They've got a schematic advantage. But I do believe in football. Defense is so hard for the common person to understand. And what Belichick does every week and taking away your most important thing, which no one else in the sport can do, ignores that. Two of those championships, one of them. Well, I mean, Rams fans have to hate Belichick. Rams fans will never relinquish that Bill Belichick is a genius, because the greatest show on turf, the greatest team they've ever had in St. Louis, was stopped by not just Belichick, but a Tom Brady who had thrown one touchdown pass that entire postseason. Belichick won that title, and it was one of the greatest Upsets we have ever seen with a quarterback who was not yet ready and then 13, three in the Super Bowl. That offensive McVeigh was very good, and he held it to three points. Like two of the titles there were won by Belichick. And for some reason, because we can't explain it, because we don't know how he stops those things. We're not sophisticated enough that genius gets forgotten because we can't explain it.

[Pablo Torre]

Well, this is the bigger story to me. And it's not just about wanting to rub salt in Katie's wounds as a Patriots fan. It's about actually talking about what it means for genius to be conditional like this. When you declare someone a genius after 20 years of. Of clear, unambiguous genius behavior, what does it take for us to take it back?

[Dan Le Batard]

Two game.

[Katie Nolan]

One mistake.

[Dan Le Batard]

Two games.

[Katie Nolan]

But this is a huge mistake.

[Pablo Torre]

So before. Right. Like the stuff that Dan's alluding to defensively, like Bill Belichick is the genius who had pioneered the 34 defense. And it got so popular because everyone was copying him that he switched back to the 4 3. Because those interior alignment that he had mastered and figured out now everybody was trying to copy him. The idea of like, you know, these. These seemingly slow, white possession receivers, like I want all of them. And now that. Now that's everywhere. Right. Everybody knows what that advantage was. So he's not moneyballing the way he used to be. Those competitive sort of strategic insights aren't as genius like it.

[Dan Le Batard]

Tight ends down the seam. Tight end giant. Yeah. Basketball players running down the seam to make it easier for your quarterback.

[Pablo Torre]

And. And all of that is to say, leaving like the football nerdery of this aside, because I'm no. I'm no coaching anything either. The idea is what job allows someone to have that degree of success and then kicks them off stage like this so cruelly. Right. Is sports the ultimate example of that? Can we relate to any of what. What we're seeing with this guy? Because I would imagine it really must be infuriated.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh my God.

[Pablo Torre]

For Bill Belichick to have to hear.

[Katie Nolan]

To have to still feel like he has to prove himself to somebody. Like what? Look at what I did.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's. It's cruel for genius to be that conditional. It is cruel for genius to evaporate that quickly week to week. But he's had a couple of years, Pablo, and it doesn't help him at all that as soon as Tom Brady left, he went and took over a team where Jameis Winston had them seven and nine. Because he threw 30 interceptions. And then as I said, Tom Brady without Belichick goes through Breeze, Rogers and Mahomes. I think all of those on the road. Right. Like, come on.

[Pablo Torre]

And by the way, Katie, like, he's also the gm.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

And so it feels like people generally.

[Katie Nolan]

You.

[Pablo Torre]

You don't want him to be the GM anymore, do you?

[Katie Nolan]

I think that Bill should do whatever.

[Pablo Torre]

This is the behavior of a person who actually, like, feels like I.

[Katie Nolan]

It feels like emotionally connected.

[Pablo Torre]

You owe him something.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. I mean, in Bill We Trust. Like, I. I just have just that ingrained into my. In Bill We Trust, I assume he knows better than I do, and I just let him in in football. Let me just be clear. I think I can take him.

[Dan Le Batard]

Not in Celebrity Jeopardy.

[Katie Nolan]

No. I think I could take him out.

[Dan Le Batard]

You would kick.

[Katie Nolan]

I don't think he knows is a shade of red.

[Pablo Torre]

He thinks Deminim is a Slurpee.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. I just. I don't. It's hard for me to. Who the hell am I to sit here and criticize Bill Belichick is what's happening in my head right now.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm with Katie on this part of it. Right. Cause I'm going through this in Miami. Right. Like, I was just having this conversation with Mike Ryan, who fields after 20 years of Pat Riley making the Heat matter, the way he made the Knicks matter, the way that he made the Lakers matter. They're fed up because.

[Jeopardy Host]

That's right.

[Pablo Torre]

You're going through that with him. Exactly.

[Dan Le Batard]

But I'm going through it from this angle. Right. I'm like. Because people are coming at me and like, Dan, you're not going to criticize anything about Riley. And I'm like, look, at some point I have to say that somebody obviously has a level of expertise over what they're doing that is above my critique. It's above my pay grade. He obviously knows Belichick and Riley clearly knows something about sports leadership that I am not. I am not sophisticated enough, smart enough, worthy enough to do too much questioning of because they've done it so long that they can know more than I do. I'm with Katie on this. I'm not so arrogant. And I could be pretty arrogant about Know It All. I am not so arrogant that I would think that I can. That I can criticize these people. My guess is that their process is usually pretty good and sometimes the results aren't. And I have to trust their process because they care more and know more about their process than I do.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah. I am glad that we finally arrived at the fact that we all need to trust the process.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, my God, you would.

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean, so lame that that's what you like.

[Pablo Torre]

That is objectively what the lesson is.

[Dan Le Batard]

From the winning Look. I'm talking about Belichick and Riley. You're talking about Sam Hanky. Process is so not trustworthy.

[Pablo Torre]

He would kill Celebrity Jeopardy.

[Katie Nolan]

You think?

[Dan Le Batard]

You think he would lose? He would be seven. I'd be calling him $75.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh. Shout out. Cherry Shepherd.

[Pablo Torre]

So what I brought to the discussion today is an interview I saw with Patrick Stewart. And I don't know if you guys appreciate the legacy, the institution that is Patrick Stewart, but one of our great actors truly like what I imagine when I think of, like, classy, older British gentlemen. And what he said in this interview with Esquire was this quote, if I had started therapy earlier, it would have benefited me sooner. Now I'm no longer afraid of talking about my childhood. End quote. And I bring this to you not because I want to, like, plumb the depths of Patrick Stewart's childhood, but because I feel like my grand hypocrisy in 2023 is that I know all of the upside from friends, family members of therapy, and I have not gone. And I'm constantly sort of calibrating, like, am I fooling myself into thinking that I'm the one who doesn't need to go? Even as I recommend to everybody, like, trust me, this is a thing that is so helpful. And so what I want to find out from you guys is when I say a quote like that from Patrick Stewart, how do you hear it? Because I know both of you guys have personal experiences that I don't want to be too invasive about asking you.

[Katie Nolan]

To share who's going first.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm happy to. I don't mind this level of vulnerability. I found therapy hugely, hugely useful. I don't know in this case whether I would make it about parents and upbringing, although that's part of it. I would say the greatest tool that it has given me is an awareness or more an awareness of my blind spots and where I have to be forgiving of myself. What led me to therapy was traumatic enough that I will tell you this story. I don't think I've told this story before, but. So my father loses his job, and he's a Cuban exile, and his whole identity is tied up in the idea of work. And work is what will get you to freedom. It's the most important thing. He loses his job and he has a breakdown, like, just a total Breakdown on a cruise with my mother. That was meant I was happy. I was so happy. Dad, you're retired. Gave them the cruise so that he would sail into the next part of his life. And he went, you know, he went. He had a breakdown on the cruise ship and when they come back, I have to go to see him in what is an asylum. And at the time I'm going to see him, somebody's clucking like a chicken in the corner and it's, it's a place that's scary to me and my mother passes out in his arms as we're getting there. And so the trauma of that was such that I'm like, okay, I've got to analyze everything. I'm in charge here of whatever this delicate family balance is here and I've got to like reach adulthood and I've got to do some things that examine because I don't think a lot of people go to therapy just because they're looking for self improvement. In fact, Pablo, I don't know that how you feel about your life or your balance or your general happiness. I think something would have to go wrong generally or not feel right to push someone into that otherwise they think they got it figured out. But so the last 15 years and I've been rigorous about finding the right people to do this with. I have found that having that vulnerability and the ability to place it somewhere helps me just in with assortment of tools that among other things, help me be more forgiving of myself and give me some awareness in places where I could have used it that make me more adult.

[Katie Nolan]

I can completely relate to what you said about am I'm always talking about the benefits of it, but am not going to it. Am I convincing myself that I'm the one who doesn't need it for me? Obviously I have a close relationship with Dan and his therapy which has been life changing for him. Obviously his life. As I've said before, my Dan, your Dan. Sorry, my Dan. A lot of Dan's in therapy. I just hate having to say my Dan and I also hate having to say my fiance. So it's just like the Dan that I Soda. Here's the context. It's not this Dan Soder, it's a Dan. But he's had a very difficult life with a lot of obvious trauma. And I say obvious trauma because like people have died in his childhood that like I did not experience.

[Pablo Torre]

And he's talked about this on stage.

[Katie Nolan]

And therapy has helped him understand that, understand his relationships with family members that he can't currently still work on. They're no longer with us. I have had therapists in the past, good and bad. And currently in this period of time where I am obviously in need of a therapist, still feeling like. Have felt, I should say still have felt like. Well, I. My biggest problem that I need help with therapy for is I feel like I gotta do it all myself. And the hardest part of that is that you have to ask for help to get the help to teach you how to ask for help. And it's, it feels impossible to me because it's like, oh no, no, I can figure it out. I will get a therapist once I blank. I keep putting off the like, like we talked about this a little bit on your show, Dan this, Dan Current Dan, about how like I've put off the process of finding a therapist because I'm first of all terrified of finding a therapist that I don't match with. And people should know that that does happen.

[Pablo Torre]

Right? Well, that's one of my questions is just like the matchmaking part of it, it sucks.

[Katie Nolan]

It's the worst part. It's dating without any of like the benefits. It's like, let me throw all of my baggage at a person and see how they handle it. And then. And you also have to be self aware enough to be like, am I rejecting this because it's helpful to me? Are they actually right? And I need to hear this. And so there's a lot of that that goes into it. But I think there are a lot of people who go to therapy, they don't like their therapist and then they write off therapy. And I want to, if you're one of those people, I'm not judging you because I've been one of those people. But you gotta just push through it. And so I now am very happy to say I'm at the point where I have identified, identified the person I'm going to reach out to to be my therapist. And now I just have to force myself to sit down and reach out to that person. And so it's like, like anything. If you're like me and you feel like you have to fix all your problems, you don't. And you can just ask for help. And guess what? If it doesn't go well, you can stop doing that and then do it again a different way. Like it just feels like everything I do, I'm always like, this has to be the greatest thing I've ever done. Instead of just like, just go talk to a person about all the things.

[Pablo Torre]

You feel and that part is the part that I know I benefit from socially. Like part. And this is not a substitute for therapy, this segment. No, but, but I, I, I sense, I sense the value of talking about stuff to other human beings. Like that most basic tool, Dan of like, you cannot internal monologue your way to where you want to be when you're dealing with what's hard in your life. And so when it comes to the toolkit, right, you referenced Dan, the tools that you did not have that now you have have. What does that mean practically? Like again, I'm not, I don't want to turn into commercial for therapy as a concept. I don't think that's needed. But I am curious, Dan, like what practically you have found to be useful in that toolkit?

[Dan Le Batard]

When Katie says something looks to her like a mountain that is too big or scary to move, I recognize that because I will without getting into the specifics of it, I would just say that more generally when I have had those kinds of problems that I bring into therapy, I am always surprised when you remove my blind spots. My lack of awareness about the things that shape me, how helpful it is if I have someone, anyone, never mind a therapist with expertise, but if I have anyone that I trust with whom I am sharing intimacy that I can trust with that intimacy, to be careful with it and to be someone I am paying to help me fix whatever it is that I feel needs to have some aid. I found those mountains move a lot, lot easier when I have the help of someone than when I am covered in my own shame or reluctance to actually approach the thing because I'm like, this is too messy. I can't handle this. I can't. Why would I even start? It's a messy room. I don't even know where to start cleaning up. I'm not going to get any momentum here. And so I'm defeated before I even start. But if you build on a relationship, and I will say it again, any relationship with someone that you trust and you are sharing intimacies, if that person have some expertise about you, never mind about therapy or psychoanalysis or the damages your parents did. If I'm giving them a data bank on here, here's this information about me. Can you help me with all the things that I do to neuter myself or sabotage myself or where I'm unkind, can you help me? Intimacy with someone you trust is the most beautiful and helpful thing when they can help you. And so I finally gotten man my therapist was next to my brother's deathbed with me. Me, like holding my hand in his. Yeah. So, yeah, I. Wherever it is that I was scared of that I can assure everyone listening to this that it's helpful.

[Pablo Torre]

Right, Right.

[Katie Nolan]

Right.

[Pablo Torre]

Katie. Something that I think about all of the time.

[Dan Le Batard]

Sorry. I'm sorry.

[Pablo Torre]

Hey, I. I am. I have a segue loaded up.

[Katie Nolan]

I know. I was like, we're going to get through it. It's okay.

[Pablo Torre]

Damn it. I had a transition.

[Katie Nolan]

It's gone.

[Dan Le Batard]

But. So I didn't have any experience with that either though. Right. So I arrive at grief and I don't. I'm lost. Like, just totally lost.

[Pablo Torre]

But on that, Dan. Right. Like the idea of therapy as preventative or reactive, how do you see it? Right. Because it seems like it prepared you on some level for something that still you had to. You had to kind of figure out. It's just.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's just. Okay. There's no shame in needing help, man. There's like, what's the. I don't. There's no shame in asking for it, in needing it. Like, we handcuff ourselves a lot. I mean, the real intimacy is being able to ask for it, receiving it. And then from there you can find what? Love, trust. The greatest, you know, the greatest touchstones to living that allow you to feel the deepest things.

[Pablo Torre]

But in terms of like the self consciousness about, like, is this about my parents? Am I a cliche? I do wonder if there is some relief in realizing that your story is a familiar story.

[Katie Nolan]

There has to be. Because that content is all over social media. That's TikTok. I always am getting videos where someone's like, I. Does this happen to anybody else? And the comments are all like, oh my God. It's so nice to know that that's connected to this. And I have this. It's like people do want to understand. I think people do want to understand themselves better. And I think once you do and you realize, I mean, I can speak to it specifically from. I have add. I was diagnosed late in life. I really would have changed the game for me if I was diagnosed earlier. Cause as you guys now know, I'm not dumb. I'm pretty smart. But I've got some problems. Like there were some moments in Celebrity Jeopardy that I just watching it back last night, I'm like, I wasn't listening when that clue was read. I was in my own head thinking about something else that had happened. I was very distracted. But so I was diagnosed later in life and there are things I didn't know at all were related. Cause they're not the cliche ADD thing. They're not like, ooh, plastic bag. But, like, constantly being late to stuff. My therapist was like, yeah, that's. This is all the same thing. You cannot manage your time. You suck at it. She's like, you can't just hope one day you're gonna wake up and know how to manage time. You have to take active steps. And here are some suggestions based off of people I've worked with who have this same thing that's happening to you, happening to them. Here are three, like, tried and true ways you can do this. And here's how to have the conversation with your loved ones so that they don't think you're just lying and you don't want to be on time for anything. Here's how to manage this professionally. And they give you those tools. And so I think when you find out you're a cliche, there is that moment of like, oh, I'm not unique. I'm not an original butterfly. And then you realize, like, that's what life is about. Life is learning that you are not original. You are not that special. I know we're told that as children because it means that you're supposed. We're supposed to encourage self love. As a child, you want to tell a child that they need to love themselves, but at the end of the day, we're all just people people. And that's what I think therapy is good at showing you, is that, like, you are not so special and unique that this problem you have, that you're like, no one could possibly solve this for me. Somebody can solve that for you. You just have to admit that, like, this is a thing that happens and it's a thing I have to deal with. And this is partially me giving myself that pep talk right now, like, just go, just go, just go.

[Dan Le Batard]

But it is. It is interesting what you say, though, Katie, because it doesn't have to be as pejorative as I'm such a cliche. It can just be. If I need my car fixed, I go to a mechanic who has seen 100 such cars. If I need a D doctor, I go to a surgeon who's done a hundred of these surgeries. And.

[Katie Nolan]

Or you do your own research. Or you do your own research.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yes, you can just do it for yourself as well.

[Katie Nolan]

Just Google it.

[Pablo Torre]

Reddit's got this.

[Dan Le Batard]

Just Google YouTube. Just, you know what YouTube it. YouTube self help and just see if somebody is in his garage giving you the advice you need to untangle why it is Your edible complex. Edible. I made it edible. Your ED complex with your mother is problematic.

[Pablo Torre]

I think all of us, it's safe to say, have an edible complex.

[Katie Nolan]

Wink, wink.

[Dan Le Batard]

Is that a fat joke?

[Pablo Torre]

Not. Not one.

[Katie Nolan]

I thought it was a weed joke.

[Pablo Torre]

Well, on this side of the. On this side of the call, it is.

[Dan Le Batard]

It is with me. The. The Freudian slip was the edible on edible. That because I'm edible, I do so much.

[Pablo Torre]

So at the end of this.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, shoot. I always forget about this part. We.

[Pablo Torre]

We find out that we have to have found something out. And Dan, I'm gonna ask you to go first because Katie clearly is still contemplating.

[Dan Le Batard]

I am. I am happy to go first because I cannot say that this happens to me very often watching television. What I learned today is that if I see on television Katie Nolan genuinely joyous, then I too, get to live vicariously through that joy. Because I was surprised that I was made happy by seeing her that happy. Seeing I did not underestimate her. I didn't have anything in the way of expectations for what it is. That would be the only way I process it was. I would be scared of doing that. I don't. I don't know that I would be somebody willing to have the bravery to do that because I would fear getting embarrassed. So when I saw her crushing was one of the highlights of my day to see her that happy, because I know how good that had to feel. Restorative good that had to feel for her to be able to enjoy that. And forgive me if I'm going too close to the lights here, Katie, but in watching what a bad fit and how much it must have hurt you to go from ESPN to baseball and have Apple baseball, like, sort of reject who you are. It made me. It made me very happy to see you in front of lights. You care about more than that. Glowing and happy and radiant. And it. It gave me genuine, borrowed joy.

[Pablo Torre]

It was like watching a great athlete finally get into an offense that is, like. That fits them. It was like, yes, I want to watch this. We did this today on the show. I want to watch this YouTube highlight reel. This is.

[Katie Nolan]

Which is nice. The thing Pablo said to me about it before was, and I mean this in the nicest way possible. It feels like a make a wish situation.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, no.

[Pablo Torre]

And I was like, well, it was a compliment.

[Katie Nolan]

I don't know if there's a nice way to take it, but I will take it that way. Oh, no, I'm just mad you picked. I mean, I'm glad and happy and Full of love that you said that. But I was as he threw to you, I was like, oh, I know what mine will be. I found out that when Dan cries, I cry. There's nothing that stuck like that happened when we did your show. And it's happening like when you start to tear up, my eyes just well with tears. But now it sounds like exactly what you said. Because when I'm happy, you're happy.

[Dan Le Batard]

Pain, grief and tears, you bring me joy. Seems lopsided.

[Katie Nolan]

No, I think it's an even switch.

[Pablo Torre]

Meanwhile, meanwhile, as you guys are experiencing.

[Katie Nolan]

What do you bring Pablo?

[Dan Le Batard]

Emotions.

[Pablo Torre]

What I found out is that is that in that very touching conversation about mental wellness, what I could not not get out of my brain was the idea that somewhere Christopher Maloney is listening to Katie Nolan mention Dan sneak in that on some of those questions, she wasn't even paying attention.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's right.

[Pablo Torre]

Like I was lucky.

[Dan Le Batard]

I was buzzing. I look on this Pablo Tori finds out like I'm masturbating on Celebrity Jeopardy. I knew the answers. Katie wasn't even paying attention and she kicked my ass.

[Katie Nolan]

Puppy category. I was so distracted that they had yawning puppies.

[Dan Le Batard]

That guy is so miserable today because as mad as he was on that set, he lost to somebody who wasn't paying attention and is terrible at math.

[Katie Nolan]

Unable an unemployed lady who just loves the show.

[Dan Le Batard]

Make a wish, unemployed lady.

[Katie Nolan]

Foreign.

[Pablo Torre]

If you do not know who Elliot Stabler is, if you have not watched hundreds of hours of Law and Order like I have, please get familiar and appreciate the feud that Katie Nolan is engaged in. The second greatest feud in my opinion at Meadowlark Media, right behind the one that we have at Pablo Torre finds out with David Sam Sampson who continues to find out that we will not stop finding out stuff. Thanks to Michael Antonucci, Ryan Cortez, Sam Dawig, Patrick Kim, Neely Loman, Rachel Miller, Howard Carl Scott, Ethan Schreier, Matt Sullivan, Chris Touminello, as well as studio engineering by Viridian Tech, post production by ngw Post our theme song by John Bravo and yes, enjoy your weekend. Unless, of course, course you are Christopher Maloney. I will talk to you next week.