The Belichick Ring Mystery, Solved: How Pablo's Investigation Just Got Weirder

Summary

Podcast Summary

Podcast: Pablo Torre Finds Out
Host: Pablo Torre (Le Batard & Friends)
Episode: The Belichick Ring Mystery, Solved: How Pablo's Investigation Just Got Weirder
Date: May 23, 2025

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Main Theme:

Pablo Torre, together with guests Katie Nolan and Michael Cruz Kane, unravels the true story behind the infamous Bill Belichick "Ring Cam" video, the speculation around Belichick's relationship with Jordan Hudson, and the unintended consequences of internet virality, fan sleuthing, and investigative journalism colliding in modern sports culture.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

Revisiting the Jordan Hudson Saga and UNC's Response

[01:36–06:50]

• Pablo updates the ongoing media storm involving Jordan Hudson's reported "blacklisting" from UNC football facilities, and the university's careful, euphemistic public statement denying her employment but allowing her presence.
• New media narrative emerges: Hudson is “off to the side,” no longer in any official or semi-official capacity, though Channing Crowder noted Hudson’s active role managing Belichick’s appearances during interviews.
• Notable Quote:
  • "She is not allowed on the football field." (Pablo Torre, [02:01])
  • "She was there. She choreographed the open." (Channing Crowder via Pablo, [06:19])

The Ring Camera Video: Viral Fame, Mystery, and Fan Obsession

[09:03–18:48]

• Pablo brings up the notorious viral video: A shirtless Belichick leaving Hudson’s home, ridiculed on Tom Brady’s Netflix roast.
  • Tom Brady Joke:
    • “My favorite ring is the camera that caught Coach Belichick slinking out of that poor girl’s house.” ([09:50])
• The panel discusses the public and media hunger for “Belichick ring cam” content, noting calls from fans on social media.
• First detailed description of the video by Michael Cruz Kane:
  • “Bill Belichick topless coming out of a... maybe a screen door... on a ring camera… Is this a walk of shame?” ([10:28])

The Internet Geoguessing Army

[13:03–16:09]

• Pablo enlists Rainbolt, famed geoguessing internet sleuth, to pinpoint the video's location.
• Rainbolt is “at 18,000 ft in Nepal” but mobilizes his eight-man global team (“the Avengers of geoguessr”) to help.
  • “There is wi-fi at 18,000 ft in Nepal.” (Katie Nolan, [15:28])

Discovery of a Second Video & the Airbnb Link

[17:16–19:26]

• Pablo breaks exclusive news: There is a second ring cam video of Belichick—still shirtless, but now with a satchel and a metal flask, confirming the original event's authenticity.
• Investigation traces the house to an Airbnb in Winthrop, MA, confirming with reviews (including one by “Jordan from Chatham, MA” in July 2023).
  • Notable Quote:
    • “So, here exclusively for the first time, is the other video.” (Pablo Torre, [17:46])
    • “He is very shirtless... That is a clinical case of bedhead.” (Katie Nolan, [17:58]–[18:45])

Pablo Goes On-Site: The Airbnb Investigation

[19:29–25:31]

• Pablo personally rents the Airbnb, confirms the location via distinctive interior details, and interviews the owners.
• The owners recount hosting “Jordan”, meeting her after golf, her pageant ambitions, and their confusion upon seeing Belichick (“a creepy old guy”) on camera.
  • Notable Quotes:
    • “She also said she prefers a men’s senior shaft... I just didn’t really think much about that until later.” (Airbnb owner, [26:21])
    • "We saw the ring video in the morning, … an older gentleman with a very young woman... is he a relative, or a drug dealer?" (Airbnb owner, [27:00])
  • Their initial theories: possibly a relative, a “drug dealer,” or “escort” due to odd circumstances; later confirmed as Belichick by his “walk and farmer's tan.”

Chain of Custody: How the Video Leaked

[29:02–31:18]

• Video was forwarded by Airbnb hosts to friends to confirm Belichick’s identity, not for profit; someone else leaked it publicly.
• Pablo’s reporting confirms no evidence implicates Hudson in the leak. Notably, Belichick was likely unaware of the ring cam’s presence.
  • Notable Quote:
    • “What other proof I have that this is not them has to do with... group chats from before this was released.” (Pablo Torre, [31:03])

The Fan Cam Evidence: Proving Hudson’s Timeline

[33:01–38:31]

• Pablo faces skepticism online about his reporting that Hudson was around the Patriots as early as 2021.
• He uses Patriots’ HD “fan cam” stadium imagery and cross-references with Hudson’s social media to locate her in the Gillette Stadium crowd on November 28, 2021 (“Patriots-Titans game”).
  • “This was a whole searchable thing with… high-definition cameras everywhere… We could zoom into any surveillance.” ([35:07])
  • “Good Lord, Pablo needs a hobby.” (quoting skeptical tweet retweeted by Hudson, [34:37], [32:31])

Final Reflections: Commentary on Distraction, Media, and Belichick's Changing Persona

[39:13–43:35]

• The story is emblematic of how “do your job, no distractions” ethos collides with modern celebrity and social media scrutiny.
• Pablo notes the oddity of Belichick, the ultimate “no distractions” coach, now featured in a viral, tabloid-laden spectacle.
• No comment from Belichick, Hudson, or UNC at time of episode.
• Acknowledges story’s “dumb aspects,” but frames it as worth scrutiny given Belichick’s status and influence in sport and culture.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Channing Crowder ([06:19]): “She was there. She choreographed the [interview] open. She kind of coordinated... She had brand managers... her paws all over that thing.”
• Michael Cruz Kane ([10:28]): “Bill Belichick topless... Is this a walk of shame?”
• Katie Nolan ([17:58]): “He is very shirtless.”
• Airbnb Owner ([27:01]): “…an older gentleman with a very young woman who checked in the night before… is he a relative, or a drug dealer?”
• Pablo Torre ([32:31]): “I also don’t have any evidence that Jordan Hudson is the one who leaked [the video].”
• Katie Nolan ([34:37]): “Good Lord, Pablo needs a hobby.”
• Pablo Torre ([38:31]): “…what I had to do was scroll endlessly through Gillette Stadium’s fan cams.”
• Michael Cruz Kane ([40:20]): “Patriots Bill Belichick would fire UNC coach Bill Belichick.”

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Timeline / Timestamps for Notable Segments

• 00:36 – Banter on sports journalism, intro to Jordan Hudson–UNC saga
• 02:00 – Pablo’s revelation on Hudson’s status at UNC
• 05:23 – Belichick’s public statements; Crowder’s on-set observations
• 09:03 – Viral “ring cam” video discussed; Tom Brady’s Netflix joke
• 13:03 – Rainbolt/geoguessr segment begins
• 17:16 – Second video, linking to Winthrop, MA Airbnb
• 19:29 – Pablo’s in-person Airbnb investigation, hosts’ perspective
• 29:02 – Chain of custody, how the video was leaked
• 33:01 – Fan cam evidence, confirming Hudson’s 2021 presence at Gillette
• 39:13 – Reflections on Belichick, distraction, and public persona

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Episode Conclusion

Pablo methodically solves the Bill Belichick “ring cam” mystery, separating fact from speculation, and exposes both the banality and weirdness of internet obsession, sports culture, and privacy in the modern age. What began as an online meme, then tabloid punchline, is uncovered as a byproduct of ordinary Airbnbs, chatty fans, random tech, and a “do your job” legend blindsided by the realities of 21st-century connectivity.
Final takeaways: Pablo and the panel reflect on the shifting expectations of privacy, the limitless enthusiasm of sports internet, and the personal eccentricities now laid bare in Belichick’s post-Patriots life.

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Transcript

[Pablo Torre]

Welcome to Pablo Torre finds out I am Pablo Torre. And today we're going to find out what this sound is.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Pablo.

[Katie Nolan]

Pablo, what the.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

This is crazy.

[Katie Nolan]

Pablo, what the.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

This is crazy.

[Pablo Torre]

Right after this ad. You're listening to DraftKings Network.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

See, I think we kind of both have I spend confirmation bias.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, probably we just look for somebody to tell us that we suck.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

When I'm in the comments, what I see is a thousand. Pablo and Katie are such a great couple or whatever. And I'm like, I'm also there.

[Katie Nolan]

And then me, I haven't even seen Pablo. It's like a reveal. It's like I get like. What's he wearing?

[Michael Cruz Kane]

He's gonna be in a ball gown.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. Oh, a second outfit. There he is. Miss America.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

What is. What are you in like a active withdrawal? No, you're in some kind of a suit almost.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, yes. Are these sensible separates?

[Pablo Torre]

They're sensible.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Were you at. Were you at some kind of an event or is this just how you.

[Pablo Torre]

I was at.

[Katie Nolan]

Pablo's very famous now. Because of this. Because of us.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Yeah. He's riding our coattails.

[Katie Nolan]

Yes. The sacrifice we make being here, having journalism happen to us live.

[Pablo Torre]

And this week, another twist in the back and forth media saga. Sports journalist Pablo Torre reporting that Hudson is being blacklisted by the university's football program. He shared the alleged details on his podcast. Two sources at the University of North Carolina tell me that there has been a decision. It was made last week and that decision was that Jordan Hudson is no longer allowed in the football building.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay.

[Pablo Torre]

She is not allowed on the football field.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

If you put me on a lie.

[Bill Belichick]

Detector right now and you said, who's the greatest sports journalist in the world? I swear to God, I'd say Pablo Torres.

[Pablo Torre]

I believe Pablo Torres, who, you know, put out a big statement on Friday, basically dictating exactly where he got the information from higher ups of North Carolina.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

And what have you.

[Pablo Torre]

And I believe Pablo. Once again, Katie Nolan, Michael Cruz Kane. Thank you for being here and I'm sorry.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

You have papers again in front of you.

[Katie Nolan]

It's crazy.

[Pablo Torre]

There's a box. There's a box in this room, under this table. We're gonna find out what's in the box because I hate it. This is even weirder than it was last time.

[Katie Nolan]

That's impossible. May I say that's impossible.

[Pablo Torre]

I went on a reporting trip this weekend.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

What do you mean?

[Pablo Torre]

I left my family to do this.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

This episode will involve yet more online reviews.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Oh, God.

[Pablo Torre]

As a brief foreshadowing and we tried not to do this. Yeah, we did an episode about Vladimir Putin's partnership with a German soccer team. And this was important reporting. And the response from Greg Dickerson on Twitter was, quote, stop wasting your time with the small time stuff like Putin. We need more Belichick ring camera videos.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, man.

[Pablo Torre]

And so after the episode came out and everybody was making a big deal of the fact that I said that Jordan Hudson was banned from the Carolina football facilities, from the field, from the program, that she wasn't welcome there, wasn't wanted there, all that stuff, University of North Carolina had a choice to make when it came to their response. They could have said, this reporter is incorrect. She is welcome here, period. What they did, though, was release a statement. And the statement said this, quote, while Jordan Hudson is not an employee at the University of Carolina athletics, she is welcome to the Carolina football facilities. Jordan will continue to manage all activities related to Coach Belichick's personal brand outside of his responsibilities for Carolina football and the university. End of quote. Right. So carefully worded, especially given how quickly they responded with that.

[Katie Nolan]

So she doesn't work here, that's for sure.

[Pablo Torre]

Which is an interesting thing that only became more accentuated when Bill Belichick resumed his press tour for this book. That was the whole heart of the CBS Sunday Morning thing that went haywire. And the messaging seemed to take on a very deliberate new tone.

[Katie Nolan]

I know that you're aware that your.

[Julian Edelman]

Relationship with Jordan Hudson has been a.

[Katie Nolan]

Headline over the last few months, and all of the specifics aside, because a.

[Pablo Torre]

Lot has come out in the last couple of days, how do you think.

[Katie Nolan]

That that impacts your ability to coach.

[Pablo Torre]

This football team, if at all?

[Bill Belichick]

Yeah, I mean, that's, you know, really.

[Pablo Torre]

Off to the side.

[Bill Belichick]

It's a personal relationship, and she doesn't have anything to do with UNC football. She does the business. Things that don't relate to North Carolina that come up in my life so.

[Pablo Torre]

I can concentrate on football. What does Jordan actually do for you that allows you to do your job? What are her actual job responsibilities?

[Bill Belichick]

Well, nothing with North Carolina, that would be number one. It would be personal opportunity.

[Pablo Torre]

So, you know, it just seems like there has been a change. Right. They hired a new PR person. This guy, Brandon Faber used to work for the Chicago Bears. He's now the PR person in charge. It's not Jordan Hudson. She is, as Belichick said, off to the side. Only a personal thing. Not personal and professional, as she had said in that statement previously released. But it was complicated I thought when I heard Channing Crowder, one of the co hosts of the Pivot podcast with Ryan Clark, the last interviewer in that montage, because he described his experience on set with Bill Belichick in that interview like this.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

It's weird to know him as Coach Belichick, running the entire organization as gm, head coach, talent coordinate, all that stuff. And then to see this tiny little 95 pound girl kind of pretty much telling him what to do.

[Pablo Torre]

So she was there.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

She was there. She. She choreographed the Open. Wow. Yeah, no, I said like she was there and she kind of coordinated. They had brand managers and, you know.

[Pablo Torre]

What do you mean? She coordinates it? Like, you guys are a successful podcast. You have a pretty decent formula. Like she coordinated the. Well, I mean, CBS Sunday Morning's pretty.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Successful show as well. And she seemed to have her paws all over that thing. That's what I say. She has her paws on. On the. On the.

[Pablo Torre]

The situation a bit more complicated behind the scenes once again. The second reaction I have though is that I want Katie Nolan to turn over the first page.

[Katie Nolan]

Why is it gotta be me?

[Michael Cruz Kane]

It's an early turn.

[Katie Nolan]

I put on gloves.

[Pablo Torre]

You might need to. I mean, look, what's been happening is that Jordan Hudson has been sidelined.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay?

[Pablo Torre]

Except she's also still around sidelined.

[Katie Nolan]

So in this press tour for this book, at least messaging wise, the new.

[Pablo Torre]

Rebrand is upon us.

[Katie Nolan]

Right? She is not speaking as warning turnover when instructed. I am instructed.

[Pablo Torre]

First page only.

[Katie Nolan]

First page only. Okay, here we go at Jordan Bella is the account. It has been dormant since January 2024 when the account retweeted cheer updates. Then last Friday. So last Friday, Jordan starts retweeting posts that defend her. She retweets one tweet from this account. Curry, Hicks, Sage. It's lacking a lot of punctuation. I think I'll lose people if I try to read it. But basically it's the person's trying to defend. In response to a New York Post aggregation of your reporting, Pablo, they tweeted that.

[Pablo Torre]

That's right.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. You do keep wanting to put all of our names on it. But it is a quote tweet of that and a defense of Jordan. Jordan reposted that. Then Jordan replied to it. Hashtag scapegoat with goat capitalized.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Oh, wow.

[Katie Nolan]

She then also retweeted a reply to awful announcing, which I think we've run into this before, but we've had to describe to you that that is a website that covers sports media, okay. Which reads simply this comes from Daddy G at Ellen T shirts. And he replied and said, good Lord, Pablo needs a hobby. So Jordan retweeted someone saying, good Lord, Pablo needs a hobby. And now Pablo, show me the lie.

[Pablo Torre]

She's not wrong.

[Katie Nolan]

Pablo, tell me about hobbies.

[Pablo Torre]

She's not incorrect that my life has been consumed by this story. And she is so correct, actually, that the real reason I summoned you here is not for any of the. We just ran through.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, no. What?

[Pablo Torre]

It's to get to the fact that there is a thing that we didn't even put into the original episod that we did.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I'm excited and scared.

[Katie Nolan]

I think I know what it is, and I'm just more scared.

[Pablo Torre]

It became world famous, and I mean that literally, because of Tom Brady, who Katie Nolan may recall from his work with the New England Patriots, because he was the center of a Netflix roast. And everybody who was there was some version of, associated or instrumental to the New England Patriots and their dynasty, including Bill Belichick. And when millions of people around the world tuned in, they heard Tom Brady say this. And now, for the real reason you.

[Bill Belichick]

All hear Coach Bill Belichick.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Everybody asked.

[Bill Belichick]

Me which ring is my favorite. I used to say the next one.

[Pablo Torre]

But now that I'm retired, my favorite.

[Bill Belichick]

Ring is the camera that caught Coach Belichick slinking out of that poor girl's house at 6am a few months ago.

[Katie Nolan]

That's just like making me watch that Saltburn video. Watching athletes do comedy.

[Pablo Torre]

I'm like, it's not dissimilar either. Are you guys familiar with this ring cam video?

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Yes, Michael, vaguely. But I would. I. I know that it exists, but I'm not sure that I've seen it.

[Pablo Torre]

Thank you for being the control group.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I'm scared of it.

[Pablo Torre]

No, because it went Viral, truly, in November 2023. But the video, for those not familiar did look like this.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Oh, my Lord.

[Pablo Torre]

Please narrate what you're saying while I'm.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Seeing Bill Belichick topless coming out of a. Maybe a screen door. I'm not sure. On, like, a ring camera. He's maybe on the back porch. It looks like. Is this a walk of shame?

[Katie Nolan]

What's he doing there?

[Pablo Torre]

All good questions.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. Do we have any answers coming?

[Pablo Torre]

Well, what happened with this video is that there have been a flood of questions.

[Katie Nolan]

Right.

[Pablo Torre]

But nobody has ever determined the truth of where this video comes from until when it was taped. If there are other videos out there.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Until now.

[Pablo Torre]

Until now.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Wow.

[Katie Nolan]

No way.

[Pablo Torre]

Go to break. What the. Pablo so the ring camera in question, the video that got circulated all over the Internet. Some Boston area person actually watermarked it. It went viral and it was most famously described in my research. This way, quote dailymail.com can reveal the expatriates coach was sneaking out of the Massachusetts home of his 24 year old former cheerleader girlfriend, Jordan Hudson. The ring footage, believed to be from November last year, shows the legend shirtless, opening the front door of Hudson's $800,000 Massachusetts property in the early hours of the morning.

[Katie Nolan]

What weird detail.

[Pablo Torre]

A lot of people, by the way, because of this, I think, understandably, they have theorized that. Did this leak come from inside the house? Yeah, as it were, did Jordan Hudson maybe leak? This is a theory that has been promulgated. I can tell you that Bill Belichick's own family has been terrified, panicked by this video existing. Imagine if suddenly your 70 year old patriarch is shown shirtless, you know, bountifully. Bountifully zaftig, I believe.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh my God.

[Pablo Torre]

And. And they say, where did this come from? What else is happening?

[Katie Nolan]

Who has this? Who they send it? Why does this exist? Why am I looking at this?

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

And in fact, one NFL executive whose team discussed hiring Bill Belichick last offseason before the entire league turned Belichick down, says their front office saw the video, didn't know what to make of this video when it got circulated online. This has been a big part of the story behind the scenes. It is a missing piece of Belichick's personal and professional trajectory. To paraphrase Jordan Hudson before. And I didn't want to take any of this reporting at face value, of course. So when I appeared on a podcast, pardon my take, I use their platform to say this. So what I did before I logged on here is I emailed the manager of that guy Rainbolt, who's the. The geoguester guy.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Yeah, he's incredible.

[Pablo Torre]

And so I'm hoping if Rainbolt listens to this. Please respond to your manager's email. I kind of need you to solve a mystery. Like, where was this?

[Katie Nolan]

Oh my God, Pablo.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

This is crazy.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh my God, Pablo.

[Pablo Torre]

Are you guys familiar with Rainbow?

[Katie Nolan]

Yes.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

It's like the guy who, like, you can show him a picture of anything and he's like, it's exactly here.

[Katie Nolan]

It's wild. He can be like you are at the parking lot of Old Caldors in Massachusetts on the. He can pinpoint you on a map. It's crazy.

[Pablo Torre]

He's the geo. Guessing goat.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Okay, wait no.

[Pablo Torre]

You know this. This is.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

This is the same rock that was on that one island. What island was it with this rock? It was the island between NMI and Guam.

[Katie Nolan]

How?

[Pablo Torre]

I don't know.

[Katie Nolan]

How?

[Pablo Torre]

I don't know.

[Katie Nolan]

Whatever the opposite of that is. That's me. I'm like, I am I in my own house right now?

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I have no idea. I don't know where I am when I'm there. Do I know this elephant?

[Bill Belichick]

I unironically might know this elephant.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

If this is like on one of.

[Bill Belichick]

These roads over here, I might know the elephant. I might know the elephant.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Still.

[Pablo Torre]

I'm obsessed with Rainbolts and I have many, many questions for Rainbolt himself that I might ask him now that we have an ongoing messaging relationship.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh my God.

[Pablo Torre]

So last Wednesday, this is. I got a DM from Rainbolt.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh my God.

[Pablo Torre]

And he said at 9:12am I've been sent that podcast clip many times. Haha. Period. I'm not home for about a week. But just LMK what you need from me and I can see what I can do. Salute emoji. I respond, send him some screenshots. The video that you saw of Belichick, the ring cam. And he replied, currently at 18,000ft in Nepal, but I'll do my best. Ha ha ha ha ha. Exclamation point.

[Katie Nolan]

What?

[Pablo Torre]

Supposed to be back Tuesday, but will send to friends that can get an early jump that are just as talented.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

A side story here is that there is wi fi at 18,000ft in Nepal.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

The side side story is that apparently there is an Avengers level roster of geoguessrs.

[Katie Nolan]

That's sick.

[Pablo Torre]

Because what Rainbolt says On Saturday at 1006am is all right. Sent out to about eight highly skilled individuals.

[Katie Nolan]

Terrifying.

[Pablo Torre]

Including Cantow, who is a wizard in his own right. Will keep you updated. Exclamation point.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

This feels dangerous to me. I don't want to. I don't want to have a relationship with people who can do this.

[Katie Nolan]

I'm like, I want to have a good relationship.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

I want them to like me.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

And be is like when Tony Soprano's like, here's a hundred bucks. You just take it. No, I don't want that, man. I don't. I don't need that money. It's not something. Something bad's going to happen to me.

[Katie Nolan]

Well, get under the table because here we go.

[Pablo Torre]

My army of eight geoguess proceeded to beyond the case. And as I'm waiting for this army of eight geoguessers to help us with our reporting simultaneously. Because I've been on all these things, all these shows, talking about this story in my reporting, so many. I started getting a couple tips, and what these tips started suggesting to me, and I had to track all this stuff down, try to verify it, fact check it, is that this house, actually, there's a key detail that has been misreported. It was actually an Airbnb. The problem being that the listing had been taken down. And so there was another dead end. But a clue at this point, these new sources I was cultivating informed me of another major development. Because, remember, when we posed the question about what other videos are there out there? What could there be? It turns out that there, in fact is another video of Bill Belichick from this ring cam that had been floating out into the ether. And so I want to remind you again, this was the original.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Okay, so first you think he's naked off the bat, you think this guy's naked.

[Pablo Torre]

I mean, he's sort of like, wandering around like a dazed bear.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Yeah. Hair.

[Pablo Torre]

Little must goes. Goes to reach into the.

[Katie Nolan]

Where's his shirt?

[Pablo Torre]

Wheel well.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

The wheel well.

[Pablo Torre]

Where's his shirt? He's shirtless. Where is the shirt?

[Michael Cruz Kane]

In the wheel well.

[Pablo Torre]

I got good news and bad news.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay.

[Pablo Torre]

The bad news is I have no idea where his shirt is.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, damn.

[Pablo Torre]

Because here, exclusively for the first time, is the other video.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, my God.

[Pablo Torre]

Oh, he has a satchel.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Yeah, it's got a little merse or bag.

[Katie Nolan]

Right.

[Pablo Torre]

He is very shirtless.

[Katie Nolan]

It's going to like a leather satchel, isn't it?

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Okay, so he's still topless. Absolutely. Yum, yum. Delish.

[Katie Nolan]

Great. A bag with a leather strap that he's clearly not figured out how to tighten because it's looped in a way you definitely wouldn't be choosing. And a hydro flask.

[Pablo Torre]

He's whole. He's holding one of those steel metal.

[Katie Nolan]

Flasks you put water in, and he puts it down by the wheel well.

[Pablo Torre]

And I would say he looks.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

And this is sort of normal for our guy Bill, he looks kind of disheveled, even in, like. Even if you saw another man at that exact same age in the exact same state. Bill has a little bit of disrepair to him.

[Pablo Torre]

I do love the birds chirping cheerily in the background.

[Katie Nolan]

That is woke. I just woke up. Hair. That hair has not yet been vertical to the point where it falls. It's like it was just up against a pillow.

[Pablo Torre]

Bed head.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

That is a clinical case of bedhead.

[Katie Nolan]

Yes, exactly.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

What Are we to make of this now?

[Pablo Torre]

Well, I'm glad you asked, because simultaneously, what Cantow, who turned out to be a German geoguessr, what he sent me is a message. And the message, quote, is the ring cam is located here.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. That's terrifying.

[Pablo Torre]

And then he named the town. He named the address. He gave me a couple screenshots from Google Maps.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Are we. Are we allowed to be terrified by this? The idea of just a guy in Germany who's like, I can find you wherever you are?

[Katie Nolan]

Sure, yeah. You're allowed.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I'm allowed to be like, I'm a little bit sweaty.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Okay.

[Katie Nolan]

Don't piss him off.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I certainly won't. He's a handsome, handsome man.

[Katie Nolan]

You don't know.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I bet he is.

[Katie Nolan]

You're just lying.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

You're a hunk, fella.

[Pablo Torre]

I. I was also sweaty. A bit nervous, yeah. Because at this point, I decided to take a trip.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

You went to the town.

[Katie Nolan]

Shut up, Pablo.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

You've been to this house. If you show me a ring cam video with you? No.

[Katie Nolan]

Pablo. What the.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

This is crazy.

[Katie Nolan]

Pablo, what the.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

This is crazy. This is crazy. I don't understand. What. I don't understand. What's. I don't understand. What is this?

[Katie Nolan]

Truman Show.

[Bill Belichick]

What is the world?

[Katie Nolan]

Truman Show.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Where are we?

[Katie Nolan]

What's going on? Oh, my God. What's going on?

[Michael Cruz Kane]

What is this?

[Katie Nolan]

Okay, I need a lot of answers. Now.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

You went to the house and you have access to the footage from the ring camera, right?

[Katie Nolan]

So the ring camera. The footage must go to the. Whoever's staying in the Airbnb that.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I think I'm starting to smell bad. I'm having a special sweat that smells. I'm having a bad smelling sweat.

[Pablo Torre]

You've raised a number of very legitimate questions about how it is that we just played you a video of me on that porch doing okay.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

So is this.

[Katie Nolan]

AI. Did you put yourself in the video?

[Pablo Torre]

So the first thing I should explain is that I'm gonna throw up. There's a box underneath the table.

[Katie Nolan]

I forgot about the box. I forgot about the box.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

It can't be the box.

[Pablo Torre]

The next thing is the box. Please get the box.

[Katie Nolan]

Throw up.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I'm getting the box.

[Pablo Torre]

I'm lightheaded.

[Katie Nolan]

I don't like this. I don't.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Should I put the box on the table?

[Katie Nolan]

Yes, I think so.

[Pablo Torre]

You should open the box.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I should open the box?

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Pablo, Is it alive? Is something. Can you just give us a heads up?

[Michael Cruz Kane]

This is Bill Belichick's shirt. I'm walking out of here.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, same with a new shirt. Okay. Even more sketchy.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Okay, do I open this? I've returned to the microphone.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, you can open producers.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Okay. It's taped hastily. I don't know how scared to be, but I'm definitely a little bit scared.

[Pablo Torre]

So. What are you holding, Michael?

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I'm holding a box for a ring camera, which sounds like it has a ring camera inside of it.

[Pablo Torre]

You may open the box inside the box. What I should explain is that the day before I went on this reporting trip to this house, I went to Sue Bird and Megan Rapinoe's live podcast, Shout Out. Shout out to A Touch More, and they had gift bags. And as I. This is not a joke. They were literally giving away ring cams.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay, so this is your ring cam.

[Pablo Torre]

This is my ring cam that you.

[Katie Nolan]

Set up at that house that we set up. Okay. That's a lot less crazy than I thought it was for a second there.

[Pablo Torre]

Now what I did do.

[Katie Nolan]

You don't want to touch it anymore. You wanna put it down?

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I'm scared of it.

[Pablo Torre]

What I did do, though, as we explain how it is that we have ring camera footage of me doing that.

[Katie Nolan]

Right.

[Pablo Torre]

Is that I found the Airbnb listing, which had been taken down previously. It was not the same one, but I was matching photos and I wasn't sure if it was the house. Like, how could you really tell? It wasn't exactly, you know, screenshots of the ring camera video that we had shown. But the smoking gun did reveal itself among the reviews.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, my God. Jordan from Chatham, Mass.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Oh, my.

[Katie Nolan]

July of 2023. Five stars. Great spot, great views, great host, great value, thumbs up emoji.

[Pablo Torre]

And that review encouraged me to rent this Airbnb. So at this point, I'd like to take you on a tour.

[Katie Nolan]

I'd love that.

[Pablo Torre]

Of my vacation getaway.

[Katie Nolan]

Can this stop blinking at me?

[Pablo Torre]

No. So here I am in the foyer. There's the curtain in front of the washer dryer. This is the door to the kitchen.

[Katie Nolan]

Great.

[Pablo Torre]

You know, it's very nice.

[Katie Nolan]

Railroad style.

[Pablo Torre]

Very nice railroad style. Long hallway. And we're at the end of the property. This is about 700 square feet. There's some nautical theme stuff you may see. Very clean, very nice. Opening up of the sheer curtains to the bedroom. And there is. Whoa, whoa.

[Katie Nolan]

It's a railroad style house. The whole place is.

[Pablo Torre]

And there is in one straight line. It has like, you know, a college dorm sort of scale to it.

[Katie Nolan]

Looks like almost a Murphy bed. Is that a Murphy? Does it fold Up. Because it could. They make those very chic now.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

It is the downstairs apartment of a house.

[Katie Nolan]

That is what it feels like. Yep.

[Pablo Torre]

Winthrop, Massachusetts.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Winthrop. Of course, Winthrop.

[Pablo Torre]

Winthrop, just outside of Boston. And so that. Yeah, I think that's a full or a double.

[Katie Nolan]

Damn. I couldn't even guess what town it is in Massachusetts. Those. Don't let those Geo guys see me.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

They're like, hang them. Pathetic.

[Pablo Torre]

And when I took this tour and I got the gist, I was like, I think my work here is done.

[Katie Nolan]

You'd think.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I think your work is kind of more than done. You have exceeded the bounds of what I would consider your work, Michael.

[Pablo Torre]

I tried. Yeah, I tried. I tried to be done.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

Tried to leave. But what happened was just when you thought you were out, the upstairs owner was like, I want to introduce myself.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh.

[Pablo Torre]

And I said, my name's Julian Edelman. She came downstairs, stopped by, and for better and for worse, recognized me. Oh, dear. At which point I said, hi. Would you be willing to answer a few questions about your property and what seems to be the most famous porch in Massachusetts? And provided that we kept her anonymous and just used the audio, she agreed.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Oh, my God.

[Pablo Torre]

What's your relationship to this place?

[Julian Edelman]

We lived here. We rented this unit for about a year in 2022, and then we bought it in May of 2023.

[Pablo Torre]

And you guys are sports fans?

[Bill Belichick]

Big time.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Julian Edelman]

Cowboys, Patriots. But it works.

[Pablo Torre]

So this is the couple that owns the Airbnb.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

They seem sweet.

[Katie Nolan]

They do seem sweet.

[Pablo Torre]

They are very sweet. And something that they make clear, which is insane to me, is that they didn't own it for that long before this all happened to them. And as a new host, as you now learned through her experience with me, she's very friendly, and she offered the same courtesy to Jordan Hudson as a new host.

[Julian Edelman]

I tried to make it a point to meet people, and I couldn't meet her right when she arrived. So I came in and I'd come off the golf course, and we were just chatting about different things. And that's when she said that she wanted to know how far Danvers was. And I was like, are you getting married? She's like, no, I compete in pageants. And I said, well, we're members at the golf course. You should come play with us. You know, my friends have clubs they can lend you.

[Bill Belichick]

She said she played. That's all?

[Julian Edelman]

Yeah, she said she played. And she also said she prefers a men's senior shaft. So I just sort of didn't really think much about that until later.

[Katie Nolan]

Wait a second. Wait a second.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I don't.

[Katie Nolan]

Wait a second. Am I Team Jordan? Wait a second.

[Pablo Torre]

This is a golf term I have learned.

[Katie Nolan]

I mean, a men's senior shaft. Now, may I ask, because I've. I just like to ruin your day. Yeah, this is. At this point, does this woman know. At the point that Jordan is saying that she prefers a men's senior, does she know that her guest with her there is Bill Belichick?

[Pablo Torre]

I am so glad you asked that question.

[Katie Nolan]

Yes. Finally.

[Julian Edelman]

We saw the Ring video in the morning, not knowing who this was, but it was an older gentleman with a very young woman who checked in the night before. And a car parked where it said no parking was, like, worrisome to us that this is going to shut us down. We need to make sure that they know registered guests cannot.

[Bill Belichick]

She said, oh, she's like. She's with this creepy old guy. She's her.

[Pablo Torre]

Some.

[Bill Belichick]

Her relative or a drug dealer was their first thing because the age disc must be a freaking cook dealer. And I was like, what?

[Pablo Torre]

Come on.

[Julian Edelman]

Crazy.

[Bill Belichick]

So that was. That was her first reaction. And then I started looking. I'm like, that does look like Belichick. And then I saw the walk and the haunchy had. Because they were doing OTAs, so he had the farmer's tan going. Sun was just coming up. Yeah, it's probably about 6 o'.

[Pablo Torre]

Clock.

[Bill Belichick]

We were legitimately worried about her because she booked for four nights or something. Five nights. And she was here that one night with fam and we didn't see her again. And we looked in the window like nobody came. Like, who books and doesn't come? It was a beautiful. The weather was beautiful. Like, we never saw her at once.

[Julian Edelman]

No more Ring videos of her coming and going. So when it came Saturday evening, it was time to say, hey, here are the checkout instructions.

[Bill Belichick]

But at first we thought she was like a dancer on escort. And I was like, she could be freaking dead.

[Julian Edelman]

The week went on. We were thinking that because she's an.

[Bill Belichick]

Escort, because she had multiple. Like, she said she was a dancer. And like, it was just. Something was off about, you know, like, it just didn't make sense.

[Katie Nolan]

I think that's fair for those people. That's logical. That's what the gossip in me would do, being like, we had a young girl who mentioned cheerleading. Have an older man over and then not show back up. She must wear. Like, that's fair. I don't think they're like.

[Pablo Torre]

I mean, with that accent, I can Only discern this to be the most genuine reaction for a Bostonian Patriots fan to have when he's not sure. Is this man Bill Belichick.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, that sounds like my uncle.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Yeah. His detective work. Also. I really. I really enjoyed him being like, it's the fun. The ota. That's a fan. You know what I mean? That's a real fan.

[Pablo Torre]

So this was, as key context is concerned, the second Airbnb guest they ever had.

[Katie Nolan]

Crazy the odds of that.

[Pablo Torre]

And this was happening. This video was taken on June 28, 2023, during OTAs, organized team activities in the NFL. And I just need to clarify something, because when it comes to how the video originally circulated, how did it get out? This was the original mystery that compelled me to even go, which was like, where did this come from? How did this get out here? Who leaked it? And they wanted to be extraordinarily clear that not only was it not them, they regret not making money off of this because this is what happened.

[Bill Belichick]

She showed it to me the next morning, and I said, come on, don't be forced. And she had sent it to a girlfriend of hers, and the girlfriend right away said that that's definitely him.

[Julian Edelman]

I don't think we ever really thought of it in that way until we probably saw when someone other than us released the video and then when it was on the Netflix special, and then it came out a few more times. So I. I think it's. It's kind of crazy now to think about, but I. I don't.

[Pablo Torre]

They sent it to some friends and were like, is this Bill Belichick, the favorite coach of the man who co. Owns this house? And everybody that they sent it to was like, of course it is Bill Belichick.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

And then that video is on the loose, bro.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, once it's out, it's out out. Somebody. Do they think one of their friends might have profited off of it?

[Pablo Torre]

I think there is a chain of custody beyond which they have zero visibility. And someone. I mean, what other proof I have that this is not them has to do with the fact that some of my sources who tipped me off to the fact that this is an Airbnb outside of Boston. I got sent screenshots of group chats from before this was released.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay.

[Pablo Torre]

And it's all. Lots of people in the Boston area just talking about how this thing is about to drop. And it's just. And they're not in it for whatever that's worth. But lots of people clearly were like, trading this video until it made its way out.

[Katie Nolan]

I'm not in the right whisper circles.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Yeah, it's a bummer.

[Katie Nolan]

It's a blow to the ego to know that I'm not getting included on any of that.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I'm sorry. I'm sorry about that.

[Katie Nolan]

It's all right. Thanks.

[Pablo Torre]

Oh, and I should clarify that. Like, a key part of what I'm finding out, by the way, to be very, very clear, is that I also don't have any evidence that Jordan Hudson is the one who leaked.

[Katie Nolan]

Right.

[Pablo Torre]

So, like, the whole thing of, did Jordan release the tape was at her house? Did she release the video herself? The thing that she did that was not the greatest. Again, opsec, as they say in, like, the Defense Department operational security.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

You got it.

[Pablo Torre]

Is that it didn't seem like Bill Belichick was aware that, in fact, in the listing for this Airbnb, it very clearly says there's a ring cam as he was wandering back and forth loading his car before 6am which you can tell us when the time stamps.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

One of the amenities at the Airbnb is, we will catch your ass.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

So I do want to go back to the tweet that I feel like is increasingly accurate that Jordan Hudson retweeted.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, you mean, good Lord, Pablo needs a hobby.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

I was thinking the same thing, Daddy.

[Pablo Torre]

Because when you go to that tweet on her page and you click on it and you're like, what is this in response to? It is a response to this awful announcing article that is aggregating a piece of information that I had in our first episode that we did together. And it said, quote, pablo Torre colon, Jordan Hudson was around Patriots as early as 2021.

[Katie Nolan]

Hmm.

[Pablo Torre]

That is the response. That is the tweet that led Daddy G to say, good Lord, Pablo needs a hobby. This is also a bit of information that people have doubted. People have doubted whether she could possibly have been around the Patriots in 2021. For instance, on Twitter, there's a guy, Jamie McDonald, who said, quote, yeah, I don't believe a thing this dude says. Honestly, maybe she was. But if Pablo Torre is the one saying it, I don't believe it. I, um. And then he goes on to further disparage my credibility in general.

[Katie Nolan]

Don't dare.

[Pablo Torre]

The New York Times reported this week, quote, Ms. Hudson has not shared publicly when or how her romantic relationship with Mr. Belichick began in earnest. But by the summer of 2023, she was spending time in Foxborough, Mass. Where the Patriots are headquartered, end quote. So this brings Us back to this larger question about what did NFL teams know? What did anybody know about their relationship? Such that the teams that were contemplating interviewing even hiring Bill Belichick to be their head coach and possibly more, which again, no one did. This question sort of rests on this timeline of like, so when was she around? When did this relationship start? When was she around NFL buildings? And so I had to figure out, how do I prove what I had been told, which is that she was around gillette Stadium in November 2021. How do I prove this? And so, Michael. Oh, no, you got papers in front of you.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Oh, my God.

[Pablo Torre]

And I want you to describe what it is that you are seeing.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Okay. I'm looking at a picture of the crowd at Gillette Stadium.

[Katie Nolan]

Are you.

[Pablo Torre]

So there, what is there is a thing called a fan cam, okay. That I didn't know about until last week.

[Katie Nolan]

I know you're familiar. Yes, you can, I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, but a fan cam, you can put in your seat, like your ticket number and your row and everything at a certain game, and it'll show you that seat section of that game on camera so you can find yourself as a fan in the crowd.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

At the game that you go going back like. Like you could do this.

[Katie Nolan]

I don't know.

[Pablo Torre]

I don't know how far back it.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Turns out he's going to find.

[Pablo Torre]

On December 14, 2014.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Wow. Seven years ahead of when we would need it, huh?

[Pablo Torre]

So what I didn't realize is that this was a whole searchable thing with like high definition cameras everywhere. We could zoom into any surveillance.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

The Panopticon.

[Pablo Torre]

It is in fact a Patriots Panopticon.

[Katie Nolan]

A padop to a. Whatever. Go ahead.

[Pablo Torre]

What I found after exhaustive searching of the Patriots fan cam database.

[Katie Nolan]

Good Lord. Pablo needs a hobby. Sorry. Keep going.

[Pablo Torre]

Was the Sunday, Nov. 28, 2021, when the Tennessee Titans visited the New England Patriots.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I don't understand.

[Pablo Torre]

So I'd like you to flip to your next.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

This is like when David Blaine, like, eats a thing of glass, where you're like, what? How did you do that?

[Katie Nolan]

What's the slight event?

[Michael Cruz Kane]

He's like, no, you know what I did? I just did it. Yeah, I actually did that thing. The thing that you're like, no one would do that. I did it.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, my God. Stop. Pablo. It's zoomed way in.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

We are way zoomed in on this fan cam is as.

[Katie Nolan]

That sure is. That is Jordan. This is November.

[Pablo Torre]

When 28th, 28th, 2021. It's the Patriots 3613 win over the Tennessee Titans. You may recall it as the time Mac Jones threw for 310 yards and two touchdowns. Ramond Ray Stevenson had 46 yards on the ground. Jacoby Myers, 98 yards receiving. What I learned in my reporting is that Bill Belichick has a row of seats. He has multiple seats outdoors, not merely in his luxury box somewhere, but out right beneath the overhang in Gillette Stadium, which is a pretty good seat, it turns out. Good sight lines also cover from, like, the elements. And. And what I had to do was scroll endlessly through Gillette Stadium's fan cams.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

You're telling me, you're telling me that you just went through it.

[Katie Nolan]

You knew the section, but not the day.

[Pablo Torre]

I knew roughly the month, November. I didn't know exactly the section. And what was a real mother for me was that when you start doing this, the first set of photos is from pregame. And so when you go to that, you don't see three people who seem to be sitting together in those seats. You, in fact, almost contemplate giving up on this episode entirely.

[Katie Nolan]

Right?

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Yeah, sure.

[Pablo Torre]

I don't see anything. Only to realize that, in fact, there's a time lapse dynamic in which you click forward to, like, the first quarter, and suddenly materializing in three empty seats are three people that I recognize because a separate bit of photography I had seen before is in fact a photo of Jordan Hudson at a Patriots game. And that is the next.

[Katie Nolan]

The next paper piece.

[Pablo Torre]

And so Jordan had posted this photo on Facebook of her and two people that I don't know. And I did some basic research and may or may not know who they are, but that's largely relevant to what we're doing here. And yes, you can clearly see that this is Jordan Hudson wearing the same outfit in the fan cam video alongside two people who are also wearing the.

[Katie Nolan]

Identical outfits, the outfit being a Tom Brady jersey.

[Pablo Torre]

And Katie Nolan has observed it's the.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

Same jacket, but the jacket's all pulled up, so you can kind of. You can see her face a little better.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. Tom Brady jersey. I don't know. It's just very frust. I think the. The main source of frustration for me is this iron curtain that it's always been where I've always been. Like, well, Bill doesn't talk about that stuff. So Bill's on the distract. Like, I've. It's the words I've used to defend this, him being at the helm of my team that now I feel like he's going, like, actually I'm like this. And it's just like, okay, so you've been covered by a media you refuse to interact with in a, in a way that gives them anything. And now you're kind of spilling out on the sides. And it's just, I, I, I'd like to know if you're aware of everything that's going on, Mr. Belichick.

[Pablo Torre]

I do often think about what New England Bill Belichick would say to North Carolina Bill Belichick when it comes to the concept of distraction and media strategy and who to trust. Because if nothing else, what we are talking about, beyond a story about power, which was the theme of the last episode we did, it's just a story where you pull at any thread and you will find in some cases a literal thread attached to a mattress in an Airbnb in Massachusetts or in the case of Gillette Stadium, a trail that goes back to on camera that is verifiable years earlier. And all I'm saying is the whole thing about, like, don't be distraction, do your job. We don't talk or worry about the media. We are seeing one character become so opposite.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

That it's been disorienting for everybody involved.

[Michael Cruz Kane]

I mean, based on my understanding, which is extremely thin compared to the two of you, of how Bill Belich operated as the coach of the Patriots. Patriots. Bill Bellich would fire UNC coach Bill Belichick.

[Katie Nolan]

It feels like this whole no distractions, do your job is like the no parking sign of this Airbnb. It's a thing you say. And Bill goes, not me, though. They're not talking to me.

[Pablo Torre]

So this is where I do need to reiterate that for all of my reporting here, neither Jordan Hudson nor Bill Belichick nor the University of North Carolina has responded to our requests for comment. And look, yes, this story may have very, very dumb aspects to it. Fully acknowledge that. But it is also the story of the most highly paid public employee in the state of North Carolina today, who also happens to be the greatest coach in the history of America's most popular sport, as well as the foremost cultural example of what it means to do your job and eliminate distraction, as he preached to the greatest and most famous quarterback of all time, who was publicly joking about the video whose mystery we have now solved today. And so look, yes, if you think sports are important, I find it hard to not treat this story as worthy of inspection, regardless of the whole age gap dynamic, regardless of the hole. He met her on a plane when she was 19 years old thing, although I also consider that worth mentioning. She became the person Bill Belichick empowered to the point where he told North Carolina to cc her on every single email sent to him. She was managing his public image and actual media businesses. And the people who diminish her influence as well as failed to consider the influence this had on NFL hiring processes clearly didn't talk to the same people that I have now interviewed, let alone his family and his inner circle and university administrators. But Jordan Hudson and I agree on two things at the very least. Number one, I really do need a new hobby. I spent way too much time reporting fact checking. For instance, this week the New York Times reported that Jordan Hudson has told at least one person that she and Bill Belichick are now engaged to be married. What I can tell you is that as recently as March, Belichick told a friend who directly asked him about this that they are not engaged. And if they are, mazel tov. But the second thing that Jordan Hudson and I absolutely agree on brings me back to Winthrop, Massachusetts Quarter Nantucket.

[Julian Edelman]

Wasn't Cohasset, wasn't Hull.

[Pablo Torre]

Wasn't Hull.

[Bill Belichick]

It was Winthrop. This little town right outside of Boston by the sea.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah. And so what I needed to do here at the end was leave a review of my own. It is pretty amazing that this apartment is just 22 minutes outside of Boston. It has an in unit washer and dryer, a dining area workspace, excellent water pressure by the way, a relatively new smart television, a full size bed with freshly changed sheets, and this sheer curtain which provides some privacy but not quite as much as you'd think. 5 stars Pablo Torre finds out is produced by Walter Averoma, Ryan Cortez, Sam Dawig, Juan Galindo, Patrick Kim, neely Loman, Rob McRae, Rachel Miller, Howard Carl Scott, Matt Sullivan, Claire Taylor, Chris Tuminello and Juliet Warren. Our studio engineering by RG Systems Our sound design by NGW Post. Our theme song, as always, is by John Bravo. We will talk to you.

[Katie Nolan]

It.