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Welcome to Pablo Torre finds out I am Pablo Torre. And today we're gonna find out what this sound is.
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You're the dumbest person I've ever met.
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It's not good, Kevin. It's not good. Right after this ad.
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You'Re listening to Giraffe Kings. Oh, my legs aren't shaved enough to do that with it. Sorry.
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Disagree.
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I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it instead.
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They're rough. They're rough. I get a five o' clock shadow.
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Your ankle has never looked more progressive. That is the most feminist ankle.
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Thank you so much. You should see my armpits. Are we rolling still? Because that would be great. I don't mind.
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Katie Nolan. Kevin Clark. I need to say this because I've been shamed before about not saying it. Today is my birthday.
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Happy birthday, Pablo.
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B
We just had cupcakes.
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We did.
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I did.
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I've been a guy who.
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I don't know.
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I don't know why Katie did share.
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Breakfast sandwich.
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You were offered them. I did get half of your breakfast sandwich.
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Happy birthday for me. What'd you get him? I got him a cake pop and half of my breakfast.
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I was here when we sung Happy Birthday to him.
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I was outside the door. I couldn't get in because though I've been on this podcast three times now, I don't have a badge.
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Katie, why would they give you a badge?
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Does deserve a badge.
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I don't work here.
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No, you should deserve a badge and a gun.
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That's right.
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Happy birthday to me.
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Happy birthday to you. How old are you?
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I'm 38.
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Okay, so it's. It doesn't really matter.
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Yeah, it's not.
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We got two years to plan you the big one, right?
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It doesn't feel like anything's really changing. The. The growth is honestly that I am saying it out loud because historically I'm a person who's like, I'm not trying to test people.
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It felt like a test when on you had asked me to do this on Thursday, and then you said, oh, just kidding. Can we actually do it on Wednesday? And I almost said like, your birthday. And then I was like, no, don't say it. And then you can just surprise him by knowing it and make him feel loved. And then I woke up to a text from Lebatard, anyway, that it was your birthday. So even if I hadn't known.
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Dan texted you? No.
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Dan.
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No, he tweeted. No, that's what I meant. He tweeted that video that I'm tagged in.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I don't know why I have to be embarrassed on your birthday, but I.
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I, I didn't like that video.
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It wasn't a good look for you.
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No, you don't come off. We're not gonna, we're gonna not play that video.
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What if we played it? Let's take a look.
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Here is the.
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I believe we have a clip. Let's take a look.
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B
Here it is.
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Stop throwing to stuff.
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If we can take a look. Let's pull that up.
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I really don't like it when people throw to. No, no, don't play. Okay, good.
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He's gonna. They're gonna, they're gonna do it. Obviously, they don't have it ready to go. That's my fault. I should have sent that.
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Let's start.
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Let's start the show.
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Kevin Clark, you're making your debut.
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I'm so happy to be here.
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Katie Nolan is, is like a veteran at this.
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I feel whatever.
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At Sharon Tell. She just mostly feels whatever.
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Sure.
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C
It's getting hard to find things to share and tell. I haven't had this many things to tell in a long time.
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Well, I think we should start with Katie.
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C
Why?
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Yes, because Kevin Clark is. I mean, you have a new job. You work for ESPN and Omaha Productions.
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I do. I host a show called this Is Football.
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A
Already promoting. I didn't ask you to promote it just yet.
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What's it on? Where do I find it?
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You can find it wherever you get your podcasts or the ESPN NFL YouTube page and other ESPN social platforms.
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Okay.
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Kevin is a football expert, and Katie Nolan just had one hell, one hell of a football weekend.
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I would say 70 points. 70 points for a team I don't like. For a team that's so, you know.
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B
Do you have to start liking them?
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C
No, I. So actually explain.
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Explain for the people who have not seen all three.
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Everybody's got to know. And I'm sick of saying his name on podcasts. I have a fiance. His name's Dan. He is. He was middle school best friends with Mike McDaniel, now the head coach of the Miami Dolphins. So from like a. If you step back from that, if you're not. If you're sick of hearing the story, the sweet thing about it is, like, these are two kids who were friends in middle school and then now are both doing the thing they would have always wanted to do at the top of it. And it's very, very, very cool. However, when Mike McDaniel was going to go somewhere to be a head coach, I said specifically as long as it's not in the AFC East. Yeah, he didn't. Which is fine. But now I am going to tons of. I'm going to more Dolphins games than Pat's games, by a lot. And it's. It's fun. It's football, so it's fun. But it's also, at the same time, you're just like, man, this isn't my team. And my team's not really doing anything similar. I mean, they won this week.
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Well, in fact, your team through not just the first three games of the season, but the first four games of the. Well, actually, not just the first three games of the season, but when you combine it with the last preseason game, they have not yet scored as many points as the Dolphins scored. Oh, you did against the Broncos.
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Oh, you did the math at the.
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Game that you were a vip.
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It was very nice of you to do that math. Thank you. The game that I was watching while also watching the Patriots on Red Zone, because I'm like, this is. They're going to win. So this isn't really a close game. So the night before, we were at the McDaniels Space House. I always say their house looks like a spaceship. It's so nice and modern and fancy.
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Please, please.
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C
At a space house. I don't want to talk too much about. I don't know them like that. Like, Dan can do that. And then they can be like, hey, I don't want to reveal too much, okay?
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But it's rich people. I'm envisioning, like, Apollo 11.
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It's like everything's a built in, you know, so, like, you don't ever see any of their stuff. And then they push the wall and it opens and you're like, oh, that's a deep closet. I would never have suspected.
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Did they buy it from somebody or did they design a space house?
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I think they may have. They're in the process of redesigning it. But Weir. I thought they had designed it, but I guess not. They must have bought.
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Always tinkering. Always tinkering. The next innovation.
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But it looks like a house that. The most futuristic innovator in the NFL.
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A black mirror house. Where, like, if some want to be.
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Really dark about it. Yes.
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Well, no.
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They all have, like, these glass houses that cost $11 million. And it's always like, oh, I'm. I'm an insurance. I'm an insurance adjuster.
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All my Instagram likes is just these houses, incidentally.
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So we were there that night, the night before, watching. It wasn't the night before, it was Thursday, so it's like we were watching Thursday Night Football, you know, as you do on Saturday. We went over on Thursday when we got there.
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Sure.
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And Katie, Bunny, Mike McDaniel's wife, came out and said what?
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I'm just acknowledging the first name basis.
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Katie. It's Katie. Yeah. Well, I don't know where Bunny comes from. They call her Bunny so that we don't get confused, but not that she had the name Bunn. That's why I call it.
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You alpha'd Mike McDaniels? No, no, no, no, no.
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I would like to be very clear. That's not what happened. What I meant was, it's easier when Dan calls her Bunny, because then he doesn't always say Katie, and people think he's talking about me. And so now I call her Bunny. And then as I said Bunny, I was like, am I supposed to tell people her name's Bunny? I can't explain why her name's Bunny. Can I move on from this? I'm so nervous to be talking about this lovely family. But Katie came out and said, do you need any dolphin stuff for the game on Sunday? And I immediately. My shoulders went up and, like, I looked at Dan remove the Mike McDaniel of it all. You know when you're, like, with your person's people that you want to impress, like, you want to seem like a good, you know, partner to that person and whatever. And so I just immediately was like, does he need me to say yes to this? And so I, like, looked at him with a look that was like, I don't want to. Do I have to? And I just went. And he didn't give me anything.
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Yeah.
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He was just looking at me like, what's that? Dan just looks at me like, what's she gonna do in this situation? And I was like, help, Help, help, help. So then I just went, do I have to? And she said, no. And I was like, okay, cool. Then absolutely not. And she said, it's a white out. So we wore white.
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You're watching The Dolphins score 70 points against the team that Jordan and Mike McDaniel grew up in the same city as McDaniel was a ball boy. Everybody knows the story by now. The TV version of this was very funny to me. I assume to Kevin as well. At some point, you just start laughing.
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Yes.
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But you're there in person watching it. Like, what are you and Dan doing? As this is unending drinking.
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No, we don't do that.
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Okay.
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You're super stoned.
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Allegedly.
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In the state of Florida. Allegedly.
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Right. Illegal.
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I know, it's shocking. The most shocking thing. Every time.
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Sports, gambling and weed.
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What are we doing?
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Everything is legal down there.
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I know.
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Scamming is legal.
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That's right. Statutes legalizing Ponzi schemes, but don't smoke weed.
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So we were. What we were doing was laughing at Dan's friend Chad, who had come from Denver, because, as you said, Dan grew up in Denver. So the Broncos are the team that a young Mike McDaniel and a young Dan Soder were watching. That was in their Hometown. But Mike McDaniel's now a head coach, so you're not assuming he's a Broncos fan. That doesn't matter. And Dan was always a 49ers fan, so he's not a Broncos fan. So this didn't hurt that way. But their third friend, Chad, who also came to the game with his lovely wife Jenna, Chad is a Broncos fan. Oh, Chad. Chad has always been a Broncos fan. So Chad was watching. It would be like watching Dan watch the Dolphins, like, do this to the 49ers. It would just be a different level of. And so Chad was having a tough time watching it unfold in the suite of the head coach of the team. That was absolutely embarrassing.
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Was Chad wearing pittie Dolphins gear?
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No. Chad wore, I believe, all white because it was a white. We all got away with it because it was a whiteout. So you didn't have to, like, show any sort of allegiance.
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But this is my question for Kevin. Are we all just Chad now? Like, are we all just watching our teams get destroyed by the greatest offense in the history of football? Seriously?
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Yeah. So I don't know how you stop it. It's a very. Mike McDaniel runs what a souped up 5 year old would run, which is like fast guy. If you asked a 5 year old who's watched like 10 games, like, what should we do with football? He'd be like, let's get a bunch of fast guys and let's do a lot of confusing before the snap and then we'll just go from there. And that's really pretty much the basis of it. The bed stone and the bedrock and it's working. And they have the fastest people in football that they just combine them. Jalen Waddle wasn't even playing on Sunday and it seems to not matter.
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Absolutely wild.
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I've never seen anything like this as far as the speed and like, same. Barnwell and I were on the show, a show together a couple of days ago and he was like, well, 2018 Chiefs, 22,007 Patriots, which Katie remembers. Those teams didn't even score 60, and now we're at 70. Now it takes the institutional rot on the other side of the field.
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I was going to say, is it worth noting that the Broncos are a mess?
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I can't believe Sean Payton just might not be into this. He just might not be into this. He might just be like, you think.
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This is a cry for help?
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Kind of. Well, he was. Well, also, even afterwards, it was so fatalistic. He was like, you know, sometimes you just get your butt whipped in the NFL, but this is not that. And nobody was like, then what is this?
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Then what is this?
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What is this? Is this you just being like, what.
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Is beyond butt whipping?
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Yeah, I don't. I don't know. So we're just going to see this. It's not going to be like the Patriots. Katie's Patriots, they put up a fight. They had Christian Gonzalez on Tyreek Hill. It seemed to work a little bit. They could have won that game. Some special teams earlier this season.
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Yes.
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Yeah, two weeks ago. And so I don't think that they're going to go like 17 or whatever and then just romp to the Super Bowl. I mean, it reminds me actually a little bit of the beginning of the Lamar Jackson MVP year where guys didn't know what to do. And I remember going to Baltimore that year and some of the tight ends were telling me that, like there were linebackers on the other team that would just look over to their, Their. Their coaches and just be like, what do I do? And they're like, don't. Yeah, like, what do I do? These little kids looking up. Yeah. And so it just. I think a lot of times, especially in the NFL, there's a shock to the system for like two months. And then we figured out guys.
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Well, that's, that's.
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The guys get banged.
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You get the tape, Kevin. You slice up the all 22 and you adjust.
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I. A lot of teams, like, by the way, we talked about the 07 Patriots, they did lose and they almost lost to the giants in week 17 of the regular season as well. And then they lost two of the Giants.
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A
That must have been painful.
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Why are we doing this?
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Because they were also a good offensive team.
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Yeah.
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The then greatest offense we had ever.
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Seen by a significant amount.
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I'm interested to know your answer to a question. Can I ask it of you? How many good coaches are there in the NFL right now?
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I think he's usually seven or nine. We're still eight or nine.
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Belichick's good.
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Yeah, he is okay.
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All right.
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He is okay. But like eight or nine, typically. And then there's a bunch of guys who are just kind of system dependent. Do they have health? Do they have a good roster that year? And there's four or five guys who just can't coach. Like, I don't think Brandon Staley is capable of anything.
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Right. The Chargers. Yeah, sort of the shines come off of the analytics. Sort of darling aspect.
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Well, he doesn't even. Well, he got back into analytics on Sunday. He killed analytics last year. Back into analytics.
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But speaking of which, like Mike McDaniel, though, at top, like the power pole of both coaches of the NFL right now. But also nerds.
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Actual nerd, not fake nerd. Because there's a lot of the. This guy's just a football dork. And it's like, okay, it's just because they study military history and they don't shower for four days in a row. And it's like, no, Mike McDaniel is a legitimate. Like, he is the first Reddit coach, I think. And I'd say a couple things. I'll put it to you because you know him. I've met him less than five times, Katie.
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You oppressed his cabinets.
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He comes home, he goes. He does this. We talk for three minutes and he goes to sleep.
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You said the word bunny on this.
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Podcast, and I'm really regretting it.
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Truly.
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You're never going to be invited back to the ship.
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The only two things he does is vape and come up with unguardable place. Is that accurate, King? In other words, is there a third thing Mike McDaniel does?
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I don't. I don't think so. You. It's. I don't know. It.
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It seems, it seems unsustainable.
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It.
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Does it feel that way to you? Or can we, can we get ahead of where this conversation is going? Because scoring 70. Well, yeah, they're not going to score.
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70 points every single week, but that they're going to have Sean Payton on the other side having an existential crisis.
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But I say it's unsustainable because According to the DraftKings sportsbook, the bills are two and a half point favorites this weekend.
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So I think it's. I think it's a mixture of a lot of things. The game is not Miami, where famously the heat was such on.
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It was so hot.
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So it was so hot last year, God bless him. But last year the Bills lost.
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Oh, this was the thing about the.
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Sun and one of a couple. This is actually like a couple of like prominent Bills bloggers actually said. This is when I knew the Bills were eliminated from super bowl contention is they were like, we should call the, like the labor. National Labor Relations Board because Miami is an unsafe work environment after the game because it was like so hot on the field and Buffalo couldn't adjust to it. And I was like, this is to be. I've seen enough.
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A
You're calling the socialist manager on me.
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Literally, that's. I saw a couple tweets like that last. This time last year. And I was like, this. I've seen enough.
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80% humidity, though, is. Should be illegal.
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That. That gets all up in.
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It's too much. I went down there just to, you know, before the game and I was like, anyone running around in this is out of their mind.
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I like it. I grew up down there.
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Disgusting.
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Why are we burying the lead on Kevin Clark saying that he likes swamp as his resting stuff? So the other thing that brings us here today is the fact that I read this article in the New York Times and the article was. It's an article that I am always self conscious about talking about on this show because it's the genre of there's this thing happening on TikTok and you should know about it. And Katie is already Mr. Burnsing because this is her wheelhouse as well. But it's also Kevin Clark's wheelhouse because the story is titled, if I embarrass my baby on TikTok, will he stay my baby Forever? And it's about how there are these trends on TikTok in which. And maybe you've seen them, in which parents are throwing slices of cheese at the faces of their kids.
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C
Why?
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And cracking eggs on the heads of their babies. And it is wildly popular in part because it seems like this is, I guess, news. When you throw a slice of cheese at a baby, they will do something funny. And I took from this article something that I. I'm not proud of, but the instinct to figure out how to monetize my child. Truly, I'm like, okay, I'm not gonna throw the cheese. I'm not gonna crack the egg.
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Can I stop you there? If you throw something at a baby, whether it's cheese or not, they'll react in an unusual way because they're babies and they're not.
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C
So I think his point is throw bigger stuff at your baby or get bigger reactions.
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You know who reacts when you throw stuff at them? Any human.
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C
I don't know. Let's Find out.
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Kevin Clark BABY DEFENSE ATTORNEY now, listen, my client, I would say I have a lot of reactions.
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Babies can beat the weird reaction to cheese allegations. Like, this is not abnormal.
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A
But what is abnormal and yet totally normalized is the idea that there are kids out there. Like the unboxing kid. You familiar with this kid? Ryan's Toys, who may now be a tiny billionaire. I was gonna say, who may not now be 19 years old. And a billionaire was making, like, NBA Max contract money annually because he was opening toys, which is crazy, because opening.
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C
Toys is already the cool thing.
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B
Yeah, I was gonna say that.
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C
And you're making more money off of doing the thing you love to do.
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It's do what you love and you never will, you know, work a day in your life at Ryan's Toys. He's just making $30 million opening toys.
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The unboxing. By the way, to get on something of a tangent about this, because I'm fascinated by that. There is something to the idea of, like, vicariously living through your child, and not just as a parent, but, like, vicariously living through a child who is opening a box full of toys.
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But. And I get that. But for me, it's like, by the time I watch that child, who I now know is a millionaire, open his 79th gift, even I think 79 is my ceiling. I'm like, okay, I've seen this kid's reactions. I don't care. He's not gonna give me pure, unbridled joy every time. That's the part that I don't understand. It's like, why don't. I can't understand wanting to see a child experience that joy. But the same child experience that same joy three times a week for seven years. What's the. What are we doing?
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I got bad news for you.
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C
Yeah, It's. People love.
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It doesn't matter what you think. I know, because this is wildly popular, and it feels psychological. It feels, like, anthropological, too. Like, okay, so if you think about it, we're, like, vicariously participating in capitalism through this child. Yeah. A child's idea of what it means to be living the dream. Like, and the spontaneity, the surprise of, like, what's in the box? We gotta find out what's in the box.
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If you think about it, like, cooking shows, like, Chopped or whatever, we don't get to eat that food. So we're living technically, living vicariously through them too. We're watching them make it, and then we never get to eat it. And, like, that should seem, I would think, to the generation that is in the same position to us as we are to the generation we're talking about. But they'd be like, why would you.
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B
Isn't all TV living vicariously?
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C
Well, there's a question I don't think we have time for.
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B
There's nothing that, like, gets delivered to you at the end of it.
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C
Yeah, no, I guess you don't get the thing on Pawn Stars, but you can see the. Yes, you do. If you call.
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B
Call who?
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C
I don't know. You see Project Runway, you get to see the outfit.
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B
Yeah, but you don't get the outfit.
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C
No, I know, but you don't need to get the outfit to appreciate the outfit. Whereas, like, the food. I have no. I have no idea what that tastes like. I can see what it looks like. I have no idea what it tastes like, what you made. None. And I'll never know.
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B
I have a friend who worked at a reality TV company, and they said that one day, and they make all these different shows, and they said that one day someone ran from their office in New York City. They run out into the sort of newsroom, I guess you could call it, and they just screamed, ghosts are real.
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C
Hmm.
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B
And then they went back in.
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A
I. I have a ghost take.
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C
Where are we going?
- [21:08]
A
Do you want to hear my ghost take?
- [21:09]
B
It's a reality show discussion that I thought that I would punctuate with ghosts are real. But now he has a ghost reality.
- [21:14]
A
Now I have a ghost take.
- [21:15]
C
Now we're off to the races.
- [21:18]
A
I would love ghosts to be real because then I grew up Catholic. Then I could finally believe that, like, in my objective mind, that God is real.
- [21:28]
B
That's a pretty mainstream take. You do not read. As a Catholic Yankee fan growing up.
- [21:32]
A
I am both of those things. My. The priest of my parish was the Yankees team chaplain.
- [21:37]
B
No.
- [21:38]
A
I have an autographed Derek Jeter spring training pamphlet that he addressed to Pablo Tor.
- [21:45]
C
Oh.
- [21:46]
A
Which was disheartening because my last name is the same last name as his manager.
- [21:51]
C
Yeah.
- [21:51]
B
Yeah.
- [21:52]
A
On the other hand, if you're signing.
- [21:53]
B
To a kid, don't put a last name.
- [21:55]
C
Yeah. What? Kids don't have last names?
- [21:57]
A
The resale value on this pamphlet is very low, is my point. But ghosts are real, I hope, because then all things are possible.
- [22:05]
C
But isn't. I don't want to sound stupid, so maybe I should just leave it. But isn't. Aren't you not supposed to believe in. Aren't those two things at odds? Technically, if you were a devout Catholic, I don't think you believe in the paranormal.
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B
I agree.
- [22:17]
C
But, I mean, I get what you're. I understand what you're saying, like on a base level, but I don't think.
- [22:20]
B
Pablo wants to know. There's something there. There's just something there. The two plus two equals five sometimes.
- [22:24]
A
Yes, yes. And theologically speaking, does the Catholic Church abide by the existence of ghosts?
- [22:29]
C
I don't think.
- [22:30]
B
No, I don't think.
- [22:32]
C
I think it's seen as the occult.
- [22:33]
B
Mm.
- [22:34]
A
I'm going to have to call my. My. My priest.
- [22:37]
B
It just seems like it would be outside the boundaries of what. Of what the belief system is.
- [22:42]
C
I think. I think if you're going by its strictest. I don't even think yoga is chill by Catholicism.
- [22:47]
A
In terms of what I'm supposed to do with my child, faith aside, how much I'm supposed to do with her in public, that is both accruing to my self interest. Right. This is a story in the New York Times about parents figuring out that children are content and that this is not just like, oh, a wonderful memory we can treasure together forever, but also like, oh, this is doing something for people. And I wonder, Kevin, as a new dad, what is your strategy with child content?
- [23:23]
B
Non. Existent. So I have two Instagram accounts, as I think you know. One is for. Is for private, my friends and family. One is for content. This sort of right. When we.
- [23:32]
C
When we take a photo, I don't think we follow each other on that private one. I think I'm just.
- [23:38]
B
I follow you. You don't follow me back.
- [23:39]
C
Oh, no.
- [23:40]
A
I think it's because.
- [23:40]
B
I think it's because it's really hard for me to be like, here's my private account. Follow me back.
- [23:44]
C
Okay. But do that today so that I can make sure I. Okay.
- [23:46]
B
You gotta see Teddy. Other folks cannot see Teddy. Cannot see Teddy. Nor will they ever. Part of that is that my wife works at the Wall Street Journal, investigates and publishes stories on very powerful people. Occasionally she gets some blowback on that. And pretty significant. I wouldn't say threats, but you know, people dig in. Right.
- [24:05]
A
An actual journalist.
- [24:06]
B
Yeah. And like even the other day somebody came after me. Cause I said something. I said Ryan Day was soft for getting in a fight with 86 year old Lou Holtz. And like, which is so true. Immediately there's one picture of kind of the back of Teddy's head on my Twitter. And immediately there were like three Ohio State fans being like, he looks like the mailman, bro. And so like, you just have to get used to that kind of stuff. And so that Teddy will never be focused, will never be the focal point of anything content wise.
- [24:32]
A
So, wait, you made this?
- [24:33]
B
Including the fact he is incredibly like Gerber baby. Cute, fat cheeks.
- [24:37]
A
This is the thing.
- [24:38]
B
He looks like the dictionary definition of a baby. A woman at Target who works at Target the other day came up to him and said, hey, fat baby. Just out loud. Ph, yes, exactly.
- [24:52]
A
Exactly. Just the.
- [24:53]
C
And she didn't even know she was getting an exclusive. She got to see that baby's face.
- [24:55]
B
That's exactly right.
- [24:59]
A
The decision you've made already to say, I'm never gonna show this kid to anyone is not the decision that I made. Oh, we're doing this.
- [25:08]
C
Oh, my God.
- [25:09]
B
You can swipe too.
- [25:11]
C
Oh, my God.
- [25:13]
A
So Katie Nolan is looking at Kevin Clark's cell phone for the podcast audience.
- [25:16]
C
Really like that sweatshirt.
- [25:17]
A
And I'm gonna be honest with you, Kevin, before I even see this, I'm going to say this baby is cute. And you could be showing me a picture of Skyline Chili. Like, I'm just gonna have to say this is cute.
- [25:27]
C
It's a cute baby.
- [25:29]
A
Honestly, though, that. That's.
- [25:30]
C
That's cute baby.
- [25:31]
B
So. But this is.
- [25:32]
A
So Kevin Clark's authentically cute baby is the dilemma here.
- [25:37]
C
Right. Because I want to see that content.
- [25:40]
A
Because.
- [25:40]
B
Right.
- [25:41]
A
It's daring you to do something with this.
- [25:43]
C
Yeah.
- [25:44]
A
Like, and I don't want to Violet, my daughter, who's three. Who's three.
- [25:47]
B
So here you go. Thank you.
- [25:48]
C
More baby for me.
- [25:50]
A
I don't want to turn her into a child actor, but at the same time, I'm like, I don't know if Ryan's Toys is making $25 million. Yeah.
- [25:57]
B
I mean, we just turned that camera off. We have to destroy that camera.
- [25:59]
A
We're going to have to redact. Redact that. Yeah. It feels. I have not made this decision. I'm not saying I'm never gonna do it. In fact, I've already started posting, like, photos of Violet here and there.
- [26:10]
B
Yeah. You know, so Teddy, as you saw in the photo there, went to his first football game over the weekend, which was in name only. Was it a football game? It was a temple Miami game. 20,000 people in a 70,000 seat stadium. We had club seats. We were able to feed him on the couches. He took his biggest ever poop.
- [26:26]
C
This exact same thing. Experience that I had in Miami that.
- [26:29]
B
Day.
- [26:31]
C
Like, to a T. Took his.
- [26:32]
B
Biggest ever poop in. In the club level. Had some lentil that I think may have been.
- [26:38]
C
Oh, good. Glad we're reporting this.
- [26:40]
B
Yeah. And so anyway, no photos, but if you tell them.
- [26:42]
C
Let me tell you about his poop.
- [26:43]
B
No, but it took like 30 minutes to clean up. Like, we were in the family. Family restroom. We had to change him and all that stuff. And I was thinking, like, this could be amazing content. I'm in the link. You know, Eagles fans could say, yeah, I've been in that bathroom before. And I could only do it verbally. I talked about it on my show on Sunday. This is football via Omaha Productions, espn.
- [27:05]
C
And then, that's enough of that. No more of that.
- [27:07]
B
I might do it one more time.
- [27:09]
C
That's enough.
- [27:10]
B
I might do it one more time. I think two is enough, but I can't. I thought about those photos becoming public, and I just. I'm not going to do it because where do you draw the line?
- [27:21]
A
Right? Right. I do have content brains. Dominique Foxworth, our friend, makes fun of me for this all the time. He asked me what I wanted for my birthday today. I said, I want you to come on my podcast. And I said it unironically.
- [27:31]
C
Did he give it to you?
- [27:32]
A
Yeah, he agreed.
- [27:33]
C
Nice.
- [27:34]
A
And now he's found next week. I think that's beautiful.
- [27:37]
C
Okay, cool.
- [27:37]
A
But truly, like, I can't stop seeing my life through the lens of, like, is this good content? And I hate it. But I also feel like it's an evolutionary again, one of those things where.
- [27:46]
B
I'm like, don't you think that you would produce good content if that were the case?
- [27:51]
A
Oh, I see. Oh, I see. Kevin's problem with Pablo Torre finds out is that this isn't football. Kevin, Hi.
- [28:11]
C
What'd you bring?
- [28:12]
A
What did you bring us? What did you bring us?
- [28:14]
B
I want to preface this by saying I have a huge amount of respect for scammers.
- [28:20]
C
Okay.
- [28:21]
A
As a Floridian.
- [28:22]
B
As a Floridian, the two things that's part of your culture, I feel it is. It is my culture. I feel like I'm well versed, like a 10,000 hour theory in dealing with scammers. Identifying scammers, not signing anything in the presence of scammers, which is important. Also, bar fights. I've seen a lot of bar fights, and I can kind of within three or four seconds identify whether or not somebody or something is a problem. I'm really good at that.
- [28:46]
A
That is a hell of a claim. But proceed.
- [28:48]
B
I'm just really good. I'm just like. And also, that would extend geopolitical issues where I'm always just like, yeah, these guys are not neutral. Yeah, no, no, no. I actually did see that one coming. Or like, when North Korea is like, oh, we're testing this stuff. It's like, all right, buddy, you gonna talk about it? You can do something. Okay. Like that kind of thing.
- [29:05]
C
Sure.
- [29:05]
B
You know, you go to enough spring breaks in Daytona beach, you understand this.
- [29:08]
C
Yeah, yeah.
- [29:09]
B
And so all this leads to. Not the bar fight thing, the scamming, a story in Vox and other places.
- [29:17]
C
And other places.
- [29:18]
B
And other places.
- [29:19]
A
Multiple sources.
- [29:19]
C
It's not an exclusive.
- [29:21]
B
So there's a Deloitte survey that says that Gen Z Americans are three times more likely to get caught up in an online scam than baby boomers, 16% to 5%, respectively. Now, there's a couple of things about this. Number one is that boomers are sort of branded as people who get caught up in scams. They're not technologically advanced. All of this stuff. What I like about this. And by the way, that's true. I had an extended family member who is a boomer get caught up in a scam the last 24 months or so. And I'll tell you what didn't happen. Nobody in my family was like, I am gobsmacked. This happened. Everybody was like, yeah, no, no, no.
- [30:06]
A
That's his homepage is yahoo.com. he was just waiting around.
- [30:09]
B
He was just waiting around to get scammed. They got him good. I'll say that. They got him good.
- [30:14]
C
Damn.
- [30:15]
B
So what I like about this, it's almost like the scammers, again, we're all praised, the scammers.
- [30:22]
C
Why almost. Why are we praising scammers?
- [30:25]
B
Because they're getting it done. Didn't you hear the stats?
- [30:27]
C
Yeah. All right.
- [30:29]
B
So it reminds me a little bit.
- [30:33]
A
Because you play to win the game. That's why I'm not here to lose.
- [30:36]
B
The whole narrative is that Gen Z, they're just on top of things. They've had the Internet since they were three years old.
- [30:42]
A
Right.
- [30:43]
B
So you feel like because of the reputation of Gen Z, you'd be afraid to go with them. It's almost like a top cornerback in football. And this happened, like, famously with, like, Namdi Asamoa, if you remember him.
- [30:54]
A
Oh, yeah.
- [30:54]
B
Where the whole thing when he was with the Raiders was, nobody threw the at. Nobody threw at him. Then he goes to the Eagles. People threw at him, and it turns out he was just okay. It was that nobody just tested him in Oakland because it wasn't an issue. You could throw other places. And so the scammers, correctly, were like, we've identified Gen Z as incredibly scammable. And we're going right in. We're going to grab the bull by the horns. It's working. I would say these numbers are.
- [31:18]
A
That is surprising to me.
- [31:19]
B
Admittedly, the Gen Z can get scammed.
- [31:23]
A
Because they're not that they can, but that they are at a rate that is far in excess of people who learned about the Internet through aol.
- [31:31]
C
I also, I think though, that you're on the Internet so much more that just that numbers wise has to increase your chance of opportunities. Right. There's more chances to touch.
- [31:43]
B
They just want to be.
- [31:44]
C
To them.
- [31:44]
B
I agree. They just want to be involved in stuff. Like, you ever walk around soho and there's like a line around the block for something and you think, oh, it must be like, you know, like you get in something and it's like, it's actually for like a coffee. And he's like, what? It's like, oh, this coffee was on TikTok. And it's like, okay, I know exactly.
- [31:58]
A
The store you're talking about.
- [31:59]
B
I do too. I'm not going to name it because.
- [32:02]
A
You want to shop at that store on our.
- [32:03]
B
I do not want. I went in there one day and I was like, this is not for me.
- [32:07]
A
And I, I can't even pronounce the name of the store.
- [32:09]
B
That's actually why I'm not saying not.
- [32:10]
A
Not for a Leon Dore.
- [32:13]
B
Oh, yeah.
- [32:13]
A
That's how close. I've never heard of another way to feel very old.
- [32:17]
B
It's just. Yeah, it's, it's. The vibe's okay, but there's always a long ass line. And I'm just like, okay, I'm just not gonna do this.
- [32:23]
A
But they're desperate young people.
- [32:25]
B
You could get online and scam they want. Absolutely. There's no.
- [32:29]
C
So bad.
- [32:30]
B
As we said earlier, there's no monoculture. Right. So they just. If the monoculture just getting $30,000 lost in some, like, weird home equity loan scam, that's. That's great for them. I think the overarching point here. And like, I was a history major in college. Okay, the.
- [32:46]
A
That does track that 100%.
- [32:49]
B
The one thing that I think is important when you study history is like, every generation, every person is basically the same. Starting in like 900, you'll read stuff. And it's like, well, this guy might as well just live right now. Right? Everybody's aggressively modern. There's not really much that's new. When you. And also like, you. You read about like, Abraham Lincoln And George Washington and they've got, like, crippling self doubt and, you know, it's like, everybody's the same. Everybody's the same. George Washington was a nightmare to work with. A nightmare.
- [33:15]
C
Love it.
- [33:15]
B
Constantly threatening to quit. Just a real office.
- [33:20]
C
Damn. I'm gonna tell him you said this.
- [33:21]
A
George Washington definitely would have gotten. What's that thing?
- [33:24]
C
Canceled.
- [33:26]
B
He has been canceled. No, he has been canceled.
- [33:28]
C
I think he's done. He's so canceled, he's not even around.
- [33:30]
B
He's done. That's the team.
- [33:31]
A
I was gonna say, like Brazilian lip fillers or whatever it is. Yeah, he had the wooden teeth thing going. Yeah.
- [33:35]
C
It is a bbl. It wasn't the first bbl.
- [33:37]
B
It was like hippopotamus teeth. Right?
- [33:39]
A
That's right.
- [33:40]
C
Oh, my God.
- [33:41]
B
For real?
- [33:41]
A
That's right.
- [33:41]
B
Yeah. It was in wooden teeth.
- [33:43]
C
No, hippopotam.
- [33:45]
A
History. History major.
- [33:47]
B
So the point is, by the way, George Washington is canceled.
- [33:51]
C
Yes.
- [33:51]
B
But the point is, like, every generation, finally, every generation's the same. And like, there's an old George Carlin bit about how, like, everybody says, like, the kids are a feature or whatever. And it's like, well, there's probably a bunch of losers in the kid generation. Just by percentage wise, it's mostly a bunch of losers and then a couple of winners. And we had this whole thing where like, somehow, like, the generation below us, Gen Z became, like, progressive coded. And everyone's like, well, the kids are all right. They're gonna be our future.
- [34:15]
A
And it's like, nah, Greta Thunberg.
- [34:17]
B
Yeah, exactly.
- [34:17]
A
They're all Greta Thunberg.
- [34:18]
B
Right. And instead they're just boomers, but they wear Omni Leon door. They're little tiny boomers and they're getting out of their pockets.
- [34:27]
C
But I do think. I haven't seen. I haven't heard of any Gen Z buying gold coins off of a cable broadcast.
- [34:35]
A
Did you miss the whole NFT thing?
- [34:37]
B
That's number one.
- [34:38]
C
Yeah, but a lot of us did that. That was a lot. And I'm looking at you, Jimmy Fallon, whatever the hell that whole thing was. That was the most obvious thing.
- [34:46]
B
What did Jimmy Fallon do? Why did he become the face of NFTs?
- [34:50]
A
He and Paris Hilton again?
- [34:51]
B
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [34:52]
C
It's just like, so. I've never seen something that was so transparently like, hey, this isn't a thing. And everybody was like, you're the idiot. It's a thing. And then so quickly now they're like, by the way, NFTs weren't real and it's done now. And they were a big scam. And everyone's like, what? Crazy.
- [35:09]
B
I was once at a bar on the west side and it was like 5pm and one of the bartenders was like, hey, last night they were talking, hey, Jimmy Fallon. And like some other celebrity came in last night and they like manned the bar and everybody was all amped. And I was like, that must have been cool. And he was like, it was a nightmare.
- [35:24]
C
That would be my immediate reaction is that sounds like a nightmare.
- [35:27]
A
He laughed at everything.
- [35:29]
B
Yeah, yeah.
- [35:30]
A
He said while laughing.
- [35:31]
B
He was like, it was not at everything. Not cool. This is like 2013 or whatever. So I felt, I thought it was cool. I would have been like, hey, there's Big JF behind the bar. That's exciting.
- [35:41]
C
Big J. F. I'd been scammed.
- [35:43]
B
I would have been scammed. I would have been scammed to think it was cool. So anyway, I think that you're gleeful.
- [35:50]
A
About this statistic though.
- [35:51]
C
No, you seem like you're dunking.
- [35:53]
B
But here's the difference, right? You say you haven't heard about Gen Z getting scammed or whatever. Gold coins, gold coins, all this stuff. So I think the difference is, is that Gen Z is smart enough, if there's any difference between generations, to now broadcast it. Okay. Like my ex family member. Yeah, but they know. They're like, ah, lost $15,000 on this weird offshore thing, this investment I invested in in wind in Columbia and that turned out to be a thing. And Columbia University. And now I've lost that money. They're not going to put that on TikTok.
- [36:30]
C
All right? I don't know.
- [36:31]
B
I think they have to put their babies on TikTok.
- [36:33]
C
How old is Gen Z unboxing. Isn't Gen Z nine? They're like nine years old right now. No, nine to 21.
- [36:41]
B
They're like in college now.
- [36:43]
A
How old is Gen Z? That's right is what I'm googling.
- [36:46]
C
Yes.
- [36:46]
A
They're currently between 9 and 24 years old.
- [36:50]
C
I was so close.
- [36:51]
A
There are nearly 60 million.
- [36:52]
B
I'm talking about the ones that are 21 to 24.
- [36:55]
C
Okay, well you can't just do. That's Elder. That's Elder Z's zelders elders. The. Yeah, you're speaking. You're addressing the culture by talking to their elders. I guess that is respectful, but I don't think the nine year olds have babies. I could be wrong. I don't know what's going on.
- [37:10]
B
I'm not on tick tock, but the nine year olds are getting scammed for sure.
- [37:15]
A
I am nine.
- [37:16]
C
Because they're nine.
- [37:17]
B
They're nine.
- [37:18]
C
They're probably dragging down the stats to be honest. It's probably like the 9, 10, 11, 12 that are like just clicking on those things. They're also spending a bunch of their parents money on like buyable downloads.
- [37:28]
B
Oh, that's true. Video games. I mean, if we're counting like when somebody gets their parents credit card and.
- [37:33]
C
Puts them on like that's dragging the whole gen down.
- [37:36]
B
Or like Minecraft thing. The ultimate team stuff where people spend like $11,000 just to get what?
- [37:43]
C
Truly $11,000.
- [37:44]
B
I mean a lot of money just to get like, like Harry Kane.
- [37:49]
C
He's one of our own.
- [37:50]
B
He is one of our own, but he's also expensive in ultimate team.
- [37:55]
A
I am.
- [37:55]
B
That's a scam. Harry Kane is a scam. What? I'm with Todd McCann.
- [37:59]
C
Controversial. You have so many. I'm with Todd kicks. I forget that you're at ESPN now.
- [38:02]
B
I like him a lot. It was a joke. But he's at Bayern Munich now and now we're winning. In addition by subtraction. We scammed Bayern Munich.
- [38:08]
A
Harry Kane.
- [38:09]
B
Love you, Harry.
- [38:09]
A
30 years old.
- [38:10]
C
He doesn't love you.
- [38:11]
A
30 years old.
- [38:11]
C
30 years old.
- [38:12]
A
Yep. Yep. I clicked on an email. I still have an ESPN email account that I never log into. And I opened it recently and I clicked on a link in an email and I was notified that I had just fallen for a Disney orchestrated scam.
- [38:31]
C
Yes. You fell for the fake scam. Wait a second. That's a scam.
- [38:34]
B
Wait a second. Wait a second.
- [38:35]
A
I failed the test.
- [38:37]
B
So this is like at the airport when like once a year they put through the fake bombs at TSA and they're like all.
- [38:42]
C
He got Secret shoppered into a scam.
- [38:44]
A
That's right.
- [38:46]
B
What was that undercover CEO show?
- [38:47]
A
I got the Undercover Boss.
- [38:48]
B
Undercover. Undercover Boss.
- [38:49]
A
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Jimmy Pitaro jumped out of the screen and was like, you did not do any of the webinars. And that was accurate. I felt ashamed.
- [38:58]
C
You should. And I actually.
- [38:59]
A
Profoundly ashamed.
- [39:00]
C
I actually feel secondhand embarrassed.
- [39:02]
A
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [39:03]
C
Do you want to cut this out kind of.
- [39:06]
B
No, I want to move it to the front.
- [39:10]
C
Why did you click on it? How'd they entice you?
- [39:16]
A
I don't want to say.
- [39:17]
C
I do.
- [39:17]
B
Oh, no.
- [39:18]
C
I do. Now you must. Now you must.
- [39:21]
A
It was a link to a thing and I was like, oh, oh. This is like. It was. It was a password. Phishing scam. Sure.
- [39:31]
C
But what was the link? Pablo, you know how they could have gotten me and maybe this is what happened to you is that they did that. Like you're overdue for your compliance training. Almost like they send you that email every day. Every day? Yes. Pants, let's say.
- [39:46]
B
Do you know that the ringer people used to get, Maybe they still do. We have a famous boss and there are people who would pose to Sam in phishing scams. They'd be like, hey, like, click on this link. And I'd be like that. I doubt my famous boss would have.
- [40:01]
A
Why are we anonymizing Bill Simmons?
- [40:03]
C
Yeah. What?
- [40:04]
B
I don't know.
- [40:04]
C
I just, like, I talk about Bunny. You gotta talk about Bill. Everybody knows his name.
- [40:09]
B
It was weird emails. We would get weird phishing emails.
- [40:11]
A
Yeah.
- [40:12]
B
It would be like, your photos are ready.
- [40:14]
C
And it's like, Bill's always texting me that. Bill's always like, email.
- [40:18]
B
Also email, which he doesn't even use for. For that kind of stuff. And he's.
- [40:22]
C
He's always bbming me about my photos being ready. It's BlackBerry messenger. The kids have no idea what that is.
- [40:29]
A
Brazilian butt Messenger.
- [40:30]
B
We didn't get scams.
- [40:33]
C
Yeah, did we did. How do millennials do in this poll? Do we get scammed?
- [40:36]
B
We've never been scammed.
- [40:37]
C
Never.
- [40:37]
B
Millennials scammed.
- [40:38]
C
Congratulations. We just eat avocado toast and can't afford homes.
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A
Can I tell you the actual time I got scammed? That I don't even know if I want to put this on tape.
- [40:48]
C
I'm ready. Have you ever been scammed? Because I don't think I have, but.
- [40:51]
A
I don't trust any scams.
- [40:53]
C
Yeah, me neither.
- [40:53]
A
Then this is incredibly vulnerable.
- [40:55]
C
I believe that if you told me that I had, I'd go, that sounds right. But I can't think right now of an example of when it's happened.
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A
I'm a native New Yorker, Right. I'm walking here.
- [41:03]
C
Sure.
- [41:04]
A
I see it very plausibly, the thing that I say. So I was walking here down Fifth Avenue one night. I was fact checking at Sports Illustrated. Literally checking facts. This occurs to me now that that was my job. I'm checking facts, walking down Fifth Avenue, and this Italian guy, and I hate to racialize him, but this is key to the story. He is in a car and his trunk is open, and he's like, I'm not gonna do the accent. Cause I can't.
- [41:31]
C
Oh, my God.
- [41:31]
A
And Katie's Italian, so I can't do it.
- [41:33]
C
Thank you.
- [41:33]
B
Katie can do it. Katie can do it.
- [41:36]
A
So he says, you know, excuse me, Excuse me, sir.
- [41:41]
C
Hey, buddy. That's what it would probably sound like. We'll translate.
- [41:44]
A
He's like, I'm headed to the airport right now. I can't pay. Oh yeah, I can't pay the fee on this trunk of high end leather jackets that I have.
- [41:55]
B
Oh my God, how did you.
- [41:56]
C
Pablo, dude, how did you fall for this?
- [41:57]
A
I don't even want to tell this story.
- [41:58]
C
Literally falling out the back of a truck.
- [42:01]
A
This is actually. Oh my God, I'm fringing on my own.
- [42:04]
C
I know. Why don't you just let him. Let's let him get through it really fast.
- [42:07]
A
So he's like, hey, do you want any of these? I'm trying to get rid of him at discount.
- [42:12]
B
Oh my God.
- [42:13]
A
It's like 10pm oh my God, 10pm.
- [42:15]
B
How old are you?
- [42:17]
A
I'm 24 years old. I know at one point I'm gonna feel self conscious about competing with Kevin Clark in a jacket off. And I'm like. So I say to him, and this is true, I say to him, I don't have cash on me, man. Sorry. And I try to leave and he's like, there's a bank right there.
- [42:33]
C
Oh, how convenient. You went?
- [42:36]
A
I went, I went, I went to a second location. I wanted, I wanted this jacket.
- [42:43]
C
Was it that nice of a jacket?
- [42:45]
B
What was the brand?
- [42:46]
A
So I go to the bank.
- [42:49]
C
It was cold.
- [42:49]
A
I go to the bank, I go to the bank, I withdraw. I think it was like a hundred and thirty dollars.
- [42:55]
C
Good discount.
- [42:56]
A
That's what I said. Processing, fact checking. Yep, that sounds like a discount. And I take out the money and I give it to this guy and he hands me this like brown leather jacket and I take it home and I'm like, I did it like this. What a deal. And immediately I get home and of course this is just like levels upon levels of naivete. I try it on. Doesn't really fit that well.
- [43:21]
C
I'm like, you didn't even do that. Jackets are not hard to try on.
- [43:25]
A
He was moving me on.
- [43:26]
C
Jacket goes over.
- [43:28]
B
He was hustling me along.
- [43:29]
A
He's like, I gotta go to the airport right now. Come on, let's.
- [43:31]
C
Oh my God, the airport with a.
- [43:34]
B
10Pm trunk full of. Taking a rat.
- [43:36]
A
This is accurate. None of this is exaggerated.
- [43:38]
C
Damn.
- [43:39]
A
So I, I.
- [43:40]
B
You're the dumbest person I've ever met.
- [43:42]
A
It's not good, Kevin. It's not good.
- [43:44]
C
I don't think it's gonna get better.
- [43:46]
A
And of course. What I do is I'm like. And then I sit down on my couch.
- [43:53]
C
Oh, no.
- [43:54]
A
And I'm like, the color transferred. I'm just like, let me just check something. And I Google leather jacket scam.
- [44:04]
C
What?
- [44:05]
A
And I see in a message board thread exactly what happened to me. Complained about by other people. And I'm like, okay, I'm an idiot.
- [44:16]
B
That's true.
- [44:16]
A
I threw out the jacket.
- [44:18]
C
But you paid for it. It was already a sunk cost. Just keep it.
- [44:21]
A
You think I wanted that, reminding me that I did this?
- [44:23]
C
I mean, it's a good reminder so that every day you don't make that same mistake every time you shrug that ugly.
- [44:28]
A
I have shoulders about this to literally anybody.
- [44:33]
C
Every time you pull your arm in difficult, you'll go, don't. Not getting scammed today. But you can't bend your arm that much, so you just go. Not getting scammed today.
- [44:40]
A
You know what was even worse? The jacket was too big.
- [44:43]
B
Oh, my God.
- [44:44]
C
Too big.
- [44:45]
A
I was like a child swimming in this fake ass jacket. Yeah. Yeah.
- [44:49]
B
At that point, you just have to gain weight.
- [44:51]
C
Yeah. Bulk up. It's jacket season. Holy cow, Pablo. That's like a cartoon. That's a cartoon.
- [45:02]
A
There's no way to spin this. Happy birthday to me.
- [45:05]
C
Happy birthday. I had a roommate in college who.
- [45:08]
B
We have to get you a leather jacket, by the way.
- [45:10]
C
Yeah, no, a brown leather. Have you ever owned a brown leather jacket?
- [45:13]
A
It's gonna be ptsd.
- [45:15]
C
Yeah. For real. I had a roommate in college who was like, you know, this was 2000. It was not in college. It was right after college. We moved to New York City. So it was 2009, and jobs were tough to come by, and we had all moved to the city. This, like, fake third bedroom where she. They had put up a fake wall. And this girl lived in this tiny room.
- [45:33]
B
I know this.
- [45:33]
C
And she was like, I need to get a job. And she wanted to be on Broadway. But that dream fizzles very quickly when you're in. There's no rent. And so she was like, I just need to get a job.
- [45:41]
A
So she found plays on Broadway about rent.
- [45:43]
C
Exactly. Yep. She found a Craigslist post about this job. I think it was gonna be babysitting kids or something. And she. There was just the way I found out about this. We were leaving the apartment and I was like. She was like, oh, I'll come with you. I have to go to the bank. So I was like, what are you going to the bank for? You don't have any money. You haven't paid rent two months. And she was like, I'm gonna go to the. Because this. I got this job. They just need me to send them. They accident. They sent me too much. They sent me my first check, but they sent too much. And so I just have to send them back a couple hundred. And I was like, when did that check get there? When did that get into your account? She was like, yesterday. I was like, do not do this. That check's gonna bounce. And then you're just gonna be negative, however much money they're making you send back. And she was like, you don't trust anybody.
- [46:31]
A
I don't like how your stories about how you guys are good at avoiding scams.
- [46:36]
C
Not even my own. It was happening to somebody else.
- [46:38]
A
Yeah.
- [46:38]
C
And I was like, that's clearly. Cause here's my first instinct is always, what are you trying to get out of this? My first instinct is this doesn't feel like this isn't a normal behavior. So what is? I try to find the scam in everything. And it is annoying because sometimes people are just not scamming you.
- [46:55]
A
My instinct is, cool jacket.
- [47:04]
C
But you didn't even try it on.
- [47:06]
A
That's how cool it was.
- [47:07]
C
What I think is that you paid a hundred and whatever dollars because you felt bad.
- [47:12]
B
So because you didn't want to say.
- [47:13]
C
No to an Italian guy, you didn't want it to be uncomfortable.
- [47:17]
B
Honestly, in New York City, it's an isolating city. And you were just like, I want to give $130 to feel connected.
- [47:24]
C
I didn't want to say no.
- [47:25]
A
It's even more embarrassing.
- [47:26]
C
People pleasing.
- [47:27]
A
I think it's.
- [47:28]
C
People, please.
- [47:29]
A
We're done. This is act. That's.
- [47:30]
B
I think we can.
- [47:31]
C
I don't think I'm coming back. I don't think I'm going to be invited back.
- [47:33]
B
Unfortunately, Katie and I just have stopping scamming stories and you have seems like maybe an endless pile of being scammed.
- [47:40]
A
You're gonna come back. I'm gonna want to make you happy.
- [47:42]
C
Yes, yes. Surround yourself with people pleasers.
- [47:59]
A
All right, so we end every show.
- [48:02]
C
Oh, yeah. We're saying what we learned and every.
- [48:04]
A
Time we say what it is that we found out. Today on Pablo Torre finds out. I will start because I found out that I shouldn't have told that story.
- [48:17]
C
Yeah, me too.
- [48:19]
A
Yeah.
- [48:19]
C
I was gonna say I found out I'm smarter than Pablo at one thing. And it's scams. It's not everything, but it's one more than I thought when I came to scam.
- [48:27]
A
It's a pretty large topic.
- [48:30]
C
Turns out it's pretty pivotal too.
- [48:31]
B
Found out we're in downtown Manhattan. I have to get to LaGuardia, but I cannot pay the fees on leather jackets, and I need to just. If you could, there's a bank right downstairs.
- [48:43]
A
Kevin Clark is not coming back.
- [48:46]
C
Yes on the jackets or no?
- [48:48]
A
Okay, I think we're done. Can we end it?
- [48:54]
C
Pablo, what the.
- [48:56]
A
I know.
- [48:57]
C
Pablo, what is the I know?
- [48:59]
A
I investigate stories now.
- [49:01]
C
You had checked this excuse. You had no cash on.
- [49:04]
A
I know.
- [49:06]
C
PayPal. It was pre. Any of that. You could have walked away.
- [49:10]
B
What's most embarrassing is that when Kevin.
- [49:12]
A
Was saying, I have to go to the Gordy, I was like, oh, he has to go. He has to catch a flight.
- [49:15]
C
Yeah, me too. I really.
- [49:17]
A
I did not catch on. Everybody in the room is laughing. I did not catch on until, like, three beats in, and I was like, oh, this has been Pablo Torre finds Out a Meadowlark Media production. And I'll talk to you next time.