The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show (PTFO Vault)

Summary

Pablo Torre Finds Out

Episode: The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show (PTFO Vault)
Date: August 26, 2025
Host: Pablo Torre
Guests: Paul Finebaum, Gary "Legend" Wilson (and calls from iconic Finebaum Show listeners)

Episode Overview

Pablo Torre embarks on a distinctive deep-dive into the cultural phenomenon that is The Paul Finebaum Show—the most influential sports radio show in the American South and arguably the nation. Through a mix of archival calls, revealing interviews, and in-depth reporting, Pablo explores how the Finebaum Show created a community of fervent college football fans—characters equal parts hilarious, unfiltered, and profound—and why Alabama football (and its callers) feel like the soul of American populist sports talk. Special focus is given to "Legend," a regular caller whose turbulent life story—full of pain, conviction, and wild devotion to Alabama football—exemplifies the unique ecosystem of the show.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Singular Power & Culture of The Finebaum Show

• Paul Finebaum's Persona and Audience Split

  • Pablo describes the paradox: Finebaum is a "bald, 69 year old Jewish guy who is not from Alabama," yet the show is central to Southern college football discourse (05:24).
  • The callers: passionate, unruly, unmistakably Southern—often more narrative-generating than the show’s own hosts.
  • Finebaum notes: "We tapped into the culture of America. I frankly think we found this audience before Donald Trump did." (04:46)

• Finebaum’s Show as a Cultural Institution

  • The show is therapeutic, a "confessional booth," a soapbox for the "Sidewalk Alumni.”
  • Finebaum: “I understand what's going on in this country because we deal with it every day… these are hard working people who love college football and love to express themselves on it.” (05:09)
  • Pablo observes how fandom, particularly Alabama’s, weaves into callers’ identities—sometimes to absurd, sometimes to dangerous extremes.

• Epic Stories and Legendary Calls

  • The infamous "Al from Dadeville" call, where a man admitted to poisoning Auburn's iconic Toomer’s Corner oak trees out of rivalry devotion (14:22–15:19).
  • Smokey calls from the ER during his heart attack to profess his love for the show and Finebaum:
    • “Paul, I love your show… I might be having a heart attack, but I wanted to let you know how much this show means.” (16:40–17:01)
  • Phyllis from Mulga’s unforgettable rants:
    • On Jim Harbaugh: “Don’t you dare come down on the University of Alabama. I will eat your ass for lunch.” (18:55)

The Psychology and Sociology of the Callers

• Profile: The Legend (Gary Wilson)

  • A steakhouse worker and former construction worker, born in Maryland, raised an Alabama fan by his father’s influence (22:43–27:35).
  • His first appearance: “I’m the Legend, and I want to talk to that moron Tim Brando about Mark Godfrey.” (25:27)
  • Adopts the title “President of the Sidewalk Alumni”—fans who didn’t attend Alabama, but bleed crimson and white all the same.
    • “I am that fan that the administration don’t want to talk about. The one that never went to school, that never got a diploma and never been in class.” (27:57)
  • Finebaum: “Legend is the president of the Sidewalk Alumni and your colleague Joe Scarborough is the president of the upper crust elite Alabama Alumni. I gravitate more toward the sidewalk.” (28:32)

• Populism, Therapy, and Fame

  • Finebaum’s show gives a voice to fans outside the academic/alumni elites.
  • The caller-listener dynamic is deeply personal, therapeutic; sometimes a matter of literal life or death.

The Darkness and Redemption in Legend’s Story

• Legend’s Violent Past

  • At 17, Legend killed his cousin in a drug-fueled fight over a girl, facing the electric chair before imprisonment and eventual parole (36:04–39:11).
  • "When I was 17 years old, I took a young man's life…It was an act of a coward. Anybody that takes a gun and takes a life is committing an act of cowardice." (36:20)
  • Spent 15 years in prison; after release, became an evangelist, traveling and preaching—acquiring the nickname "Legend" after preaching in a prison where over 100 men converted (39:32–40:35).

• Redemption and New Mission

  • Finebaum on Gary’s transformation: “He’s a personification of what our show is about. A guy that probably should be dead, but now he's a famous Finebaum caller.” (38:38–39:11)
  • After the Uvalde school shooting, Legend appealed to young viewers to "put the guns down," a call that reportedly stopped a listener from committing violence that day (41:05–41:42).
  • Legend explains: “We are the castaways. We are the throwaway fans…we are real.” (42:03–42:14)

College Football’s Emotional Economy

• The Cost of Losing, the Relentlessness of Fandom

  • With Nick Saban gone and DeBoer struggling, callers (especially Legend) express existential pain over Alabama’s decline—Legend metaphor: “It’s like going to bed married to Beyoncé and waking up with Whoopi Goldberg laying next to your brother.” (21:51)
  • Legend offers his bowl tickets to Pablo in disgust at the state of the program:
    • “You can have my tickets, brother. This ain’t the mountaintop.” (46:07)
  • Finebaum identifies with the Sidewalk Alumni—the populist discontent that animates both fandom and politics.

• What Everyone Wishes for Christmas

  • Pablo: “What do you want for Christmas?”
  • Legend: “A 40-year-old Nick Saban ready to go back to work at the University of Alabama, baby. That would be the greatest Christmas ever.” (47:47)
  • Finebaum: “I can't do any better than Legend in my career…I've never thought, I have this idea that Legend gets married again, has a child and produces the next generation's legend.” (46:46–47:35)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the show’s populist audience

  • Paul Finebaum: “We tapped into the culture of America. I frankly think we found this audience before Donald Trump did.” (04:41)

• On therapy, fandom, and the show’s purpose

  • Pablo Torre: “There's an aspect of your show, of course, that is both therapy, that is confessional booth, that is frankly, Occupy Wall Street when it comes to just the populism…” (19:21)
  • Legend: “We are the castaways. We are the throwaway fans.” (42:03)

• Legend’s raw sports pain

  • Legend: “You don't lose the Vanderbilt. That's the ugliest little sister on the block. You don't lose the Vanderbilt. The honeymoon's over and we need some damn marriage counseling. Legend has left the damn building.” (24:33–24:50)

• On redemption and hope

  • Legend: “Anybody that takes a gun and takes a life is committing an act of cowardice… I'm very ashamed of it. I faced the electric chair for 18 months.” (36:20–37:12)

• What Alabama fandom means

  • Legend: “My first words were road tide, not daddy, but row tide. That was my first words.” (27:35)

• On being the outsider fan

  • Paul Finebaum: "Legend is the president of the Sidewalk Alumni…those folks have always needed representation…we give them a voice. It may make the athletic directors and chancellors uncomfortable, but I really don’t care.” (28:32)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Beginnings and Setup: 00:00–03:23
• Who is Paul Finebaum & the Show’s Audience: 03:23–05:09
• Bear Bryant, Nick Saban, and the Roots of Alabama’s Football Obsession: 09:09–10:52
• Legendary Callers and Iconic Moments: 12:26–19:09
• Introducing ‘Legend’ and the Sidewalk Alumni: 21:30–29:24
• Legend’s First Call and Rapid Rise: 24:55–26:24
• Legend’s Biography & Family Roots: 26:54–27:35
• Populist vs. Elite Fandom: 27:57–29:24
• On Losing, Righteous Anger, Bowl Games: 30:02–30:40, 45:31–46:32
• Legend’s Criminal Past and Redemption: 34:43–41:10
• Legend’s Evangelism and the Meaning of ‘Legend’: 39:32–40:38
• Finebaum’s Philosophy and Influence: 44:14–45:11
• Christmas Wishes: 46:46–48:33

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Conclusion

This episode of Pablo Torre Finds Out is a rollicking, sometimes sobering, always lively journey into the world of Paul Finebaum and his unique congregation—a window onto an America where sports talk is confessional, communal therapy, and a theater of the nation’s deepest longings and antagonisms. Through the story of Legend, we see fandom that is at once redemptive and raw; and through Finebaum’s tolerant ringmastering, we glimpse how the wildest voices, if given a stage, just might say something profound about America itself.

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Transcript

[Pablo Torre]

Okay, so hello, it is me, Pablo, entering, invading even your ears. Because I have done something I have not done before, which is take the advice of someone who once told me that if people wish to support you financially, if they wish to support your journalism, your very strange future of journalism, meaning your newsroom, your ambitions, your desire to investigate things people don't want you to investigate, you should let them. And so I am on Substack my [e-mail]. we'll put a link in the show notes of this episode. I have turned on paid subscriptions and if you didn't know I have a substack, guess what? It's free. And that's still there for you. And it's worth it. But the paid subscribers who support this show and us will get legitimately cool personalized benefits to come. We will make it worth your while. Pablo show is where you sign up. Click the link in the show notes. Help support us please. Thank you, thank you, thank you on that front. And this. This episode today is a handpicked episode from deep inside the PTFO vault that we sincerely hope you enjoy. Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds out. I am Pablo Torre. And today we're going to find out what this sound is.

[Legend (Gary Wilson)]

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[Pablo Torre]

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[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

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[Pablo Torre]

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[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

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[Pablo Torre]

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[Legend (Gary Wilson)]

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[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

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[Paul Feinbaum]

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[Legend (Gary Wilson)]

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[Pablo Torre]

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[Paul Feinbaum]

Your show, which is, well, you're a FaceTime caller.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, I'm a first time, long time. That is also true. I was thinking about how to explain you and your show to people in my life who don't already know the legend of your show, so to speak. And I, I realize that it's hard because I have to explain that I spend time with Paul Feinbaum early in the morning on msnbc, quite a bit.

[Legend (Gary Wilson)]

CSVN Paul Feinbaum, thank you so much. Good luck today.

[Paul Feinbaum]

It's going to be rough, Pablo. So last.

[Pablo Torre]

And then Paul, you go off and you do a show that I would dare say is not exactly the same audience.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

You're jealous. That's the bottom line. You're jealous. And Bama's coming back. Bama has not lost. The dynasty is not over. Do you hear me Counter. Belma's dynasty has just begun. Kiss my butt. Roll Tide.

[Paul Feinbaum]

We don't have a lot of New York Times, reading, npr, listening Pablo Torrey, podcast aficionados.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

My teacher came up and took everything from me because I was supposed to be doing my math sheet. I told her it's okay though, because the Tide just hired the board and I smell a natty in 24 roll. Damn tide. Paul, see you later, buddy.

[Paul Feinbaum]

But we have tapped into something, Pablo. We tapped into the culture of America.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

West Virginia is where Saban is from and they fought with the union. Saban is a Yankee.

[Paul Feinbaum]

I frankly think we found this audience before Donald Trump did.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

You know, Paul, going from Coach Saban to coast to bore, it's like going to bed married to Beyonce and waking up with Whoopi Goldberg laying next to your brother. Is this acceptable, Alabama fans? Is this Alabama football? Is this what we signed up for?

[Paul Feinbaum]

I understand what's going on in this country because we deal with it every day. And these are, these are hard working people who love college football and love to express themselves on it.

[Pablo Torre]

So if you're already wondering here why the most popular and influential sports radio show in the entirety of the south, beloved by those voices we just played for you, happens to be a program called the Paul Finebaum Show. I get the question. Paul is a bald, 69 year old Jewish guy who is not from Alabama, although he has lived in Alabama now for 45 years. And those same voices you heard have taken to comparing Paul's General look to Mr. Burns from the Simpsons, for instance, among other things. But the Paul Feinbaum show, to be very clear, is a singular cultural institution. And this particular holiday season, Tuscaloosa's first without Nick Saban, arguably the greatest college Football coach who ever lived. There is no radio show that I would rather hear.

[Paul Feinbaum]

There was almost a sitcom done on this program. I was in D.C. about seven or eight years ago. I was on Kornheiser Show. Some guy heard it who used to be the. The final EP for Cheers. We went to Hollywood with this concept 25, 30 years ago. Me starting as a talk show host from, from New York in Alabama. My family's all from New York.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, yeah.

[Paul Feinbaum]

And all four networks passed on it. We. We fired the guy who came up with the idea, went back to Hollywood the next year. In 2019, ABC bought the sitcom Jason Biggs, who did the American Pie trilogy, signed on to play me. And it was in the early stages of development. I had already signed a contract to be the executive. One of three executive producers. Covid happened.

[Pablo Torre]

And so all we're left with now is a mental image, I suppose, of a young Paul Feinbaum, a pie. And you're welcome for that. But what I did want to find out today is how Paul got into this mess, so to speak, in the first place.

[Paul Feinbaum]

I'll spare you the long explanation of how I got here. I was a sports writer, much like you, except at a much lower level, I might add. And it eventually led into talk radio at a time when talk radio was, was, was blossoming.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

Greetings to you conversationalists all across the fruited plain. Rush Limb ball raring and ready to go and eager. Bieber couldn't wait to get to the EIB microphone today, ladies and gentlemen. Once I started perusing the news.

[Paul Feinbaum]

The first time, the show really started resonating. We followed Rush Limbaugh on a news talk station in Birmingham. So Rush got the audience ready for us, and then we took them and fed them even more red meat. We weren't feeding them red meat about Bill Clinton and Congress or Barack Obama. We were feeding them red meat about Alabama and Auburn football primarily.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

Let me tell you something. I do not agree that Alabama should have went all the way to the number one spot. That is the most ridiculous thing that could have happened. Paul, they are all the way to the number one spot. Who has done that yet? Nobody. Oregon. Why did he jump Oregon? There's no.

[Paul Feinbaum]

Have you ever thought that this is just not going to be your year? Everything you wanted to happen hasn't happened.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

Oh, my gosh. It's always my year when I'll replace.

[Pablo Torre]

Among all of the rabid cultures across the south and the Midwest. Why is Alabama the place where this show is like this?

[Paul Feinbaum]

I know this is ancient History. But you have to go back 42 years when Bear Bryant died. He was the most famous coach in college football in the modern era. And I say the modern era, but the previous most famous was Knute Rockne at Notre Dame. And then Bryant took it over. He won six national championships. And I got there, I covered his last two years and that was the, that was a badge that I wore that I covered the Bear. Because those next 25 years were a disaster. Alabama head coaches by the name of Mike Shua. Not Don Sh, but Mike Shua and Mike Price and Mike Dubos. It was a wasteland until Nick Saban showed up. So you go from 1982 to 2007 where nothing good happened and then Saban shows up and only wins six national championships.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah. And now I come to you in the post Nick Saban era at a time when I think I am more interested in you and your audience than I've ever been. It's been a hell of a season for your show in all of these senses.

[Paul Feinbaum]

Let me take you back to September 28th.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

Milro Keeper first down and more tightroping down the sideline. Touchdown.

[Paul Feinbaum]

Unbelievable start for Milroe in this offense.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

36 yard lightning strike.

[Paul Feinbaum]

Alabama beat Georgia. It was a major upset. Even though the game was in Tuscaloosa. It was just one of the wildest games. Alabama got off to somebody got 28 to nothing lead. Georgia came back. Alabama won by one touchdown.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

Back launches for the end zone. Jeff Ball ghetto accepted. And Saien Brown, the freshman makes a game saving play for Alabama.

[Paul Feinbaum]

I sat on on the show with you and Joe Scarborough, who's an Alabama graduate, and I was joking, but I said it anyway. I said, would it be blasphemous for me to say here on Morning Joe that it looks like Kwin DeBoer is doing a better job coaching than Nick Saban did even a year ago? You cannot say that.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

Oh, come on.

[Paul Feinbaum]

Okay. I just wanted to try that out. What happened on that Saturday, Pablo?

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

This attitude, this program. And the biggest win on the west end. Vanderbilt takes down number one, Alabama.

[Paul Feinbaum]

It was the first time in 40 years Alabama lost to Vanderbilt. And I swear I. I don't think I'll be reporting when the world comes to an end. But I was alive that night and it felt like that had happened.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

He can't control this thing. And isn't it amazing when the Urban Meyers and Harsons and the deboers and all these other guys come in from around the country, they just don't get Southeastern football. They don't understand the religion, Paul. They don't understand the dedication. They don't understand the terminology. They don't understand the opponents.

[Pablo Torre]

When I tell you, though, that I first became aware of your show in earnest in about 2010, I imagine you can guess why.

[Paul Feinbaum]

Oh, yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

The saga of Al from Dadeville, Paul. I. I struggle to begin to summarize the Shakespearean and then criminal drama that was that story. How do you tell it for people not familiar with the lore?

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

The Bryant Kenny Stadium in Tuscaloosa. It's Auburn and it's Alabama and it's the Iron Bowl. And here comes Alabama.

[Paul Feinbaum]

It was a Friday game right after Thanksgiving. Alabama led 24 to nothing. Here comes Cam Newton, leads them back, and in the face of all of.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

The turmoil, he leads his team from 24 down to a 2820 victory in the Iron Bowl.

[Paul Feinbaum]

And in the aftermath of it, a couple weeks later, we got a call from Al from Dadeville. Al is in Dadeville, Alabama. Hey, Al.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

Hey, Paul. How you doing?

[Paul Feinbaum]

Well, thanks.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

When Bear Brian died, I was living in Texas, and I really didn't.

[Paul Feinbaum]

Auburn rolls what's called Toomer's Corners after a win. Toilet paper on the trees, their iconic oak trees. National landmark, famous. He starts off on this Bear Bryant thing. That the night that Bear Bryant died, Auburn fans rolled Toomer's Corner. I said, no, they didn't. I've looked into that urban legend. Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. I just have the most difficult time ever believing that Auburn students rolled Toomer's Corner when the news broke that Coach Bryant died. Does anyone else remember that? I don't.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

Do you want me to send you a copy of the. I still have newspaper clipping.

[Paul Feinbaum]

And he just kept arguing with me. He's a former state trooper in Texas, and he finally just blurted out, I'll tell you what I did.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

The weekend after the Iron Bowl, I went to Auburn, Alabama, because I lived 30 miles away, and I poisoned the two tumor trees.

[Paul Feinbaum]

Okay, well, that's fair.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

I put Spike 80 DL in them.

[Paul Feinbaum]

Did they die?

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

Do what?

[Paul Feinbaum]

Did they die?

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

They're not dead yet, but they. They definitely will die.

[Paul Feinbaum]

Is that against the law to poison a tree? He said, do you think I care? Okay.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

I really don't. Roll down tight.

[Paul Feinbaum]

A week later, we got a call from somebody asking if we could hand over the tape, which we did. Two weeks later, I get a call from a friend of mine, Pat Smith, my. My producer actually got the call from a guy on the Senate Homeland Security Committee in Washington saying that they were investigating this for terrorism to the water system of Lee County. Next day they arrested this guy whose name was not Al, but Harvey Updike.

[Pablo Torre]

And just a day after announcing that the oak trees in Tumors Corner up.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

In Auburn were intentionally poisoned, police there.

[Paul Feinbaum]

Made an arrest in the case.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

62 year old Harvey Updike Jr. Was.

[Paul Feinbaum]

Taken into custody early this morning. I got to know him afterwards. I said, why did you do it? He said, I had to do it for Nick Saban. I couldn't, I couldn't let Scam Newton beat Nick Saban. And I guess he finally admitted, he said, I guess I just had too much Alabama in me. Anyway, he, he later spent time in the Lee County Penitentiary.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah. Sentenced to three years in prison. Pleaded guilty to criminal damage of an agricultural facility. And it would be one thing if it was the story of your show, if that was like the one thing people talked about. I think it was the next year when, when a gentleman named Smokey calls you and he has a predicament.

[Paul Feinbaum]

Well, I mean, you've been in radio studios often and you have the name of the person and what they want to talk about. And I kept looking down and it said, Smokey in the er. And I, it just didn't quite register what that meant. Finally, after about 30 minutes, I, I hit Smokey and I said, smokey, what's going on? And he said, paul, I just want to tell you how much I love you.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

I mean, I'm getting an EKG that said I've had a heart attack. Paul, I love your show. God for your show. You know what I'm saying? I love all your listeners. I'll end up being your best caller.

[Paul Feinbaum]

So, Smokey, are you telling me that you're listening to the show while you're having a heart attack?

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

Yes, I am. That's stupid. I know.

[Paul Feinbaum]

I said, so what's wrong? He said, I'm dying. I'm in the er. I said, is it serious? I mean, it's not a smart question, by the way. He said, he said, yes, I've already.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

Had five bypasses and two stance. I know I've had a heart attack.

[Paul Feinbaum]

Okay, but you wanted to call us while this is going on.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

Kind of a death wish.

[Paul Feinbaum]

Well, I'm glad you did. And certainly, Smokey, we wish you well at that point. I remember Howard Stern having a bit like this once and he asked for confirmation. I said, smokey, is it possible you could put a nurse on? I mean, I just wanted to confirm this guy wasn't just some quack tell.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

Her who you are. As Paul I'm a nurse in the ER at Trinity.

[Paul Feinbaum]

Okay. I'm speaking to a nurse right now at Trinity Hospital, right? She said, oh, yeah, I'm Jeannie Jones. I'm an LPN in the er. I said, is he really having a heart attack? She said, yes. You know, he's had six heart attacks on his chart. And I'm like going, has a Hippocratic oath not made it to the state of Alabama yet?

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

They told me I got to hang up the phone. I love you, Paul.

[Paul Feinbaum]

He survived. He did not die. And I wasn't really sure if I was happy or sad about that because it would have been a great final phone call.

[Pablo Torre]

But. Okay, hold on. What I'm finding out immediately is that Smokey still. Today is all right.

[Paul Feinbaum]

He's still around still. And I'm still milking that story on any podcast I can find.

[Pablo Torre]

Look, it's Smokey, it's Al, but really, Harvey, it's Phyllis from Mulga. I mean, Paul, like, these are characters that I like. I know. And of course Phyllis, God rest her soul, her call in 2017 about Jim Harbaugh is still seared into my brain.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

You ain't better than nobody. And don't you be after Paul. And don't you dare come down on the University of Alabama. I will eat your ass for lunch. And I can make that a promise.

[Paul Feinbaum]

Phyllis could have put out her own Christmas cd. And I say CD for a reason because Phillips is of the era of the eight track tape and the cd. She was amazing.

[Pablo Torre]

There's an aspect of your show, of course, that is both therapy, that is confessional booth, that is frankly, Occupy Wall street when it comes to just the populism taking control of what feels like a very top down bureaucracy. Otherwise. And in this scenario, like the person of course who has most grabbed my attention all season this season is a guy who goes by a single name, Legend.

[Paul Feinbaum]

My favorite three words during the football season on a Monday after a loss by Alabama. That's his team. Legend is next.

[Pablo Torre]

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[Legend (Gary Wilson)]

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[Paul Feinbaum]

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[Legend (Gary Wilson)]

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[Pablo Torre]

All right, so Legend, okay, you may recall legend from like 15 minutes ago, actually, because legend happens to be the caller whose analysis of a team coached by Nick Saban's replacement, Kaylin DeBoer. After losing to 55 Oklahoma earlier this season, Bama's third loss of said season was this.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

You know, Paul going from coach Saban to coach DeBoer. It's like going to bed, married to Beyonce and waking up with Whoopi Goldberg laying next to you, brother.

[Pablo Torre]

So the first thing I wanted to find out about Legend was simple. Do you ever call Legend his real name, Paul?

[Paul Feinbaum]

No, I believe his real name is.

[Pablo Torre]

Gary and it is Gary Wilson, it turns out, who has otherwise been working all sorts of jobs in Birmingham, Alabama. And so I decided that I should probably call up Gary myself.

[Legend (Gary Wilson)]

Hey, bro, can you hear me?

[Pablo Torre]

I can hear you. I can see you. I can. Are you always wearing the glasses when you do this, when you make calls, when you, when you talk, or is this just for me?

[Legend (Gary Wilson)]

Yeah, I always wear them. I have like a little eye problem I've had since I was a kid. Anytime I'm in a bright room, I kind of have to wear some glasses. Kind of like Jim McMahon got the Jim McMahon syndrome, you know?

[Pablo Torre]

What's your day job?

[Legend (Gary Wilson)]

My day job is I work at a steakhouse. A few years ago I was working construction. I had worked construction for 20 years. About two years ago on a construction site, I was working on an exhaust fan when a restraining bar broke and shattered my front grill. Shattered it. I still can't have a conversation with any of my partials in the front. So I'm toothless in Alabama this morning for one reason, brother. On this show, because I love Paul Feinbaum. That friggin buzz that I'd come on two flips from Alabama to tell folks how much I love this man. This man has given.

[Pablo Torre]

Paul, when did you realize how long did it take you to realize that Legend was gonna be one of these special callers? Maybe even special in a way that no one could quite replicate?

[Paul Feinbaum]

After that aforementioned Vanderbilt game, he unloaded on the coaching staff, Paul.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

I meant sports hell, brother. I'm in sports hell. I never thought I would other these words. Andy is my daddy.

[Paul Feinbaum]

The call went viral.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

Let me tell you how pissed I am. Paul. Can I tell you, brother, I wish you would.

[Paul Feinbaum]

Go right ahead.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

My neighbor gave me a picture of Coach Devore last Thursday. A signed picture, 8 by 12 in a frame. And I put it in the fire pit Saturday night.

[Paul Feinbaum]

You burned it.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

You don't lose the Vanderbilt. That's the ugliest little sister on the block. You don't lose the Vanderbilt. The honeymoon's over and we need some damn marriage counseling. Legend has left the damn building.

[Pablo Torre]

When did sports radio become a thing that you knew you would enjoy?

[Legend (Gary Wilson)]

2008. I'm riding down the road. I'm listening to rock radio in Birmingham. And you know, it was just sucking. So I got flipping through the dial and came across somebody talking. It was Tim Brando talking to Fine.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

Bob, you made some crazy statements this year concerning Alabama.

[Paul Feinbaum]

That sounds like a beat down, Tim.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

And I just wondered if you'd be willing to admit now that you were wrong concerning several statements that you made over the last year.

[Legend (Gary Wilson)]

But he was talking how Alabama should keep Mark Godfrey. And I said to myself, well, that's the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. So just off the top of my head, I told the guy that picked up the phone. I said, I'm the legend and I want to talk to that moron Tim Brando about Mark Godfrey. They sent me through that day, and it went viral that day. Me attacking Brando and telling him what an idiot he was for wanting to keep Mark Godfrey.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

You know what the funniest moment of this football season was to me, Tim? A Brando is when they came to you at the halftime of the Ole Miss Alabama game and you realized that Alabama was kicking the fire out of your Ole Miss Rebels. It looked like somebody had hit you in the face with a big mouth bath.

[Legend (Gary Wilson)]

And that's how the legend was born, ladies and gentlemen. Blame Paul Fine Bomb. He's the reason for this monster.

[Pablo Torre]

But there is something else that I needed to clarify about Legend Gary that is critical to understanding the broader Feinbaum community of callers and also how it is mathematically even possible that college football is the second most popular sport in the United States, right behind the NFL and easily the most unhinged, which is that Legend never actually attended the University of Alabama.

[Legend (Gary Wilson)]

Well, I was born in Annapolis, Maryland. My father was from Alabama. And it's pouring down rain outside. I hope it don't start leaking here in the little ledger cave. My father was from Alabama. He was in the military. My mama was from Maryland. We spent the first 10 years of my life right outside of Baltimore, Maryland, and Glen Burnie, Maryland, and Rivera Beach, Maryland. So I grew up in a sports fanatic family in Maryland. But the whole time, my father's influence of Alabama. My first rattler was an Alabama roadside rattler. My first words were road tide, not daddy, but row tide. That was my first words.

[Pablo Torre]

All of which qualifies Legend, according to his own personal estimation for a very special form of office. A leadership position in a truly startlingly enormous community. And it's the kind of office that by definition, you cannot pay for.

[Legend (Gary Wilson)]

I'm president of the Sidewalk Alumni, you know, and a lot of good people with diplomas love me. But there's a lot of people in Alabama don't like the legend. I am that fan that the administration don't want to talk about. The one that never went to school, that never got a diploma and never been in class. You know, how dare him talk with the old Obama Christian Char. And they don't like that because they think, you know, that old fan, Sidewalk Alumni fan. He's stupid. The only thing he knows about his flag football. He don't know nothing about football. Shut up.

[Paul Feinbaum]

I can make it really simple. Legend is the president of the Sidewalk Alumni and your colleague Joe Scarborough is the president of the upper crust elite Alabama Alumni. I love Joe, but I gravitate more toward the sidewalk. That's, that's what I do. You know, some of them have been to Tuscaloosa. Some of them have actually even been to an Alabama game. But that doesn't matter to me because those folks have always needed representation. I think, I think you can look at, you can bring a political scientist in here and this is really where the country is. And I think we have heard in elections that they're not being paid attention to. And I really believe that we give them a voice. And you know, it may make the athletic directors and the chancellors and the, the bow tied crowd in the ivory towers uncomfortable, but I really don't care.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

I can say whatever the hell I want to. I work my ass off. Today I might have made $120. Don't you agree? I could say whatever the Hell, I want to. About somebody that makes $10 billion a year. Wouldn't you agree with that, brother Legend?

[Paul Feinbaum]

If somebody told me we can't allow that, it will. It would be my last day here.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

Hell, yeah. We can say whatever the hell we want to say. And I got a few things to say.

[Pablo Torre]

It's an unbelievable asset to hear from a guy like Legend what he did after Tennessee, after Alabama loses to Tennessee.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

You know, they say that a team takes on the personality of their coach. Well, our team is undisciplined and soft. And no doubt you, Coach DeBoer, are undisciplined and soft. Strike frigate, dude, man. Strike frigate, too. We about to go to the Birmingham Bowl. I ain't left the building. I've kicked the damn door down. Cause I'm pissed off at this crap. This ain't Alabama football. And any Alabama fan that accepts it ain't a real damn fan.

[Paul Feinbaum]

Tony Kornheiser said this to me once, and I'll clean it up for this family podcast. He said, how come you talk to those effing people? And of course, he did it with the Long island accent. And you can't explain it. I mean, Tony, you don't have to talk to them. You pontificate. Used to have a show in Washington where you got James Carville and all these muckety mucks around the table, and then you sit around with Wilbon and opine for 30 minutes and don't laugh. I saw you co hosting that show yesterday.

[Pablo Torre]

Guilty. The Ivory Tower still has a nice padded cushion in my seat.

[Paul Feinbaum]

Yeah, I love it. And I feel like whenever they take me away, I hear the barbarians at the gate right this moment. That will be my legacy. It won't be yelling at Stephen A. Smith or Greenber or. Or anyone else who will be that.

[Pablo Torre]

No, you will be forever. The guy who brought me the caller who said that losing to Oklahoma was like going to bed with Beyonce and waking up next to Whoopi Goldberg.

[Paul Feinbaum]

I. I thought that was the line of the year. And I was not surprised at all that the next morning on espn, they edited that out, knowing that. That Whoopi was probably watching. And I think she's employed by the.

[Pablo Torre]

By the larger. The larger. The larger family of networks.

[Paul Feinbaum]

I think.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

I think.

[Paul Feinbaum]

I think the View should have had. Should have both of us on after this is published. And let us let the group hear that call.

[Pablo Torre]

I concur in terms of just the callers and their own views of themselves. You know, I was talking to Legend, and Legend wanted to be very clear about this, he said, I am not Harvey Updike. Harvey Updike is a criminal. That's not me.

[Legend (Gary Wilson)]

It's not a performance. I'm a fanatic in the sports world. I'm not a criminal. I'm a fanatic. There's a difference. A criminal poisons trees, hurts other people. A fanatic might cuss his coach out, might cuss the quarterback out, might cuss the general manager out, the owner. That's what a fanatic is. But he's doing all that and the fact that he loves his team.

[Pablo Torre]

And of course, in my mind, I immediately went to, of course, Legend's own past.

[Paul Feinbaum]

Well, I knew there was a story behind Legend. Legend was part of a group called Sons of Sabin. Sounds like one of those groups in New York that go around and keep the law.

[Pablo Torre]

That's right.

[Paul Feinbaum]

So we had lunch and I said, legend, what's the deal? I know you've alluded to your past. And he looked at me, he said, there's nothing to run away from. He said, I've been to prison. I said, okay. Couldn't really counter that by saying, well, so have I. I said, what were you in for? He said, murder.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

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[Pablo Torre]

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[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

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[Pablo Torre]

On paper, it is grizzly, right? I mean, what we're talking about with Legend is a story of him when he's 17 years old. It's Winston county, it's northwest Alabama. The argument with his cousin over a girl.

[Legend (Gary Wilson)]

I believe he also mentioned we were distant cousins. You know, we grew up in a little town where there wasn't but 30 people in the whole town. You know, we grew up around each other all of our lives. And then when we got up to about 17, you know, I was already deep in the drugs, you know. And so when we got to that age, we got into a fight over a young lady. And it escalated from the fight over the young lady and to the incident that happened, you know, but we.

[Pablo Torre]

And he goes to his father's gun cabinet. His dad's out, his dad apparently working in the coal mine. It's a.22 rifle. And he takes his cousin out to the woods and he shoots Randy Barton, also 17, twice in the back of the head.

[Legend (Gary Wilson)]

When I was 17 years old, I took a young man's life. Another 17 year old young man. It was an act of a coward. Anybody that takes a gun and takes a life is committing an act of cowardice. You know, God gave you a brain and we ought to be able to use it. I killed a man, destroyed his life. I threw my life away as a young man. I destroyed many families associated. It was a horrible, horrible thing. I'm very ashamed of it. I faced the electric chair for 18 months. And at the time in the state of Alabama, Charles Graddick was running for governor. He was the attorney general of the state of Alabama and he wanted to lock everybody up and throw away the key. I'm Charlie Graddick.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

For vicious killings like this, it's been proven that capital punishment can be an effective deterrent.

[Legend (Gary Wilson)]

That was his big commercial. So they were going to intently, they was going to make an example of me. They was intended to give me the electric chair for 18 months. From 17 till I was 18, I faced the possibility of going to what they call the big yellow mama in Alabama. And it looked for a while like that is what would happen. And then we went to court and my lawyer worked out a deal for a life sentence with the possibility of parole. And we went that route, realizing how young I was, that, you know, there was. It wasn't guaranteed, but there was a possibility that I would get another chance in society, you know, and I'm so thankful for it.

[Paul Feinbaum]

That day at lunch when he was telling me the story, I said, so what, what exactly do you do, Edge? And he said, I'm an electrician. He said, and by the way, if you or your wife ever need any. And I started thinking, maybe I gotta get to know this guy a little bit better. But today I would give him the keys to my house.

[Pablo Torre]

You believe that this guy who had served his time, who has come out and gotten to know you over the airwaves and apparently in person, that he is in fact rehabilitated? That is not a question to you 100%?

[Paul Feinbaum]

Not only that, Pablo, I mean, he's a genuinely good person. He helps a lot of people. And I think a lot of people hear him on the show. Plenty of people have had problems, as you well know, and they go, I can. I'll try to say this with a straight face. I can be legend. I mean, he is. He's a personification of what our show is all about. A guy that probably should be dead, but now he's a. He's a famous, fine bomb caller.

[Legend (Gary Wilson)]

You know, I spent 15 years in prison, 15 hard years in prison. It was a rough life. And when I came out, I was determined to make it. When I came out.

[Pablo Torre]

Paul, you say you don't know the story of actually how legend got the name legend.

[Paul Feinbaum]

I don't.

[Legend (Gary Wilson)]

The first few years I was out of prison, I traveled the country as an evangelist, preaching the gospel and sharing the goodness of what the Lord had done in my life. And when I would go to different churches across the country because I had been in prison, one of the things they would do is have me go into the prisons and preach in the area. So I was in Defuniak Springs, Florida, preaching at a big church. And they had me go down to the prison one Sunday night and preach at a minimum security prison. And I preached there that night. And over a hundred men came to know the Lord. And as I was leaving the prison, an inmate was running behind me saying, that guy is a legend. That guy is a legend. He's a legend and preacher that had brought me in with him. He picked it up and he started calling me Legend that day. And before I knew it, everybody around me was calling me legendary.

[Pablo Torre]

And that's. That's how it happened.

[Paul Feinbaum]

That's legendary.

[Pablo Torre]

He had mentioned. I don't know if you remember this, but there was a moment, I guess about a year and a half ago. I believe it was a school shooting of some kind. The first emergency calls coming Tuesday morning, and they were horrific. An active shooter at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas. And he said that this was the thing that made him want to go and actually take his act, so to speak out on the road to these. To these prisons.

[Paul Feinbaum]

Oh, he gave an impassioned speech that day on. On our program, Pablo.

[Legend (Gary Wilson)]

They think, hey, life is crazy. I might be in sports, but in real life, it's serious. Real life is different than sports. And in real life, put the guns down. Put them down.

[Paul Feinbaum]

Somebody called in off the air and said that they were thinking about killing someone that day. It was a guy, I think it was in Philadelphia that he'd had some run in with a guy down the street and he had already. He'd gone back to get his gun. And somehow he thought of what Legend had said.

[Legend (Gary Wilson)]

I grew up in a house, you know, watching my grandfather throw the remote at the television, cuss the tv. You know, I grew up in that kind of house, you know what I'm saying? But thanks to Paul and that therapy that I get each day, I managed to move on.

[Pablo Torre]

It does feel like Paul is giving out a kind of medication.

[Legend (Gary Wilson)]

We are the castaways. We are the throwaway fans. We are the fans that nobody says, I'm not Kansa, one of them fine bomb callers. You know what I'm saying? I'm fine, Bob.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

Callers are crazy.

[Legend (Gary Wilson)]

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[Paul Feinbaum]

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[Legend (Gary Wilson)]

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[Pablo Torre]

New season, new chaos in college football.

[Paul Feinbaum]

Big stage, big opportunity.

[Pablo Torre]

This Labor Day weekend, wildness lives on ABC, ESPN and the all new ESPN app.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

What a way to start.

[Pablo Torre]

Featuring top 10 teams like Clemson, Notre.

[Legend (Gary Wilson)]

Dame, Alabama and LSU.

[Pablo Torre]

And Bill Belichick's debut at North Carolina.

[Paul Feinbaum]

It's so special. These teams collide.

[Pablo Torre]

Don't miss a lineup filled with electric matchups.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

And welcome back to College Football Kickoff.

[Pablo Torre]

Week, presented by Modelo Labor Day Weekend on ESPN and abc. Also available to stream on the Allne app. Legend Now. Okay, his mission now, right? He has a couple of missions. Crusades for the good in life. He also wants to fire Kaylin to Boar.

[Paul Feinbaum]

Yeah, well, I mean, let's. Let's forget saving mankind. Let's get to the important things right now. Kayewin. Deborah, I'll have to keep reminding the audience is the man who replaced Nick Saban.

[Pablo Torre]

Paul, I don't know if you could even begin to disagree with my assessment here. That stuff is what makes the job itself at times so hard, isn't it? The idea that this is a hot seat and the, the, the fire underneath. You can tune in and listen to it every time you put on the fine bomb show.

[Paul Feinbaum]

To me, it's the part of the job that probably is the most interesting and challenging. And by the way, I mean, we just went through 17 years with Nick Saban, and a week ago, I don't know if you saw, he was on the McAfee show and he was defending DeBoer, and he talked about how he never paid attention to the media, and he proceeded to identify me. We got criticized every time we lost a game. I don't know how many times I heard Paul Feinbaum say, this is the.

[Caller (Various, including Smokey and Phyllis)]

Beginning of the end.

[Paul Feinbaum]

I mean, but it never was. But you said it a lot. I always like it when a guy mentions your name in terms of. I never listened to him. But the point was, of course he listened. But we never really had. We may have had six Mondays in 17 years where there was really. I mean, we would criticize Saban for losing the national championship. That's how difficult it was to find something to say about it. DeBoer took care of it by the first weekend in October.

[Pablo Torre]

But the influence is obvious to everybody, I think, who spends a couple minutes listening to the people that, that listen to you. And when I listen to Legend talk about what this particular holiday season is going to be like, Paul, I mean, let's just say it bluntly. This is a weird Christmas.

[Paul Feinbaum]

Yeah. Yeah. If you're an Alabama fan, it's Scrooge City. I mean, there's nothing, there's nothing to be happy about. Alabama is going to the ReliaQuest Bowl.

[Pablo Torre]

Yes. Against a 75 Michigan team.

[Paul Feinbaum]

If you go back to 2009, I mean, Alabama has practically either played for the national championship or been in the playoffs all but two or three years. And this year it feels very empty.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, Legend for the record here, offered me his ticket to the Reliaquest Bowl.

[Legend (Gary Wilson)]

You can have my tickets, brother. Listen, if it ain't for Champ. No, no offense. You know, a lot of Alabama fans say, oh good, more legend. We pull for Alabama in every game. Let me ask you something. If the Yankees are out of the playoffs, do they care about an exhibition game with the Toronto Blue Jays? I don't care.

[Paul Feinbaum]

Something tells me that you will not be there on New Year's Eve.

[Pablo Torre]

I, I, I hesitate to leave the ivory tower for the Relia Quest Bowl.

[Paul Feinbaum]

Don't do it. You don't, you don't want, you don't want to be seen there.

[Pablo Torre]

No. No. God, no. And so the question becomes ahead of Christmas now, what do you want for Christmas, Paul Feinbomb? What do you hope for your audience?

[Paul Feinbaum]

I tell you what. I, I, I, I just thought of this and I don't know, I think Legend is currently unattached. I can't do any better than Legend in my career, which is starting to creep toward. It's late autumn, okay? It's wintertime.

[Pablo Torre]

The leaves are rustling. Paul, the leaves are still rustling.

[Paul Feinbaum]

I just had this, I've never thought, I have this idea that Legend gets married again. I don't care if he gets married or not, has a child and produces the next generation's legend. Can you imagine 20 years from now some guy sitting where I'm sitting 25 years from now, 30 years from now and going, Legend Jr. Is next.

[Pablo Torre]

Paul, it's such a beautiful sentiment. And it may not surprise you to learn that when I asked Legend this same question, he said this, man, I.

[Legend (Gary Wilson)]

Tell you the truth, man, what I wish would show up under the Christmas tree was a 40 year old nick Saban ready to go back to work at the University of Alabama, baby. That's what I wish would show up under my Christmas tree. Yes, a 40 year old nick Saban ready to go kick some butt and lead this university and this program back to where it belongs. The mountaintop. The mountaintop. We're in the gutter this morning, Deborah. No playoffs for us. Playoffs. Come on, man, Are you kidding me? Give me a 40 year old nick Saban ready to go back to work. That would be the greatest Christmas ever.

[Pablo Torre]

So, Paul Feinbaum, thank you for introducing me to your community and happy holidays.

[Paul Feinbaum]

Thank you. It's been a great pleasure. Pablo.

[Pablo Torre]

This has been Pablo Torre finds out. A Meadowlark Media production. And I'll talk to you next time, Sam.