Sir Mix-a-Lot Finds Out

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Sir Mix-a-Lot Finds Out"

Podcast: Pablo Torre Finds Out
Host: Pablo Torre (The Athletic)
Episode: Sir Mix-a-Lot Finds Out
Date: February 6, 2026

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Episode Overview

This high-energy episode sees Pablo Torre interview Anthony Ray, better known as Sir Mix-a-Lot, the legendary rapper behind "Baby Got Back." The whirlwind conversation covers Sir Mix-a-Lot’s unique Seattle upbringing, the cultural impact of his music, his car obsessions, Seattle sports heartbreaks, and a legendary viral moment at the Seattle Symphony. Tying it all together is a surprise reunion with the "Lady in Black," whose impromptu dance at the Symphony brought new life to Mix-a-Lot’s most iconic song. It’s part biography, part sports therapy, and full-on Seattle nostalgia, all delivered with humor and zeal.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The “Baby Got Back” Origin Story and Cultural Backlash

• Beauty Standards & “Heretical” Lyrics (08:24–10:43)

  • Pablo and Mix discuss how the song subverted the dominant, “waif”-ish beauty ideals of 1980s America.
  • “You were a heretic on some level, daring to say these truths out loud when you did.” — Pablo (09:29)
  • “African American culture had been doing [this] since before I was born… I could talk about pimping, but don’t be pimping.” — Sir Mix-a-Lot (09:39/07:02)
  • Mix explains that the infamous opening line—"I like big butts and I cannot lie"—was a statement of simple, honest truth (10:17).

• Behind the Iconic Music Video (10:59–12:05)

  • Rick Rubin's role in the cartoonish style, including the 50-foot yellow butt, is revealed.
    • "Rick Rubin said, trust him. So I trusted him. And sure enough, he pulled it off." – Mix (10:59)
    • "He was paying the bills. There you go...if I’m getting arrested, arrest that man first." – Mix (11:16)

2. Seattle Roots: Cars, Tech, and Hip-Hop

• Growing Up in the Central District (06:44–07:39)
  • Paints a vivid picture of Seattle’s street life and its influence on Mix’s music and persona (“pimps, hoes, slamming Cadillac doors”).
• Car Guy Stories (04:16–05:33, 13:00–14:56)
  • Anecdotes about Mix’s obsession with cars (from "pimped out Mercedes" to "Exorcist Puke Green" Jalopies).
  • The story of a law student who inherited Mix-a-Lot’s old Seattle phone number, receiving wild texts and photos meant for the rapper.
    • “The funniest one was this one lady sent me a picture in a mirror with her backside showing...” — Jonathan Nichols (14:56)

3. "Baby Got Back" and Beyond: Sir Mix-a-Lot’s Musical Legacy

• Resisting One-Hit Wonder Status (12:15–12:40)
  • Mix discusses ensuring his legacy goes beyond “Baby Got Back” with songs like "Posse on Broadway," "My Hoopty," and others.
  • “People don’t realize I’ve gone platinum a few times. Not just once.” — Mix (12:38)
• Eclectic Musical Tastes & Seattle Scene (19:03–21:06)
  • Affinity for grunge and metal, crossing paths with Nirvana, and genre-mixing in his catalog.
  • “If it was cool, I’d listen to it.” — Mix (20:45)

4. Sir Mix-a-Lot and Seattle Sports: The “Curse”

• The “Curse” of Mix-a-Lot and the Seahawks (26:39–34:33)
  • Pablo walks through infamous Seahawks games where mix believes his presence (or tweets) jinxed outcomes:
    • “I’m superstitious like that, man. I think it’s my fault. So I just walk out.” — Mix (30:58)
    • “If they lose, it’s me.” — Mix (31:42)
  • Hilarious recounting of playoff heartbreaks and watching strategies (leaving the room, avoiding watching at key moments, being called to leave by friends).
  • “Go in the studio, make a song or something.” — Friends to Mix (34:05)

5. The Viral Seattle Symphony Performance

• The Legendary Night (35:34–41:21)
  • Mix explains being roped into performing with the Seattle Symphony and his initial terror.
  • The viral moment: an audience member ("the woman in black") jumps on stage and the crowd follows.
  • “When she got up, I didn’t say anything… and they’re like, keep going, keep going.” — Mix (39:04)

6. Surprise Reunion: The "Lady in Black" Joins the Podcast

• Reunited On-Air (41:26–46:53)

  • Sean Bounds (now Martinez), "the Lady in Black," calls in, confirming her dance was spontaneous following a celebration of life earlier that day.
    • “Such a beautiful moment… It wasn’t staged. It was real life.” — Sean (42:30)
    • “I wonder if he was kind of remote controlling you from heaven and said, go up there and shake that ass.” — Mix (44:16)

• Viral Impact and Body Positivity (44:52–45:27)

  • Sean reflects on worldwide responses about self-love and living in the moment.

• Final Words & Seahawks Prediction (46:47–47:02)

  • “Seahawks all the way.” — Sean

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Not Being Just About Butts
  • “People say, well, you should tell people to stop interviewing you about that song. I’m like…that’s my cash cow.” — Mix (17:04)
• On Growing Up in Seattle
  • “Pimps, hoes, slamming Cadillac doors—that’s what was around…my mom wasn’t going to let me be no pimp, so I got as close as I could to that and that was it. And that’s where hip hop comes in.” — Mix (07:02)
• About the Viral Symphony Video
  • “She made the house come down. Really, she was bigger than the song itself.” — Mix (43:13)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment/Topic | |------------|--------------------------------------| | 02:17 | Interview begins – Introduction | | 04:16–06:44| Car stories; Baby Got Back’s backstory | | 07:02 | Seattle upbringing | | 08:24–10:43| Subverting beauty norms, lyric origins| | 10:59–12:05| Music video & Rick Rubin’s influence | | 13:00–14:56| The infamous phone number story | | 19:03–21:06| Musical influences & Seattle scene | | 26:39–34:33| Curse of Sir Mix-a-Lot on Seahawks | | 35:34–41:21| Seattle Symphony viral performance | | 41:26–46:53| Surprise call from “Lady in Black” |

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Tone and Style

The conversation is energetic, irreverent, and full of Pacific Northwest pride. Pablo balances journalism with fanboy enthusiasm, while Sir Mix-a-Lot is equal parts storyteller and stand-up comic. Their rapport is natural, peppered with running gags about butts, cars, and Seahawks heartbreak. Sean’s guest appearance injects heartfelt sincerity and surprises both men, embodying the show’s spontaneous, find-out-what-happens spirit.

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Conclusion

This episode seamlessly blends hip-hop lore, sports fanaticism, and viral culture, reflecting on Sir Mix-a-Lot’s iconic status and the broader meaning behind his art. It’s a celebration of living boldly, embracing chance, and Seattle’s stubborn, oddball heart—“Baby Got Back” never sounded so symphonic.

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Transcript

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[B]

I like big butts and I cannot lie.

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Acast.com. Sir Mix a Lot AKA According to the Federal Government Anthony Ray, it is an honor to have you on the show.

[B]

Yeah, I just had to go pull stuff out of my damn studio to try to make this work in here. So I'm in my kitchen, dining room area.

[A]

It's an honor. I didn't think this would happen. I've been chasing you. I've been investigating how to get to you for like a year. Like on Twitter and you never showed up until now.

[B]

I'm not too good at social media. I can talk a lot of. But the Hawks. Oh, let's talk some Hawk.

[A]

We're going to talk some Hawk. We're going to talk about the way in which you might be responsible for a lot of the bad that happened to your Hawks. I want to get to that. I want to build to that. Oh, no, you didn't think you were going to get held to account on.

[B]

Pablo Toy finds out, I bring them good luck.

[A]

Well, okay, we'll get to that. I just need to establish that when I was telling people friends of mine that today I'm interviewing Sir Mix a lot, the reaction that I received is unique.

[B]

I'm unique. Okay, well said. Well said.

[A]

The story that I tried to get you on the show for which you were not on the show for which I still think is a shame. We can now just fill people in on this. Are you familiar with the story that I was trying to report about you and your candy apple red Mercedes and this coach Sherman Smith and Dylan McCullough? Are you familiar with this story at all?

[B]

I do remember the car. It was a pretty tacky, pimped out Mercedes with rims and gold all over it. Oh, God, man, that. See, I grew up around pimps. Yeah, don't raise your kid around pimps.

[A]

But you don't remember anything about who you sold the car to or how future NFL coach Dylan McCullough wound up getting involved in this whole tale of your pimped out Mercedes.

[B]

The Please tell the coach bought it.

[A]

Oh, oh, oh, oh. Mix, there's so much you need to hear about and I actually don't want to spoil it because it's an incredible story. It involves Sherman Smith, who is a longtime Seahawks running back. We're gonna link it in. The show notes involves future NFL Raiders running backs coach Dylan McCullough and his search for his real dad. And you are essential to the unwinding of the story because it involves the car and you're a big car guy is what I'm also, of course, realizing as I look through your life story. I mean, Mr. Lamborghini is also an AKA that you go by.

[B]

Oh, that just for one song. They call me Mr. Lamb, Mr. Lamborghini. See me. Believe me, we be hitting them twisties, you know, that kind of stuff. You know.

[A]

I need to tell you that when I was in high school, I had a. We had a class called Speech and we had to give some oration in front of everybody. Else. And people were doing, you know, the Gettysburg Address and some mlk, right. So it's that kind of a thing. And I get up there as a freshman in high school and I do. Baby got back and it didn't go great for me in speech class with Dr. Dracamo.

[B]

Look at you now, man. You blossom.

[A]

The most painful B plus I ever received was because I.

[B]

Come on now. You're spoiled. You must be used to A's.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

The only A's I got in high school was, hey, what's up, man? Hey. That's all I got.

[A]

I want to understand what young sir Mix a Lot was like, because the technology part of your origin story. You were a tech guy before you were a music guy.

[B]

That's what got me into music. It wasn't music that got me into tech, it was tech that got me into music. If it stayed guitars and drums, I would have never gotten involved with music. But when the technology got into it, it made me curious.

[A]

So you're growing up in Seattle, you're from Central District. Yes. Could you paint the picture for people who have never been. Are unfamiliar with what that all felt and looked like and sounded like at the time?

[B]

Well, like I said, I'm a little older than you. A bit older.

[A]

Just a little.

[B]

19Th and Yesler that time was where pimps and. And hoes did what they had to do. So that's where I came from, really. So pimps, hoes, slamming Cadillac does. That's was around. So that. That kind of pushed me towards hip hop, even though hip hop wasn't born yet. And that's kind of where I come from. But my mom wasn't going to let me be no pimp, so I got as close as I could to that and that was it. And that's where hip hop comes in. So I could talk about pimping, but don't be pimping.

[A]

I want to point out, because you alluded to your age and the generation you come from, and if you are in fact 62 years old, you should be selling skincare products.

[B]

What they say, My mom used to say black don't crack, but it does wrinkle.

[A]

I want to put a wrinkle in the story of the song that got me a B plus when I was in high school. That has been the song that everybody knows you for. Because I didn't realize that this is also a Super bowl story. It's super bowl week. Part of why you're here has something to do with a commercial There he is. What a happening dude.

[B]

Super party animal. His name is Fox MacKenzie. A barbecue inside and a cold butter. What the was that man. Nodding Too late.

[A]

There are a few things that are as 1988, 89 as what you just saw. That is a bull terrier named Spuds McKenzie that was a star, a bona fide American commercial superstar, and this is a Budweiser ad and all that. I want to draw everyone's attention, though, to, of course, not just the dog, but the women in the ad, because mix that is. That's what beauty was in American life.

[B]

Yeah, Waif.

[A]

That's a very literary description for the skinny and extraordinarily white palette of beauty standards along Madison Avenue at that point.

[B]

Beauty rhymes with booty. I think God made it that way.

[A]

But for people who don't remember, you were a heretic on some level, daring to say these truths out loud when you did.

[B]

It was something that African American culture had been doing since before I was born. I used to hang out in front of the Bryant manor, and a lot of pimps would be running out there. They popping game, and we call it popping corn. But just, you know, they just dropping little nuggets that were sticking in my head. That's where my hip hop stuff came from. But that's all they would do. Everybody would walk behind the chick and be like, oh, yeah, that's me.

[A]

And so the real question I need to ask you is, when did you know what your first line in your most famous song was gonna be?

[B]

I said, the first line should be simple, because at that time, I was doing a lot of fast rapping and spitting and showing skills and all that. And I said, you know what? Timeout. I like big butts, and I cannot lie. You other brothers can't deny. I like big butts, and I cannot lie, period, because it's true.

[A]

Your honor. I like big butts, and I cannot lie. And for people who are just listening to this, you're missing out on what we're doing on YouTube because the shot, the aesthetics of the music video are also so perfect.

[B]

That was. Was scary to me because I'm like, what the hell? It looks like a cartoon in here. But Rick Rubin said, trust him. So I trusted him. And sure enough, he pulled it off.

[A]

I'm sorry, hold on. Rick Rubin is responsible for why there was a 50 foot yellow butt in that video.

[B]

He was paying the bills. There you go. Hey, your honor, if I'm getting arrested, arrest that man first.

[A]

I didn't realize that, you know, the Yoda style character that Rick Rubin has been regarded as over time. His contribution to this piece of musical history was we need mix to sit in between to cartoon giant ass cheeks and rap.

[B]

Yep. And a lot of. Oh, you know the joke. Most of my homeboys are like, yeah, I saw your video. You look like a piece of. And I was like, damn, that's a good point. Actually. I had on brown and black, too. Oh, my goodness. Ate too much spinach.

[A]

What were your demands when you were making this video? Because, okay, Rick Rubin does the mountain range of ass. But what did you want out of your giant debut experience?

[B]

Well, the whole time I'm doing the video, I'm trying to figure out, we need a scene that's gonna make something credible here, because I don't wanna be the goofy guy that made that one big song. So thank God I came up with a couple of other things to like the hat and the stuff of that. So people don't only think Baby got back. They remember Posse on Broadway and my Hoopty. And people don't realize I've gone platinum a few times.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Not just once.

[A]

I want to get to the oeuvre because it is extensive and arguably as deep as the valley that is that giant ass crack that we just saw. But your phone number. Are you. Are you aware of the legend of your phone number? I'm not even referring, by the way, to 100 mix a lot, 1, 900.

[B]

Mix a lot and kick them Nasty.

[A]

Thoughts, which unfortunately does not connect to you because I did dial it. I'm referring to the story of the guy who got your personal phone number in Seattle after you had it. Have you ever heard about this guy?

[B]

I just heard about this, like, two weeks ago. Two. About two weeks ago. I heard about it. I'm like, okay, what. What the hell? Poor fella.

[A]

So it's 2013. A law student named Jonathan Nichols had moved from Iowa to Seattle, and he was looking for a new Number, area code 206.

[C]

So I went into the Verizon store, I just picked the one that was the easiest to remember and went with it. And within a few weeks, months, I started getting random texts or voicemails for Anthony and or Mix. And then I started to think maybe he was pretty successful because they were from Maserati dealerships or Lamborghini dealerships.

[B]

They call me Mr. Lamborghini.

[C]

And then I started getting demos, YouTube demos, saying, hey, Mix, we should work with this guy. And to all of these folks, I just said, wrong number. You got the wrong guy. I didn't know I couldn't put two and two together until my phone was blowing up with happy birthday messages. And a lot of people referencing baby got back and saying, happy Birthday, Sir Mixala. And I was like, no. So I just googled him and I'm like, sure enough, that is his birthday. His name is Anthony. And some of the ladies started sending me text messages from around the country, different area codes. And the funniest one was this one lady sent me a picture in a mirror with her backside showing and saying something to the effect that, I still got something that you like or you can't not lie.

[B]

I like big butts and I cannot lie. Oh, God. I was hoping he wouldn't say names. Oh, God, man. Okay, I'm embarrassed. That's crazy.

[C]

And I responded with wrong number. And then she sent me another. Her response to that was sending me another selfie, full frontal, and says, remember me now.

[A]

I just need people to appreciate that Jonathan Nichols could not be more the photo negative of Sir Mix a lot in terms of just his general vibe.

[B]

I feel bad for that guy, man.

[A]

I think he basically said, if I were to translate, he said, whoever owned this phone had hoes in different area coats.

[B]

I was a little. I was a little loose back then. The.

[A]

The thing that he. He sent back, by the way, because Jonathan and I. I. God bless Jonathan, because what he does, he is. Apparently he's with his then boyfriend at the time, of course, who took a photo of Jonathan's face and sent it back to the interested party who had reached out to you.

[C]

And she called me right away and was mortified. I'm so sorry, baby. I'm so sorry. And I told her not to worry about it and I wasn't going to do anything creepy with it. And I deleted the photo. But that story was the funniest to just be me as a gay guy getting a full frontal from random women around the country.

[B]

Well, I wish I had his phone number because if you get any more full frontals, I'll take them forward. Forward, Right to me. Let me. Shut up. Because take that literally, just as a.

[A]

General curiosity, how has it been over time to be the face and the voice of butts?

[B]

Tell you the truth, man, if you're.

[A]

About.

[B]

40 now, you're a Baby Got Back fan.

[A]

Yes, I'm 40 years old. Exactly.

[B]

If you're older than that, you. You go to my deeper stuff, right? So I get a lot of people that hate Baby Got Back. They go, man, man, you. Under, man, you. They act Like I'm underestimating myself, right? It's like, no, no, they. They like where I'm spitting like lock Jaw. All those songs where I'm just flying through them, right? Oh, no. Another flow show from the young black dynamo locking up Jaws. But everybody likes Baby Got Back. And people say, well, you should tell people to stop interviewing you about that song. I'm like, you think I'm ignorant? You got to be crack, man. That's like telling Bill Gates, don't talk about Microsoft. No, no, no, no, no. That's. That's my cash cow. But when I tour, when I start spitting, they like when the. Did this happen? And that's what I really grew up doing. Baby Got Back was just a funny idea that I thought would be offensive. And that's it.

[A]

Where should they start? On the list of songs that Sir Mix a lot wishes people knew that he also made. What's the. What's. What's number one on the list?

[B]

I mean, if you look at the numbers. The numbers are scary. When you see that, it's challenging. Some of the songs are challenging. Baby Got back for plays.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, look my hoopty. We're back in your car. It turns out.

[B]

The pickles on my rug running. And it's a real car.

[A]

What? It's a. That's.

[B]

It's a real. It's a car I actually had. Yeah. I call it Exorcist Puke Green.

[A]

Which takes us, by the way, to another music video involving a different car. Cuz now we're talking about beepers.

[B]

Will I call you maybe. Sky looks like a phaser.

[A]

That's the.

[B]

Of a Northwest plan.

[A]

Seattle in this era, right? Because it's late 80s, early 90s Seattle, outside of your aesthetic cinematic universe, which we're now painting for. People were talking about Grunch, right. In sports, It's Ken Griffey Jr. And Gary Payton and Sean Kemp. But musically it's Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, and Nirvana.

[B]

That was like bye bye to rap for like four years. It's. Nah, it was not. It wasn't no big deal. I love grunge. I love the. The dirtiness of it, you know, the way it sounds, the way it's played. I love. I wish they did more seven string stuff, but they didn't want to sound like metal.

[A]

What was your relationship like with Nirvana?

[B]

You know, it's funny, we cross paths. Hey, how you doing? Oh, we'll see you. We'll see you at the next show. But we. I never did a show with them. I have a song called Swas and I mixed it with Smells Like Teen Spirit on the chorus. And I did it in front of them and I thought they were going to be like off. That's what I thought they were going to say. But they loved it. So I'm like, somebody redo Baby Got Back. I don't know if I'd be that calm.

[A]

I don't know how you would best remix Baby Got Back. But you've done in your catalog, you've done a lot of like genre mixing. You've sampled We Will Rock youk into Black Sabbath. Metal stuff, right? Mud Honey pops up on another track.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Well, you know I was bused, right? So I, I lived in the cd, but I was bus to the north end going to Roosevelt. So I had, I was exposed to the, to metal and all that stuff back then. And I didn't give a damn if you were black white frog. I don't care what you were. I just, if it was cool, I'd listen to it.

[A]

I've never heard someone say black white frog. With the frog community finally getting representation, right?

[B]

The green guy's got to get it.

[A]

But speaking. Speaking of creatures that know how to use their legs, that.

[B]

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One subscription, up to four separate logins for anyone in your life. Find out [e-mail] family. Oh, my God. That. Oh my God. Let me tell you something. That right there was Hood. Marshawn. My dude. My dude. I ain't gonna lie. Last time I saw Marshawn, we were at something and he was associated with the Sounders. And keep in mind, these guys had on ties. They were drinking wine, you know. Marshawn, where you been, motherfucker? Come on, get it. Come on, come on. Give it up, give it up, give it up. What's up with you? I'm like, God damn. But you can see that the guys of whatever, the company, the Sounders people, they didn't give a. They were like, huh? That's Marshawn. No problem. And what I'm saying, back to that touchdown. What a run. Marshawn lynch, still on his feet, has blockers. Now he's dancing his way for the touchdown. The end of it.

[A]

Oh, the best.

[B]

Oh, yes. When he flipped and grabbed his ball sack and said, eat this. Ooh, you can beat that out. But that.

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I don't care.

[B]

What nobody.

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It's arguably the greatest moment in sports history. If you were to argue that I would say, yeah, that makes sense.

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And the Richard Sherman tip. The Richard Sherman tip. And he.

[A]

Oh, the immaculate deflection. Yes.

[B]

And what was weird about him? It was like a polar opposite Richard Sherman going back and forth when he's. He's like, yeah, he's good. He's good. Don't never put that on me. When you try me with a sorry receiver like Crab Tree, that's the result you going to get. Don't you ever talk about me.

[A]

Who was talking about you, Crab Tree?

[B]

Don't you open your mouth about the best that should have been running for somewhere there they that then he walks over to him and goes. And he wondered why he got his hand knocked like that's some psych. That's some psychological right there, man. Let me go walk up after I just called him everything but the child of God. And I'm gonna call him a bastard in his face and then shake his hand.

[A]

The thing that I have to get to though is of course the curse of sir Vixalot.

[B]

The curse.

[A]

The curse. There are lots of curses in sports. Curse of the Bambino. Steve Barman with the Cubs. Lots of curses out there. This one is now my favorite one because it's super bowl week and your Seahawks are playing the Patriots. But this to set the scene here. We're going to the 2013 playoffs. And the 2013 playoffs you guys are playing the Atlanta Falcons. Posting this division around playoff game, they've been so dominant. What do you remember about how this game was going when all of this. I don't remember.

[B]

Nothing idea what you're talking about.

[A]

Let me jog your memory, sir.

[B]

I knew you would.

[A]

It's a tough game on the road. Marshawn Lynch.

[B]

Atlanta has it coming.

[A]

And by the way, Matt Ryan, Falcons quarterback, of course, he's doing great.

[B]

Looking for Robbie White. Touchdown.

[A]

20 to nothing lead for the Falcons. And at some point, I suppose right around this moment actually at the real mix logs on to Twitter quote. I'm driving home through Cali and this game has me pissed. Road rage time. You're in your 2012 infinity. QX56 ring a bell?

[B]

Oh yeah. I have another one too. Outside. I bought a new one.

[A]

Good truck in this one. It was road rage time. And I mean fourth quarter down 27 7. Seahawks coming back, Russell Wilson. And Wilson will run it in for the touchdown Earl Thomas.

[B]

Ryan Thomas throws it down the field. And it's intercept.

[A]

Interception.

[B]

Don't look now, here come the Seahawks.

[A]

Nine minutes left. And then. And we have to triangulate this. Okay. The time of your posts against the game clock. Because at this moment, you tweet, quote, driving hard and stressing out with a photo of your odometer, which is touching 80.

[B]

Oh, my God. Which was not legal then. It's not legal now, actually.

[A]

But it's just the emotional roller coaster.

[B]

For a Seattle touchdown.

[A]

You tweet again, quote, omg. A zillion exclamation points. Biggest road comeback in playoff history. And Then less than 30 seconds ago, Matt Ryan, the Falcons. And the radio broadcast kind of tells the story better than I could.

[B]

Seattle bringing pressure. Matt's gonna throw Gonzalez the catch, 35. Tony tackle, 31 yard line. Timeout. Mike Smith.

[A]

They hit Tony Gonzalez, the great tight end, Matt Bryant, the kicker.

[B]

And it is good for Matt Bryant with eight seconds left.

[A]

And you tweet again in your infinity quote, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[B]

Now, that's why I should have been a news reporter. That gives you it's depth in that. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. That's what I was saying in my car.

[A]

Then the Curse continues. Fall 2013. You remember this game? Colts.

[B]

No.

[A]

You don't remember your Seahawks getting a kick blocked for a touchdown? Taking a giant L?

[B]

It didn't happen. Yeah, never happened.

[A]

You remember a couple weeks later, you're down 21, nothing to the Bucks at home?

[B]

No.

[A]

Here's the thing that happens in that game, right? So, and this is what we are told by sources close to you. Oh, your brother has a suggestion. He says, what if you got the out of here and stopped watching this game?

[B]

I do that. I'm serious. I'm superstitious like that, man. I think it's my fault. So I just walk out.

[A]

Based on the evidence. Based on the evidence so far. That dump was never more necessary. Because you go to a movie. Do you remember what movie you saw, by the way?

[B]

No. Hell no. I'm too old to be remembering that.

[A]

Fall 2013, you get back from the Hunger Games. Catching fire, I can only presume. And the Seahawks come back and they win. And then you're kind of feeling yourself because a couple weeks after that, you're back to watching your favorite team and they play the Cardinals and they lose again. And so now you have, I presume, a pivot to make here. What's your new strategy?

[B]

I cut back on my watching. I really did. I'm telling you, even the Super Bowls, I'm kind of. I, I look and then I go in another room, you know, because I think it's all my fault if they, if they win, it ain't me, but if they lose, it's me. And I think all my homies always, they tease me, they'll call me if they lose. They always go, man, what the hell was wrong today? To this day, I, I, I'm the reason they lose, but not the reason they win.

[A]

Well, ever. You finally get The Super Bowl 48, it's a legion of boom. It's Peyton Manning and the Broncos. And 43 to 8, where were you on that Super Bowl Sunday?

[B]

I was on tour. I was on tour and I can't remember. I was, I was on tour. I'm telling you, man, I, if I watch those games, I'm telling you, I, I bet you if I yelled right now like I yell when the Seahawks are playing, especially in the playoffs, you'd hear me from where you're at. Especially if something goes wrong. God damn it. And I act like I'm the coach.

[A]

Of course, but this strategy, you being the absentee coach works because the next year, Super bowl again, 2015, I presume now that you feel like you've been exercised.

[B]

No.

[A]

Feel like you've been exercised.

[B]

I'm going tell you something. This game coming up, I'm going to watch the intro, I'm going to watch the halftime. I'm going to watch the beginning of the third quarter, and I'm going to watch the end of the fourth quarter if they're winning. If they're not winning, I'm not watching the end of the fourth quarter. I'm going to. Because I know I, everybody that lives, I'm not even going to say where they're at. Those bastards that live out there, where the bad weather's at.

[A]

Oh yeah, them.

[B]

All of them. All my friends that live on the east coast hate the Seahawks. I wake up sometime and just send a mass email off this morning and then, you know, they give me the middle finger pictures.

[A]

But the point being that if this game isn't going great, you might be back on the road, you might be driving somewhere, road raging.

[B]

I really get nervous when I'm watching live, but I'm, I'm gonna, I got some guys coming by and I'm gonna tell you what they're gonna do. All my friends, they make me leave the room. Leave, dude. Leave, dude, you're it up. Go in the studio, make a song or something.

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[A]

We're in 2014 mix. It's the Seattle Symphony. And can you describe what the is happening at the Seattle Symphony?

[B]

I don't know. My manager is something else. Let's just say I, I think Ricardo. Ricardo could talk a person onto a cliff and actually say jump. And they would do it.

[A]

Which explains how you finally wound up on the show, incidentally, because he.

[B]

Yeah, there you go. Cause he, after you hit the ground, you might be dead, but he'll make you a star, I guarantee you.

[A]

But the Seattle Symphony, for people who aren't familiar, I mean we're talking about a stage with a Grammy winning orchestra and a crowd.

[B]

Don't forget, don't forget the woman in black. I like big butts and I cannot lie you other brothers can't deny. When a girl walks in with an itty bitty waist and a round thing in your face, you get strong.

[A]

The woman in black is an Internet character that deserves to be spotlit. Did you wish I was heavy?

[B]

I lost like £50 since then.

[A]

I was gonna say you look like a different person. When people describe a post racial America, I think they're describing this YouTube video.

[B]

Probably, probably. Man, I was like, like I said, I damn, I was big.

[A]

Could you paint the picture of like what is happening, how this all came to be?

[B]

So I, I come out and keep in mind I'm terrified because this is was a opera music. I mean that's what I was in the middle of. And I'm like, oh my God. And you. And everybody's sitting there, Some people are holding sheet music.

[A]

There are cellos in the background.

[B]

Yes, yeah, yeah. Cellos, violins, whatever the hell they are. When the song starts, I'm doing it and I'm terrified because I'm thinking I'm not going to get any crowd participation at all. And all of a sudden the girl in black got up and everybody, they just said, okay. And what blew my mind, look at the orchestra.

[A]

Yes, look at that, man.

[B]

The orchestra, by the way, than it is in a silver factory. Look at that.

[A]

The orchestra is exactly what you're imagining an orchestra would be. Everyone has like white hair, very proper, all dressed in black themselves, by the way. And yet the foremost conductor of this performance of this musical clim is not the conductor. It is the woman in black who is front and center and has, has stayed there. Oh my God, has the confidence. Mix. When I first saw this, I was like, oh, this is a plant. Sir Mix a lot planted this woman.

[B]

Everybody said that. Nope, I wonder if she's still married because she had a ring on.

[A]

We're gonna, we're gonna, okay, we're gonna try and locate the woman in black. The follow up investigation. But what you're saying is that once she got on stage, people organically, authentically swarmed the orchestra and got on stage too.

[B]

It was not planned at all. People say, man, you had to plan that, plan that. But when she got up, I didn't say anything because I'm looking at, you know, the people in charge, like, hey, is this cool? And they're like, keep going, keep going. Okay, keep going. That's when all just started getting up. I was like, damn that.

[A]

And you're hopping up and down. I mean, it must be. Look, I don't want to be presumptuous here, but that feels like a thing that you may have dreamed of or acid dreamed of or hallucinated at one point. Like, that's wild.

[B]

Literally five minutes before I came out, it was. Like, what the hell is this? And then all of a sudden they started and wow. I was like, damn.

[A]

I like the idea that you're kind of the least informed person as to what is about to happen here.

[B]

If I had knew, I would have said, you know, ah, nah, nah, nah, nah. Now the homies might see this and I won't be allowed back in the hood no more, you know, but nah, they, everybody liked it.

[A]

But this is where I just gotta jump in to level with our audience here for a second. Because several minutes ago, right underneath the surface of this episode, without our honored guest having any idea what we've been up to, we here at Pablo Torre finds out, got the idea to furiously start searching for the woman in black on the Internet right now while we were interviewing Sir Bixalot. And so not unlike that viral moment from the Seattle Symphony, which has been viewed more than 15 million times on YouTube. I can just promise you this was not planned at all. And yet, shockingly, the lady in black, despite being herself out on the road somewhere, actually got back to us like right away. And what she told us suddenly inspired me to call an audible. In fact, we're going to pause right here because we have a special guest that we have just contacted and she may be familiar to you. Can we please route the lady in Black.

[B]

I don't think she ever told me her name. Her name or anything.

[A]

Oh, my God, this is hilarious. And she's in her car.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Can I formally introduce Sir Mix A Lot and Sean Bounds? Do I have that correct?

[D]

Yes, yes, but I'm Martinez now.

[B]

Okay, well, then I gotta thank you for saying that before I started saying some bad. So. I don't mean bad like bad. I mean bad like good.

[D]

Yeah, yeah. You know, I was just in Seattle. I live in Texas now, and I was looking for you at the Seahawks game.

[A]

We were just watching, Sean, the video of you rushing the stage and becoming an all time Internet legend. And here you are again. Could you give us your perspective on what that evening was like? Because people have accused you, of course, of being a plant for Sir Mix a lot.

[D]

Right. I don't think with that old school dancing that I was a plant. But. But yeah, yeah. So I had jammed to swaths growing up. I mean, buttermilk biscuits. I mean square dance rap, Come on. I mean, I've listened to everything. And I actually worked on Broadway, on Madison and Broadway and it was just a blast. It was such a beautiful moment. And Sir Mix A Lot. I hope you think the same. I mean, I really. It was a beautiful moment and you know, it wasn't staged. It was real life. And that is what is lacking, I think today. I mean, this was the real. The real deal. I have the arthritis in my hips to prove it now.

[B]

Boy, did she. She made the house come down. Really? She was bigger than the song itself.

[D]

No, no, no one could be bigger than that song. Come on. But it was so beautiful and so darn fun. And I'm so glad to finally. To. To finally meet you, you know? Yeah, well, you know, I had went to a. A celebration of life that day. That's why I was in all black.

[A]

Whoa.

[D]

And they have. Yeah, yeah, they. They dubbed me the lady in Black with back.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Wait, so just to briefly recap. So the lady in Black with back went from. And my condolences More than a decade later, you went from funeral to that.

[D]

Well, a celebration of life. Yes. For a co worker that I worked with on Broadway had passed away. He was an older gentleman, but, you know, nonetheless such a. Such an awesome guy. That's why I was wearing black and everyone else was wearing all that color and everything.

[A]

Oh my God.

[B]

I wonder if he was kind of remote controlling you from heaven and said, go up there and shake that ass. Just do it for me. I always wanted to see it.

[D]

So glad I didn't wear my Spanx that day because, man, it just. I mean, it just went big, didn't it? It was just so crazy. It was just out there.

[B]

I was in Florida and they were showing me that. Did you see this girl? Do you? What? How did I not see her? What are you talking about? People? Did you see her?

[A]

What's it been like to be the lady in Black with back in the years since then? Because again, this is a wildly viral video.

[B]

Oh.

[D]

Oh, goodness. Well, when it first happened, to be honest, it was really a beautiful thing. People were reaching out from really all over the world and talking about how important it is to love yourself, to live in the moment, to love your body. I mean, it turned into such a beautiful thing that, that I. Even though you just don't know when, when you're just out doing fun things, you're not thinking about that. But honestly, I mean, I just. I'm back to my normal day to day life. Nothing crazy. Except this. This is awesome. What a beautiful surprise. I was on my way back to work.

[A]

Oh my God. I. I didn't expect to find out this much today on Pablo Torre finds out. But uniting the two of you is. It's a dream that my teenage self could not have ever imagined.

[D]

Well, ditto. I mean, this is awesome. Like I said, I've been listening to you since Swast and you look great. You look really great. You look really fabulous. And I'm happy to have really met you. And I really want to thank you for all your music and bringing so much joy to everybody. I mean, it's really uplifting and fun and we need to have more fun.

[B]

Probably one of the most popular videos that I had anything to do with on the Internet.

[D]

It just. I cannot believe that, I mean, well, you are a superstar and I'm like, in awe and so excited. I hope my street cred goes up again.

[B]

Oh yeah, the Crips and the Bloods, they stop. They stop fighting each other just because of you.

[D]

I hope when you do come to Texas, you look me up. I'd love to meet you in person.

[B]

Oh, that'll happen. Because I do have a tour coming up.

[D]

Good, good. I'll be ready.

[A]

I love that this happened while the lady in black with back was in her car. This has been an episode largely about, it turns out, cars and so I'm gonna let you go back on the road. I'm gonna ask you, do you have a Super bowl prediction, lady in black, Because.

[D]

Are you kidding? Seahawks all the way.

[B]

All the way.

[A]

Thank you both for participating in the most absurd super bowl preview episode that a technically sports show has ever done.

[B]

Yeah, we, we knew it the whole time. Thanks, guys.

[D]

What a treat.

[B]

Wow.

[D]

Thank you.

[A]

No, thank you. Pablo Torre finds out is produced by Walter Averoma, Maxwell Carney, Ryan Cortez, Juan Galindo, Patrick Kim, neely Loman, Rob McRae, Matt Sullivan, Claire Taylor and Chris Tubanello. Our studio engineering is by RG Systems. Our sound designed by Andrew Burick at ngw Post digital strategy by Bailey Carlin and Andrew Northern. And our theme song, as always, by John Bravo. We'll talk to you next.

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